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How speaker nancy pelosi, his de nails, which she called illegal attacks by azerbaijan on armenia speaking on a visit to the country policy pledged support for media after recent fighting on its border, azerbaijan called her comments unfair and unsubstantiated, and says the fighting was the result of a large scale military provocation by our media. Those are the headlines. The news continues here on al jazeera. After inside story, youre in great. S ah. Renew tension between tajikistan and kurdistan. Both sides blame each other for the latest border lera. But what schools this latest round of fighting, and is it likely to be resolved soon . This is inside story. Ah hello, welcome to the program alhashan. I had better, more fighting has taken place between kyrgyzstan antarctic. He sent over board a territory, a dispute that goes back to the collapse of the soviet union in 1991 skirmishes that started a few days ago have killed and injured dozens of people. Both landlocked nations accusing each other of breaking the recent cease fire conflicts over the poorly demarcated border are frequent and many are concerned. There could be an all out war. The unsexy general antonio terrace, called on all sides to deescalate and send through dialogue. A last stretch of the border is, are marked fueling disputes over water and land. Several rounds of talks over the years have failed. On saturday coke as president southern jap, out of cut short, his trip to his back is tend to hold an emergency meeting with the cargo security council. So new is in both of you will be this locker. There was a shoot out at the border which you believe disapprove occasion. Shooting was carried out by the armed forces and Border Guards of touch extern. Our Border Guards fought back that as a can t. M. And history has also claimed. Several civilians were killed in the fighting. And on sunday, the crumbling released the statement. Vladimir putin called on the parties to prevent further escalation and take steps to resolve the situation. As soon as possible by exclusively peaceful, political and diplomatic means. More than a 3rd of the length of the border between the former soviet states is disputed. Task force has attacked the Southern Regional krogers capital baskin on friday, and accused cougars forces of destroying a mosque and residential buildings. Co guest, dan says it evacuated more than a 100000 people from the area a cease fire was agreed on saturday, but remains fragile. A dispute last year over Water Reservoir lead to intense fighting that killed dozens of people. Moscow has offered to mediate between the 2 countries. It has close ties with both tajikistan and co guest than that host Russian Military bases. Ah, lets bring in our guests from bish kick cardiac took to love former car gets down ambassador to the us and canada from a has color. Douglas, stan is so gay. Mark of the director of the institute of Political Studies in moscow and a former member of the Russian Parliament from prague. Bruce pioneer is a journalist who specializes in central asia. Welcome to the program. Cadet was triggered the latest escalation on the border between co, gast talent as ex, than well, definitely one of the main reasons is the result for border the limitation process, we still have to complete almost 50 percent of for our boarded limitation was as you get done, and for this fighting that took place was the deadliest between just, i mean, did you get done with military service man of the next time going into the theater of georgia . And certainly we have to keep in mind that getting some antiques done shared the border in the densely populated figure. Not only one of the most densely populated regions in the world with scars disputed water resources. And they were down to the best buy. Does it start to take over t, what a distribution facilities. So there are a lot of issues that have to be worked out, but definitely this was the deadliest attack by the deadliest conflict between the 2 neighbors and j. Just as you just on starting the 1st. Ok. So gay people are concerned about an all out military confrontation between the 2 countries. Both were former soviet union states. What can russia do this time to de escalate . Russia already made us collision or like leslie between subject to song and guest and previous time and russia will try to give recommendations. Song recommendation tools lead us was just on, on getting on to give or that was needed to process to step down. And in fact, this contract is a continued long time is a contract, because why is unclear so you can get on to the today. The rich contin no problem already or something about 70. Yes. In 070 yes. Question. Contina, i would say after all up. So, so your union, of course, as a question became all was small violence, i would say is a normal subject glaze is able to read some tensions between project and get you set is also stage and every months, some violence, not questions and its in between students there are every here, some incident with women or is between additional set or to just on and get to get and every 10. Yes. Such as we see before not to to be lies as complex. But ill create that exact out of the session. All was to reach you or was a security reach in the previous time. Also now, most countries manned by us on the high computation musicians reach, in fact, glad to buy china and russia. And now china also when will join z activity, a pass to liberalize situation and my prediction thats traditional robust liberalize in a few days. All right, bruce, before we get into the root causes of the conflict, if, if this is something that has the potential to evolve into an explosive scenario for both countries, dont just think that the most immediate thing the International Committee should be doing is digitized Demilitarized Zone along with peacekeepers to be deployed in that particular disputed area. Well, it was a situation to start with the term because actually the, you know, there are war. They have been a war with each other for the last few days. Artillery banks helicopters, all thing. This happened again last year to im the only 2 Central Asian countries that have gone to war with each other. So its definitely an explosive situation. And its only getting worse as far as mediation, or some efforts to try to help the 2 sides to be mobilized. And i like that because really thats the key here to be mobile and asian it to exactly when you pick to do this. Theres a lot of, you know, on either side they have their own. Ready idea would be an honest broker and the other one country, one all