Always appreciated mohammed, let me go to you 1st here. I mean, this is not the 1st time that we have talked about the i c, c. And usually on this program is in the midst of terms, i dont have much liking for the i c c, because if its to put city is how its politicized. And then it does Something Like this and ask for the indictments against to, to leading is really officials. Of course, they had to balance it out with having 3, a mazda officials. For me. Its a very mixed bag. I have mixed feelings about it. They, they the very fact the justices people want to start approaching this in a more balanced way. Applying the law to everyone, i suppose is a plus, but because it comes from the i, c, c. I just really dont know what to think about it. What do you think of i agree, i dont think dice se has much credibility of any credibility at all. And no, do any of the International Institutions that were created since the 2nd world war. Theyre all dominated by the west, more or less, some or worse summer if its better. But this particular institution is very much under the influence of the United States and its head is on the very much under the implants of the United States. But it does show something, just like the 3 European Countries that are recognized palestine. It doesnt change anything, but it does show something. And that is the Global Public opinion. And western Public Opinion are putting pressure on these institutions on these regimes where they have to be seen as behaving differently. I. Im sure that dicey had no intention whatsoever of doing anything against is where it is. But things have become so bad that if they dont take some slight steps, then they become completely discredited in the eyes of even the most naive of people. You know, so its in a way, its kind of a damned if you do damned if you dont. I mean 7 months and they decide to do Something Like this. Again, trying to create this false equivalency. But nonetheless, it is something that i didnt really expect when we 1st heard about this. We came out of tell a b and not from anywhere else, not from the hague. Thats for sure. And then its happened here. So i know i, im a cynic, i take victories where i can take them. I do take, this is a victory. But it, we dont even know if the icpc is going to exist very much longer considering the, in the reaction of the americans and its allies go ahead. So as well. Yeah, i mean like you, i think a, you know, of course theres certainly an element of both side isnt in the fact that the i c. C. Not only indicted or not only is asking for indictments for the 2 is really leaders, but also for the 3 major is a how much. So thats something which i think is not a not, not fantastic, but um, you know, that having and said, i do think, you know, this is a pretty positive step. Its an important step and it could lead to some, you know, really positive change to the top. Now, you know, we have to see, i mean, whats happening now for sure is biden, and the rest of the American Administration is making phone calls, trying to strong arm of europeans and probably my government, the japanese into saying that they will ignore the ice, any kind devices, the indictment maybe that theyre trying to fracture them to do the funds, the i c. C. I like to say to destroy it. Lets hope it doesnt happen. I mean, you know, i spent most of my career a 1st lobbying for the creation of the i c. C. And been trying to convince people that you know, despite its faults. And despite the fact that it had only indicted African Leaders for the, for 20 years of its like the average, the n, slobs, africans, and slobs. Okay. Well afterwards, yes. For the 1st 20 years. And then 20 years later, of course it was, you know, it was present food and then there were the russians in the dock and it was very interesting. The other day khan was interviewed. I think it was by cnn. And he said that he had been told point blank by a certain, quote unquote, a certain investor leader didnt say who would have an interesting site that would have been interesting to hear him. But he was told point blank that you guys can see is not too. Its not to indict israel, its, its for africans. And i think it was um, so it was like, put in, i think that was the quote that youve been told. So you know that very much shows that hip hop proceed and double standards, but, you know, here we are. And like you say, i mean the evidence against israel, the evidence of you know, hes real, committing to set aside and committing the surrender. Some more crimes and crimes against humanity is so overwhelming. Yeah. That theres just no way that they could of gotten out of doing this and lets, you know, lets see what happens when were doing. What does the interesting thing, one of the interesting things about this indictment that they are coming out of the i. C. C is that theres more of a highlight on the they have pocket see of western institutions, not really on the merits, because as always, just pointed out, i mean, this is over what its fine that youre trying to convince people that the sun comes out in the day and it sets a night, i mean, the evidence is so overwhelming, but watching them dance around and twist themselves into pretzels. That is the spectacle or, you know, line or, you know, the, i looked at western media a Mainstream Media and it feels like treated as the 51st stage. I mean, there is no difference between israel and the United States. I find this truly bizarre. But if they want to go down the path, then blinking and biting, and sullivan, theyre going to end up in the dock using the same logic here. I guess thats what theyre afraid of right line. Oh, i dont know because im trying to try to explain to you gentlemen what its like to live. As i say in the 1st fall, i am living in the parallel universe. Sometimes i have to look to see where there is evidence of change elsewhere to it. Just a while ago people were saying the i u. C. C is great. They dont know what the issue was. He thought it was a, perhaps it was a federal commission. So somebody called to the International Call k using court and they were africans or whatever. And they got poking and, and its great. Didnt