[ roll call. ] clerk item 2, general Public Comment. Members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commissions jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. Speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or Department Personnel. Commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with the speaker. The lack of a response by the commissioners or Department Personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support statements made during Public Comment. Is there any Public Comment . Please step forward. And identify yourself, please. Hi. Good evening. My name is tracey thompson, and i came to this Fire Commission meeting for the first time on january 10th to express my concern over the lack of an adequate way to fight a big fire in the western and southern neighborhoods of the city. What i heard in response at that meeting was, quote, the pc is handling it, unquote. And another question arose, is there any of this 33 million requested by the sffd for awfs, and the answer was no, by the way. Not any of the minutes from the puc website address from october 24th to january 18, 2018 addressed or update the status of the optioned analysis that was presented in the City Response in the local papers. In fact, the report could not be found on the website. It had to be requested. What was further disconcerting and in that january 10th meeting, all of you approved 33 million, a 10 increase from last year, when it appears from the Fire Commission minutes, it wasnt even on the agenda. Basically, it took less than a month for the kmition to approve this amount of money. And further. Few of you had requested Additional Information but somehow were forced to vote. There was confusion in this approval. Needless to say it was noted. In addition, none of the 33 million is for any part of the awfs. So the facts are the puc is not handling it, and if they are, theyre spending a lot of money that it will take to install an awsf and spending it on independent consultants and Third Party Reviewers of the consultants work. Not to mention selling off their work by the awsf. And now, we are not informed the public is not informed and youre not keeping us informed on this progress, or you guys have yet to supply a timeline. And we just had an earthquake last night at 10 00 p. M. , and i dont know if you felt it, but i did. We need an adequate firefighting system in place as of yesterday, and the bonds were approved up to seven years ago, and it hasnt even begun. Its begun in some ways. Yes. Im really trying to understand the lackadaisical timelines of ensuring this protection in the city. In the january 10th meeting more time was spent discussing 870 bush street and its maintenance. Were running out of time. I dont think that because this falls under the puc umbrella, it precludes the Fire Department from doing things about it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any further Public Comment . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Madam secretary . Clerk item three, approval of the minutes, discussion and possible action to approve Meeting Minutes of january 10th, 2018. Is there any Public Comment on the minutes . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners, your pleasure. Move the minutes, mr. President. Do i have a second . Second, mr. President. All in favor . Minutes are approved. Clerk and i believe we have an agenda change. Correct. Im going to go into closed session were not going to clear the room, were going to have a quick tenminute conversation on a legal matter in the Conference Room behind this podium here, so were going to have a motion from the commission here to go into closed session, we will do so, but well be back in about ten minutes, so well hope that each of you will stay here. So do i have a motion . [ inaudible ] its item number clerk nine. Nine that we are moving up so that the counsel can get in and get out, basically. So the motion would be to move item nine to now. So moved. Do i have a second . Second. All in favor . All right. We will go into closed session for about ten minutes. We need to go into Public Comment ongoing into closed session for existing litigation. Thank you, madam clerk. Is there any Public Comment . Thank you. Clerk government section 549569, administrative code section 6710 d . Any Public Comment on this . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Okay. We have to do the motion again, i suppose. I move. Second. All in favor . Its unanimous. Thank you. Item okay. We are back in any session. Clerk item 10, discussion on any item in closed session vote to elect oh, no. Ill go ahead and report that we did agree to the settlement, and well pass that final onto the board of supervisors for approval. Do i have a motion not to disclose what we discussed in closed session . Motion. Im sorry. Who seconded that . Ill second. All in favor of not disclosing our closed session . All right. Were going back to item four. Fire Department Operating Budget fiscal years 20182019 and 20192020. Presentation from mark corso, Deputy Director finance and planning, to the Fire Commission, presentation and discussion. Good evening, mr. Corso. Good evening, Fire Department and chief. Here to give kind of a follow up from last meeting which was strictly regarding capital and i. T. Requests, and so i have a brief presentation and then open it up for any questions. Just a number of items wanted to highlight briefly. Just a review of a lot of the timelines and previoinstructiot we briefly discussed at meetings. We have just a brief technical on the Financial Systems conversion, a review of the base budget, some of the updates to the budget so far, challenges we face, and any questions or discussion that we may want to have. Just highlighting some of the previous instructions that have been relayed to the commission. The citys looking at approximately a 260 million deficit over the next two years, and that is anticipated to increase in the out years from there. All departments have been requested to make a 2. 