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This is a pull out of 5 on Dawson at a barn coming up in this hour of the program in a moment we'll see we'll bring you the latest from California 24 hours on from the shooting story that we told you about last night as it was still an ongoing incident will have the latest from there is news of what exactly happened at the garlic festival in Gilroy Northern California emerges also what's been on the spike in the tiger population in India one of the conservation is done right there that is seen increasing numbers of his image and also the Tigers still an endangered species we'll hear about the video of an Indian family who checked into a hotel room and left with as much of the room as they could get there and zone and we will bring you news of the option that is simply out of this world well yes I think that's a way of putting it it's a metaphor you know what I mean is good story though to. Says Richard not true story we 1st brought to you an awful night last night 3 people have been. Killed one of them a 6 year old boy and 15 others injured after a gunman attacked a food festival in California the gunman was shot dead by police shortly after he began firing over police are investigating reports that a 2nd suspect may still be at large the attack happened at the annual garlic festival in the small town of Gilroy which is about 80 miles south of San Francisco the annual event was taken place in a local park where according to the festival's website weapons of any kind of ban the eyewitness told C.B.S. News what he saw on the right by. Her right and then you hearing at the time that it was a private that it broke the 50 yards from where we were police say officers were already on sites in responded to the shooting in less than a minute has the Police Chief Scott Smith the it appears as if though they had come into the festival via the creek which borders a parking area. And they use some sort of a tool to cut through the fence to be able to gain access through the secure fence line. The governor of California is described as shooting is nothing short to fear ific the U.S. President dawdle Charles 2 you should about the incident to be careful and safe Brianna sags who's a reporter for Buzz Feed in California who's been following events as you know what the reaction has been in the state a chunky A and those Another shooting in California and it be said was So it's you know it's just one of those things that same type of reaction from the community that talking this happened here at a garlic festival that's you know so family friendly and same as if the judges had similar type of shock and horror and frustration I vision some of the people who with and were close to what happened pretty much in shock what they've been saying that as to what they saw. Well I I thought you know why but you know it's a lot of people you know it's a huge festival this as I said very famous the Egypt dominate was the last day of the festival was really just kind of. Closing down so people were just wandering around and joining us they can then that you know it's it's out of like fireworks we're going off and all decided people started running and. They you know people said that they they saw a gun the kind of dressed in camouflage shooting into a large crowd of people 5 E.F. 2 clear can be music stage shows indiscriminate shooting. Yes starting randomly and to a strong of people that you know I spoke to the thing that had just been playing their last encores following up to damn their classic rock band from San Jose which is about 30 miles away and they were playing their ass off and they said they heard the shooting and that I thought Mick was shooting it to you know a curfew 100 people by the paper and the stage in front of that or that the stage they were on front of them and 3 people died as a result of the shooting 3 people did to the children. Correct so 3 people the victims were all young. One who was a 6 year old boy is. Was. And that there are identified later on today I'm a 30 year old girl and her. Her name it was came out and then a college that one of its graduates Trevor Irby was also a victim and he was I think in his twenty's is what the police said earlier today what do we know about the shooter and the most who for this. We still don't know a motive you know we know that the shooter police said had been living in the vat of with family. Recently and asked how and where he bought the weapon which is in a case doubt it could very different styles. Is why slow and lot of details and if the data and I thought of it to California law again in the area and Jim would say after is well though as you know what the feds close that family has there there is there is one of the very accomplished athlete a boxer and they want to of like was you know a good student the father was also. A runner and that they're just you know as a a solid family in the community and and killed right on the sheet he was 19 years old. Correct yes he was 19 it was a lot and the. Shooting happened very quickly you know it was the attack was kind of over maybe a minute or so. After it started up 3 please officers engage the suspect and. You know it took him down all the other quickly so police are crediting those officers response with you know it could have been a lot lot worse when one minute the police on duty that had chills him. Yet they engage the suspect they had pinned down and within a minute you know they will patrolling the festivals the suspect the student God made it through a creek area is the back like using cutters to cut the fat so that's how they missed him because it was awesome through these areas it was you know they. Were officers on hand he says that wasn't like there was lax security or anything he stuck in. And the authorities that. Reaction saved lives can imagine that how many people were injured the 3 people killed how many people are injured Yes about 15 others