Comment. Good afternoon, commissioners long time. Im here to request a continuous in item 21 on item 21. The united to save the Mission Group has asked for the d. R. To be considered and we are a volunteer organization and we divide up the work and kevin actually had this assignment. I dont feel that i could do it justice. He is out of town in l. A. For an unavoidable conflict of scheduling. Im asking that could be delayed until next session or whenever is convenient to you because i dont feel i could do it justice as he could. Next speaker, please. Overhead, please. His to hester. I am speaking on continuance of item number one which is the academy of arts. Advance calendar shows you only have a four Member Commission on november 21st. So that is a four Member Commission. I am handing in a list of the people who participated as commissioners and items regarding academy of art. Academy of art hearings have been going on for a long time at the Planning Commission, since 2006. So the first time that any of the current supervisors shows up is, pardon me, commissioner moore in 2010, in enforcement actions. The next time a commissioner shows up on there is commissioner richards in 2015. The rest of you dribbled on, pardon me, in 2018. So the amount of papers that you have to review is about 5,000. Im not kidding you. The e. I. R. Things are like 2,000 pages itself. The only notice that was given in the newspaper was given on october 16th. Heres a notice from the paper. It doesnt reference Development Agreement or how to find anything, but i got an email friday afternoon pardon me, friday the same week at 6 53 p. M. , which is the weekend, saying oh, there is a website. No one knows about this website except to me and people who read the agenda for the continuance because all of a sudden all of a sudden it is in there. Here is what is in the notes. So i am asking you, please continue this one meeting, which is the 12 of december. And ad in the paper next wednesday giving the website address. It is contentious of the public to put it mildly to not have access to a secret website. I dont know if the Planning Commissioners have been told about this. The sight is sfplanning. Org academy. It will have all the documents you need when considering this case. It was really unfortunate. It is unfortunate the people who have and the Planning Commissioners who have really dug in on academy to have an opportunity to talk. We dont have the Development Agreement except i have it because i downloaded all of it, but it shouldnt be me only giving my comments. And here is the schedule of who has appeared. Would you give this up, jonas . Thank you. Next speaker, please. Marlene morgan, then this neighbors coalition. I would also like to support her a request for continuance. Our coalition is interested in commenting extensively on this project. The proposal is to move most of the institutional impacts on the van ness avenue and the surrounding corridors, which we are, in general, feel very positive about because we feel it is a large institutional transit corridor they can take, but theres a lot of details around each building and each cites that we would want to comment on. We would also want to repair prepare a document and bring speakers. We would really very much appreciate an extension until december 12th. Thank you. Thank you. I do have another public speaker card. And then anyone else who wants to provide Public Comment on the continuance calendar, please do so now. [calling names] thank you. Im sorry about my dress, i was literally notified of this yesterday and given notice this morning. I am a Property Owner at 1834, 1836, 1842 rove street. To let you know, i find a very interesting. I have been working in construction and Building Development for the better part of 35 years. This first time yesterday that i heard about this project. I have not received any notification of it. I find it very interesting. The lady before me this is about the continuance yes. That is correct. I am asking i will reemphasize the continuance on that, and also just to let you know, there are many neighbors, i assume, in addition to myself, who have not been notified. I find it very interesting after 35 years of doing this business i am a construction worker. I left the job site today to let you know. Having two properties in four different unit numbers on grove street and not receive anything except by a neighbor is very irregular. I have done projects myself. In fact, 1840 and 1842. We purchased that from the city of San Francisco as a condemned project. We went through every single notification we could could to provide good housing for people. I find it amazingly surprising, interesting that with two different properties, the probability of not receiving notice is staggering. Thats all. Thank you very much. Any other Public Comment on the items on the continuance calendar . My name is joey. Item 21 is not on the continuance calendar. Someone came up and spoke about it. We have not made a motion to continue that. It is not on the continuance calendar. Not item 21. But it was a requested continuance of item 21. I dont believe staff is in support the d. R. Was notified and agreed to this date two months ago. Right. I just wanted to clarify. I will be recusing myself from that item because the d. R. Requester i am his supervisor so if you wouldnt mind, i have asked my colleague to take that motion, if there is a motion, separately from the continuance calendar. We will move on the continuance calendar first, then