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Series Rosie and Jim as well as many other books and poems but children but his most lasting character was Pat even though he has now rather changed having acquired a surname a family and a helicopter and snowmobile to help with his deliveries and a look at the weather a band of cloud and spots of rain will move south winds across England tonight feeling chilly in the north of the country with overnight lows for many places of between 2 degrees Celsius and 11 B.B.C. News It's 3 minutes past 8. B.B.C.'s. Here we go into the 2nd hour of the program. Friend of the show another friend of the show. The beautiful. Stories of. Thank you many many live on the program earlier today. Involving birds if you if you get to talking bird even better. In general derivatives of that kind of conversation. With the. 100. 1858 the program in the next 15 minutes time the man that inspired a conversation. Is David Lindo he's the. Spends much of his time looking for birds. Also on the show the. Memories. 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The branch just a foot ahead a pub of the highest point the host could reach the Please hire Johnny walking down the road one day or so group of people looking a roof being curious as one is I asked what they were looking at I was told that one of the neighbors parrots got out of its cage and that the other neighbor let his parent out to try and entice the 1st pair of pack Karalee Gospel no idea what happened to both parents well as we've learned this evening there are multiple hundreds maybe thousands probably thousands of wild parrots in the U.K. Mainly down south I Ajani my granddad rescued a chicken that fell off the back of a lorry genuinely called a harpy because that an injured leg. Triple for a start that message with the word Johnny orto 801-691-8582 get in touch with the program we are talking your bird stories tonight because of our next guest let me introduce you to the urban Birger city centers can sometimes seem a little bit trouble a bit soulless and a little bit lifeless but if you look if you really look you'll see that there is amazing wildlife out there just hidden he didn't buy the grey of the concrete I guess David is an urban bird and spends much of his time seeking out feathery friends in the most unlikely of habitats and he's going on tour as well you can hear and see him talking about this will give you the dates in a moment's time but let's introduce you to David 1st sight David how he. But. You know what parents maybe thousands in fact there are thousands are there may be about 30 or 40000 mostly down south some of them and seen as far as north busy of Scotland really right so we've got it we've got a couple people get in touch tonight as to where these came from 1st theories they came from the filming of African Queen in Richmond Park but then that was by someone who said there were no live birds in that this is my favorite theory is that Jimi Hendrix released a couple. And they then they then mated and made entire flocks according to Martin in London can you give any verification to the fact that Jimi Hendrix is the reason we have wild parakeets in Britain. I love that one because this Jimi Hendrix on canvas street with Adam in one hand and even the oven. At 45 years later this $40000.00 now actually that's not true either are you have you ever met a love a plane flying over southwest London part of the fuselage falls off lands on a on an Avery and all the birds escape no reality roasting parakeets to get in the full name are actually escaped pets and what's interesting the 1st breeding record in Britain was actually in 1853 in Great Yarmouth and in the late 1900 there was a flourished flourishing flock in North fleet in Kent and the reason for that was that they were on sale as ships and whenever they came to land the birds are to fly off and land and make home and the reason why they have survived so well in your case the fact that they come from India but they are also found in the Himalayas up to 4000 feet up and you can imagine the weather right there so living in Britain is a walk in the park for these guys yeah Aren't they a plucky little fellas and they're absolutely Now tell us about being an urban bird and why do it urban why not go out to the countryside sued many national parks and forests Why do you do it in amongst all the concrete all for me it was all about the fact that I couldn't get out the countryside when I was a kid I was told repeatedly that nature is only to be found in the countryside and I had no one to take me so I kind of turned around and looked around me and I noticed that there was lots of birds around me so basically cities and towns are actually quite interesting places 609 species joining have been found in the U.K. Since records began and began a most of those cases have actually been found in urban areas urban areas are quite rich. OK there's habitats within the areas like woodlands and and grasslands and reservoirs and they are much more fragmented than you would find in a natural. World but even so you still get birds attracted to these areas and plus there are far more easier to see that there would be in in the rural areas right and I guess you but you don't get to wear the cool camouflage get out dear that if you were going to a normal Avery you'd have to weigh all the words. I think I think we're in a pair of jeans and a nice change. Absolutely perfect because in a city in towns it's great because you can nip in to a coffee shop afterwards you know you can you can do all that stuff. But the thing is just joking aside it's actually you know binaries are actually very rich in terms of finding birds and once you kind of get into that wavelength and open your mind to the idea that it's more than just pigeons to be seen. All sorts of stuff that happened to me my life and I love taking people out like I'll be doing in Yorkshire and I'll do the Oakley. First