Am happy to get those for you and pass that question along to him as well. Let me be clear the way this is being representative is that the quartermile does apply where there is a named street but does not apply when there is a named area, a defined area . In other words, you are saying it would apply it would not apply to third street, but it would apply to haight street. It would apply, for an since it would not apply to the mission alcohol special use district because that is a big defined geographical region. Would it apply theres a whole number of these, i assume it would apply to lower old because it is a name street . It is the exception generally speaking. The others do not state a quartermile requirement. Stating the quartermile explicitly, whether or not the boundaries closely track the neighborhood commercial district boundaries. Those are irrelevant elements. These are limited to the alcohol restrictive use district. This interpretation does not, so for red that is not alcohol that is partly overlapping with a neighborhood commercial district, or not. It is lack of who you get at the planning desk, this point. This is confusing stuff that gets more confusing the more you look into it. Which is why i think bringing clarity to it is critical. Let me restate this. As to ones who track, the quartermile does apply. As to those that dont, the quartermile does not apply. It does not apply to third street. It does not apply to the mission, but it does apply, he references here, the three most recent, 2009 interpretation. In those cases we would be taking away the quartermile buffer; correct . In the three most recent this is as of july, 2009, a decade ago. I am hesitant to say how to treat those other ones. Again, given what the boundaries look like. I dont know how the Zoning Administrator would apply this interpretation to those other ones. For the ones where the conclusion, because they fail both of those elements. They are broader than the boundaries of the commercial district and there is no stated quartermile requirement. Heres where im trying to go. In some cases we are not taking away a buffer zone, because pursuant to this interpretation it did not exist. Because it is coterminous and it does track with the ncd. As to those, it seems to me that in so far as we are taking away protection, if you will, that the supervisors who represent those districts say yes, i wanted taken away or alternatively, we can make it more explicit and use that actual language that is in to hate and we could added to those districts so that no planner has to go, is that this or is that that . The planner will open it up and look at the table and they will say, sorry, you cannot do the alcohol at that location, right . What would be helpful would be if we figure out which one does not apply to the mission. As for the others, if you want to keep the quartermile, because this interpretation says you have the quartermile, we will make it abundantly clear we will write it into lower polk and we will write it into, if supervisor brown wanted taken out of haight street, that seems to me the right way to go. It makes it very clear for planners area gives applicants a very clear understanding when they come to the counter for a preapplication meeting. Write down which ones they are. Im happy to go down the hall and i will say supervisor, from this district you want part of my language, you dont want it, going, going, gone. As to bona fide, i think we should pursue the same thing. Look, i represent a destination, no matter what corridor come i think that bona fide definition is important. I was a member of the board of supervisors, i reference this earlier when we had to do special appropriations to the Sheriffs Department so they could bring, i kid you not, a sheriffs a bus because there were so many fight on broadway that rather than having cops take 70 down to bryant street, they would load them into the bus and take the entire bus down to bryant street. Thankfully things are better today. That was a function of people consuming too much alcohol with not enough food. Although, i dont want you to speculate. Those would be my friendly suggestions to my colleagues on this panel. I would see mr. Gartner would like to jump in. Just generally on the question of how to potentially amend either of these sections. I just want to caution the board against amending, or zoning by district. We have done that if you times before. There are several reasons you should not do this. District boundaries are going to change and about 253 years. Second, all of those factors that are not landuse related, including some factors based on rates that would be an appropriate for landuse considerations. Counselor, what i was going to say is we would just do them as they are in the code. We would name them, for instance if we were doing bona fide eating exemption places, we would call them a commercial district. [inaudible] along those lines, two other pieces area one is, i dont know whether there are bona fide eating and forgetting the acronym. Or nighttime entertainment places. Not in the commercial corridors that are named in the proposed amendment. That is just something to consider. Perhaps the second piece of this is i have lost it. Dont worry. By the way, if you dont know the answer, its okay. I dont have exact numbers on the fly, as you said. Districts not named in any district. I want to make sure that is understood. Not only are there nonnamed and sees, but there also the potential that there would be a new creation of a named in the future. Just a reminder if this were to be amended to include these as specifically named, this section we need to be amended every time we do create or rename. That is all i was going to contribute. Thank you. All right, colleagues, what