if you want to provide Public Comment for the continuance of item 21, you can do that when i can when i am out of the room. Is that okay . That is good. Thank you. Okay. Public comment is closed on the continuance calendar. Is there somebody else who wants to speak . Come on up. I would just request that 1846 grove Street Project be on the calendar. It is on the calendar. Well, it is on the continuance calendar, so unless you dont continue it, thats the only way it can be heard today. You wanted heard . Yes, please. I am a resident on the 1800 block of fulton street. This project affects me directly thank you. Thank you. Any other Public Comment . Okay. Director ram, did you want to Say Something . Commissioner koppel . Commissioner richards . So what is the story on the grove Street Project . Why does staff want it continued we have it listed as a continuance. I dont know the reason for the continuance, but i think there are members of the public that arent support that are supportive of continuing it as well. We would have the hearing on december 12th if we were to continue it. It would be almost impossible to hear because we dont have the material. Yes. Okay. Somebody needs to make a motion and that is it. Commissioner koppel . Motion to continue items one, two, three, five, and 14. So number one until the time when there is only four of us here on the 21st of november . I am okay with changing the date. I dont think a four Member Commission is a good idea on such a big item. Do you have an alternate date commissioner his, if i may say, item one, that is the date has been requested by staff and working with the citys attorney office. We do have milestones as part of our Development Agreement and part of the settlement, so the preferred date would be the date that is selected on the calendar there. If the commission needs additional time, then it can be continued, but we do respectfully requests the commission continue to the date we have identified so we can keep moving on this law ongoing project on this ongoing project. Im okay with that. Commissioner moore . I would like to ask that everyone speaks more clearly into the microphone. I could hardly hear you, mr. Sanchez. We all need to make an attempt to speak louder. I sometimes listen to the recordings and it is impossible to hear what we are saying. We need to share the responsibility. Is there a second to the motion . Second. On that motion to continue all items as proposed. [roll call] so moved. That motion passes 651. Okay. Commissioners, i am asking you recuse me from the next item. It would be necessary for the commission to show a desire to consider the continuance at this time because it is not on the continuance calendar, and generally we take these matters up as they are called. Commissioner richards . I expressed a desire to continue item 21 and if you make a motion to recuse yourself, i will make it for you. Okay. Thank you. The d. R. Requester is supervised by me so because of the appearance, i would like to recuse myself. Second. Who made the motion . I made it. Thank you. On the motion to recuse commissioner melgar. [roll call] so moved. That motion passes unanimously 6 0. Now you can take of the matter of item 21. There are speakers appear. Commissioner richards . Can recall speakers in support or against item 21 being continued . There was one person. Members of the public would like to publicly comment on the continuance, only on the matter of continuance. Dont you call us first . My name is joey and i am the project sponsor for item number 21 and we have been planning on this date for months. I have all my supporters lined up to come today and i run a Small Business. It would be a hardship for me to continue this any further. I have been working on this process for about 14 months and it is taxing on a Small Business owner. I would appreciate if we really just continue it and do the hearing today as scheduled when my family and my supporters will be coming. Thank you. Thank you. Does anyone else want to comment on the potential continuance of this item . I am a neighbor to this project. I moved on 20th in 1984 and now i am on 20th and bryant. The business that joey is running is exactly what we are talking about. You used to be a garage where i used to get my motorcycle fixed. Hes to let me use his tools back in the 80s, now it is an entertainment venue for rentals of up to 100 people coming and partying there. There is no signage on the outside indicating what is going on there. I think it requires more investigation of what is going on behind that door, and it wouldnt be fair for you to make a judgement today without knowing that information, and unfortunately i cannot present as much as i would like to because i just got this case this morning. So i apologize to joey that it is last minute, but it is an important situation in our neighborhood to know what is going on behind to those doors. It is certainly not production, distribution, or repair. It is partying. If you went on his website, you will see all sorts of entertainment of how you can rent the place for corporate parties. That is not what the p. D. R. Usage was approved for. I would actually like the Planning Department to investigate what exactly are the permits that he has pulled. It is a big item for our small neighborhood. Shotwell is a very small street. This is not the kind of usage that any of us had ever heard of , and they taking down the sign. We dont know what is going on in there. You already got to speak. Anyone else from the public want to comment on a potential continuance . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioner moore . I received sufficient number of emails to question that this project has been properly vetted by those who have concerns about it. I want to give them the voice in front of us, particularly because the continued displacement of p. D. R. It should be a concern to all of us. I would like to support it continuance and feel comfortable pushing it out. To what date . That is our secretarys call to make. We can continue it one week until november 14th. Second. Okay. I am comfortable with the 14 th. On that motion to continue item 21 to november 14th. [roll call] that motion passes 32. Commissioners, that will place is under your consent calendar. All matters listed here constitute the consent calendar are considered to be routine by the Planning Commission and maybe acted upon bicycle roll call vote of the commission. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the commission, public, or staff so requests, in which item in which event the matter shall be removed from the consent calendar. Item six is 57 wentworth street, conditional use authorization. Item seven is for 27 baden street, conditional use authorization item seven is 427 baden street, conditional use authorization. I have one person who wants to pull this off of consent. Commissioner moore . I would like to pull number seven off the consent calendar. I have a technical question and i think the commission will be interested to hear my question. Okay. Commissioner koppel . Motion to approve item number six. Second. Thank you, commissioners. On that motion to approve item six under your consent calendar, [roll call] so moved. That motion passes unanimously. We will consider item seven at the beginning of the consent calendar. Very good. Placing as under commission matters, number eight. Consideration of Adoption Draft minutes for october 17th with the joint hearing with recreation and park, draft meetings for october 17th regular hearing, and the draft minutes for october 24th regular hearing. Okay. Do you have comment . Good afternoon, commissioners on the 24th, item 19, it says i supported the conditional use, that is technically not correct. I supported a change in the design back to the original design and the addition of an a. D. U. Here are my comments as i submitted to the planner. In fact, sheet included in her staff report that i was supposed , too. It is an odd thing but it is not technically support technically correct. Item 19 on the 24th. So you were neutral . I want how did i put it . I think it is inefficient use of space. That is what i said. Were you in support or opposition to the project . Opposition to what is proposed by the project sponsor with the layout. There is what i submitted at the time. Thank you very much. Thank you. Any other Public Comment on the minutes . Okay. Public comment is closed. Commissioner richards . Commissioner koppel . Motion to approve draft minutes for october 17th with the joint hearing, 17th regular hearing, and october 24 th. Second. As amended. Second. Very good, commissioners. On that motion to adopt the minutes as corrected. [roll call] so moved, commissioners. That motion passes unanimously 6 0. Placing is on item nine, commission comments and questions. Commissioner richards . I received several calls, actually about half a dozen from citizens with their hair on fire because apparently the email that has been going around last monday they discussed Additional Party Development Areas in the source of a handout that he had. I believe he was supposed to be speaking on an a. D. U. , but i think it is a promising, interesting development. I think the department should have a hearing on this and tell us what pdas are so we can put the fire out on everybodys here about what will happen to their neighborhood because we are already just jumping to conclusions about dystopia. Commissioner koppel . I attended a seminar this morning where we were talking to the building owners and Managers Association downtown about bringing their buildings up to compliance with Climate Change goals and sustainability goals. As you know, transportation and buildings are the two largest causes of Greenhouse Gas emissions in the Climate Change situation we have and it is starting to take motion. The city is targeting to be a net Net Zero Energy by 2050. We have about 31 years to get there, but architects, engineers , designers, when you are designing these new buildings, they will not have gas in them. Everything will be electric. Please adjust everything accordingly because this is where things are going. Thank you very much. If theres nothing further, item 10, planning director recruitment and hiring process. This is on your agenda for your endorsement. Thank you. So im going to prevent present an update to us about what has transpired since our last open Public Session where we solicited the publics input to us about the vacation the qualifications, the vision, our dream for the next planning director who will come, but never replace, director ram who is leaving us early next year to retire. So in september you may remember we had an open hearing and we had hours of comment. Subsequently i received, and we all received comments from the public, you know, just being more thorough about the qualifications that we wanted to see. At the hearing i stated to the public and committed that we would incorporate the feedback into a job description, which i did. And