were injured in a few been released today from hospital to area hospitals and their injuries injuries Berry range from fair to put a call. And the organizes of the citizen who everybody is is in shock as I said the 1st of all it's like it's just a huge summer of and attract you know hundreds and hundreds that under the people from all over in order California and so you know they're there in force all right in the chest thinking that this family pops family focus. So like that of things you know people from all over it are tougher to try to do something like this but it's the save my hedge of resiliency is that you know they won't let this this person really is your credit. Record So you know there it is their value you don't have it again next year and that you did not let this to be something that is the report is it fair Brianna Sachs There are reports for Buzz Feed birds thing California some good news now out of India which is home to nearly 3000 tigers Well that still do tiny fraction of the number of charges he roamed across India in the last century it does represent a rapid growth in the target population over the last 5 years India's net is to Maiti to be home to around 70 percent of the world's Tigers prime minister rendered Modi be present in the findings on Monday said India is now one of the biggest and most secure habitats of the taiga Well let's cross live to Delhi in speed to billin the right she's the executive director of the Wildlife Protection Society of India Belinda this is really good news isn't it is it's amazing how they do and I'm staggered Well you know it's really it is sort of positive results that have come out of a conservation investment for over $45.00 is and I think I think the key to it is that we now have and this is I mean then the increase is quite recent We now have 50 Tigers of covering in covering an area of over 71000 square kilometers so what we've gotten is is sort of this these critical Taika habitats which is safe now for tigers so they're multiplying they're breeding they take is a. You know they're very resilient and so on but football. Meeting they need a bit of space and everything else right and I think that's what's happened and they're also spilling out of some of these areas so you know there are still problems that is still poaching but amazingly these wonderful animals are. Doing while and that's why we have been the count last half and in 2014 there were 2226 Tigers but the figure from 2018 show there 90009 $167.00 which is an increase of words about 30 percent increase the $33.00. Level mathematics I was doing. I didn't use a calculator. I mean is it safe to say that the tiger is not an endangered species any movement Oh no I mean India has you know 70 percent of the world's tight and you don't want all your eggs in one basket. But. No And we have a big problem still here we still lose about 100 tigers to coaching every year and you know despite what the honorable prime minister says. None of us are convinced that we have genuine genuine political will to secure a future for while tigers in India you know is our environmental laws quietly being weakened and we have a lot of. What you call it Linnean for infrastructure intrusions So every time a dam is needed or a highway or a can that arrow or a new railway track or worst of all power lines it's put through critical wildlife habitat did you do Indians principally those people who live in those areas close to the tiger habitat do do they see tigers as an asset. Well some do where there's tourism then yes they see it as an asset and and remember people you know worship the tiger they've lived in the local people have lived close to wild tigers. You know since the beginning of time but things are changing India is changing so you know people have access to mobile phones to television and so on so they're not as tolerant as as certainly that as tolerant as they used to be and the other problem big problem which is I think you know conservationists conservations biggest challenge everywhere not just India is is human wildlife conflict it's really it's getting to a tipping point in India where we've seen some ghastly things happen in the last few weeks you know tigers being lynched you know beaten to death literally and that goes back to these linear ancients because every time you mess with the habitat and you destroy it in fragmented You know it it it it fuels. Conflict because the animals move away move out of the the protected areas. So if they're in the domain there except they go beyond them in oh yeah I suppose humans have to present themselves as well we are still talking of course the dangers of cars here but you know. Don't we shouldn't actually be talking about tigers The point is we need these forests you know we need them to mitigate climate change protect our sources of water give us rain and fresh air the Tigers are just the guardians of those forests and all the animals and plants that live in their domain and if we don't you know if they if the government doesn't do a strictly hands off. You know is no further the notifications only new infrastructure to Jand you know we're in trouble in these A. Country of 1400000000 people and there's a tiny part of it which has this fabulous habitat and of course a fabulous animal but but we need those forests. We places to live is rugged You know I mean if the population continues to be then would you do something is not to give it some point and yes not just in India by the way yeah but it can't be that because otherwise it will die I mean it's I mean I'm living it unfortunately might my head offices here in Delhi and then many months. Where you have to wear the quadrant of gas masks I mean the pollution is dreadful in the west this time I'm I mean heavenly places but not not here. So what would you have observed so it's a cable in the woods you know then we'll be because we're we varied of although you haven't ever see very far and it's a big