5 decrease in their general fund, and that relates to about 1. 5 million in each of the next twoers i cant, for a 3 million overall. Here is an overview of the timeline, meeting today to have a budget discussion, potential approval at the meeting on the 14th of february. The departments budget submittal is due on the 21st. June 1st is when the Mayors Office submits a balanced budget to the board. Budget hearings in june and july at the board. And then briefly, i wanted to touch on the conversion, just highlighting some of the documentation i provided to you. Back earlier the city converted from the legacy system, so thats been a big adjustment for everybody. Were completely on the new system but theres been some issue with reporting and coding, and as the budget was transferred over, theres been no document changes, but youll notice a lot of the coding and information has changed. There has been a complete overhaul of the coding and reporting system. The initial documentation to the commission is reduced from whats been provided in previous years, but i anticipate that being resolved by the second meeting that we have. And then just kind of highlighting the overview of what has been provided to you in your packets. Its just the overview of the base budget. So last years process, the department had a budget that was approved for the second year, and that rolled over to be the approval for the first year. One time revenues, expenditures, theyre extracted out, and any target reductions are summed up in that base document amount, and those are in the documents that were provided to you. Operations, the assumptions include whats been funded is the hiring plan for the department, the graduation of the march 26th academy. That starts the hiring over the two years, and there would be an additional graduation of three additional academies over those two years. The base budget includes backfill for academies from ambulances, any atrition and any adds into the Fire Department from there, and any adds to the fleet plan. These years coming up with years three and four of the fire equipme fire five year Fire Equipment plan, and theyre included in the budget. Paragra the airport has requested some additional staffing through the department for training, for Fire Prevention and for operations, the incorporation of a bike medic down there, and in addition the port has requested actually filled this year through a work order but has requested to fill permanently into your budget an Additional Fire inspector down there. Fire prevention and investigation, maintains consistent staffing currently there at the bureau. We transitioned a couple vacant civilian positions to fire engineer, and those will be incorporated into the departments base budget, and two years ago the Department Funded some education and outreach positions, over 1 million worth of funding, and discussions with the Mayors Office that is anticipated to continue over the next two years, as well. Additional budget updates, as discussed and approved at the last commission meeting, the department submitted the capital i. T. And fleet budgets by the january 12th deadline. That was submitted on time. Overall were continuing to meet with budget heads on budget means and Needs Assessment. We our next meetings on friday morning, and well be discussing the issues pertaining to budget and also prioritization of departmental needs and we are working on updating staffing models for Fire Prevention and ems and also looking at fee and revenue projections. Just highlighting some of the basic budget challenges. These are no different, definitely from last year, considering the process is very similar. Our main goal is to maintain a lot of the currently funded initiatives. That includes the outreach and hiring program, as well as the equipment and fleet allocations. The other challenge we have is a lack of budgetary flexible. The last majority of over 90 of our salaries is allocated to salaries for front line and personnel of the department for minimum staffing requirements. And were also trying to balance departmental requests for service. Just wanted to highlight that briefly. Over the next slide, youll see since 2010, youll see a continued increase in overall chart volume, and thats the chart on the left showing the last fiscal year call volume. We finished last year with a little under 150,000 incidents. As you can see thats a dramatic increase from fiscal year 10, which was just over 100,000. And then, the daily incidents that the Department Responds to. You can see thats been increasing as well monthly, pardon me, to over 10,000 incidents in it a month, and so that has gradually increased, and thus, the need for increase for services has come along with that. One of the discussions with the committee has been how do you balance budget requests with these increasing demands for service and thats