then i started working with our department of human resources, and we do have a couple of representatives here from d. H. R. Who i have been interacting with and been supported by who have been amazing and wonderful. Thank you so much for all your support, d. H. R. So what we did is, working with d. H. R. , the description was posted. It was posted for 21 days and closed on october 18th. We had 19 applicants, of which 18 were qualified. Two not as qualified, but 18 qualified in total. I just want to pause and compare that to last time when we hired for your position, recruited for your position where we hired a search firm and we have six qualified applicants. So i think we are doing okay. There is a lot of excitement and interest in this position and i think it is due to the wonderful job that director ram has done in elevating this position and the importance that it now carries. Thank you so much. There was a request that was made by aaron hyland who is the president of the Historic Preservation commission to be part of the process. Now the charter gives this commission the charge of taking the process through and recommending the top three candidates to the mayor. The charter does not say anything about the Historic Preservation commission, however , because this position will be working closely with the Historic Preservation commission , i have reached out to our City Attorney and asked if that was okay. So it is. After pulling my fellow commissioners, we decided to include commissioner hyland, although he will not be voting. He will be included in the process going forward. In the proposal going forward, we will read through the resumes that have been submitted. I have not yet seen them, nobody has seen them, after we all sign a confidentiality agreement, and that we take the fairness in hiring Training Provided from d. H. R. By november 14th, fellow commissioners. And then on november 14th, november 12th, november 14th we will have a closed session starting in the morning at 9 00 a. M. , and we will look and at all the resumes, deliberate according to the qualifications that we have agreed upon, and decide whom to interview. We will come up with questions on that day and then we will schedule interviews on the second closed session which is december 5th in the morning as well. That is the proposal. On december 5th, after we do the interviews, still in closed session, we will deliberate as to the most qualified applicants that we want to send over to the mayor for her review and decision. So that is the proposal, and the report of what has happened so far. We have been advised by the City Attorney that we need to act on this proposal formally, make a decision and say, yeah, this is what we are going to do, and make that transparent to the public, even though, for obvious reasons, this is an h. R. Issue and we will hold interviews in closed session. Thank you so much for your patience and your input into this process and especially to the public, and to the staff at the Planning Department who very much engaged in the process and gave us feedback about what they wanted to see. Thank you. I just want to make one clarifying point. None of you will. Speak into the microphone. None of you will be able will be required to sign confidentially confidentiality agreements, only commissioner hyland and the personnel matter, you are already subject to confidentiality or a personal Matter Associated with this. We are forbidden to speak to anyone about this matter. Thank you for the clarification. Commissioner richards . A process question. Will we be able to review the 18 resumes before the hearing in closed session . Will we get to take them home or over coffee look at them . I have requested from d. H. R. , if shawn can come up and explain to us how that will happen, i would appreciate that. Good afternoon, commissioners i am with the Citys Department of human resources. I want to say thank you to president melgar and two commission secretaries. You have been instrumental in working with us and we are at a very good place at this point. If the commissioners would like to have the applications and application materials in advance , the only condition we have is that we honor the mayor s directive that the fairness in hiring training be completed. So if you want them beforehand, that would be the only condition that we have. We actually already have the materials prepared for the 14 th, but if the commissioners would like them earlier, we can certainly work with president elgar and work with the Commission Secretary. Thank you so much. Is that clear . Thank you. Commissioner fung . I dont see how we can meet without having review the materials beforehand. I also have a request since i will not be here of the Commission Hearing on November November 7th, can we postpone that hearing to the week before december 5th . Im sorry, do you mean december 5th that you will not be here . Excuse me if i said december 7th, i meant november 7th. Today is november 7th. I must be losing it. [laughter] the 14th was scheduled for closed session and i will not be here for that meeting. So can you propose a different date . Commissioners, if we push out the closed session that is scheduled for november 14th, november 21st, commissioner moore and commissioner fung are scheduled to be out. Do we have an advanced calendar . Can reconsider monday or tuesday, november 25th or 206 th . That would be up to the other commissioners. We carefully considered these dates, commissioner fung, based on the fact