it is a wider picture to this but what do you hope the future of China is in India will be well I hope that we'll be able to to offer a future generations the possibility to get to get to know to see these absolutely gorgeous go plucking creatures I mean I've spent over 45 years working with wild tigers and I still get tears in my eyes when I when I'm watching one and it would be just gosh future generations would never forgive us if if you and I and everybody let them slip through our fingers they just wouldn't I did burst into tears once when I read a poem on air about. About the Tigers disappearing from there yeah it is heartbreaking because they are beautiful creatures absolutely beautiful. Joy you get from being so close well so one thing we should know about tigers bilin is one thing we should all know about tigers. Just that they're probably the most magnificent things on this planet because unlike other big cats like lions they don't going Pryke this solitary except for when they're mating or bringing up the family. And so they hate this super paintings you know they have to be absolutely perfect and fit and everything because they they're survivors and they're there. You know the they don't they can't rely on anybody else but themselves and I really find that awesome. When you just see one or call kill anything it's just extraordinary that they're the most perfect I hate 6 a machines but for a living things and it is a remarkable that they've been able to help so many tigers I mean the 4th time this has happened but it's a it's a it's an incredible thing I mean it's they covered during this record it a tiger estimation not a census $104.00 over 147000 square miles of tiger range and they surveyed it in detail incredible is there we're going to have to leave it there before thank you very much Minister thank you Karen hopes a bill in the right there she's the executive director of the world live Protection Society of India Tandon with us in Calcutta enough to tell us the remarkable story the role has gone viral. I have and what appropriately gotten and even the Taliban's club which was once run by Belinda right. Father Bob Wright the man he is and way she grow up and get this life Bill to tell the gunge club it was swamps that was marshland and partly there was a few tigers that roaming around here but the conversation this morning about that it's about this video of an Indian couple or an Indian family on holiday in Bali that has gone viral because in the video they are confronted as they be keeping by the hotels that you then go to their luggage and I'm like maybe me I don't know about you Dalton who just pinch a few of those costs met takes this shampoo 6 after they've taken it a little bit they had the head dry as some of the plant Paltz hang is basically everything that they could find in that room let's hear a little bit from that video I didn't see it. Holding a bit of a little I am not a little man you know you hold out of my life I know you have a lot a lot in Germany I mean face this is the respect souls go to. Their lives so the other 90 daily. Who are you know who just a. Little bit late so for it's a prairie perhaps. It is and it's you know it started quite a debate here in India the person who actually posted that video initially I called on the government to cancel they have passports for bringing the whole country into absolute disgrace but it's founded 2 different debates Firstly what is it acceptable to take from a hotel room doctor and I mean what why are you allowed to tell because you know you're paying for the bill of the cost medics you know except simple once you go past that and stop pinching the towels I mean it's your home full of little bottles like mine is from various hotels from across the well. You know I think the cosmetic. You know work with my skin and scratch you must leave all that stuff behind and I try to use one towel the old Sama you know if I'm there for weeks and weeks and weeks I don't use a towel once and dump it away they make money on me that sells it make proper money on me. Well that's one debate they did people having at the moment the other one is the behavior of Indian tourist abroad I mean recently a hotel in Switzerland which had a lot of tourists coming through had 2 sets of rules one for tourists generally and another one they felt was needed for the Indian tourist because of their behavior in the past the Indian government has even considered setting up classes so that people understand some of the cultural norms that may be different in that part of the world that Indians now with a huge amount of cash that some of them have and now traveling to it's an issue that I've been speaking to with one of the Indians leading columnist. I don't know when Indians go abroad they think at all about how it reflects on their country. To get you the most bang for their buck you know you have to remember when Indians are travelling abroad especially in the West in this they are converted from dollars or euros to rupees and so they really feel that they must make the most of whatever they can give even if it's all the free so little packets of sugar on display and I have to say yes full disclosure you know I think my mother's cabinet is filled with soaps from Patel's from all over the world but that the soap is your right as is the little sashay of shampoo they have been stories of Indian stealing cutlery from hotels and all of that it does reflect badly on the country just on the Swiss hotel for people who haven't. They basically issued a separate set of rules. To be yeah basically it's a case of separate and unequal where they singled out Indians for their bad behavior in terms of what they took at the buffet table basically they accused Indians of buying stuff from the table and taking it back with them to eat for lunch as well as talking really loudly in the car doors but you know this is an issue even in India people do. All the time and so