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A generation of americans. Just like on the day of the bombing of pearl harbor, or the assassination of president john f. Kennedy, every american can tell you where they were and what they were doing when they learned that the United States had been attacked on september 11th. More than 22 years after the fact, americans thought we knew the story of 911, the c i a and the f. B. I werent cooperating. The white house wasnt focused on terrorism and the terrorist got lucky. But now thanks to an obscure court filing, were learning something far more sinister. Im john curiosity. Welcome to the whistle blowers the. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the story of the 911 attacks is a very complicated one. I will admit to you. I was personally involved as the former director of Counter Intelligence for what was then called alex station at the c i a. It was also known as the Osama Bin Laden group. I later became the head of c. I a Counter Terrorism operations in pakistan after 911. And then i was the executive assistant to the c. I is Deputy Director for operations for many years. I thought i knew what happened in the run up to 911. Now i know that i was wrong in an article at the gray zone lays out the truth about 911. 00. It shows using the f. B. Is own documents, as well as affidavits by insiders in the investigation that the saudi Intelligent Service was likely involved in the attacks through an Intelligence Officer named omar. I was by you, me by you may had been in san diego, california with 2 of the 911 hijackers now west of has me and holiday mid heart. They socialize together on many occasions and had organized other gatherings that included several of the other hijackers. But you mean even health has me and mid hard get an apartment in san diego by you . Me for his part says that he only met the terrorist accidentally. Witnesses say that just isnt true. And by you mean never fully explain why he received 50000. 00 from princess haifa. Been to face so of settled the wife of the saudi ambassador to the United States. Prince bandar been sold ton else that would and then passed that money to the terrorist. Were happy to be joined by the author of that article kit, clarin burge. Hes an investigative journalist, specializing in the role of Intelligent Services and shaping politics and perceptions. Welcome to the show kit. Were happy to have you help us sort through this complicated story. Hey, hows it going . Lets start with the players involved. We have, oh morrow by. You mean we have nowhere so has me. We have holiday and mid heart. Tell us about these guys. Yeah, sure. So i mean, i think im, ill have, ill, ill have them, you know, michel day. Oh absolutely crucial components within this, within what happened to 911 in every way. And they all, they, all these 1st 911 hijackers to arrive in the us and turn them in, in terms of the needs of the opponent arrival at the end of well enough in los angeles. They need a more help i use who is a saudi Government Employee now, he claimed to an official f. B. I Investigation Called operation uncle into set potential saudi involved in 911. That he was humble and saudi jumped me to include him for employee who had just taken a pity on the to, on the, on, on, has me and ill miss all because they didnt speak english and they were strangers in this strange lives. And so as a result, he helped get them accommodation and gave them and rather numerous sums of money. Theyre going to thousands of dollars and help them get set top the how are you moving to the audience woman who was it was so religious, the policy information to this outings others and services as well. Um and uh, yeah. Did. An uncle concludes the, actually about, oh boy, you, me was working this out. The intelligence he was himself that he kind of long standing high ranking se by in the us. He was to organizing various con, desktop and activities for the saudis on us soil now. Well, on cool, it doesnt go into what didnt go into. And it was shut down rather abruptly and without much in the way of the funds that were explanation. I think it was in 2016 of the month and i might be wrong with that, but um in a uh at the started last year um this independent website. Spiteful book um got his hands on a 2021. Im told decoration by a lead investigator to the office of mandatory commission, which is the legal body which is prosecuting alleged. And ill call you to terrorist housing one time a bank. And its very rich details and as well what is well with reading, im just the own. It started on my, my, i, my, i, i folded this up an investigation which went supernova globally, hook me up. It was rather rug surprised given that the entire major media would ignore split the, the, the in the, in the finally it, it is made repeatedly clear that the c i a had a relationship with has me and middle via the, using the saudis, as a, as a liaison, so adults around restrictions on the c, i a spying on on you on you, you got it domestically. You dont us citizens. So, um, i mean thats the, thats the short on so, and then we can go into the wider machinations of uh, alex station. If you wish. Much of your article is based on a sworn affidavit submitted by don canister. Are one of the military commissions investigators. I know dawn, he is a serious person and an accomplished investigator, he spent more than 20 years as a Drug Enforcement administration. Agent. Tell us what he said about the connection between the 911. 