is the will of this body. I am happy to work with the sponsors office and oh ew need to go down the hall and list them out and see who wants what. I think some supervisors will have very clear ideas of what their constituents, both residents and merchants desire and some will, whether it is to opt in, or not opt in and others well, i assume as is the case, i have been told for our colleague from the Richmond District will want a little bit of time to do some work with her constituents. Supervisor brown . I just want to say that the districts that were the most supportive two, six, seven and eight were the most supportive on this area i dont want to, for my district, list out the commercial corridors like japan town and that. I am just worried about doing Something Like that would have unintended consequences. Im not willing to do that if we are going to say, its just district 5, i wanted to be district 5 across the board. I know that makes it very difficult for us to do this for other districts. I think, be advised that deputy City Attorney gave we should not do this by supervisorial district lines. Right. There are a couple of different ways to address it. You can aim commercial corridors or commercial districts. You could draw zone, not saying district 5, but a zone that the board spells out in this ordinance. Any zoning ordinance, the board needs to be able to articulate a landuse justification for drawing the lines where you draw them. A justification that is not simply this matches the current supervisorial district. We, and planning, could work with you on figuring out how to draw the appropriate area to capture the neighborhood you want to capture. Okay. Yeah, because i am a little bit, you know, i just think that is kind of a i think it is a hodgepodge. It is very confusing for people. What im trying to do is make it easier, and much more acrosstheboard. So, you know, i think that definitely, chair peskin, going and talking to other supervisors and letting them know exactly what this means for the district is fine. But, like i have said, i have a majority of supporters, supporting, and the other few supervisors come i think yes, they definitely need to have more information because it is confusing for everyone. Thank you. Can we endeavor to do that over the next week or two and see if we can get consensus . I absolutely will do that. All right, so, what is the makers preference, a two week continuance . I think that is probably the best. Just so we can nail everything down and make sure that all of the supervisors are clear of what they would like to see in there district and then moving forward to make sure that we are very clear citywide also. I am happy to participate in that. Without objection, i will make a motion to continue this to the meeting of july 22. Real quick for you go to the next item. I want to say for the supervisors edification. When we have worked on a number of different controls we have done it just by the commercial districts. I think you are saying the same thing as a City Attorney and what supervisor peskin says. For the purposes other than any unnamed ncd or lc you that might arise, this did not out ends up accomplishing the same thing. You get the districts and thereby listing out the affected areas. I think that is probably the best way to do it. I appreciate that opportunity. I just want to say, for the record, myself and supervisor tang did something similar in terms of her removing the controls and restrictions for our district. Part of the reason we did it by four hour commercial corridors in our districts, was to lay the groundwork for this here today. I think you are taking on a big in denver and ever and youve got the attention of supervisor peskin. He is fully engaged on the issue now. I think in the next two weeks we will come with some final amendments that will then have us a very close to the finish line. I appreciate your patience on this. Without objection we will continue this to july 22. Lets move on to supervisor browns next piece of legislation. [reading items] thank you. Today im introducing legislation to really address our plastic and zero waste. San francisco has been a leader on plastic and zero waste for more than a decade. Since we passed the first elastic band in the country over a decade ago, countless jurisdictions have joined the effort. In our city and across the country, waste generation is still growing. We generate some 3,000,000 tons of waste per year, and more every year. We are recycling, we are composting, we are doing an amazing job on that. But we are never going to achieve our zero waste goals if we do not accept that we need to make a deeper change. We need to change the way we live, consume, and generate waste. We have helped lead recycling revolution, San Francisco, i am very proud of that. Now we need to lead the country again. We need to make reuse the new recycle. This legislation proposes to simple changes. Increasing the checkout bag charge in San Francisco from point one zero up to a quarter. Jurisdictions that have increased their bag charge in a similar fashion have seen big jumps in the number of people refusing disposable checkout bags. It has been seven years since our bag charge took effective. It is due for an update. As the world faces a growing trash problem, not just plastic, but all trash, recycling is not cutting it. We are not trying to punish anyone with this increased bag fee. This is actually a global issue. One where the whole world is asking, how are we going to deal with our trash, including recycling. Since many countries have said, no. I think indonesia was the last one to accepting our trash and recycling, what are we going to do . The answer is that we need to shift away from this plastic culture, of convenience, and