even in an Indian hotel in India there are lots of Indians annoyed at other Indians for talking loudly or having their children run like a. Dining room and all of that I feel years ago I think it was an idea of setting up training classes for Indian tourists when they went abroad. I think that's a perfectly good idea as long as we have training classes but Western tourism to come to India and to traverse poverty porn. So there we go there are strong feelings on that here in India you know about the way that people come to India and they behave but sadly at this particular point in time a lot of focus on Indian tourists and what they're pinching from hotel not the 1st time this has been in the news data may quickly a few years ago there was a man who used to check into hotels see the size of the T.V. Buy a suitcase pop them in there and check out. And also when I heard the thing you're proud you know when you mention food about the bar for me to bulldog open tomorrow from the bar for you before and I still feel guilty about it. Thank you very much. And it's good. Headlines now has pulled. From digital B.B.C. So it's small street and. Find. 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Sport This is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live on digital B.B.C. Sound small speaker Hello good morning to what we turn our attention towards the southwest of the U.K. We're in and seasonally low pressure system for the time it will spin up and move across the country over the next few days and will indeed be the focus of our weather for much of this week strong winds of the time of year scattered heavy downpours may cause some disruption in places his local flooding possible the chance of wind damage particularly to trees to today's expected start when the plenty of heavy showers and the rebels across southwestern Wales and the selfless middle. 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Radio 5 Live from the home of today from one to 5 Longleaf East Asians know from digital B.B.C. Sound it's a small street and online days is a V.C. Grady a fine line if the prime minister will be Wales late it's a day where he's expected to tell farmers who will be better off after the brags because the U.K. Can sign new trade deals. Burs Johnson has promised to go the extra mile to secure the Briggs deal he was speaking on a visit Santa Maria where he held talks of the leader of the Scottish conservatives Ruth Davidson and the 1st minister Nicholas sturgeon while Reeves Davidson has made it clear that she won't support the U.K. Leaving the European Union without a deal she described the talks is incredibly constructive saying she received the assurances from Mr Johnson that she was looking for I said I wanted to see the same level of energy and vigor that's going into no deal planning going into trying to get a deal I wanted to see the sort of shuttle diplomacy that's going to be required if we're going to see changes that can be brought back to the House of Commons and I received assurances that I was looking for Nicholas sturgeon meanwhile has accused Mrs Johnson of trying to bring about what she calls a dangerous no deal breaker despite the prime minister's assurances that there was a good chance he would get an agreement before the end of October misjudging said she believed the government was nagged to really pursuing a no deal breaks his strategy I think that is extremely dangerous for Scotland indeed for the whole of the UKI we nor from the work we've done the impact that would have on jobs on the economy on our universities on almost every aspect of society in Scotland and I think it's incumbent on all of us who think that that is their own no come to do everything we possibly can to block it who Gallagher of the I knew who told me how they're covering the story this morning Scott in size by against Johnson is the simple splash headline in the F.B.I. Today he's been in Glasgow and this is real divide emerging between Scotland and England especially among the conservatives over direction of U.K. Policy when it comes to their opinion of course him at the 1st minister 1st Nicholas sturgeon sees promise to step up Scotland's planning for a no deal Siddharta becoming convinced that Boris Johnson secretly wants to leave the E.U. Without an agreement and speaking after a lengthy meeting with. The PM She claimed the U.K. Government was hiding its true intentions from the public not mincing words our 1st minister also told Mr Johnson she would soon formally request the power to hold a 2nd referendum on scholarship dependent so voters could choose a way out of a Bracks it now their discussions were described as lively and about the future of the Union during this 50 minute meeting at her official residence a few talents in Edinburgh as he pulled up in his official car Ascot and that the Crist Green was on hands of film the reaction of around $200.00 protesters gathered outside and it's fair to say they weren't cheering Burris Johnson's arrival more like booing and the hurling insults now as the talks themselves are concerned Mr Dinh said she had concluded from his comments during the meeting that he was not serious about seeking a fresh deal with the E.U. And was now actively to Syrian no deal strategy and she also revealed that you're in a very repast in her words debate on on Scottish independence your challenge to the prime minister to a live televised debate on the issue his officials actually intervene during the meeting to to shut down so no meeting of minds between the 1st Minister and the prime minister yesterday I'm sure the irony wasn't lost on your newspaper that of course Bose Johnson went north of the border to reassert our ancient ties between our countries and it seems you know unlike those couples ago and renew their marriage vows it seems likely actually the opposite was the conclusion that yes he's obviously this is just 24 hours after announcing this $300000000.00 pound package