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From 1970. 3 woman Wednesday evening b.b.c. Radio. This is all modelled on the King show b.b.c. Radio and. We never thought we'd get them in the same room Russell Watson and Jones before 9 chatting about walking on stage together. I love you do you love me. The dressing rooms have to be identical. Bathroom and he goes and I this is Alan Jones and I'm Russell Watson b.b.c. Radio can't keep listening by the end of the soul certain pieces missing in these dancing around doing he'll play the dancing was not very impressive let me tell you trust me. We're a couple of. Dads but strangely. I don't know how that works and in the conversation I'm chatting to backing singers to the stalls. I. Think this is while I'm going on. We've got a great song on the way for you next on b.b.c. Radio a We Built This City from Starship this is the Dominic King show. The. B.b.c. Radio. Was. The conversation on b.b.c. Radio cat with. The backing singers of the stars having worked on stage in the recording studio with including Eric Clapton the police and Robbie Williams She's the author of back track the voice behind music's greatest stars and founding member of the backing vocalist supergroup on songs singing as I go through all those errors through to the seventy's revealing backstage gossip toll secrets all sorts of things since the 70 through to the ninety's Good to see you oh I com Where are you. Are you I'm really good good to have you on the show yeah you. Just today in a slightly different tonight due to a little complexity of trying to get into the building this evening my pass would work basically they wouldn't let me in security said no that's not true not a flat tire you know whatever how you yeah thank you yes I'm fine it's great to have you back with us on the show and it's so funny you know Casey just a little while ago was giving a little hint to our season Kent to miss where we countdown to Christmas with artists performing songs and that was so fabulous to have you and the rest of the team joining us last year and we loved it and any excuse to sing a Christmas song basically we reworked a classic Christmas number and it was just the most fun this is the time of year I guess maybe we could start with this about how when it comes to Christmas we wait to hear the kind of music that's going to come out it seems to me I don't know what you think but I I kind of get a bit overwhelmed by the amount of people trying to do Christmas records and I'm not sure the. Apart from maybe one or 2 they're that good yeah well back in the day it was basically Cliff wasn't it who released stuff I mean at Mistletoe wasn't really Christmas until mistletoe and wine or the equivalent had come out. But now you know you're right that the market is so saturated with so much stuff but I mean there are some strong contenders this year. So what sort of things are you seeing that you climb in the light that you think might do something interesting well who doesn't love the ad for what is there it's Waitrose essentially and it's the John Lewis lyrics and yes the Bastille with with the little dinosaur and he's so cute and the song is amazing it's an Oreo Speedwagon cover I believe and I can't find the feeling yeah that that's a strong contender for me I love that of course there's Robbie my expulse. Robbie that's going to be interesting isn't it because I guess you know there's the George Michael song that people are looking at Robbie Williams Going for the Christmas number one spot is easy to do that and to sustain that kind of idea of getting yourself the number one record and do artists I guess publish the wise I love it. How does it figure in terms of the music lexica Well I think they do love it because it really becomes the gift that keeps on giving because it's you know brought out every Christmas and it's fantastically successful I was very lucky recently to make to meet the legend that is naughty holder and that is you know that Christmas song from Slade really is I mean everybody would wish to have that frankly ever any artist would wish to have a song that's that big Nobody said to me that the being in the supermarket when it used to get played remember when they used to play the songs on the Tannoys actual I mean they still do that but he would always have that experience of hearing it and I said to him You must have got so annoyed after a while of people coming up to you and say you know it's Chris. But he he said you know what the thing is I know what impact it had I was so grateful for having I don't not sure all of the band to be honest were massively excited but they probably like the royalties and that's a thing I guess if you do have a hit huge one almost forgets your the rest of your back catalogue it's a bit of joy but at the same time a bit of sadness too I think so I think artists would you know you know cut off their right arm for a Christmas number one frankly it's such a fantastic thing to get but I mean who knows who knows it is his Cliff got a single out this year do you know I haven't heard about it I have not heard back there will be on the way the other thing about the t.v. Ads I mean we look at this every year and you start hearing the songs I know best deal of come out haven't they were. The one for my right there Casey will know because we play that the other night