of all and also in Birmingham I'm taking people out on a walk in the morning because. You know to see people's faces when they say Oh I think. Oh and then the week later you emails from people saying I still seen those plus I've seen a kink there so you know it's so many different there's so many different things that we've seen so open burden for me so exciting Well it's funny you mention a kingfish you know because years ago I was on a kayak on the River Y. And I saw a flash of blue or Kingfisher and I thought wow that was amazing and that stayed with me ever since and it was just a real real fleeting flash and it fast forward probably 7 years later to live a poll and how urban can you get it as a city livable these massive Metropolis and we went to the docks there we were having a beer at the side and these Kingfisher came and sat on the railings about probably a metre and a half away from us and was there playing around dipping in and out of the water for a good 10 or 15 minutes it was extraordinary to see that and we were in the city of however many hundreds of thousands of people. It's amazing because you know it's all about the stopping and spending 10 minutes just to connect I want to do that it's incredible what you start seeing and if the court thinks do is to look up because birds have wings and it's amazing what flies over our heads I mean in London I've see you now saying there's a space is a book called the honey buzz it for example which is pretty rare and you can I see them flying over London I've seen asked price of the central London and colleagues of mine of brains working with golden eagles in Scotland and I think satellite tag in them and looking at the records I've discovered that they fly over the center of Edinburgh on a regular basis but no one ever sees him because people don't look up Yeh it's all about this tuning in an opening in your mind opening your mind to the idea of these things being around and what about Kit David what do we need a decent pair of binoculars and a pair of comfortable shoes much more than not yeah I mean you know I think to start a favor it's all about having an open mind you need all that thing up and Oculus Absolutely and just aware stuff that you feel comfortable in so when so obviously dress warmly in summer according to the weather just you know dress accordingly but it's all about being comfortable you don't. Expect you know binaries you just wear what you feel you feel good in and then you just go out to a local park or even open your window look into your garden or into again local park or walk down the road and just just experiencing the wildlife around you'd be surprised and what's the best way of identifying them. Well that comes with time I feel that it's all about osmosis it's all about trying to kind of just be aware that there's birds singing and birds around you and I don't stress about the idea of having to reach a certain level you know I need to see under species by 1st you forget about all that stuff there's no exam to to to take it's all about taking it in your own stride and I think that kind of discovery is much more fulfilling you know when you actually 1st see your green woodpecker and think oh I actually recognise that myself that is far more fulfilling than trying to go through it in terms of looking at list and trying to kind of you know compete with other people so it's all about just doing it your own pace year and what a great antidote to how busy and hectic and dirty cities in the urban life can be to see these beautiful little snapshots of wildlife there in amongst it. The thing is people think that these birds are just turned up by accident often and they're all the time and it's interesting to talk about dirty I mean up I've been for example in Scent of Manchester looking along a canal and then you know you see just strewn in the canal shopping trolleys and tires and stuff but then you see a bird walking along the river side of the canal side like the example that a great whacked out which is mostly grey and yellow and you think yourself that it is normally found in fast flowing rivers in the middle of nowhere but yet in a millimeter So in some polluted can now is a great shows that they can eke out a living and these birds can be found anywhere meant all that generally birds can be found anywhere even if you go shopping. In the winter check out the berries because sometimes you might even have the possibility of seeing waxwings which are . It's. Fine to look at pink and black and yellow and to see that in the middle of your town. Here they are beautiful but you can see and hear David Oakley Literature Festival that's the end of September Birmingham Literature Festival the 5th of October off the shelf literature festival in Sheffield the 16th of October in books on timing and the New Castle Literature Festival on the 24th of November and you've got a new book out how to be in a budget that goes with it David. So what you are there is talk about the history of binaries talks about how to look for the open air is what. I think the subtext should be how to look cool with a look at his own street without being like it's. David nice to good luck with it all thank you. Good man good guy Runtastic stuff. Maybe Lindo on the program. 