for strength in the union of course Boris Johnson and self appointed minister for the Union he's another title is a bit since entering Number 10 but of course. Just clashing with the S.N.P. Later of course having clashed over the last 24 hours with his colleague the Conservative leader Scottish Conservative leadership so Ruth Davidson Now they also had a meeting and while Mr Johnson heaped praise on her described as a fantastic politician who resigned of the party's fortunes in Scotland suggested he would ultimately overrule her on the whole issue of support for a no deal of course Ruth Davidson publicly saying that she could never support that and she was rather it isn't about commenting on their discussions after their meeting in in Glasgow yesterday were Nicholas Sturgeon was quick to comment on the nature frank nature of their talks with DE was and didn't didn't comment too much after the meeting a tall fact mentioning no making no mention of her opposition to the no deal outcome but instead said they were going to focus their efforts on renegotiating the withdrawal agreement with the other $27.00 E.U. Countries and of course accidental Boris Johnson's view as well and he said that during that meeting a 40 minute meeting 10 minutes shorter than he held a necklace sturgeon at the 2 Tory leader said they were united in wanting to reach a new agreement with Brussels of course the big divided line there is that while he is prepared to go down the no deal route if necessary rift over there said she could never countenance that and never support it why do you think he went north of the border why do you think Bruce Johnson went to school just days were within a week of his resume in the Premiership given that given the it was always going to be for him a bit he's genuinely worried about the future of the United Kingdom Of course the leader in the of the S.N.P. In the commons in Blackwood stood up and said that he it was his view on the 1st struggles 1st appearance in the Commons that it was in black for 3 that he was going to be the last prime minister of the United Kingdom there is a genuine concern that if as he's prepared to do to take the U.K. Out of the. Without a deal and that is of course Scotland voted 62 percent in favor of their man and that that could allow our surge of support for independence in Scotland and the surge in support for a full remain after removal is already well supported remain but a surge in support of a 2nd referendum on independence so it genuinely concerned about the future of the Union I think and that is a that was a key statement of intent to go there so early on in his premiership and to try and . Support the strengthen any kind of ties between across the United Kingdom because there are those genuine concerns there that of the effects of a no deal brackets and the potential breakup of the United Kingdom something that Boris Johnson certainly would not want to be part of his legacy is he treating brogues it is something of a game move chicken with the European Union in your article wheezes that he expects them to blink 1st Very much so if it's descended into this game as to who can blink 1st and he's confident he can make the E.U. Do that in striking the new Bret's it deal with just day just days before the deadline of 31st of October is engaging in the standoff with Brussels by refusing to hold face to face talks with E.U. Leaders until they drop their refusal to reopen the withdrawal agreement making of course a no deal but said more likely now in this trip to Scotland yesterday used apparently contradictory language during that visit when he struck an upbeat term on his chances of securing a new deal and said his government would go the extra 1000 miles to achieve it despite sticking to his refusal to engage in sit down talks with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and the French president Emmanuel macron and he's taking a much firmer line with the E.U. Than his predecessor trees amazed president visor only robins were seen by Brock's it is been too conciliatory towards. Source Now Mr Robins is replacement David trust he wrote an e-mail to his E.U. Counterparts last week warning them not to underestimate Mr Johnston in that e-mail which emerged yesterday he wrote you should be in no doubt about this government's commitment to the 31st of October date I would also add that many people are inclined to underestimate Boris Johnson and I urge you not to do so said many a time on this program doesn't. The whole sticking point for Boris Johnson and lady brought to tears is this Irish backstop what they want to see that taken out of the withdrawal agreement that would mean the whole of the rest of the E.U. Affecting the Solomon Island on the boss and nobody nobody can see that happening so it is a bit of a game now between who's going to blink 1st and I don't think it's going to be the pool got to go the I newspaper there now with interests in the Apollo 11 moon mission riding high there's been a renewed focus in recent weeks on Neil Armstrong the mission commander and of course the 1st man on the lunar surface Armstrong died after heart surgery in 20020 after the death of his 1st wife Janet a number of items of Armstrong's memorabilia have gone under the hammer and have netted it's believed almost 17000000 dollars for these sons from their 1st marriage Mark in regards John Robert poem and is the editor of collect SPACE dot com which is a Web site devoted to space memorabilia he's been telling me what sorts of items Rouge you know of the Armstrong family collection has included items that flew on his missions like United States flags and flags of other organizations. Special items like pieces of the in $1000.00 No 3 Wright Flyer the 1st powered aircraft Armstrong famously took some of that to the moon donated some back to museums and then kept the rest rooms also some of those pieces came up for auction there are also everyday items from his just normal