00 hijackers and the saudi government. Well, i mean i, id rather disagree, but like, i mean its, it show you, its in effect, what he tells into is that the saudis were up and they were providing money and Material Support to the hijackers. And the white ball they, while they were in the us and, and assisting them is they prepared to hijack cast items and slide them into various buildings on the home, september 11th, 2001. And i, im like, slightly loved it. Im not particularly interested in the, in the, in the saudi. I can go on far more interested in alex station because they the, this, the what the saudis were doing and meet us in terms of funnelling money and support and assistance to the side to the, to the hijackers. It could not have been done without the see eyes approval or at least elements within the c i a, a pre approving of an activity. Once it gets hot. The tennis row has evidence that by you, me, was working with another saudi Intelligence Officer in the United States by the name of the head of mary or so mattie was deported from the us before the attacks for alleged connections to terrorism, who was to mattie, and what was his role . A lot of like i said, its not something i particularly looked into. I mean, it just strikes me is like more more of a smoke screen. Really . I mean, i wrote and off with my subsidized reading recently, which noted how i had the uh, the uh, whats his name up a dis, a tough shake. Who was the last, the unemployment who lived with the, the, to high that with the, has me in middle, i mean, i might out as well if i has me in mid doors behavior during this time was extremely strange. And but was what day arouse suspicion amongst that natures because they didnt buy any furniture. They slats on mattresses and on the floor to spend the days playing flights to be license. But then they would also, they also had mobile phones, which are not that common at the time. And they were k, e picks up by the limousines. I mean, cause this will, could be more suspicious not, but apparently, despite living with an f b, i. Informant, who mentioned the path to his hand, and on more than one occasion gave the sco detail of biographical information. They wrote their russo named in the local telephone book. But one of the reasons why this didnt create any investigative leads was because the c, i a knew that the pause me and middle had multi entry visas for the us. This is all and i the Inspector General report they, they, they knew very well that they were heading into the us and had been finding something. Um uh they attended the uh they, ill call you to some in quality and pull which was recorded at the series request so that they already took images. There was no audio apparently. And i mean quite why docs is, im not, im not sure, but i did. Thats your inside, expert expertise, may offer or offer an explanation, but the, and if it like so that when, when they entered it, when the ends of the us, despite the fact that the and the see i said strike them is terror threats. No one was notes like no any that there are several f, b i, a operatives who are posted to, ill act station, which is the c i is dedicated. Ill call you the tracking unit of the day with explicitly toll and repeatedly told by the superiors to not notified the f. B. I had 5 courses about their presence in the us to tell us about the transfer of money from the saudi ambassadors wife to the terrace. This is something that has bothered me for a very long time, and its never been fully explained to anybody that was just a numerous amounts of money being sent by to talk to you me for his art and kind of person enrichment by the saudi ambassador in the us and uh yes it is, it is members of his medicine, his family and that was also an enormous, not money being a month for the the hijackers. I mean, its cost quite interesting is if you look at the 11. 00 Commission Report, which is, i mean, i might have to viagra. Well, me, majority of it is based on testimony obtained them to torture that for, and they, they, they, and the detainees admitted to like, coming to, to make it possible. Crimes let blow off those things that hadnt been built at the time that they were captured. And they duplicated the large number, it just didnt people who had no connection to terrorism because the, that it was necessary to construct this specter as like this global terrorist conspiracy, which didnt actually really exist on. And so id like, yeah, that the and the 911 Commission Report deals with the question of who finance the finance, the attack as a excited that is of no material significance or some kind of phrase like that, which is quite incredible. I mean, everyones seeing all the president s men follow the money, right. I mean, the, the filing or so that it can detail was how that what concerted efforts by still exotic, how it was lead book, one of the key investments that leads all the, the, the 911 commission to shield the saudis, from the from scrutiny and unconcealed a role there it was. So it would contain, but then the declaration of a large number of f, b i m c i a people whose claimed to that they were told expressly to law you about the c i a s relationship with has me middle to congressional inquiries, to clara bird. Stay right there and were going to take a short break and when we come back, we will continue our conversation with claire and berg. Were going to try to get to the bottom of the question of whether 911 was just a horrible intelligence failure or something more sinister state to. 2 2 2 the use of incredible proportion only to 3000 my turn. Now to the latest on russias president ial election. Well, well, well, at least turned it up. The look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except were so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show alignment as a patient. We should be very careful about visual intelligence. At the point, obviously, is to create a trust rather than fit the various job. I mean with the artificial intelligence, we have somebody in the team and the robot must protect this phone. Existence was only exists. The welcome back to the whistle blowers. Im john kerry onto were speaking with journalist kit, claire and berg about the 911 attacks and the possible involvement of the saudi government in them. Good to have you with this kit. Hey, hows it going . An important part of your cool has to do with both the f b i and the 911 commission. Neither are honest players in the story. It seems not only possible but likely that the f b i had recruited one or more of the hijackers through omar of by you me. So 1st is that true . And if so, how in the world would it have been possible for the 911. 