on the show but still John Lewis d.w. And Astrid Starr one was like yes and that was a great thing so we spoke to the team from Ashford who created that and that was so brilliant 3 thought and they've made a point of saying to us that at. What they did was they were asked to submit the beats of the song and then they didn't know what it was going to be for then suddenly when you get the explosion and it's on the air with us and they're saying this is amazing we're now hearing our music being played and that's great There are 3 such a joy in that especially if you're kind of you know up and coming Well absolutely and it's such a joyful time anyway you know people are so desperate for for you know good news and good music that it's it's really a fabulous thing to be able to release something and have it be successful so we're going to look at that coming up soon and what happened with you the other day because I was talking to you and you were saying to me about you were listening to We Are The World and it just kind of struck a chord with you no pun intended for how the intended Yeah it just. Occurred to me really that listening to it without the visuals meaning it must be sort of 30 plus years ago now that it was it was a hit I was listening to. Not Feed the world but what was the American one yeah. It was for you the world was. Over here and that was feed the world USA for us USA for Africa Exactly and I was listening to it and and literally every time another artist sang within 3 he said within 3 words you knew who the artist was their personalities in their voices was so strong so you had Lionel Richie who has been you know Stevie Yes indeed although you had Stevie Wonder you had absolute you know Bruce Springsteen and it just occurred to me why. Maybe it's a generational thing you know we're looking back and saying these singers was so had so much personality and their voices we knew who they were without even seeing them do you think that's the case today 1985 I'm just wondering whether it just felt like a certain time if we go back to the seventy's or sixty's the fifty's you going to get people coming out a particular time of year where you identify immediately you Judy Garland as Frank Sinatra I'm not sure I think there's so much now I think there's so much coming out the individual so I think if you're in your twenty's maybe we've got a couple of 20 year olds 30 year olds around us. Are you think if you hear stuff now there's so much saturation that your identify with the person you know really really well but I'm not sure you'd identify every single artist if they were all in a collective room together singing and performing Yes I think you might be right actually I don't know I mean even with the with the British version when when you had Simon Le Bon and you had. Who else Boy George I mean they were instantly again really recognizable sing is I just I don't know whether it's because as you say the market is so saturated that it's that the personality perhaps has got a little bit lost in the singer's voice is maybe I'm being unfair maybe I'm being an arm for old fart I'm not sure how I quite like your thoughts together. Me on b.b.c. Radio Kent for the conversation tonight here on the show and we will talk more with her would also talk about someone we lost this week a Terry O'Neill photographer to the stars we have some great recollections of him this week and Tessa self has our own story of being photographed by this man who took iconic photographs you're listening to b.b.c. 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All text to ace one travels through a takes a charge at your standard message rate see apre to see notice at b.b.c. Doco to each a serious local radio Previous a hard b.b.c. 4 country music comes from right in here this heart and soul that we all have you know. Just the story of one of the world's most popular music genres please don't take them just because you can that is so heart wrenching told by the stars who shaped it including Garth Brooks who read a limb Charlie Pride Dolly Parton you can dance to it you can cry cause something for everybody. Country music by Ken Burns but the finitude new series starts on Friday night at 930 b.b.c. 4 but we just need to feel. That. They're around the fire and tell the stories of for God's sake the extent that the music is very true for parts of. The conversation on b.b.c. Radio came with Dominic Casey. Tessa Niles is with us on b.b.c. Radio Kent tonight in the studio there well I'm in my studio here at home Tess we were talking about the music kind of gets all excited at Christmas time through our lives particularly I guess for you as well these moments are often photographed and they're kind of snapshots of our life when you are a well known person or someone who has spent a lot of time in the public eye like you have the photographs get taken sometimes without you knowing because of crowds who are out watching you and sometimes things that are set up with photographers and sometimes you get a chance to be with a photographer who is world class and that certainly was the case of Terry O'Neill who we heard died at the weekend. He was extraordinary he was absolutely extraordinary I was thrilled when I found out I was working for Eric Clapton at the time and I knew that he in Terry O'Neill were really good friends and that Eric had