life like magazines that he subscribed to or vinyl records that he listened to it was really a cross-section of both personal and. Space flight are effects. People were prepared to pay top dollar for some of these are terms. They did and and it's sort of a combination of both the value of the item itself anything that flies to the moon as you might end might guess. Carries quite a price tag to it not many items are available but from Neil Armstrong specifically he never sold anything during his lifetime and so this was the 1st opportunity for people to get something associated with the 1st person to walk on the moon I didn't even realize who not to tell you so many personal mementos with them to the moon does NASA know this and they accumulated all these masses of trinkets. Indeed they do they had something called the Personal preference kit it was a small pouch they carried several of them on board some state aboard the command module lunar orbit some landed on the moon on the lunar module and they could pack them with items that they wanted to take for themselves or their family or friends then there were other items that were they brought back from the moon that were part of the spacecraft and in 2012 the U.S. Congress and president signed into law affirming that the astronauts could hold title and therefore sell or or donate or keep those mementos that they brought back from the moon you mentioned in his live child knew Armstrong so very little if anything and am didn't commercialise as he could have done from his frame while he was alive he chose not to take part in memorabilia sales he did a couple of. Signings signing autographs for to support organizations that he supported but that was very early on he signed autographs freely for close to 30 years and then after he found that people were taking advantage of that basically asking for his autograph and then rushing it on to e-bay for sell he stopped signing in the in the mid 1990 S. . He knows he didn't realize that people commercializing on his own. He knew that there were some people selling his autograph but he didn't realize that the people would be asking him for his autograph and then rushing to sign to sell it it's different than having an autograph in your collection for 20 years and then deciding to sell it versus meeting the guy and 10 minutes later was doing it on for sale it also made it impossible for him to determine if the for example small child asking for his autograph was someone who generally wanted his autograph or was someone who was being pushed forward by their parents so they could get something they could sell on e Bay Why was he. To commercializing his experiences the 1st man to woman. It's difficult to say from what he said about it it just wasn't part of his personality. He didn't go to the moon to become famous he came back from the moon seeking to return to his normal life as an engineer he went back actually after he left NASA he became a professor at the University of Cincinnati and taught engineering for a number of years. So he didn't seek the spotlight and so he didn't see he didn't see his items or his memorabilia or his personality being something worth marketing. He also didn't put a lot of important story said he didn't put a lot of importance on on memorabilia and so it wasn't something that he concerned I'm selfless and I read that exempted that he was only the front man for he Judaization the people who put a lot behind game to the it was his position that he's his carroty on that shared by the other astronauts who went up with him Buzz Aldrin 1st of all and also Michael Collins who cools was the pilot of the space module. Yes all 3 of them and pretty much all the astronauts I wouldn't say there's not an exception to them all were 1st who all would firstly recognize the 400000 or so people that made their mission possible they were the tip of the spear the astronauts and received all the glory but they wouldn't be able to go and do what they did if it wasn't for those hundreds of thousands of people who made every piece of the rocket every piece of the spacecraft and not just made it but made it so that it works so they came home safely so they all helped at that position they've all spoken about it. But that but they've expressed their own. Their own personalities in their post astronaut lives as you would expect anyone else to do Have any of them shouldn't there memorabilia. They have both of or all 3 of Neil's crewmates Dave Scott on Gemini 8 and. Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins on Apollo 11 have sold memorabilia they are all still living and so many of the other astronauts since the early 1990 S. When the memorabilia market started the astronaut started to get approached by auction houses and by dealers to ask about do you have items that your children no longer want or that you don't want and that we can sell and so it began and so we had with it with a couple of exceptions most of the astronauts list items for sale from their personal collections there's still a few astronauts who have and have sort of filed the role that that Neil did but given that given that it's not unusual for as you know to some memorabilia Y.Y. Of these options of dunam Strongs possessions why or why they so controversial I don't know if I would use the word controversial but they do stand out because. Because Neil Armstrong as a singular figure in history is probably the only astronaut who really gained. A long standing name recognizability. The other astronauts are known and if you're a space enthusiasts you know all of them but in terms of who will be remembered in fact some people have said a 1000 years from now the only person of the 20th century that will be remembered is Neil Armstrong because he was the 1st to set foot on another on another celestial body that no one else. From that century will will stand the test of time and so given that position given that responsibility anything