something were discussing ongoing and definitely struggle with. So with that, i wanted to open it up to any questions or discussions. Thank you, mr. Corso. Do we have any Public Comment on mr. Corsos report . Seeing none, Public Comments closed. Commissioner veronese . I saw the 30 increase. I think it was over the last seven years in medical calls. Have we looked at how that is compared with the amount of calls for a nonmedical related . Medical calls, just you mean as compared as part of our total call volume increase . Right. So medical call has been the main driver of those the overall departmental call increase. And so im wondering if the i know that the department has spent years coming up with a plan on atrition for materials and vehicles, and im wondering if that plan is flexible enough to well, that plan probably only addresses old rigs going out and being replaced by new rigs, but it doesnt address the new rigs coming in. Correct. We had requested last year or the year before that was a request to increase overall the fleet. Its more of a its a little different on the fire side because we have a fixed number of station locations, but on the ambulance side weve increased the fleet and the total number of vehicles we have in our fleet and that came along with personnel increases, as well. Okay. So that came along on the ems side of it. Thats correct. And has it been 30 or do you know what that number is . Not off the top of my head. I do know that we increased i believe it was two years ago, there was an analysis with the mayor office, and i believe we increased by i believe it was close to 20 at the time. Very good. Additional personnel and fleet as well. Okay. I would only comment that i think that chart that you provided that showed the 30 increase, it doesnt seem to be going it doesnt go down in any year. It just needs to go straight up. Yeah. I guess with the exception of 2014, theirs looks like its a slight dip, but otherwise, its an upward trajectory. I think this makes a pretty good case since its medical related, a pretty good case for the medical response vehicles. Youve got the airport, pursuant to what you just said, talking about putting people on bikes. I think that would be the equivalent of Quick Response vehicles in San Francisco to be able to get to people quicker and not necessarily have engines responding to purely medical calls when theyre not required to. So thats just a comment ive noticed from this. My second question and final question is what if you could brief me quickly on what the process is, are we voting on this item today . No. This is just initial discussion. Theres a lot of work to be done over the next few weeks, and then potentially on the first meeting in february , there would be a budget for your approval. If theres still following issues, we put a hold for the following week on those issues for a following submission if needed. But this is just for initial discussion. I would only say i hope the department doesnt come to us with a budget request that doesnt give us any time or input to to to comment on it only because just by way of example, the San Francisco Police Department, i learned this just the other day, has a new sub station down at the whafsh, a wharf. Its a beautiful sub station, and all of that was paid for by Homeland Security grants, which to me speaks to the fact that we really need a grant writer. I know that members of this commission have been talking about grant writers. I would hate to see a budget in front of me that doesnt include a grant writer. Absolutely. So included in your documentation weve done every year as part of the department, we collect data from Division Heads and members in the field. And thats discussed with the budget chief. We included it last year. And included in that is a grant writer and other additional equipment and other personnel needs for the department, and that has been discussed and is incorporated and turned over generally to the Mayors Office, along with our budget proposal. I know you say that, and i think i was around for last years budget. I was here in april beginning of april last year, so i was here for the tail end of that. Right. So we submit in february , so that was probably when the documentation was submitted to the Mayors Office and approved by the commission. Got it. My my message to you is i would hate to see a budget in front of me that didnt have Something Like that because i would not be able to support it. Understood. Thank you. Thank you, commissioner. Commissioner hardeman. Thank you, mr. President. As usual, very good report, mr. Corso. Thank you. Thank you. On sfo, you described all these items training, the bikes, the inspector. All that is not thats a separate item that will not have any negative effect on the overall budget back up in the city. That just deals with the airport, they are paying for it, and it just happens to be we have to review it and that process has to be approved, right . Absolutely. So we work very closely with the airport and their budget staff and obviously with the chief and their Operation Staff there. They are 100 is fund t fund t and the department with the airport. It is incorporated into our budget, but it is funded 100 by the airport, and similar to the port, they pay for the port fire marshall, some Fire Prevention personnel, as well, as well as the boat and the pilot, so thats 100 funded by the port. Ive seen sfpd on bicycles at the airport, and we have