that were down a commissioner, and theres a commissioner missing and pretty much every meeting from now until then, and we have both thanksgiving, and then after december 5th, christmas and new years holiday. So i think that we can talk about another closed session on another date. Just be mindful that this was after looking at the calendar and the crew requests formally for leave for several commissioners. Commissioner moore . I just wanted to support the idea that distributing the resumes ahead of time is essential. When you really carefully go over the hiring training, which i already did, you really have to figure out how you approach this whole thing. It is not just, okay, turning a couple of pages. You have to be very thoughtful on that. The instructions are quite specific. They are rigorous in a certain way. I do think it takes a large table for anyone at home to spread this out and spend time on it. Commissioner fung . Just a last point on the day. Having recently gone through the Selection Process for the director of the board of appeals , it was an important step that we had where the commissioners were able to meet and discuss because the viewpoints, perhaps are a little bit different, the commissioners could be bringing up things that one wouldnt have necessarily seen in a resume, and thereforeo discuss the resumes is an important action. Sasha question four commissioner fung. You had an issue with the 14th and im looking at the advanced calendar here online, but you are out to the 21st. Am i missing something . That is correct. So you will be here on the 14 th. I will not be here on the 14 th. These do not reflect that. That is why i am asking. Commissioner moore . I want to pick up on the comment of having 16 resumes, which is a very large number. A number of years ago, over a decade ago when, among others, director ram was being considered, the number of resumes we looked at was far larger than 16, actually. The only thing is we narrowed it down to six for consideration, and not im not trying to debate you, im just trying to point to the fact that the discussion to narrow it down from a large number, over 10, 26 , took more than one discussion and one meeting among the commissioners at that time. Those should be rigorous in support of what commissioner fung is saying in his own expands with the director director. Those discussions should give a time, and we are all notch that versed talking freely each other in critical matters, but i would give it potentially more than one meeting given the number of resumes that you are identifying to be heard. Commissioners, to reiterate the point that mr. Sherburne made, we will receive the resumes when we have all completed the training. So it is really up to us when we will receive them that there are several outstanding certificates that are being waited for by jonas. So we could all, as part of the process, proposed a date by which everyone commits to doing the training and forwarding the certificates to jonas. If you feel that november 12th is too late, that only two days is not sufficient for people to look at the resumes and then come to discuss them. So we could, one of you could propose an earlier date, and then we would all have to commit to getting it done by that date. Commissioner koppel . Just a thought to keep the timeline of this where it is at right now, we all know things take time and continuances can lead to other continuances, and i was just throwing ideas out there. Is there a way people can participate in this remotely . Commissioner fung . I will check into that. A point of clarification for us for d. H. R. Is does everybody have to have completed this before any information is released or can it be released to those who have completed it already . Mr. Sherburne, please . The mayors directive is quite clear that any panel would need to have completed the training. So as i understand it, the training is about 15 minutes long and, about 15 to 20 minutes long, and then the certificate can be forwarded to the Commission Secretary and we would be happy to present the materials, which are already prepared. Thank you. Commissioner johnson . First, i would really like to thank you, president mel garre, for all the work you have done in collaboration with staff, with the department of human resources, and for the transparency of this process that is happening in realtime fr all of you watching at home and also for all of you in the audience. I am really appreciating this conversation. I think given the information that it will take 15 minutes, i for comfortable too committing to finishing the training by friday so that we can get resumes out as soon as possible so people can have time to review them. I would love to hear if my fellow commissioners feel comfortable with that. I hear a question about whether or not we might need to meet more than twice to be able to complete this process. So i think we should, if we have specific comments about that, just to be clear about whether or not we want to meet more than that. And then finally i also heard that there was a potential need of some sort of motion or decision making. So clarity about how we initiate and move this process. They would need to be a motion. There actually is no resolution or motion, written motion, but an endorsement why the commission will need to occur, but we should also take Public Comment. Yes. Commissioner moore . I can only assure everyone who has not taken it that it is easy to take. It is very thoroughly done. You just need to Pay