agree with the other countries if thats the case theres been some not. Busy very successful efforts or trying to mediate conflicts or on the part of un, or the o s b. So if you know who exactly would, would you pick to mediate this piece . But i agree that mobile, they demobilization and the. Ready reduction of forces and removal of heavy weaponry in the border area is to even start in this either those are largely going to be confidence Building Measures. Now it comes to the border issue itself. This is something that day this back to many, many, many years ago. Now some say that the best possible scenario would be for both countries to agree on splitting the disputed area into half and then they would say miss them demarcate the border area. Turn the chapter, move forward. Does it make sense to the current Us Government . Well, if you look at the area which was affected by the latest, the crashes, and you would see that the board actually goes and cuts through some villages and through densely populated areas. So it has been one of the reasons why the whole limitation process has been going slowly is because there has been a little compromise or understand, you know, Common Ground in the past as to how that the limitations should go and who would see territory. And then being there or elsewhere. So the confidence Building Measures. Ready should be taking place and both countries have been working on that. But the biggest, uh, i would like to address the previous speakers are comments the failure of the organization. So which both curious on a project Staff Members off to actually provide enough mechanisms and confidence Building Measures so that such deadly attacks in conflict did not take place. Its pretty disappointing. I mean, you said you have that you can use them as members of the collective security trade organization, but still they go at each other and we do have to make sure that countries actually find compromise and find a Common Ground so that the limitations process is completed and concluded as soon as possible. Otherwise such conflicts will probably repeat in the future. So again, when it comes to the, a russian, a leverage here. As you know, the whole border dispute is about the demarcation of 19 twenties under joseph starting. Or when it comes to the practicalities of it, each has its own interpretation. The caregiver rely on to maps the tasks have their own maps. What do you think . Should russia do in practical terms to address the issue of the, of that particular disputed area . I think russia because of all new touch. Ok, so im kind of take a logic and you can say with most believers, because its not on a specific program. Sounds account, but also its a problem. So all the context of psychologist leadership and so on. And so quiet negotiation with most leaders with respect to all to them. Its an important part of those negotiations. Also, i want to discuss with some of the rate and our nike soprano is problems. Come not from 2 inches from the startup. Its come from the future span of what what channels have been created. And also its impossible. I seem to have did a mutation on the board that because the get invitation, he told me was kevin. But the situation is there because its an app in a bottle. Its made specially bidick company. Good. For example, ill asked me to pick collections and because one there was no one woman. I do remember that it was a gift woman, but she construct the just zap the fence. They did it too, which is, but i keep it that dont have any economic activity. So it didnt mean station thats not enough. It should be some kind of joy and maybe management or so. Sorry. I also, as this call they come because usually this suggests that to do some humans as a gore, some kind of why no solution was all by exchange. It comes to us, but i leave this was a really disagree with this suggestion and a credit style or just suggestion. So its also complex to say, quote, which is, its one that was a one that was important that actually reach russia because to Pay Attention to. But also to create maybe as a can meet to try and with russians and chinas will have to side to it is so many various small, almost individual conflicts on the grounds happen in source idea almost every day. All right, bruce, both countries have their own commissions. Regarding the board, the both countries have their own interpretations. Both countries say that we have the Marty Convention of 1991. We have the bicycle convention of 994. Are we talking just about an issue of dilemma taishan or is this is something far bigger about bizarre says about the need for both local communities to move back and forth, a different area to be able to survive. Oh yeah. Well, i mean, exactly. You know, its strange and cruel in a way that when youre in, ive been to this region several times when you can see them, the snow capped mountains around you and you know, theres a lot of water up there in the mountains. But there isnt a lot of water in this area where the border keeps going in and out. So, you know, agriculture land is limited both in terms of farming and in terms of hurting. And of course, you know, its hurting really where you have to move your animals from place to place of the grade. So, you know, these, these are really, i mean, this is the basic, the core and ordinance for these people out there. These things have to be out that water for the problems they have to have grazing land for their animals or people themselves. So yes, its hard to, you know, its hard to, to guard that or figure out a way that you can find a compromise for that because people are naturally going to lead their animals, the ground where theres grass, maybe that disputed ground. I dont know, maybe they they can let it, let them go on to the territory of. Ready jason state, while no ones looking, you know, maybe they think they can divert water or their own field when no ones looking, you know, and so its certainly primary importance. Its an agriculture, really based community on either side of the cardia. When you look at the case of kurdistan, for example, you have the nomads who say that the border did imitation was never fair and therefore the local communities were, are suffered a lot that there its absolutely there legitimate or why to cross into areas inside tajikistan to be able to look after their livestock or the same time they say theres another issue which is the water channels. We dont really feel like its evenly distributed between both countries. From a caregiver perspective. If this is about those particular issue, dont you see that the top issue here is the need for both december