disposability to one where we just use. And today we have the department of environment here. To make a presentation. Thank you supervisor brown for your leadership. Im going to do a brief context setting that talks about what this ordinance does and doesnt do and what we know about behavior in San Francisco right now. This ordinance, this slide is about where we are trying to get to. We need to have a culture here in San Francisco, where its all about reusables at if we cannot do reusables, if we need single use for some reason they need to be compostable paper. At the end of the day its about getting rid of plastic. Finding all of the different ways that it is used in our commercial enterprises to try to find alternatives. You may be thinking, didnt we band the plastic bag already . Why are we here today talking about bags . It turns out that we did band plastic bags, but we band check out single use, then plastic bags. When the state of california adopted this kind of law on a statewide basis, they said, all cities are banned from distributing single use plastic, and instead are able to supply paper or Reusable Bags. What we are seeing now in businesses in San Francisco and around the state is taking that permission as reusable and saying, we are giving out reusable plastic bags. What i have here are two examples of reusable plastic bags and i put reusable in quotes because we have not seen anyone use these bags whenever im at a grocery store, nobody is bringing bag a plastic bag as a reusable item. Instead of reducing the amount of plastic in our stores, we have inadvertently set up a system area are having thicker and more plastic. When you look at what behavior is happening in San Francisco stores. What you will see is about 40 percent of our stores are only offering plastic checkout bags. About 60 percent, 50 percent excuse me are only offering paper bags, and the remaining six or so percent give you a choice of paper plastic. What this is showing, this data is showing while our stores are in compliance with the letter of the law, we are not reducing the amount of plastic that is going into our system. What we are talking about today, as supervisor brown said are two pieces of attack here. One is to change behavior on the checkout backside, and one is to look upstream within the store apri checkout. On the checkout side, we are limited in terms of what we can do, what tools are available to us as a city, because the state law occupies the field for most of the requirements. What we have seen other cities do, both here in the United States in california and around the world. It is understand the bigger the cost, the bigger the price to get a bag, the more people are inspired, if you will, to change their behavior and bring it reusable. A change in the ordinance at that supervisor brown is proposing is to update our charge from 10 up to 25 percent. When this ordinance was passed back in 2012 the supervisors actually foresaw the need and the original language of the checkout band and the charge language thought about putting in a phased approach starting at 10 and going up to 25. We took that out and said lets see how we do at 10 cents and since that time other cities have stepped up and realized that 10 cents is probably not enough. In the state of california alone you have 11 cities saying we are going to go higher 10 of those cities. They feel that is the level they will start to see a behavior change. I want to take a minute and talk about data. It appears that there has been some concern of what do we know and how do we have confidence that changing this value from a 10 cents up to 25 cents is going to get us where we need to go . I want to point out first to the city of santa cruz area they were one of the first to increase from 10 cents up to 25 cents. What they have found in their words, a significant increase in behavior change after they increased the price up to 25 cents. They just finished a survey in the city of santa cruz that shows they have achieved a 90 percent uptake of Reusable Bags. When we look at what happened im sorry. When you say 90 percent uptake. The total penetration is what . So, the way the data i dont know what it was before they implemented the 25 cents. They just gave us a more qualitative view. They did not do a baseline before. What they are finding now is that they can say through survey data, that 90 percent of the time when the person enters a store, they are bringing in a bag. It does delay the need to have some good baseline data. The country of ireland did a similar thing where they started out about, oh gosh, about 21 cents per bag. What was interesting in ireland when they put in their 20 cents per bag they saw a huge change in behavior. Over time people acclimated to that cost of doing business, and there use of Reusable Bags and started to drop off. When they prodded people again with a raise in the fee, they saw the behavior that they wanted again. They saw a drop off of purchase of bags and an increase in using reusable. For our own data in San Francisco. After the ordinance was put in effect after about 2013. We did an informal survey of compliance as well as behavior. We found a rough estimate of about 60 percent. By right to me would be a place that is doing everything correctly from an environmental standpoint. Only 60 percent of the people that come into by right get that five cent discount. They are at about 60 percent uptake. All of that information is feeding into us where we think it is time, we agree with supervisor brown, it is time to revisit this ordinance we had it is time to increase the cost and its also time for us to step back and get the better data ourselves. Before this ordinance goes into effect we will set a baseline, because im not finding baselines