Attention to what you are being asked to consider. Sometimes that requires going back by a slide or two because certain things seem to kind of okay, ive got it, and then you realize you havent got it. It does not take more than 30 minutes, even if you flip back to between slides. Thank you. Commissioner richards . Question on the process. We are proposed to meeting closed session on the 14th and then december 5th. And it is like 10 in the morning until noon . Is there a time box we . We are targeting a 9 00 a. M. Start because you have regular hearing scheduled on both of those days but i would expect that the closed sessions would run longer than noon or even 1 00 p. M. And what impact the start of your regular hearings. There is no hard time. Im glad because this is a big decision. To say we have to do it within two hours and come up with somebody, i dont feel comfortable doing that. I do feel the need to have all commissioners voices heard and i do support commissioner fung too desire to weigh in. I dont know whether there is a way he can get the resumes in advance and do a selfselection and get them to the president in order to speed things up, but i do definitely want to hear your opinion, commissioner fung. Let me just clarify what i have heard. So the two issues that have been raised was one about having enough time to look at the resumes, and we have all committed to getting the certificate in by the eighth, in the morning . Tomorrow, and so that mr. Sherburne can forward the resumes through jonas. So thats the first issue. I hope that thats okay. The second issue is about participation from all members of the commission. I heard commissioner fung saying he will not be here the 14th or the 21 and i know that commissioner johnson and commissioner johnson will be gone on the 201st. The following are meeting week is thanksgiving so we will not meet and the week after that we already have a closed session that has been proposed for interview, but we could have that be or a second closed session to look at the review and discuss the resume, which would then push us back an additional week for interviews, which would be the 12th. I just want to be clear that if we are going this way, you know, that it just pushes the timeline and by this time, folks have been waiting for a month who have applied for this job. Did you want to Say Something, mr. Sherburne . We have reached out many of the candidates. Many of them who have to travel. We would just want to communicate in advance whether a decision can be made here or shortly thereafter so we can continue to engage them. As we push closer to the december holidays, travel plans can very much become a factor for all of them. We will help work with any of those candidates to do that, but i am a little concerned if we push into middle of december that there could be a conflict there. Thank you. And that concerns me, too, commissioners because there is a market for candidates and there are other municipalities and organizations hiring for candidates that have similar qualifications and i dont want to lose our best candidates, but commissioner richards . My mother turns 95 on december 13th. I probably wont be here on the 12th. Im trying to be here every Commission Hearing, but, you know. Yes. [please stand by] commissioner moore . I would like to share my own experience. I sit on the board when Board Members call in. I edevastate that to commissioners and it is an absolute disaster because the ability to stay in a conversation by eye contact and know whats in the room makes those things extremely difficult no matter how accommodating were to the people on the phone. I would strongly recommend against it because you need to participate in a three dimensional conversation. Commissioner fung. If theres no other options, then i will have to do my review and forward my comments to the Commission Secretary. But i would raise one additional point and that is, there is a potential seventh commissioner and if it all possible, we should integrate the next commissioner as a part of this discussion. Thank you, commissioner. So the potential seventh commissioner would be seated by december 5th, which is the time of well, if she gets through the process as expected, by the time we interview. Commissioner richards . I move to commissioner richards im sorry to interrupt, but we should take Public Comment. We will now take Public Comment on this item. Any member of the public who wants to put in their two cents worth, please come up now. Im troubled by the fact there was mooing n nothing in wn advance for any of us to see. This is the biggest decision youll make for the commission. The city has a real housing problem, a Real Development problem and people need to be assured that the candidates that youre interviewing really understand the context of this city, not only the Development Pressures but the pressures on the real people that live here. And so, im not really secon san about what im hearing. Im not kidding you if you will swear that you read them, academy of art, you have to read a couple thousand pages of documents in the next two weeks. Youre going to read those and all of the resumes and consult them yourself and im not sure youll get a good candidate through this process. So i would urge you to think through, to slow down just a tad, the fact that mr. Fung has been in the process for hiring the ed at the board of appeals and miss moore was involved in the process that resulted in mr. Ram is reassuring because they have experience