and biscuits to come together, set aside those differences and will forward about a new plan . Well, definitely been mistaken. This one they have to get together and find a common solution that will actually work for both side. But you know, any kind of solution work. Why, what compromise on both sides. And one thing that we have to keep in mind is that we actually have 2 different kinds of government, incurious done, and this is done kyrgyzstan, its a government that was part to elected. We have a pretty outspoken vocal parliament where a senior officials that are actually in charge and are competent and or are authorized to make decisions. While on the, on the tragic side you have pretty top down decision making. Were probably, theres only one man that makes all the decisions, including as to when the fighting on the border must stop. You look at the meeting between the 2 president s of been kingston and the g gets done in summer and they agreed that the there would be sci fi and you know, the military, one of the guards will actually pull back from the board, but they didnt take place on this that the site for sure. So we actually are dealing with, were looking at the situation of a more democratic country trying to find Common Ground on the border issues with an autocratic or certain country. So it is a bit of a think challenging definitely in this situation for most of the home, its just because of different nature of them and different accountability and lack of transparency, for example, on the budget said we still havent seen clear figures as to how many you know, on the casualties and what is really happening on their side. While we see everything that is actually has been taking place on the kidney side including number of people that we did number of people that were. Ringback killed and the people that were injured. So you know, its those differences that i think difficult to overcome. But yes, you know, i definitely need to come together. So you have asked you about what, what can a russia do do, dont you think that the chinese could potentially play a significant role given the fact that they have managed to expand somehow their political and economic influence in central asia . I think china because a lot of work on them are influences all region. So, bro break and let me insulins with china more more than name brands. And now of course, boss, i project just kid, just fan to a medium to russia to walk and russian economy are, its important factor. But china want to play a role, but dont want to play political role. China and keep in low profile. It dont want to be too much involved, especially now. You may remember knows that mean china will have a very Important Congress meeting close to communist party reach as should. In fact, the change political system reach. Diana, china said in previous 40 yes and Disease Congress will be very, very political. The point one, china, thats why i try, especially this be to try to keep a low profile. Also, i should then just concrete between q to use punch. It also has some characteristics that projects belong to that great parish on culture and get a good belong to that great culture. And we know, is it a collection of different that is because a person speaking and speaking people come to know many center us and its will continue seeing its will not stop. We were going to pretend that rule store as always contact richard junior. If youre a center, but what we can do for sure, no, maybe to pair to final. It is a new but to have i meant to stop firing. And 2nd it to create some kind of commit your response to russia. And the whole was that with some changes but to the patient and this commission can to, to salt, very specific, almost individual complex and be 3 and also currently between Small Business as richer crippin area, almost 7 bras. Im trying to draw some similarities with different conflicts, and im thinking of sub saharan africa, this region where you have this conflict between the nomadic tribes and the, and the farmers over a possible lands and resources of water. Now, oftentimes the you and other International Agencies try to step into help. But ultimately the problem was not necessarily the fight between the 2 overland. It was Climate Change. Do you see the same thing here . Applying to both biggest antarctic has done you will certainly Climate Change as having a very negative back on this. Ready era and more generally across central asia. So yes, i would say that thats certainly one of the factors. I think that you cant forget about the fact that this conflict has been building. Certainly we already heard its been 70 years at least. Ready where this is flared up, but its certainly in the last 15 years because theyre independent states now. It has been growing in intensity. So even before Climate Change was a big issue, there was already carol was already boiling, so to speak. So yeah, i cant, i cant, you know, a scribe. It purely to Climate Change. Climate change complicates the situation that was already developing and that reason the okay, i did k guess that has been of the view that its the fine with the idea of drawing a line of the state border by the actual use following the agreement that was signed in 1991 of 1994, something which has been rejected all the time by hazardous dancing that no the other option would be to delimit the disputed territories. In half, you have your own agrarian reforms, more liberal than the ones in tech, is that however you do understand that by the tactic law, theres absolutely no way for foreign nationals, particularly the caregiver can move forward to acquire use, manage the land on the other side, of the border, ultimately were talking about an almost impossible scenario. Were curious on these not interested in taking somebodys land. We just want to fair, which is also a historically fair, a border deal. And certainly, you know, the 2 governments have to intensify those discussions and finalize them. We saw that it is possible to achieve such results here you found in the biggest down, for example, when new president new york came into power. They, the 2 countries moved their, their fast to actually finalize the board to do mutation and demarkation process. And between the 2 countries within a very short period of time, there was a pretty record piece on the lease. And we were hoping that this result would encourage such a process with them, but that hasnt happened. And we believe that the problem is actually with the top leadership of that im not willing to make compromises for sure. We have to leave it there. 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