asked Terry if he would come down to the rehearsal room that we were working in and take take some shots for the Top program so he did came down and he was just so casual He was incredibly casual he had this extraordinary twinkle in his eyes well he was very very kind of laid back but super confident and just snapped away he just had that eye that's really interesting because Saundra how would he was then Sandra Paul in the swinging sixty's when she was a fashion model working for the likes of American Vogue and now Sandra Howard Baroness Howard of limb she said to me this week that there was something about his sort of calm the way he just sort of connected with you but he was just Authority nice human being he was he was there was absolutely nothing sort of superior about him a tool and and he was very cool as well he would just kind of walk around and made everybody feel at ease and it wasn't a big sort of photographic setup it was just him being cool and taking amazing photographs. Do you think it was because of his comic photos in the sixty's he captured that period he kind of did photographs of everyone it was a kind of who's who by the point he continues through his career he's kind of so used to doing it that it doesn't get affected by or or you just think he just treated every human being like they were just another member the planet you know I think he did I mean he was very much an observer he would just stand back and watch what was going on and then document it and the fact that he did that throughout the sixty's was extraordinary that he had the foresight to do that and one of my favorite photographs of his is the one of Bowie and the dog you know the one I mean yes where Bo is kind of reclining and a really angular thing and then he's got this dog that's almost shooting itself out of the photograph it's absolutely incredible and then the other one that I love is a picture of him and. A Bobby Moore and his wife at the time Tina and I think that originally kind of sparked maybe a love affair for wives and girlfriends because up until that point that hadn't been taken that kind of shot so he really was at the forefront of all of that you had a picture taken with someone you'd worked with Katie Caperton and she was part of the Mack and Katie case and she was indeed yes they were brother and sister not husband and wife as a lot of people think and you know we were very fortunate to have this wonderful photograph taken by Terri and yeah I shall treasure it always. The joy of being on stage or something we talked lots with you about I've gotten this lovely message that came in today knowing you were on this is from Chris who lives on the road near Marsh I don't really looking forward to listening to tests are just finished reading her book I loved it soundtrack of mine musical life through the seventy's eighty's and ninety's of course of the book he's referring to is back track the voice behind music's greatest stars and in that you do chart the journey don't you of of working with these different people you mentioned Eric Clapton Chris said he watched you twice with Eric at the Albert Hall amazing couple of concerts Oh thank you Chris that really means a lot thank you so much I love it when people have kind words to say about the book because you never know when you're writing a book whether or not it's actually going to resonate with people I sort of did it as a bit of a pet project not really thinking that anybody other than my family were going to read it so I was absolutely just thrilled to know that it did and it does resonate with people and yes there are lots and lots of stories about my adventures in rock n roll from kind of day one really you're very honest in it as well aren't you you do kind of give a real sense of what the music industry was like then and you're still very much part with a bunch of colleagues of that music industry with the unsung singers your vocalist supergroup and that's where you get a chance to chin wag Don't you about those days but also what you're all up to now yes we do it's absolutely my dream project really to work on because it's bringing together like minded people if you like you know back people in the background who've contributed to records but not the main artists but have you know a great body of work behind them and so it's an opportunity for us to not only saying the music but also tell the stories about being in the studio when things were recorded and all the kind of candid stuff that we don't normally get to share with the public. It's great though because you know you are you've got to know you on this program over the last few years and we we've kind of discussed about what it's like being in that kind of moment of the public eye as a singer on the front of the stage but then you've got all this team of people who work to get it all there but when you are backing vocalist I mean I've said it to you you would never say this but I sometimes think you know you hear some of those backing vocals and you think they've got the better voices. Well that's very kind of you to say. Yeah I think you have to be pretty skilled and be able to do all sorts of different kinds of singing a little bit like likening a session sing about haps to being an actress but we're using our singing voices rather than the last weekend voices it's an incredible job I just don't