no one in the Fire Department right now using the bicycle or is that are we do we have some of that happening already . We have in the past, commissioner we have in the past used the h3 level 3s on an over time basis, but right now, we dont do it as much because we have limited personnel and over time opportunities. But we will have eight street level 2s, which are medics off the ambulances. They are volunteering since the general order went out, so hopefully we can implement that up here when ems Staffing Levels permit. So the bicycles, are they similar to or the same bicycles as sfpd uses in San Francisco, chief ali . Commissioner, chief ali. Yes, they are Trek Bicycles that we are using, and weve already purchased three. Okay. I think its wonderful. Not to make a big deal out of it, but i think its very bright and easy to get around. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Corso. Thank you, commissioner hardeman. Vice president nakajo. Thank you, president cleaveland. Good evening, director corso. Good evening. On page four, i know we have this calendar of submittals. On june the 1st, we submit to the mayors budget or the mayors budget is submitted to the board of supervisors. So with this change as of late last night with a new mayor of San Francisco for this period of time between now and june, i was curious as to how this is or does it affect our budget process departmentally or do we adhere to these timelines and go ahead, mr. Corso. So the timelines themselves are fixed. I know the june 1st 1 fixed in the charter, so theres no real flexib flexiblity there. For department submissions, everything is consistent there. Im sure therell be numerous discussions. Even though we submit in february , were still in conversation with the mayor kazz office until their submittal, so any changing priorities, for example, at the Mayors Office will be dealt request in the next few months after the departments have submitted, but everything weve communicated, departmental instructions, timelines are still what they were previously. Okay. Thank you. Chief hayeswhite, did you want to say anything at this particular point . Certainly, just to add and echo Deputy Director corso, we had our budget directions given to us on december 6th, and then, obviously the untimely passing of mayor lee. During acting mayor breeds time, it was articulated we would march to the same budget instructions, so i would anticipate the same would be coming under mayor farrell. Okay. Thank you for that, and at this point, i should also, out of respect to interim mayor, mayor farrell, acknowledge that mr. Corso, in terms of page six, second paragraph, bottom, onetime revenues and expenditures are stripped out and any new positions are analyzed. I thought that we did not have any new positions that we were instructed to. Clarification, please. Correct. So thats the instructions for that. In the case of this is just general, but some departments have Nongeneral Fund positions or if they were allocated, in some case, in the general fund, any new positions from a technical budget perspective, theyre not budgeted as a full position because they anticipate by the time you hire and the budget passes, its not a full year of that position, so the following year, they would become annualized. Okay. Director corso, first paragraph, page seven, it caulks about budget currently calling for the graduation of four fire academies over the three years, including the up coming Academy Beginning on march 26th. So this year, calendar year, theres two classes that are scheduled, march and the latter part in fall . Correct. Iib i believe its september, october. I dont have the date in front of me. The one thats scheduled to start on the 26th would graduate in july, and then, the later would graduate in fiscal year 1920. Is there projection on any classes beyond year 20 . 2122. No. At this time we will continue discussions with the mayor office itself only because the budget doesnt extend that far. Only just for me to be clear because everythings happening quite rapidly, the interim mayor is in the Mayors Office until june of this year, when theres a selection election. Correct. And whoever is elected will be mayor for the next two years. For the next year, year and a half, but i believe the next year would be a general election for a full, four year term. All of our calendars are part of that projection, as well. Absolutely. Thank you for that clarification. Page eight, at the bottom, it says fire inspector to be incorporated. I think you said that board paid for that position. Is that correct . Are we talking about the port fire inspector . Correct. They had given some Fire Prevention workload that they had. They had requested if we could fund Additional Fire inspector position at the port starting essentially immediately a few months ago, so working with the chief and his staff, we were able to assign an additional person to the port via a work order, and with our last discussions with them, their plan was to permanently implement that in their budget, but yes, thats currently funded by the port of San Francisco. And theres currently a person in that position. Yes. And where is this person located . Pier one. Pier one. Thank you very much, chief. Director corso, page 11. I understand the lack of budget flexiblity, the balance reduction with increasing requests or demands for service. Prop f is always in our budget . Correct. All the mayors since prop f have passed have completely supported funding it fully. And i as well as a commissioner. Page 12, i think that graph is a good graph. I think it justifies the request that we made in terms of both operation and in medical. Did you say we are running 10,000 cases a month . Is that what you said . Correct. So effective probably the end of fall of last year, we were looking at regular months of over 10,000 10,000 medical calls in a month. 