make sense. What about nothing, yahoo and yeah. Oh, and i loved the way they never even mentioned the names of them. Us and 3 other whatever. They dont even mention it. So all of us others that way them, it doesnt make any sense. Excuse me, be careful what you asked for. You said it was great. Yeah, but, but wait a minute now was a runaway court, but we didnt, but it wasnt before. The next thing thats interesting. Is and youre gonna laugh at me gentlemen. So let me apologize in advance of all of a sudden those people who, who idea of, of i guess news is People Magazine or whatever. All ma clooney. George clooney is wife george clooney, the, the high priest of the, of cabal, whatever you want to call the woke left is his wife. Not only is the is mr. Conduct her mentor, but she Research Just now the left and the right. And weve talked about this better, they dont know what to do. And theyre also saying, why do you think this came about . Why do you think this came about, all of a sudden, what was it that changed everything in my lifetime . Ive never seen anything like this. Let me tell people are saying, you know, maybe these protests which youre writing is being stupid and ill conceived and manufactured by children. Try and try to regroup with some healthy and days of the sixtys. Maybe that did it. Maybe the world to use a cloud swapped, or maybe this is the great reset, but nobody saw this come here, but this is, it really is. Its a reset that the establishment wasnt prepared for. Its for sure. You know, how many do i mean . One of you know, and looking at the, i mean, i get, i agree with kind of saul, you know, i, i, its a moving the right direction from a very flawed institution. But even looking at the long description of what, what, how this process is going to move forward. You, the reader doesnt get the impression that palestine garza, the westbank, is under occupation, israel as the occupying power. It has responsibility. I dont see that in the text. Maybe i dont know enough about the lots to pick it up. Go ahead mohammed. And its not only does that. Its also the west banks just yesterday, 11 palestinians were murdered in the west bank uh spoke to i think 2 school children, one surgeon and one teacher, while im on. Those were killed. Theres footage of the of the, of the children being shop on the streets lying down dying. But that doesnt register anywhere. Apparently. Uh, as a is, of course of the scenes of guys that we can only find them online. Were not going to see them in the way mainstream. Western media in western government officials are not going to say anything about it. And theres not going to be any condom nation from any of the western embassies in tel aviv. But um, but i, but i agree that the, with both of you a guess there has been a sea change it i, the israel is not the 51st dates. I think its that, that sort of like the district of columbia. But well, the how well, how many, if that is the case that it means its is really occupied territory, keep going. It is, is really occupied territory, but there is a see change. And i do think that not only is it the protests across the world and governments across the global south that are looking in the harm. But it is young people across the western world and in the United States in particular. And i would stress, young jewish america has the same issue or kins, yet theyre putting pressure on the political system. And that i think is what is forcing them to make some slight moves in order to decrease the pressure. Yeah, but its interesting, a slight mood can turn into of an avalanche and i think thats what were seeing right now. You know, so its all, you know, im not a psychologist. I know a lot of people go on tv and pretend to be one. Theyre also military experts in theyre also experts on russia, etc, etc. But i get this ceiling vents, you know, uh, somewhere like a. Com is thinking about his legacy, how he is going to be remembered during these time. So i think a lot of people get meaning to realize that theyre going to be judge, maybe not now, but history will judge them harshly. Go ahead. Well, i certainly think, i think so. You know, i dont know. I dont know, constantly ecology. So i can sort of, you know, speak for him, but im, im pretty sure that, you know, a lot of people are looking around and seeing, seeing that they are on the wrong side of history. And the way the want to get on the right side of history. Unfortunately, the us present by them doesnt seem to have done that yet. But you know, one of the things about this whole, you know, the whole discourse about, you know, what the eyes see has done and what you, what were talking about about gaza. And of course, because its not just because its also the west bank and west bank also includes east jerusalem. And all this is, you know, this is extremely important as well. But its also important not to lose sight of the fact that hes real isnt a part of the state. And this is not just about nathan, yahoo and you know, just a couple of handful of is really politicians. No, i mean each and every point is really politician from at least 67. 00 if i saw from solve solve all that thought, i have to go to a hard break. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion on palestine. Stay with the russian states. Never as one of the most sense community best, most all sense and up the in the 6595 and speed. What else calls question about this . Even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russians to day and split the ortiz food, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. Steve, steve, the says world war 2, United States has fostered extremist and to russian prejudices and hatreds among the ukrainian. The asked for in, at least in canada, United States and countries in eastern europe, probably everywhere. And it doesnt matter what these groups say or do it will support them. Heres it. Heres the groups are causing hatred and chaos within the target country. So it might done on the choose the gun scale or do you sort of do well, i suppose for the middle, i know my surplus leads up and it was so easy just to keep all the way of reach me get the ca, uses anyone