I have so many pinch me moments throughout my life that I like how did I get here you know a kid from Maidstone Come on do you know though how respected you are do you know those people talk about you because last night on the show we have the film composer Michael j. McAvoy on the show he lives in Ramsgate he's an American and I mentioned you coming on the show and he just went test miles amazing what. Was it. Really that swell that just has made it that entire year that's you know I don't think I know really because you so used and pretty comfortable being that side person not being in the limelight so it's joyous to hear that somebody feels that way about me it's lovely. The 22nd Grammy Awards but people in the spotlight don't and I guess it's a it's a tough thing to manage the music industry because although you want the accolades you also know that it comes with a great weight around your neck a great sort of heaped moment on your shoulders because you've got a carry on that once you get something like a Grammy or over here and I've been a Velo you are kind of now almost targeted aren't you right you've got that what are you doing next Yeah I think so I think it really is that kind of mark of right we've stamped you now but it ain't for free you know you've got to you've got to deliver from here on in here so I think I think some people see it as a blessing and some as a curse great news though from l.a. Today a 5 of the 8 album of the Year nominees are women ariana grande a lot of Del Ray among the front runners. Shortlisted in all the ceremonies big 4 categories. Best song best record best album I mean that's a that's a great moment isn't it and in particular in a period of time it should happen anyway but a particular period of time I guess where post or current me to it is saying look you know we need to make sure we understand the depth of talent that is out there yes we're seeing some incredibly strong artists coming through with extraordinary messages as well I mean listen what's not to love she's amazing she's absolutely amazing really powerful empowering young people in many different ways and yet long may it rain It's fantastic how much of that is of interest to you actually you talk about all of those artists I mean Billie Eilish is incredible if anyone sees any videos of her with her fans I mean just astonishing the way she is very down to earth but got this incredible. Way of being herself if anyone seen her on stage she just does this little movement with a piece of music that they do every time she's on stage and she does it differently every. Time and the crowd go wild but what things she's doing is they're using their celebrity tests to talk about issues that are really important whether it be about being a woman whether it be about the environment and global warming whether it be about people and how much money people have in their pockets living in a society that we do is that important to do and have always done that was that happening when you were 1st starting out were you seeing that was it more driven by let's get the music out there and don't talk about yourself yeah I think it was the latter it was not on the agenda for people I do remember when staying kind of stood up and started talking about the rain forest he took so much flak that he really did you know people were just really not positive about it and I think the fact that he's doing it now. Is incredible and can only build on that because they have such a platform I mean there are there is a school of thought that says well they shouldn't be political you know they're musicians what do they know about politics but I say you know throw throw your penny in the hat and go for it you know I find that really interesting that I have there's the same argument about comedians and you know a comedian does a joke and they get so much flak over it and you've got this legion of people who suddenly get on Twitter and Instagram and saying to them you know you shouldn't say that Who do you think you are blah blah blah I'm kind of thinking they provide the music they do what they do they're not politicians if they want to if they want to stand up for a cause I guess it's up to them some people might say yeah but they influence people in a certain way I think you can be influenced necessarily if you don't agree with a person but if you do of course you're going to kind of go at least there in my corner or something I mean apparently Taylor Swift has a massive platform there that she uses politically. You know what it's not going away the genie is out of the bottle and I think it can only add to society to have these opinions as you rightly say don't have to agree with them you don't have to follow them you know we all have choice but the fact that these people are talking about important things incredibly important things is good Here's an interesting one because you mention about staying there and you posed a question to me sent this on an e-mail earlier today and I need to know the answer from you said what do sting Nigella Lawson and I need to Roddick have in common Dom what is the answer. Well all 3 are parents and have decided that they are not going to leave the bulk of their wealth to their kids really yet yet they're against it they do not want their children to feel entitled. They want them to be morally wealthy as opposed to