10,000 medical calls a month . Right. Okay. Thank you very much, director corso. Thank you very much, mr. President. Thank you, mr. Vice president. Commissioner hardeman, you had an additional question . Did you want to yeah. Well, i wasnt going to comment, but on this grant writing, we talk about it on and off the last few years, but is there a possibility that we can look into how other departments have their grant writing done, how many grant writers are employed by the city and who they work for in the city and how many grant writers are being paid by some grant, so that kind of information and how many of them are pull time, etcetera, theres no immediate hurry on that, but i think if were going to talk about it, we should know what were talking about. And just throwing out that wed like to have a grant writer, i think we had know if theyre apples to apples with the rest of the city, how thats working, and then, we can have some basis of i hear a few meetings ago that theres three grant writers for the Police Department. I dont know if thats accurate or not, but if thats a fact, then, thats quite interesting, being we dont have any. And i dont want to put you through a whole bunch of work or whoever the chief assigns to do this, but i think we cant really discuss it unless we know as much as possible i mean, we can discuss it, but we dont know what were talking about. So i think if we could know what were talking about by having the details and i think weve been lucky since ive been on the discussion by getting some grants through you and chief guzman, by hitting it just right and very fortunate. Fema, and i think others have come forward with wonderful things for us in this department. But i agree with the particular commissioner covington who always brings it up that we might need our some access to our own permanent or whatever permanent or parttime or whatever, but somebody that does this quite regularly and not just on a hitandmiss basis like we do. I know you do some grant writin writings every year. Certain time of the year, you always send out a boiler plate one. Hopefully, im not creating a burden. We could absolutely do some research on that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, commissioner hardeman. Commissioner covington. Thank you, mr. President. I guess ill start with grant writer question. The president finds that humorous. I spoke briefly with chief scott with the Police Department, and he did say to me that they do have what i would call a raft of grant writers since we have zero. And at that time, i did ask him if it would be okay for me to come and see him and have a conversation regarding what the Police Department is doing since they are, you know brothersister department to the Fire Department. I have been so, so busy that i havent had a chance to give him a call, but i will give him a call tomorrow, and i will go there, and there can only be two commissioners going anywhere together at any one time to discuss the business of the department, so i do invite another commissioner to come with me, and we will get the details, and i will report back at our next meeting, that is if chief scott is not traveling. I think the grant writer positions are very important because our staff at the Fire Department are doing double duties. Theyre handling everything that falls under their administrative umbrellas, and i have to add, too, that they have been very successful. So we need to even be more successful when were told that the city is going to have a 260 million deficit just segueing from the grant writers to this deficit,. Just segueing from the grant writers to this deficit, can you explain to me how we could be running such a huge deficit because theres a crane on, like, every other roof in this city. Sure. So its not to say that the city is in a recession, by any means. I think the issues that the city have had have been great, but i think over the last few years, the growth that the city has seen from year to year on the revenue side has kind of tapered off. Its not to say that revenue is going down, but that has slowed dramatically. Overall, the expenses for the city are far out weighing those revenues coming in, particularly surrounding pensions, retirement, Health Benefits and salary costs, and thats been the communicated as the main drivers of that deficit longterm. So there are definitely concerns citywide that a Fire Department budget is not going to solve, but thats been the messaging and root causes of that, mainly from personnel costs far out pacing that growth that we have seen in previous years that revenue has tapered off. At least we do have two new academies coming up, so hopefully when the chief of the department gives her report, she will touch upon how were he doing in terms of getting ahead of the gray tsunami with all of these retirements coming up soon will people that have been on the department for many years and will be going to sit on a beach someplace. All right. I am looking at this additional funds for recruitment, this