00 attacks to take place . Well, i mean, they were allowed to happen. I mean, i did very at the very, very least. And like, i mean to all sorts of interesting indications of a full knowledge like um, uh, id, but extremely suspicious and irregular trading activities. And the best thing on poor performance of companies who stop price is crashed due to 911. 00, including delta airlines. And then like a google search, speculative thats on Defense Companies which immediately that, that chat price, you know, double treatment tripled following 911. 00 because of the prospect to subsequent was. And so, i mean, its quite the very least ever that happened on purpose. I mean, i have my own series, which i thought just office, the reason i try not to deal in, in speculation, particularly in my what, but i mean, so for example, if you think about like the a talk on the pens again, right . Like this was the, the a, the, the, the re, the, um, the hijacker. It was thats the individual county handle um who uh was according to his family. Not possessed to be extreme is use and was extremely sort of self facing and good hearted and was a highly unlikely and uh, suspect for carrying out a, a major terrorist attack in a foreign country. Um, but uh yeah, in fact he hijacked the slide 77 and it, it makes a lot different, incredibly remarkable and just quite extraordinary. 300. 00 and so i teach degree just sending colt free time from around 7000 feet in the apple travelling. It is aside from a 100 miles per hour, did it become pass a level with the pedestrian road leading up to the pen so good, like flying so low that its like nothing. I the alarm posts, and before it crashes into the Department Defense h q. And this would be a remarkable performance for military jet like the passenger jet, but no, any that has your and this has been reported on by the Mainstream Media was considered one of the was, if not the worst peoples theyd ever seen. You know, a flight school, they thought that he presented a risk and he was ever in the he couldnt control the thing. He lied. Jim sesna. And he, he was, he said yes, like a safety houses. He would take hours to complete quite exam questions that typically took about 15 minutes of my students. So i mean quite how he personally pulled off like one of the most daring. Um, you know, mid a revised robust times in recorded history is, is, is nothing short remarkable. And then thats obviously a total lack of cctv from, from anywhere like around the 10 skin which the actually shows a plane facing the building. I mean it to may not even more kind of incredible, right. And that the building have like 20000 people in it and then by the casualties were about 150 and it was not know what senior was home. But as it was mainly like builders and construction workers, because the part of depends going to hit was, was basically just used. And under refurbishment. So i mean we have a house. So like a bunch of covers instances. I mean, oh, maybe the saudis was just finding something full, max and visual impact, well limiting casualties. I mean, the, you know, the times that hit the towers, they hit very high, often before 9 am, before most people were at what. And she went to the twin towers when i was about 12. Uh they, uh they were, as you probably well night, you on your off right . Cities in effect like bicycle cities with your tens of thousands of people watching that attracts and tens of thousands of towards the day. It would be the hotels that had like hundreds of rooms, and then the desk sold was actually in the very large thousands it was initially go because of because they was so vast that the the, that told was it was like maybe 25000 people, 1100 homes and drugs valve as at the time before he mysteriously committed suicide. But yeah, i mean, this is all very saw and the, you know, if it, if it was a few hours later and a few floors level, you would have tens of thousands of people who walk out. So i know maybe its a lot of co incidence. Im not sure ive never had confidence in the work of the 911 commission for reasons that have never been explained. They did not cooperate with a wide variety of governmental organizations that were trying to get to the bottom of how an attack like 911 could occur in your article. You talk about the commissions chief of staff being uncooperative. Can you tell us a little more about that . Yeah, sure. I mean, well, i mean, i dont, i, i didnt use the phrase on cooperative, but like, i mean, yeah, i, like i said i, i know that like there were several m s. B, i officials who, who talked to, trying to, they were told to, to, uh, uh, to get to lloyd to official investigated investigation. I get the sense that there was some, you know, there was some good people within the bureau who like were really angry about what happened and once to get to the truth of that. Im sure the same as the true true the see i as well, i mean the alex the the descriptions of alex station and various people working within 5 within it, they seem to be behaving very suspiciously. I mean is very, or the people who are affected be on a list, would be using code names for each other. Im trying to recreate the assets within, ill call you to ritual. I mean, thats not, you know, the walk of analysis you well, no job. But so i mean, not, not in itself is quite suspects. And then theres all sorts of other peculiar um, at the sides, like when they met with the f. B, i appear to attempt to deliberately mislead them about the identities expense of 2 people in, in photos they presented one of whom was, was a, it was what babies yard. Uh huh. Oh yeah, its the story they and they showed pictures of it has me and middle roman plains. I dont know who they love, which is very strange. One of the lingering mysteries is the failure. The refusal really of the c i a and the f b i to cooperate with one another. The result of course, was the 911. 