Rich in pocket and you know they want them to have a strong worth work ethic. Com going to push this to you what about with your own family your own kids have you thought about because clearly you know you've you've done all right Tess got the money. Don't. Don't play the poor don't know I came here on my bike. I can't even get him. But do you think there has to be a level of responsibility then particularly if you are in that kind of circle of of wealth you should think about how your kids treat that wealth Yeah I think so I think it's about. It doesn't matter if you're super wealthy or just kind of Ok well off I think we all care about how our children are growing up and how they view and value. You know the things in life and how they how they value money and what they do with it you know how do they have strong morals I mean a lot of parents. Want their kids to stay grounded I mean they posed chores on them I know a lot of the super super wealthy in New York apparently are giving their kids very very definite chores to do and they insist that they were there at college it's important it's very very very important to to not be detached from reality I'd be so annoyed there if I was Sting's kids suddenly you know got to a certain age and say you know this lovely stuff we've got this house you know here you know this house in the Pyrenees I don't know if you've got a house and parents are saying you know you cannot have any of it you've got to go your own way good luck Well he says and that they do not want they do not ask him for money because they're very very keen on forging their own way ahead. That's not to say they probably haven't had the benefit really good educations you know they've they've they're in benefited from from their wealth I'm sure but how you move forward with it what you do with it and how it dominates your life is really up to you. If you were taking yourself back to when you 1st started out one of your earliest Jobs was there with the police sting and the rest of the boys would you have thought back then that that would have been his attitude now did he have that from day one Tess. Well he's a Jodi he's. What can I say they're very down to earth. Is and Grace is about the man and. Yeah I I think that kind of goes along with the kind of person he is yeah definitely Tessa gnarls has been with me on the conversations like here on b.b.c. Radio it's an absolute joy I don't want you to treat it as a personal slight that I'm not in front of you I just couldn't get in I Thank you Tess You're so welcome thanks for having me. She's brilliant Tessa dolls' is the author of backtracking like Chris on the road definitely worth reading the book it's amazing some of the stuff in there the voices behind the music greatest stars and also take a look online for unsung singers I'm sure in 2020 they're going to have more news for us about the journey of all these fabulous backing vocalist of the stars Let's get an update on the roads on the way 1st here is the weather tonight with Nina Ridge overnight tonight will stay dry but we are going to see the clouds increasing into the early hours of got laser $3.00 to $4.00 degrees for Thursday mostly dry during the day but with very gray and overcast skies not a huge amount of sunshine through the day on Thursday I add in a southeasterly breeze it is going to feel chilly with highs of 8 degrees some showers then start to break out through the latter part of the day and through the night into the early hours of Friday so Friday morning starting off cloudy with a shower still scattered around but they are expected to clear away so through the day tending dry with some sunshine for the afternoon and not quite as cold with highs of 10 degrees. From b.b.c. Radio Kent it's been the one we've been focusing on all evening the m 20 and the m 25 what's happening on the m 20 tonight so well we've still got 2 lanes closed and heavy queuing traffic on the m 20 because of an accident eastbound from Junction 3 for the m $26.00 to junction for the label and snarl and so still just down to one lane that not. He's causing long delays this evening elsewhere just outside the county on the m 25 we've got 2 lanes blocked in heavy traffic due to an accident clockwise from the clock at Lane services to junction 6 with Goldston says both the outside and the inside lane close 3 that at the moment I'm also in Queens or the 8500 lower road is closed in both directions and traffic is really queuing heavily there due to an accident from the $84.00 line at the lays down turn off the button he'll drive congestion still back to surrounding roads around Queens but Russian Strong see him further delays still backing up on the ship be crossing to the lower house to turn off public transport or seems to be running well this evening but if you've got any travel updates for us please give us a call 108756 double one the one on the more travel in 40 minutes home one o 4.2 f.m. Into Internet Hyundai and Folkston and across West End 0906.7 f.m. This is b.b.c. Radio came. Across England on b.b.c. Local Radio 3 weeks to polling day it's time for the people who want the keys to number 10 to face the voters welcome to question time on a dream Gulberg this Friday we're bringing together b.b.c. Local radio across England for a Question Time leader special followed by your calls your question and your reaction which should not have been in this country given up on. That English. Think this election will join make face Friday have your say from 7 b.b.c. Radio and you're listening to the drama king show on b.b.c. Radio Kent. Next can I tell you something just between you and me. When I was on finally train. Every Tell you something just between. Those. 