and anything if theres a religion the, [000 00 00;00] the the welcome back across sack, were all things are considered. Im peter the belcher manager were discussing palestine. The okay, lets go back to solve it before we went to the break here talking about how much further culpability there is. If youre going to be indicting the Prime Minister of israel and the for a and the defense minister of these are not accurate, these are actors that have enormous amount of power. And we all know to, and i think this is what it is. So a stomach churning is that this is a genocide that is being actively um, shown on line. We have is really soldiers, me appraising their, their crimes on yeah. Into the camera. I mean, we all can see it. Okay. I mean, the one, the most glaring one for me was watching the they were blowing up the university. I mean, the whole building, im and it was and it was very well staged. I have to say, and hes standing there grinning. I dont understand of a hebrew, but i mean, he was really happy that he was part of the destruction of something that is one of the basis of Civil Society in palestine. And so, i mean how much for this go. I mean, if youre going to bring these 2 guys to trial, youre going to have to bring a whole lot more. Go ahead so well, thats exactly my point. I mean, its not just a handful of its really politicians that are no problem, maddox year. And thats, you know, the problem with the whole sort of the most extreme right wing government in israel narrative that we see a lot of, you know, weve got to look at also whats been happening within the borders of israel, of 40 the 48 palestinian territories and you know, all this, the whole story narrative about the 2 state solution, the 2 state solution is the only way for the to say solution is the only way the piece will ever come to say solution is the only feasible level of love with her. This, you know, ad nauseum for all of our so called leaders over and over and over. But the fact that the matter is a 2 state solution, you know, is, comes from this partition resolution. But the Un General Assembly adopted in 1947. Now 1947. There were 55, maybe it was 56 Member States in the United Nations is completely dominated by the west. And its all us. So thats how we have this, you know, quote of a 2 state solution. The only reason that were even talk about this. And this is somehow because the default option is because it goes back to 1947. And basically, the, you know, the western dominated United Nations coming from the policy people. Its like, what, why dont you give half of your country over to these western colonizers, boy, that sounds like a great idea. And weve got to look at the, you know, sheer injustice and the policy of that to what, you know, in my home, in the, the argument, you know, you hear all the time a, im in my entire life. You know, israel has the right to exist. Israel has the right to sell to spend those of the favorite ones. Oh, and the 3rd one is its complicated. Okay. Thats, thats kind of the, the, the, the design is propaganda that were all side fed all the time. But i mean, if you look at that, we have a 143 countries in the world recognize palestine is a state. Okay. And uh, tony blinking says, we dont want to do anything unilaterally. Well, a 143 countries thats not unilateral. Thats kind of like the vast majority of the world. What were getting down to is it and the question should be, you know, it should does. What is real . Have the right to exist, but it is a desirable for it to exist as a design estate mohammad. Well, peter, i think over the years weve, weve seen a lot and the things are now very different from the past. The last 78 months has really changed the world. I never thought id see that things are key or the things that im seeing and hearing today, the world has turned against this regime. And theres a lot of awareness about what sign is. Im actually means with those departments is im in apartheid is and they cant hide this anymore. And its really changing everything by the way. Even now western media theyve for the last 3 days since president rest raised the passed away in the helicopter accident. Theyve been saying that the ronnie ends are celebrating and then online and social media. We see millions of people in the different funerals and tap ron, and right now and mass side and elsewhere. And no one believes the west anymore. No one believes is really anymore. No one believes the United States anymore, theyve destroyed themselves and theyre, theyre destroyed, their credit ability, their soft power. And so now people across the world are saying that theres really wishing does not have moral legitimacy. And that the only real solution is for a single state where all people have equal rights and people when they hear that, they say yes, that makes sense. Make sense . Yes, it makes sense. Theyre all human beings equal human beings. They should all be able to live together and they see as you point out that the is not this, not just the palestinians were showing a footage of daily slaughter. And the massacre is happening 24 hours a day. They are seeing this rain. These are just as you pointed out, tearing up atrocities and laughing about it and enjoying what theyre doing and none of them being punish. And none of them be why because thats the, the regime itself backs this sort of behavior. So them kind of has no clothes, and i think that that is going to have enormous consequences in the years to come in a line or its the uh its, its well known, the iron clad support the, the United States has for israel, but its always funded really mystifying and truly disappointing is that if you could put it into the american contexts, who today defense jim crow, who, who defends that kind of apartheid like system that the United States had. We mean how, you know, hollywood goes to the bank every, every single year, you know, you need to, you know, grow. So i grew up on route, so i remember watching it as a child. Okay. I mean, why cant that kind of explanation be honestly displayed to people saying if you support israel and what its doing, then you support what they did in the south. And jim crow, i