in any other city. We will set a baseline and then we will know much more definitively. As i said this is half of what this ordinance does. While we are not the first to increase the fee, or the charge on a bag we are certainly one of these for us to look at these precheckout bags. Anyone that goes into a market today and sees lots of plastic we may see it in the bulk candy section. What this legislation does is it prohibits the distribution of any plaque thick precheckout bag. They cannot be made of plastic. Instead, they need to be compostable, or they need to be paper. Let me just show you the difference here. If they are compostable they need to be green. I went to a grocery store, and this is from whole foods. These are there precheckout bags, they are green, but they are plastic. This is what a compostable checkout bag looks like. It is green, but it feels radically different. It is very important that we do not have green plastic bags, in commerce right now. We want people to do something very specific with this once they got home. People are composting at home and they are putting their food scraps and plastic. They may even put them in bags that were green. Once they get here ecology, that plastic ruins our compost area compost. If they need a produce bag, they take it home, they put their food scraps in it and we have a truly circular economy here, because the food scraps become compost which become food, which comes back to our city. Who is affected . There is a definition of Food Service Establishments and in stores in the ordinance. This will cover Grocery Stores, restaurants, takeouts and food delivery. Produce markets, farmers dockets on specialty stores. This is a fairly wide impact on our local stores. We know that theres going to be a lot of work that needs to be done to educate people. We have our outreach team, our environment now team which already surveyed 1000 stores to understand compliance. They are ready to go out and work with our Small Businesses make sure they understand what is allowed. Reusable bags, which could be reusable produce bag which are really cool and then of course the reusable checkout bags. We are going to be working on developing instore materials. This is a placard that we developed in 2013. So they all have materials that make sense to the people who frequent those doors. We are not stopping there, of course, ultimately we want people to refuse, we want to people to bring in reusable. We dont want people to just pay 25 cents to have a thick plastic bag, or yet another paper bag. So we have a campaign to reach out to make it the thing to do to use reusables. Thank you to the budget process, we have funds now to significantly give out new, Reusable Bags. We will not just be giving them out blindly but asking for pledges and developing positive engagement strategy around the giveaways in the coming year. Ultimately, what we are trying to do is reduce waste generation that is at the heart of what we are trying to do a city. Mayor breed adopted a very bold reduction goals on generation and tackling bags whether they be precheckout or post checkout is a way of bringing to everyones attention the Important Role that each of us as individuals play to have a World Without plastic in a World Without waste. Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor safai . Thank you. The thing i am excited about the most. The reducing of the precheckout bags. One of the things particularly with the up tics in the folks shopping with Delivery Services for groceries, and things that would have never been into plastic, because it is easy, i guess it ends up being easier to throw things and plastic. I think it will be good to see, more use of paper, which is a much more controllable source of reusable and recyclable source he had obviously trying to reduce those when possible and hopefully people still do their own shopping. I think, given these choices you will significantly reduce the amount of plastic bags. I am really excited about that, its very similar to when we did our Plastic Straws are there were other components of that legislation that had less tension that will have a Significant Impact on that. We just had 15 whales wash up and die, and all of them had significant amounts of plastic in their bellies and they were open. Whenever you travel around the world, to go to any beat, i challenge you not to find the pellets of plastic that are washing up that have been dumped into the ocean by countries that were many times taking our plastic with the hopes of them being recycled. The key element is the reduction portion. A lot of people forget about that. Sometimes you have to fight with people at the checkout counter and say i dont want to bag, i can actually carry the stuff out. Its going to be okay. I dont need it. Again, i think its a lot of an educational component. It is something that has vexed me for a long time. I appreciate the precheckout portion of it. I think the more we can educate people to use the cloth, i think the more we have the opportunity to give those out, use some of the money that was put aside in our budget process to continue to hand these out as art of the education process and give people the free bags, i think Reusable Bags, i think that is a really good thing, particularly in the areas where we see the least amount of use of those in different neighborhoods and so on. The more we can do that, i think the better it is a good every time you all have an opportunity education, your tabling, youre always out there. Probably one of the first things to go are the cloth Reusable Bags that you have because everyone loves him so much. As much as we can make that a part of this area im in full support. I would say, you know, the one question i have, is on the legislation