3. Every single word is. A. B.b.c. Radio cannot smash Melo and churches and here with me on the way at 9 o'clock tonight love and marriage do they go together what happens when you get hitched and how do you make sure it works out his curse the law we've got 2 great guests tonight one of them comes from the point of view if you prepare properly your marriage should last for life the other takes the view that you should prepare potentially for divorce and will be explained later why a prenuptial agreement is like a set to make. Thank you that's interesting Ouch they dominated classical music over the past 2 decades in their own right last year Alan Jones and Russell Watson recorded in the studio together and went straight into the top 10 of the Classical Album Chart with in harmony they're back with back in harmony and about to head out on tour I started by asking Russell how far you've managed to match their diaries for our chat can we ask you that question. On here on Freeview any time I feel like a gooseberry. Do you love me. Son of a guy I'm good I was made I was it really was it I was lucky to not be lucky to be even though I haven't a guy I love playing in a heavenly way and I don't want to. Get We've been together more or less for a couple of years now have something made a sound like a couple we have. To. Give you hours of my life is tough. Luck to you. He's got a point no room he finishes my sentences say. You both though each other for a while but haven't you been a long time yeah 20 years 20 years more or less of an artist really go back 20 years 1st I mean that was in 1999 at the turn of the century I was only 7 I think that would have made me kind of like an embryo. And you know it's been it's been a it's been a great experience the 1st album you know so sank full that it's so well which has given us the opportunity to do another one which we're concerned is even better than the 1st and you know we're releasing it now on the back of a fantastic 24 day tour which we had a lot of fun and having no knowledge Russell and his ability to pull as many jokes as possible backstage I don't know how you coped with that time you know what we never ever speak unless we're in public you know separate dressing rooms the dressing rooms have to be identical as well on the door gets very upset if I have a bathroom and he doesn't well. You know the performance on stage will be affected by the size of his bathroom have salute while noticed on the album cover the suit to the sign everything's the same. The fact that mime was a size bigger than eyelids on the chest upsets him as well because he wanted to know why how to big a suit than he. Was . There was. God was the production everything on this album is bigger the orchestra's because everything about it really you know is even though the 1st album was fantastic as well as far as we're concerned this one just takes us on a different level it. Was. For you both you member that 1st moment where you got into whether it be a concert hall or a studio with an orchestra and how about fell it will start with youse recording an album in Wales and I was sat with the orchestra and they were recording a piece my Scotties Coverly honesty Khana the Internet so from it just before I recorded with them and I just remember sort of almost being in tears being totally overwhelmed by just the power of the orchestra and yeah it was amazing Russell and I'd come out of the working men's club so I've been singing with you know Bill on the Hammond organ and Fred on the full peace pole drum kit and then all of a sudden thrust into the classical world you know into studios in London their home recording the new album with the role Phil Amani caucus tree and I've got to admit it was all you know rather intimidating at that time but it's like anything you know you have to go through these things and I think that you know looking back to then. Compared to now at that time I was a bit like a little puppy dog with a wacky tail and running around didn't quite know what everything represented what I was doing where is now you know I'm a grand old dog couldn't a said it better myself thanks man I know. Now that to be honest with you I think rest is right because I felt the same way I always felt sort of you're not worthy to sing with a big orchestra sort of thing you know and whereas you know now we've been doing it a very very long time so I kind of relish those moments now because you know we're lucky to have the opportunity the sense of being on stage the sense of doing new you can you can go from concert a concert you can do all these different things but does there ever happen in maybe any individual concert where there's just a moment where you both do you individually kind of go this is actually happening with you know doing this we're still bringing this music to people we're still being and allowed to use our talent to do it yeah of course it does he you know you get that that's what they call the pinch me moments thing as an artist I think if you if