sheet. Are we maintaining the recruiting initiative . Current yes. Currently, its done quite a bit of crossover with a lot of our outreach work, but this would be some additional funding for either members attending different fair 1ed or other events where they could be representing the department and working very closely with the outreach portion of the department ea departments efforts. And are we maintaining a recruiter position. Yes. We still have a recruitment position that was funded a couple years ago, i believe. And thats included in the current budget submittal . Absolutely. Okay. Very good. And there was another question that i had. Oh, i was surprised to learn in your comments and in chief alis comments that we no longer have bike medics at the airport. How long have we not had them . Ill let chief answer. I believe they got quite a bit of very good press. Good afternoon, commissioners, again. Assistant deputy chief ali from the airport. The position originally was funded through over time, so we wanted to continue the program, and we wanted to put it in the budget and fund it through the budget. So we have we were able to do that. We asked for two we asked for originally five positioned, and we were approved for two to three positions. So because of short staffing at the airport, and we were short on medics, we were not able to offer or have the positions filled for over time this last season. So were moneys allocated for this position . They were on over time because we were just using the staff that was assigned to the airport. Okay. All right. It was a Pilot Program initially . It was a two year program or how long was it [ inaudible ] it was more like it was more like a year program. Oh, i didnt realize it was such a remedy, this year. I its news to me that it was ever discontinued. It wasnt that it was discontinued. We didnt have the staff to keep it running. We had the staff for a year and then we didnt have the staff . What happened was we had personnel that are assigned to the airport that are medics. Yes. They were able to perform as bike medics on over time only, and due to atrition, there was some promotions and also there was one reassignment back to the city of one of the medics. We were short staffed on medics that were assigned to the airport. As a result, we didnt have enough to staff the airport medic units and provide bike medics at the same time, cause we had limited staffing of the airport apparatus. Normally, our staffing, we have two medics a day, so we wanted to maintain that staffing of medics on the apparatus to respond to our normal calls. So if we didnt have the staff to respond or to volunteer to do the bike Medic Program on over time, then we didnt have enough staff. So were you only taking medics for the bike Medic Program from the airport and not from the larger pool of medics . Right. Dont they know how to ride a bike . Its not that they didnt know how to ride a bike; that we just cant transfer members from the city to be a bike medic at the airport. Okay. Okay. Chief gonzalez . I was just here for support. Thats all. Oh. Chief ali is absolutely correct. Its not just staffing at the airport, its staffing up here. And down there they have different accreditation as in san mateo as opposed to up here, accreditation for ems. As well as with the over time down there, they did have atrition with employees, but they get capped out. So if we capped them out on over time on the medic rig as well as on the bike, their time would be capped out sooner, and wed have no one to work the shifts on the rescue rigs, so it was a staffing issue not just down there, up here, as well. Thats why we came up with this new model. Its going to take, id say, a couple months to implement. Is there any way the airport can be helpful in this regard. It comes from up here, so it is he aa matter of having enough staffing on the medics and the rescue rigs. If we have more personnel on top of that, we use them for the bike Medic Program on that. The funding comes from the airport for that. Thats why i was asking. I know the funding comes from the airport, but what youre saying is if the pool to draw from is small, there arent enough people to send. Correct. Okay. Weve had a few classes weve had a few classes graduate, havent we, just this past 18 months or so . Two classes of h2s with 18 level 3s . Yes. Theyre still up here. We want to keep our als engines to a certain level, as well. And that is due to atrition, as well. Yes, atrition and retirement, as well as h2 level 3s have to volunteer to go down there. Thats not sending thats another thing. We had them up here. Were not sending them against their will down there, but we do have h3 level 2s that are willing to go there. The order has been out two days, and ive got a stack ready to go to the airport. So youre hopeful . Im confident. Oh, already. Good questions, commissioner. Thank you, chief gonzales. Oh, lets see. Chief ali, is there something you wanted to add . No. I just wanted to make sure i answered all the questions you needed. For the moment, thank you. Okay. Okay. Lets see. Mr. Corso there was one other thing. So on this sheet, again. Yes. These are based on basically addbacks, are they not . They are items that have been determined to be Additional Needs for the department currently not incorporated into the budget. This is the sheet from last year thats kind of a working point for the Budget Committee now, so were revising this, but