itself, right now and you mentioned this. Right now you get a credit for using in certain doors. Your own bags. That is voluntary to the store. Okay. I am wondering what your research has shown in terms of the encouragement of people using their own bags as correlate to getting at least a credit or whatever that might be. Our research. There is a lot of social Science Research about what motivates the behavioral change and the loss of something motivates more than the gain of something. I dont know why human beings are wired that way, but we are. In this case, giving someone five cents versus charging them 25 it has been shown that charging them 25, so the loss of money is a bigger motivator. That is part of the reason that we look at some of the things with cups, and you get five cents off your drink. We are not seeing that is a huge motivator for people. Where as a charge for something, and affirmative loss it motivates people more. What we have not done is done a Detailed Survey of who is doing the affirmative. We knew by writers because they share with us we had one of the interesting things that the state did is it prevented cities of requiring retailers to give us information on their charges. We have no ability to read or that of retailers but we can ask. That will be part of our survey of our baseline that we will ask about so that we understand that the ecosystem of San Francisco more. I am in full support. It will be good to get followup information. Its interesting, as you said. If i use this i get 10 cents less. Although sometimes they forget, right . I mean, if you see that additional 25 cents, i get it. Thank you. I definitely appreciate and support the intent of it, and our creativity and trying to make sure that we continue to reduce the numbers to further in terms of people using plastic bags. So i had a couple of questions about that. You mentioned santa cruz, example, thats not actually shown in the presentation in terms of that study, and their survey. Without any actual data, an increase from 10 cents up to 25 cents changes behavior. I understand why we are doing that, and it feels like it may be based on some studies, or some assumption about behavior. Do we actually have any evidence, if you could say a bit more why just increasing the amount of the people are paying from 1025 cents isnt going to address a significant number of people maybe we could, some of them more Creative Things we are doing in terms of making bags more accessible or education, or those kinds of things. Why is the fee part of it such an important piece of it considering that, in any cases this may be something that is being paid by people who do not have a lot of money. Thank you for that question. I would take that question in two parts. One part, how do we deal about the fact that this is regressive. We have a population that 25 cents means more to than everyone else. That is one very important question. The other question which is a little bit, i think a little bit of what supervisor trent eight was saying, where do we have the confidence will change behavior . On the low income parts, that was actually a big concern when this was adopted in 2012. That is why we chose to start it tense and, there was concerns about that unfair cost. What we did and what we will do again is to very much target where we are giving these bags to those communities that need them most. We will also before this goes into effect we will be looking at, this gets a little bit to your second question of the behavior now, in the fact that there is 10 sent requirement through the state of california, not just in San Francisco. Who is using, who is paying for those bags, and why. And that we are going to do by visiting stores in each of the neighborhoods throughout San Francisco to get a feel for our people and different neighborhoods behaving differently and why, and why do we then get in their hands, if we are finding that lower income neighborhoods are having a less uptake on Reusable Bags. We will be designing our Engagement Campaign to give away those bags get very targeted in those neighborhoods. I would say its very intentional that we are thinking about that disproportionate impact in the whole design. I appreciate the studying that will be happening and the intentionality around the impact. We are doing all of that after we have increased it up to 25 cents. We are not doing this studying in a way that initiate our confidence that this is going to work or the impact is going to be lesser. You mentioned that all of the bags that are going to be given away, etc. I assume we are giving bags away now. Where as we giving them away. Who is using them. I represent the tenderloin. Ive never seen anyone walk into a corner store with one of these bags. What exactly in terms of the folks in my neighborhood, how are we making sure that those folks have access to them, and i appreciate the intentionality around what were going to do moving forward. I assume all of that is going to be done after the fact weve already decided that were in her place where we can use it to 25 cents. I want to be thoughtful in my answer, so im taking a moment to acknowledge the potential impacts on people. This is a challenge in San Francisco constantly. Whenever we make a decision how are we impacting people. When we talk about the tenderloin and we talk about sros, and we have people, my team who are in language, and visiting sros for a number of reasons. We have the ability to distribute bags, we arty have let me do zero waste audits and zero waste work in the tenderloin. I still feel like we are conflating two things. How do we have a confidence this is a worthwhile policy to make and how will it disproportionately impact on how do we mitigate that in the giveaway aspect of it . The how do we know thats going from 10 up to 25 will make a different . We are looking around at cities all over the country come all over the state, and the world who have found a similar place of this. He put in a fee, people acclimate to it or get when they raise it they see a difference. I wish i had for you the delta, the before and after, same with santa cruz. What i have is from the cities that we talk to come is that they feel very strongly that it was this action, this raising of a fee, increasing the consequence of your actions that got peoples attention. I think we see that over and over again in terms of behavior change studies. The question of if we go down that path, what does it mean to people who that 25 cents matters more. It is incumbent on us to make sure we do everything we can to make it as easy on them as possible. I would also say that the legislation exempts people on food stamps, so if you are within those programs of public need. Then you do not get charged. There is some builtin protection for low income families in this. I can see from your expression youre still concerned. I take your increasing the amount paid has made a different. A lot of people have raised their fees it sounds like, where there has been a behavior change, and for him . Is it across the board. What if the behavior change is not happening among folks who are at the lower income level and are just paying more. The other thing, this is related to the impact piece of it. Also Corner Stores and that sort of thing . It does. One of the things that i have seen come up if youre doing all your Grocery Shopping at the corner store, you may need a number of plastic bags and even ones molar reusable bag may not be enough for what you need. Is that something that comes up as well. If you have four or five plastic bags, you should be charged for each one, right . Thats absolutely correct. That might get us to assent where 25 thing 25 cents is one thing. You either bring a bigger bag, and then the last thing, when people pay the fee, who does the fee go to . It goes to the business owner, and part of it is, by state law, part of that money is to go to educating their customers about the need to use reusable bag. It pays for the cost hold on. We will get to public comment. Go ahead. Im sorry, i think i answered your question. They use that money on educating customers about using Reusable Bags area are they required to do that. What type of oversight is that . That is the state law that requires that from the citys perspective. We are just allowing them to cover the cost of those bags so they can offer a nice, sturdy paper bag that can be reused. Those bags that they do give out can cover the cost. We said fine, you get to keep the charge that you get, so your made whole. Are going to get more money now because its going to be 25 cents. Theyre getting more money, that they are supposed to be using to do education about the bags, but again of all of the Corner Stores i go around ive never seen a reusable bag given out. I dont know how they are using the honey, but now they can have more money . You are correct they will have more money. Part of the advantage to us for this is the motivation for compliance. For the stores when they had to make a charge and take their time to say its going to be 10 cents or 25 we were afraid that they were just a word. And that enforcement becomes a nightmare because you have so many thousands of stores. If the store has an incentive to be a partner with us to ask for and they get to keep that money. Then the likelihood that they are actually going to say that will be 25 cents, or that will be 10 cents is much higher. I know that i have been ins doors, where they have a customer they like, they dont want to charge the 10 cents. The 25 cents, we are hoping that will be enough that they will feel motivated to join us in the show. It is all the more important that we have a clear eye on what they are doing without money. I agree its a state oversight. We are, by our actions increasing the amount of money. If theyre not doing anything that is helping our goals here. They are now getting additional money that we assume is going to something positive. But maybe not. Listen, when we are done deliberating you have a chance to talk. May i just also say that that is a very good point and i think what that requires us to do when we are doing the implementation is to make it easier on the store owners to do that educating, whether its a corner store or Whole Foods Market that is incumbent on us, heres a way you can communicate with your customer. That is a very good point and one i am taking from this area i just wanted to note that we had discussed this with the office of mall business, the chamber of commerce, the grocers and gg ra. One of the things when we talked about the Small Grocery store on the corner, because i think all of us have those in our district. Many of us sitting here. It was something how can they also educate their customers. A lot of them are much closer to their customers another customers name than someone going to whole foods, right . We talked to them about giving them bags. Providing them with bags to give to their customers. I think that is something that we feel is important to not only educate but to be able to give to their loyal customers. I think thats really important, and the fact that anybody that gets any kind of government assistance, they dont have to pay the bag fee. We do not want to punish people i think it definitely has to have a robust education that so many people do not know about it, and we have to bring in those small grocers and really say, let us help you help your customers also. And, i think that is pretty much it. When we were talking to the different parties, i think that