25 stories of tonight place. Diana Ross and I'm still waiting Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton on the way islands in the stream so Felix Baxter a friend of the show and also we have mix tape memory tonight from Janet in Alabama we're talking birds tonight by the way tales of any avian related high jinks going up to one triple 3 star that message with the word Johnny we had a rather intriguing text I need to start the show I actually said My life was changed by a dead duck I named her a me but we had to find out more and we have got the author of said text on the program now an author of a rather unusual incredibly beautiful book it's Katrina Hello Katrina how eventually high lovely to have you here thanks for having me on the show is no no it's an absolute pleasure so you sent through this little link that led me to your book and it is absent the UN for the bird by Katrina vanden grew from grass mangrove and grow and this is a stunning piece of work tell me about it because it's been quite a long time in the making for you it was 25 years wow and it actually began with that dead duck I was an artistic picture live and I wanted to understand more about what goes on under the surface as I keep better pictures of the outside of the royal So I took this data from the dead duck on the beach and I took it home and I took all their stuff all the layers down of the feathers and the scale in the muscles and I boiled it up on the stove and took all the bones to pieces and kill them all up put them all together again it took several months and if you're going to spend several months with a dead duck it's going to have a name and so that's why she was quite a me high. I thought at the time hey this is a brilliant idea should dare to petition the. Drawings at all these different layers at that and so I had a spear such a good idea for the help other that our sister actually. Get their right to vote was something else something much much bigger than the interest of the 2 people interested in thirds Yeah and it took 25 years to published in 2012 well and it's 300 to draw rings on a 125000000 when I literally unearthed a 385 really lazy boy and they're really low carb just honest 425 wow and it is that of birds as well as other animals includes birds it's called a natural selection it's about evolution and explains evolution using down went analogy of. How natural selection is similar to selective breeding and domesticated things and includes dogs cats guinea pigs all sorts of things they're all illustrations and have you don't know one of these yes they are absolutely stunning they're extraordinary they are so detailed and so lifelike they really really are an amazing piece of work Trina thanks this has to be an obsession of yours to work on something for 25 years I guess yeah yeah I asked the hours dreaming about it and I just worked with 7 days wait. Over on the truck just to completely driven lovely lovely experience and meet the people raise a bit of an eyebrow when you tell them what you do what you drill yes they do especially the boiling up to the corpses on the stove I always get some Yeah that was a bit always going to ask you a little bit more about. I mean that is and then the bit of taking it apart and put it back together again you could at McCann know as a child or as my brother's a ways to live a color sets of way I guess I was a sort of frustrated mechanic Thanks model kits and things like that but it is I mean it's quite unusual to do that but also you know shows your dedication to to your arts and what are people to work to do you speak to any vets or people that work in the science side of things about it because I imagine you drawings would come in very handy for them yes certainly here I am. A self-taught scientist myself and the need it's very much for science science based base but it's still accessible to ordinary people. To educate people yeah tell us how do you know lots of scientists and their books been widely reviewed by all sorts of people the model makers Popper chairs poets scientists fats you name it a lot of paleo dinosaur lovers they they they really left of the yeah growth birds are dinosaurs Yeah right yeah course it is absolutely stunning I'm going to buy a copy of your book I'm almost I just thought I was on a get where I was going to get it by the way. This week actually I'm a local I'm not local I live in Iowa state back in shape but this week I'm a nature not a twit laugh riot wrote I hope that's what the new book is that both books are both books it really is a beautiful piece of work absolutely stunning thank you so much again it's actually the show Katrina relief so much Year thanks again all right no problem take it out to OK fine if you want that book by the way let me tell you Get it is absolutely gorgeous the unfettered bird by Katrina Von grow grew and it is absolutely love I mean it's you know it's slightly a carbon sense I guess but it is stunning really really stunning lovely lovely. Lady traffic in travel then we go to mixtape on the way music from Dr Hook in Sofia respect to. 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In Swindon thoroughly enjoying the program tonight we are as well but that's nothing to do with the music of the people that come to be into it I'm just in between Red Day off today it's been a month very urban garden shed with a rope in a wrench birds a bevy of blue tits several sparrows 3 crows and one very very loud magpie. With clattering around making that kind of. Noise that they do to personate a miss. I can impersonate my people just need to look around them from finance truth. And how about this my great grandmother Johnny lived off lane in Liverpool and he pirate sorry and his self went everywhere with my granddad they walked along the lane with him on the shoulder we went for he went for a pint once and played bowls with Dixie the power on the shoulder. That is brilliant is that true your great granddad played bowls with Dixie Dean with the power on his shoulder it was at the back of the album from Liverpool that was joyous thank you very much we have more stories like that if you get anything that gets near that kind of thing but please that's wonderful one triple 3 start out message with the word Johnny or it's 0. 16918 feel. Like is saying that your grandma would say to me I'll play bowls with Dixie day believe that. One triple 3 saw that message with the word Johnny 801-6958 comes up the stories of birds playing you get in touch share them with us. This. Brings me of the show's 999 update on the way. He is B.B.C.'s ngs. B.B.C. 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