you've managed to attain long jealousy in a career. There are going to be a lot of those moments where you you know you walk out onto a stage or a big television or a performance for you know somebody's royal whatever the occasion might be there are there are so many potential moments where you you get that sense of wow and I think there's an there's a higher appreciation rate at this stage for me in my career as to what I'm doing in the successes that I have the maybe 1st when I answered the classical world and maybe took some of those moments for granted because it was all new a new kind of oh yeah well this is how it's meant to be it's only kind of further down the line that you actually realize how hard you have to work not just meant to not just to create a career but also to sustain it you absolutely must be really strange for you Al it as well that that kind of because it happened at such a young age for you in you know the nation just felt they knew you from a very early point you became part of their soundtrack about very early age did. It's been a long time or not. But you know the reality is you've been doing a long time so does that kind of does that play into the psyche of knowing anything else other than that world no one city but when I was 12 years old and 13 years old again a bit like what Russell was saying is that you know you you just get on with it there was no pressure on me as a kid for the simple reason that no one had ever done it before so you know that whereas now I think there's a lot of pressure on on this world because you know it's it's a tough world there's a lot of people wanting to do it whereas when I was a kid I just turned up and sang and I knew everyone would clap when you have the opportunity to create an album How does it work between you both and who gets their way and it hasn't been at all as it was no it's not it's it's kind of like it's a joint decision so. Oh. You know we both put our suggestions in and we kind of you know for this record it was like a an even an even amount of songs Yeah and that's exactly the same on the 1st one as well you know it's we've got a list and then we get into studio and do it it's as simple as that a lot of people seem to be enjoying the opportunity to work with people that they've spent a lot of time with you know in other aspects whether they be on the same bill or whatever it might be is that what you found have you have you just enjoyed that experience of doing it together you know we're seeing it with Alfie Bowen Michael Ball you know but there seems to be a combination of people in the music world who are saying you know what we quite like doing this together not just about the money yeah and it's definitely not because you have to share the money. You know it's been a brilliant experience and also you know rest and I are both used to just being up there on our own really up front and having somebody with you you know singing with you and talking about you in the tracks and Elizabeth knows it's been fantastic you know I I've really thoroughly enjoyed it what does it offer you Russell to sign we're both good communicators so when we're on stage we both you know obviously has years and years of experience as a presenter my experience is predominantly on stage in front of an audience so it's quite prolific when we're on stage because you know there's never a quiet moment there's never a dull moment there's no gaps in between there's no or quite silence is there's there's always something going on you know when we need to be serious and when we need to be reflective on certain pieces of music particularly with the hymns and the and the classical You know the with the areas we are you know when we have the moments where we can clown around and make the audience laugh then that's what we do mean that the whole idea the whole concept of what we do is to take the listener . Or the person that's in the audience through a series of of different emotions. And they do it well Jones and Russell Watson the new album back in harmony is out now. Tomorrow on the. Big anniversaries for 2 the Molly pantomimes biggest stars on and off the stage life in Kent generation we continue the conversation is with Universe music lecturer a musician and composer Richard Lightman and elite soldier turned author Mark Milley billing and tells me about his life in the us and being a celebrity bodyguards the. B.b.c. Radio k M's back to Marinelli some say. Thank you add that one for you tonight here on b.b.c. Radio can from the burning k.d. Lang great to hear that again just to mention that. It featured on the B.B.C.'s multi-story podcast you can find it by going to b.b.c. Sound celebrating the power of words from rescued love letters to old age poetry this is b.b.c. 