in doing this. I dont know how much experience the rest of you have had with hiring a bureaucrat thats really important for the governance to see. Board of planning is huge and its not reassuring to hear this conversation and i say, slow down. Thank you. I think you need real input from mr. Fung is miss moore. Thank you. Thank you. Any other Public Comment on this item . Public comment is closed. Commissioner moore . Since we are shorthanded and have experienced kind of what we want, and im not saying we uniformly agree, im saying we find every possible avenue that we are together, do it encouragely and do it with just the right pacing that we consider to be sufficient to make a highly, responsible and longterm decision on who is next and do it all with a full understanding that we are only making recommendations, nothing more than that, but those recommendations have to be as thorough and as thoroughly vetted as we possibly can. And i do hear the public saying, dont rush it. I myself feel that there has been a tendency to rush it and obviously reasons why because we are still shorthanded in adding another new commissioner who does not know us, has not worked with us will not help us to make a better decision. It will help us numerically to have one additional vote but it will not improve of what we are sitting here, responsible to do by ourselves. Thank you, commissioner kop particular le. Particulakopple. Lets be honest, the people apply maybe have jobs and in an awkward position, not wanting their current employers find out about this and i dont want us to stretch things out too far and lose what could be good, credible candidates for the position. Commissioner moore . Let me make a counterpoint to your observation which i respect. Becoming a planning director in San Francisco is probably one of the most highly coveted positions in the entire united states. So anybody who really wants it is not going to wager one way or another. Theyll stick it through and figure out how to get the job. So i am not concerned somebody jumping off. The only thing is, and i agree with you, dont push it too close to the holidays because travel is impossible if there are as many from people out of town, we should give them the opportunity to have a comfortable time to come and go. Commissioner richards. The one awkward thing that i see with this schedule is should the new commissioner be seated to december 5th, we dont have a been of the give and take that she or he would have given us november 14th. And so, that person would splash in here and we would have to start trying to understand where he or she is coming from and it just feels weird. It doesnt give us the optimum outcome, i think. Commissioner fung . My last suggestion on the potential schedule would be as follows, for the closed session of discussion of potential candidates would be that monday before december 5th and then to have the interview the following week, early that week so were not stretching it into the 12th. So have that be decembe december 2nd. The early possible date that a new commissioner can be seated is october 21. So there will be time for her to at least review some resumes, i think. Let me make a couple of points because i have put a lot of work into this process and i do have experience hiring executivelevel positions, including the director of dbi and several other executive positions within the city and also in the private sector that, despite this being a very visible position and very desired, we are in competition with other municipalities, some of whom pay better than this position and also have an easier Political Climate than this position. So i am not agreeing that folks will necessarily stick it out. I think, actually, some of the best folks may not hang with us if we stretch it out too long. But that being said, i do think that we should do a thorough job and include as many voices as possible. We have gone through Great Lengths to include the staff and the comment of the public, all different sectors in the public. But im also mindful to to extend the timing we lose candidates and have them not be available because of travel plans during the holidays. Commissioner fung . No, i already spoke. Commissioner moore . You suggested december 2n december 2nd is that what i heard you say . That was commissioner fung. I am not available in december. Thank you, just clarifying. May i suggest another way of looking at this is that maybe we can do two closed sessions to review resumes and not Everyone Needs to participate in both sessions, but if enough of us participate and remember what commissioners have to say, that would allow us, if we do the 14th, the 21st and also the 2nd, we could commissioner fung had suggested the 2nd, also. We could just sort of evolve the conversation and enough of us can be there to sort of progress and that will give us three dates by which at least all of us have participated once. That is a suggestion before we come in on the 5th and the new commissioner can participate in those sessions which is the 21st and the 2nd. If we t to go that route, you have to assemble a quorum. So it couldnt be one or two commissioners. Thank you. Commissioner kopple . Just factually, im not available on the 2nd. So that means we have no quorum for that day. I am. Ok. Im not. But i think that leaves us without quorum so only three. , maybe four. Commissioner johnson . Is it possible to do the 14th, the 21st and the 25th . And then do interviews
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