this is similar in line to what has been done in the past as far as previous Needs Assessment and items that have been identified as priorities for funding. And you sit on the Budget Committee . Correct. Okay. Who else is on the Budget Committee . President cleaveland and Vice President nakajo. You meant the departments Budget Committee. Yes. Okay. Thank you. And the overall Budget Committee . The board of Supervisors Committee . That budget and finance. I thought there was another i know theres a Budget Committee for the board, but i thought there was another Budget Committee that worked that worked together i thought it was headed by the budget analysts. So they are essentially the boards representation, and they work after the Mayors Office has submitted their budget. Enthuse analyze the budget and work with departments and thats where the budget negotiations and budget hearings come into play. We work very closely with the mayors Budget Office over the next few months until the mayors submittal and then theres the controllers Budget Office that handles more of the technical side of the process, but also termly with the Fire Department committee, and then, in past years, weve worked with the mayors Budget Office as well. And getting back to the grant writers, how do we get the grant writers position into this budget . So in line with i mean, outside of a an additional request as part of our overall list of items with the instruction of no new positions, well look at if theres potentially a current existing position that can fulfill some of those duties, but just in general overall we dont have a very large civilian workforce to do a reclassification to that, unfortunately, but well be working i imagine it will come up as a priority during the Budget Committee process, and well be communicating that as we have in the past with the Mayors Office. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, mr. President. Oh, im sorry. The chief has thank you, commissioner covington. Chief hayeswhite . Thank you, president cleaveland. Thank you, commissioner white. Mr. Corso, just related to the 262 million deficit, it does seem counter intuitive to us, as well, and when we went through the budget instruction meeting, some of the items and mr. Corso touched on it, but the total projected expenditure growth is 1. 1 billion with salaries and benefited driven by inflation on wages, pension and health cost increases. Citywide operating expenses, 42 of this growth is inflation on nonpersonnel and grants to nonprofits. And i believe they said im sorry, could you repeat that again. Sure. 42 of the citys operating costs is inflation on nonpersonnel and nongrants to nonprofits. And i can provide you with this presentation. Thank you. Mmhmm. And another thing, and correct me if i am wrong, mark, this city has more its not an editorial comment, but the city has more set asides in their General Fund Budget than the entire state, so that impacts us quite a bit. So for baselines and set asides, mta and the Childrens Fund makeup 76 of the growth. And for departmental costs, 65 of the growth is related to its the ihsf, shift from the state so over the course of the next few years, the city is picking up theres a cost shift in inhome support services so that folks that can stay in their home with some support are able to, but that cost used to be covered by the state. Its being shifted to cities, so thats some of the reasoning, because i had the same question as you regarding the deficit, when things economically look very well for the city. But those are some of the challenges that they articulated, and i just wanted to highlight that. Great, and the Inhome Services account for how much . 65 of the growth is related to ihss cost shift from the state, so its nearly 80 million projected from the state over the next four years that the city will have to now cover the cost of. And we are an ageing population. We are the oldest city in terms of ageing population in the country. Dont look at me. Well, now that you mention that, what are you doing about that . We have the lowest percentage of people under the age of 18 of any major city in the country. So this is very frightening, actually, because every day all of us are ageing. Im feeling it more and more myself, so yeah. Will witell, i really appre with your breakdown of all of that. I can provide you with the presentation. Okay. Ill give it to the commission secretary. That would be helpful, but its times like this when your accounting degree is very evident and helpful. All right. Thank you, mr. President. Thank you, commissioner covington. Vice president nakajo, you had a followup question or questions . Thank you very much, mr. President. Not so much a question as a comment. So as you can see with director corsos presentation and with the analysis in terms of increased services and demand both by incidents and by medical and all of the discussions, which is a good discussion, and the identification of a grants writers, all of that is a discussion on trying to find out Revenue Sources. There are a lot of things in this department as a commissioner that we want to fund, and part of that is what we can put together, and part of it is the department and filling its needs. And my comments are all over the place in terms of needs. And at some point, projections in terms of needs, were realistic, as well. I just want the audience to know that we as the commission as well as the department