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Was and at the weekend former royal press secretary Dickie Arbiter says this decision was inevitable he went into that interview believing it was crisis management the created a crisis instead of motherhood and there was no what other direction he could go sponsors will falling by the wayside and the organization is called cope and can't function without without sponsors so everything was falling about him like dominoes that he was really left with no alternative but to step back from public duty the Lib Dems have published the election manifesto pledging to recruit an extra $20000.00 teachers in England and support the low paid they say their policy of scrapping bricks it would make an extra $50000000000.00 pounds available for public services party leader Joe Swinson says the plan makes economic sense there is wide agreement from economists that if we leave the e.u. We will be pariah there will be less money and therefore if we stay in the e.u. There will be billions pones more to spend on our public services our schools are helping people to get out of in work poverty and so it's important that we think that we're also being honest about where we will need to raise taxes to be able to invest elsewhere the conservatives have pledged to raise the threshold at which people pay national insurance to $12500.00 pounds a year and Alice's official n.h.s. Data in England shows millions of people are missing out on the dental care they need a survey it's revealed more than 2000000 adults haven't been to a dentist in the past 2 years because they've been turned away or put off by the cost and he crouches vice chair of the British Dental Association I think it's absolutely shocking we are a professional. I want to look after potions patients are amongst business you know in a civilized country just beyond belief or let's just say Marino has taken charge of Tottenham players for the 1st time after being appointed the club's new manager it's understood the former Chelsea and Man United boss will be paid a basic salary of $8000000.00 pounds a year Rachel Martin is from the Tottenham supporters trust I think a lot of the supporters still felt that Pitino should have been given more time although there was certainly a movement of fans within the club that wanted Marino and then there were others who touted other names but a lot of people still wanted Pitino to be given the opportunity to do it here at Whataburger hundreds of students and under eighteen's have been registered to vote without their knowledge after council i-t. Blunder around $630.00 students were wrongly registered by Plymouth City Council it also sent polling cards to 250 children it says it believes the issue is now resolved b.b.c. News it's 3 minutes past 9 b.b.c. Radio Kent on the air with the law answering your legal question. Good evening tonight we are going to be looking at marriage you may have heard Graeme Jones's show last week when he talked about the lack of rights for Capital did that make you think that there is a lot to be said for marriage the biggest problem with marriage is some of them end in divorce and with me in the studio are 2 experts who take different views as to how this should be dealt with They've both been in long relationships Ruth Bradshaw from Saddam's church you've been married for 25 years and it's very impressive isn't it well I did thank you and you're going to be talking about the bet value of pre-marriage courses Also joining me is Stephen Smith From the n.w. Though I knew are going to be talking about prenuptial agreements Yes. Yes. So I say I get you will be talking about putting us if you turn the volume up I would be . The great thing is I get to control his volume which may be necessary because what I can say is these 2 can get a little bit heated they come from different points of view Ruth says the best way to prepare for a long and happy marriage is marriage courses think about things in advance she even says that's all very well but statistically there's a higher risk of it going wrong you need to have a prenuptial agreement to protect your position I want to know when you know yourself and need to have one of your own lawyer that's sure you know I think what will come back if you wait a minute but I want to know what you think on this subject do you think prenuptial agreements are a good thing or a bad thing if you're about to get married or you be mad a long time how do you think you should best prepare for marriage what things would you expect to be covered on a marriage course would you be prepared to go on one of potentially share things in the future get in touch with us here at b.b.c. Radio Kent and tell me what you think these are the details you need. Oh wait $1756.00 double one double one take skins to each one treble 3 b.b.c. Radio. Well I think I've got to go straight over to Stephen Smith who's looking slightly indignant air that I just said people need a prenup Are you saying as a divorce lawyer that's not what you would say to a couple getting married I think it's up to the couple to decide you know some couples will decide that they don't need a prenuptial that they'll share all their wealth wealth crew Prosser marries including wealth crew doing the might of a couple for a very good reason will say no we want to regulate our affairs particularly if one party has brought in substantial assets into the market or may have been divorced before and so to make provision for their children from the 1st marriage or indeed may be involved in the business and his business partners or her business partners . We want to have some regulation over your financial affairs and even you get divorced I mean particularly for farming businesses or where you've got family trusts the pretty good reason and quite often it's not the couple the sole he make the decision obviously they make the decision but.

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