was a main concern is people that do not have bags, and also the larger Grocery Stores like whole foods, its just really disturbing that they have these green bags out there, that everybody thinks you can compost them. And you cant. That is something that i think is unforgivable and we really need to make sure that we are striking the right cord. With the data, i think if, and im not sure how long will that take, was that a year that youre looking at looking at the study. The ordinance is not going to go into effect for year. We have that time to absolutely do our research. I dont think it will take a year to get the research done. I think thats important and the research will guide us, too. If that is something that is just we are saying is going to harm people, especially low income that we are going to have to adjust area that is what we do with legislation, we amend and we adjust. Thank you. Why dont we open this up to public comment. If you will line up to your right, my left, go ahead. Irst here. No members of the public that want to testify on this item i will close public comment. Youre talking about educating people, we need to educate you understand me. These bags are the best type of bags he is for the use of the time. For the inside of the bag it dirty, all you have to do is put a bar of soap in the bag, put it under the faucet, shake it around, and rinse it, and let it dry, go on about your business. I have numerous of these bags that i use all the time. Your counter addicting yourself, you want to get rid of the plastic bags, matt wants to give plastic bags to pick up all of the piles of [bleep] on the sidewalk. He wants to pick up stations where you are dispensing plastic bags. Youre always contradicting yourself. You want to charge people 25 cents for a bag that they are using to go to the store, get food with, is outrageous. We need to tax you. You just got a 1500 dollar salary increase. I use these all the time. What im going to the store, they fit right in the back of my back pocket, go to the store and buy what i want and put it in the back, im on my way to take care my business. By the same response, that idea what you said, the only thing i like that you said is that the store gives a person a discount off the product that he bought from the store because he used the bag. If you would have done that, i would have a higher income that i have now by using this bag. About them paperbacks, they rip and tear. They are not the best bag to use. These are the best bags to use. About you spending that money on those bags, that is money that should be spent on getting housing for the homeless people. Youre talking about your leader, you are the leader and piles of [bleep] on the sidewalk throughout San Francisco. People talk about you all the time, talking about human race, the poop and your poop squad cleaning up poop in San Francisco. I think people should be educated on how to reuse those bags. I use the bags, and i purposely sometimes going pay for them, because if you travel, or if you have to pack things that are going to be put away for a long time, plastic keeps those things dry. The worst thing that can happen to things that you store sometimes is for them to get wet. So the first thing i thought about, when you said, stop plastic bags, we will have to start buying those very expensive, those bags that collapse, that you put your blankets in, what you can do the same thing with those plastic bags. You can pack clothing in them and that is one thing i am doing, as a matter of fact now, because i am packing up all of my stuff, because i am dealing with some things and i most certainly waiting for you all to get to that part of the conversation. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Good afternoon supervisors. Making San Francisco great again coalition, we are here talking about waste. Garbage bags. Listening to this meeting, for the last couple of hours has been garbage. Absolute garbage. Listening to you talk to these Department Heads has wasted more government time, and resources than anything ive ever seen. You had a conversation with this department head, where she spouted lies, true lies, and autistics. Statistics. You had a backandforth conversation where youre talking about garbage bags, going from 10 up to 25 cents. It goes right in line with the previous item which is about encouraging business, in San Francisco, and yet you are wasting peoples time dealing with this . In a Committee Meeting . I mean, what is going on . You guys are the real garbage we need to get rid of. That is why we dont have businesses and Small Businesses in San Francisco. It is the swamp. You pay to play, to force people to do stuff. Youre not gonna force anybody to do nothing, raising 25 cents from 10 cents, that irish data youre talking about, that is garbage. For you to stand here, and except want people to accept that, that is real garbage, lady. Unbelievable these meetings in the city halls. You talk about the swamp. This is the most thank you. Next speaker, please. Two minutes of my life i when i get back again. My name is miriam gordon, i am the Program Director for upstream. I want to thank supervisor brown for this measure, and the department of the environment for the very factual information that we just heard. I am a veteran of the plastic bag and wars in sacramento. It was extremely disturbing to me that we had to take the poison pill of this definition of film bags becoming characterized as reusable. It has led to this regrettable consequence that in some cases more plastic is being used as a result. This is a very important measure to fix the problem. As usual, San Francisco is one of the cities taking the lead on this. As well as on the produce bags. We want to supports, with great enthusiasm,