take this budget process very seriou serious but its a very hard and very much of a challenge to try to identify Revenue Sources. I dont want anybody out there to think if theres a line that determines the needs of san franciscans, like awfs, its not that the department is not trying to respond to it. We are, and the need is out there, and we understand that. But evening in terms of the definition, like the awsf that we used to have jurisdiction. There is now jurisdiction within puc. There might be some discussion as to what other area, but we, the department with that, as an example, are limited, im going to say, by our budget, and ticket item that ticket item is going to be a large ticket item. Weve got to come out with some other plans or innovations and relationships, and some of them along the lines to address these needs. Im not sure if we the San Francisco Fire Department and our budget can meet those needs that are out there that need certain kinds of to be addressed. I know its just a generic statement, but my point is, we hear you, and we hear everybody in terms of what the need is departmentally, as well. The hard work is trying to find out where the Revenue Sources is, so im going to get off of my box right now and conclude at this. Thank you very much, director corso. Thank you, mr. Vice president. I appreciate you getting on your soap box. I think it was well stated. Mr. Corso, thank you for your presentation. I had a couple of questions. Dealing with fire presentation, 18 million scheduled for 1819. Is that offset by fees . How much of that 18 million is actually offset by income . The majority of it. The vast majority of it is. Theres portions like School Inspections and things like that where we dont charge and we cant charge, so there are some costs as well as some administrative costs we absorb, but in general, the fees recover the costs of providing those services. So youd guesstimate maybe 17 million come in and 18 million and eight go out . Yeah, i would say close to that, if not more than 17. Okay. Just guessing. On the classes, you say you have two of them scheduled this year. Do we have two cadet classes in 19. Correct, calendar year. Calendar year. I wanted to be sure on that. Paragra in the budget for neighborhood response teams, are all of the budget just to continue the existing programs or are we going to expand the programs to some neighborhoods that are not currently served. Currently it exists of the nrt coordinator position as well as some members that teach, over time obviously because its outside of the hours that they normally work, and some miscellaneous materials in general. Thats been consistent over the past few years. A number of items in the additional enhancement requests for either personnel to assist with administering the program or other materials and supplies requests are incorporated into the enhancement list, and that would be above and beyond whats being so any growth in the nrt program would happen through the addback process. Yeah, our during the mayors phase of the budget, if they so close. Chose. During the transfers, we had about 1. 6 million in transfers, and i didnt under that. Was that in dbi just from the Fire Department. So the general Fund Operating line item . Yes. In general, thats a we do have a few different types of transfers. Theres theres some transfers youll see on page four of that budget document that detail the 398,819 transfer. Some of those agreements are agreements we have for providing services, so those are federal government transfers into our budget that cover us for providing services. There are additional transfers that are more technical in nature. Weve received those and allocated them to equipment funds, so a portion of the equipment needs are met directly thr directly through revenues. For Fire Prevention, thats mainly facility ork at the old 21 station where we recently staffed and reassigned some Fire Prevention personnel, and then, also for their vehicle replacement program. And on the ems side its for funding ambulances, defibrillators and some higher equipment ticket items. On the next on dealing with your ems equipment replacement, you had that brokendown into three different figures, and i wonder what was the breakdown on that and why are they different . Were are they not all one ems equipment replacement figure . They are all the same project, so to speak, its based on expenses. For ambulances and defibrillators, its equipment supplies, and then, we have preventative main nances on our defibrillators, thats a separate classification. So that 1 million figure is really for defibrillators . Yes, and ambulances. The old style that we have for our fleet its approximately 170,000, and as you know were currently piloting the new project for the smaller ambulances, and they are, i believe, i want to say 90,000 or so, maybe approximately 100,000. Fully outfitted . Yes, but the two models we have are not completely outfitted. Theyre more test cases that were currently reviewing, but they would be if we went forward with them, they would be significantly cheaper than the current models we use. So with 1,137,000, we can probably get ten ambulances out of that, correct. Yes. The budget is with the older style, which would be 15 ambulances and 15 defibrillators. Obviously, that would change if we went with the new style and were able to purchase new units. I also notice on the figures on the ambulance billings, that we billed out