associated with him has always held a higher desire a higher demand. And then the other astronauts or other people around him when he would enter a room or people would seek out his autograph or or want to have their photo taken with him they would. The books that were written about him were read by more people than some of the other astronauts books. There was always a. Higher interest in him as the 1st person to set foot on the moon than just about anyone else you say you wouldn't describe it as controversial Robert Byrd. Knew Armstrong's sons the 2 sons who have essentially motivated these sales who were behind the mark and Rick and had to come out and defend their decisions to sell their father's possessions we've had other people come out and say well you know in his life he was totally against this is somewhat unseemly not least. His biographer. You might know James R. Hansen is coming he never did any of that and he's lived time has come out and said And of course knew Armstrong for those you know had 2 families in a way because his 1st wife divorced him. About 19 in the early 1990 S. And the marriage Carol. The 2nd wife 9094 and family have stood aloof of any of these cells and in that context it's no this is no these cells haven't been seen as acceptable by everybody. I think it's understandable I think there is I think that happens with a lot of families and that it's sort of amplified here because of the same that you know Armstrong ad but. There is there certainly certainly because Neil Armstrong did not sell anything during his lifetime the perception is that he did not want that he did not want to be involved whether he would be in support of his sons doing that. You know I can't speak to that but. But I think that he he put more and people less importance on the memorabilia and what happened to it than he did on what happened to his family so if there's some way else's family I think. He'd be in and he would at least not object to it but I can't put words in his mouth but I do what I can say is some of the objections have been that all these items should have went to an archive or 2 Museum and the National Space Museum the Smithsonian had the ability to go through the entire collection and identify pieces that they wanted before the auctions were even a saying there were other donations made to other museums around the country and world. The the truth of the matter is is that not everything is appropriate for a museum you know the you could say that a flag flown to the moon yes that but that a museum might want to display that in a magazine that he subscribed to that happened to arrive at his house and then he happened to hold onto his FOR want to look at that oh he's very real said to be from when he was a kid you know and a museum and you know well someone might you know some might put up a teddy bear if it's like there is an Armstrong and Space Museum that he actually donated items to in his lifetime but just every day items. You know his his membership card to a certain organization these are not pieces that are going to end up on display they'll end up in the archives. And in fact museums often sell items in their collection to fund displays and artifacts that they want to display so in this way the artifact of these pieces these nuts and bolts and less so of his his life and their collections where hopefully the enthusiastic buys it is someone who appreciates the history maybe it ends up going into into a classroom with the owner's child as a show and tell I don't and so new class gets to see it or maybe it gets displayed on a website for the collection or loan to a local library so in a way they do you know enter communities and get to get to be seen by more than just the owner but it's but not the type of items that would museum would would naturally seek out yeah these are always going to be this was always going to be a $1000000.00 SEO and perhaps exceeded expectations 16 point something $1000000.00 so far of the 4 oceans have been there's another one do you know John this year so we're not done with that figure will definitely go up was when the most expensive item. I believe the sold the most is a gold medallion it was one of 3 gold medallions that was aboard Apollo 11 it's called the robin's medallion after the company that minted it the robins medallions themselves hold a special place in. Space memorabilia and that they flew on every mission from a pulse 7 to today each each one. Representing the mission that they flew on the gold ones were particularly special because they were only available to the astronauts who were flying on the mission. So Neal's sold for just over $2000000.20 turned his room. For a medallion so and we don't know who bought it we don't know if he was. Collector or if he was a space collector or history collector. But it certainly did appeal and it must appeal to more than one because the bidding pushed it up to so that amount as you could imagine I'm not in that league of bid is one can I afford Well we'll see cheap is going to the end of this go. To one of those business cards for the club the intended ones Amaj would not go for several $100.00 cheapest items where it went to the hundreds in the 1st cell the very 1st one last November. Nothing sold for less than a $1000.00 and there was a little bit of auction fever there I think those people. Felt that you know this might be their only opportunity to get something and so they did as the auctions went on and it shows that this collection at a. Lot of items on offer. Getting sort of settled down a little bit not so much that anything could be called an expensive but you could pick up something for a few $100.00 and we'll have to see what happens in the next auction in November. Connect space don't call my Web site devoted to space memorabilia and that's about it for months thanks for listening thanks. And yes you can see the sun is rising in these. 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