have a friend of mine who is a, whos a bigger discount, a movie fantasy. I remember movie jango, i say, yeah. Is it, what is that about . Is it what does that about . Thats about a slave who basically comes back and you likes, i didnt you. Uh, 2 things. Thank god for unfettered social media. Thank god for twitter. I have, there are some sites. I know what i mentioned now. All of depths of absolute. And im a former prosecutor, ive seen murder, see, i have seen it all. And the thing that i, i probably tell my friends are people who the unenlightened. I said, look, im not trying to explain one way the other just look at whats going on. Tell me what this is about. To look at the looks in the face of these people who are going through and picking up bodies look into look they, they have almost like theyre just the 1000 yard stare there. They have. Theyve been doing this for too long the other day there was a quote, comedian, im not going to mention his name, who decided hes going to address the crazy left young people. And ive got to tell you gentlemen what he said, which is to me. Exam exemplifies the fact that people dont know what theyre talking about. He said, you know, people and gaza would find it a lot better and a lot easier to live if they could go to tell a beat. Especially if youre gay or the, or whatever that particular phrase was, itd be great if they could go to tell the be and the, and the whole said, thats the idea. Thats what were talking about. So what occurred to me were talking about basically a rudimentary absolute basic misunderstanding using trumps and means that ideas 30 years ago, 40 years ago. And this is an idea of these, of this new kind of a. Okay, were going to look at this again. No. The best way to expose the truth is to let this load se prevail and just listen to one and say, i dont have to correct anything. This is self correcting. Just listen to this. I dont know what theyre talking about. Forget talking about zion is and well just look at this, ask this question. Do you want this to continue . As somebody helped me here, or they dont use the word genocide to say, okay, how about massacre you like that . Is it okay maybe . And i said, god, you prefer that we, we, we are so from totally as over specific definitions, missing the entire point that we as a space, you to say this has got to stop. Well talk about the other stuff later. But this has got to stop. Yeah. But not, you know, why dont we, you know, the people that support the, the slaughter in, in, in gaza and in the assault on the west bank they, they want us all to lose our humanity, like they have lost their humanity. But i refuse to do that. I refuse to close my heart because i feel that im comfortable if i dont talk with the way im talking right now a. So is israels worst enemy itself . I guess you can say that. Yeah, i mean, definitely i look positive change is never going to come from within is really society. I mean its just not going to happen. It has to be forced upon them. And really its United States and europeans, but more than anybody do another system, this really has to happen. You know, you mentioned before that is really starting into the 50 for state and i think somebody so theres actually the, you know, its, its the, its the district of columbia. You know, we used to jokes out to washington dc was the a tunnel it on divided capital of israel. And just a, a just a few days ago i read the to republican congressman introduced a bill which if it were passed, it would mean that the us funds would go to american citizens who had served. Yeah, these really yeah. Military. So they would get like equivalent benefits as American Veterans who had served in the american military. This is just insane. I mean, never in the history of i, i, you know, me the, i dont know, but i certainly never heard of anything like this in the history of mankind or taxpayer funds would go to reward people who had served in for an army. Yet this was completing center. Yeah. Yeah, but yet, and its like, oh what, what does that make . It makes it even worse. I agree with you there. Its a form of mercenaries, but what makes it worse is that the tax payers would be finding the same people to commit more crimes. Thats what makes it even worse. Keep going. Well, exactly. I like you say, i mean is real is, is worse than him and you know, way, but its, its out of control. I mean, is really, society is completely out of control. And you know, i saw, of course, i live in palestine for 5 years and i, i interact with the menus rarely as, of course. And i saw how they were a socialist into believing that the whole world was against them. And you know, the next whole, the cost of just around the corner and theyve got the, you know, the got to give before somebody. Yeah. But solving it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Ill get the last minute to my home. It should be because of what they do. The world is touring against them. Its a self fulfilling prophecy mohammed. Yes, they are their own worst enemy because dates, hum us and hezbollah and, and sought out on the others and you run with them. Have defeated. Theres really, really, militarily, but is rarely do real. The feet is the fact that the israelis have destroyed their image in the eyes of the world by committing these atrocities that defeat is far greater than anything else. And people wont forget that. Thats what happened during the 2nd world war to the nazis and others. And theres ran, these are the worst anti semites themselves because they are doing all of this in the name of judaism. And thats why the, the, the courage of these Young American and European Jews is so important because theyre paving to and theyre, and what theyre saying is that they have their own self determination. And because they have their own, they want to see others have it as well. Gentleman, thats all the time we have one to think, my guess in new york. Sorry about and into that. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. Remember, the the when the Worlds Largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. Indias voice matters. 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