00 attack. These 2 organizations hated each other, and that hatred went all the way back to the creation of the c. I a in 1947. How much did that hatred and refusal to cooperate result in 911 or with the attacks have happened any way . Well, i mean, the, the, the, every, every life was like, right. I think thats the, the phrase is used. I mean, there were all sorts of, i mean the, the us was a hiding the pendant triple. You know, i have the time, like there was i, i remember right. Watching about as a long time ago, that was the that was the style millennium floor where, um and ill call you door for tape attempted to drive a, a cost of explosive in from canada. And it was only really by chunks that they got stopped because theyre a little that were at that time and enormous number, the unmanned border crossings with which we could have just slipped past with, with, with some of these the, uh, interagency beats between the anesthesia and c, i a has also been distributed for to 911 and it being over a lot of information sharing or lack there of refusal to um yeah, cool. Like cool. All right. And the situation in which the agencies didnt know what each of the new and i mean that does it, there is the aspect to it. I mean, it does, it does strike me that, that what that was very deliberate attempts by elements about like stations to prevent the f, b i from finding out about the presence it has to be in or maybe middle in the us like i. So i mentioned not to 2001 meeting where they presented size of the hijackers, but then refused to say for you, they werent even went to the extent of falsely claiming one of the individual fits. It was filed our crew. So who was the suspect and the bombing of the u. S. S. Cole . And it had one of the f. B. I opted so i to didnt in the dining kind of stories that the testimony is i got a notice the other side for cs 12 and a c. S. 12 recalls how he confronted i am an, an f b s. B. I analyst known as being a coffee and demanded that she provide information on a has me and middle and, and she refused. And he explicitly states it off to the side. Cool with the like someone whos going to die unless mid or is pursued criminally. And then its like because obviously there are 2 types of investigation. There is, there is a criminal, amended intelligence investigation. And people unlike it, when a criminal investigation is a, is a serious thing. Indeed, had they had the f b, i know that it has me and mid over in the us they could have launched a criminal investigation, found them within days of the clock, who was the head who was that the placements had had to come to terms of terrorism operations of the white house, who was pretty much immediately delighted when the Bush Administration times power, as i said, very much the same thing, but they could have been cold is more information was said, the obvious question is whether it was deliberately withheld. I think that is quite clear that was whether that was to allow the attack to go ahead with or know if theres another question to give us your gut reaction to all of this information after all these years. What ends still need to be tied up and will the likes of omar o by you me. And so i had to somebody ever seek justice. I think what we really need to do is, but that needs to be a genuine, independent investigation into 911. But that its not subject to, i mean the, the original, the original 911 commission, a commission, no set that they were, they were set top to fail and deliberately on the funding. And i knew it was of this stuff. Um yeah, but we need like the Serious Investigation but subpoena power would be uh perhaps being involved in like the year now rather rather embarrassing. Neither investigation with like sweeping powers. The 2 interview witnesses subpoena wrap it in some get people on ice and punish them if they are found to be lying and specifically austin, why . If its the case, if it is the case that the c i had a relationship with it with at least 2 or more of the hijackers. Um, why was that concise . It tends to conceal this. Um, what is your, what was, what was the purpose . Because there was clearly some, uh, some wider objective that was being served by. But by that, by that to see why that consumer and so on. I mean, ive seen no indications of anything like this coming the materializing, it is abundantly clear that the entire media just wants to move on and pretend it didnt happen. Like why is the the see item yet, the items be raw, the side, and then yes about the the release of this uh, this declaration. I mean a, but it does appear that some officials, a lease in my home country brenson was paying close attention. Because when i was stopped in may on the accounts of terra powers, the un, its brenda draconian and what the details of 5 hours against my, well, well, my address would be questions on the threats of arresting persecution for not talking, which is, you know, assigned instruction on and the use indicator of fascism compelled speech. And id like to say specifically obviously what, what, what i feel its about 911 and for a new amount of, of questions about my investigation. So, British Intelligence might be a, might have been a been concerned about about my ex, place a, but again, we can also solves, you know, why this would be, and why you specifically saw fit to use valuable time in the interrogation in a windowless room and back of an apple with the load me the about the wall. I still what about 911 and yes. Like whats now held in data bases around the world around the wells by um a allied security and intelligence and agencies. Um yeah, well quite disturbing. John. Thank you. Take claire and bird for joining us today. Some stories are so tragic and so complicated that many people think its better to just move on. I hear that all the time about the assassinations of john f. Kennedy, robert f. Kennedy and Martin Luther king. I hear you fully often about the 911 attacks, but thats wrong. The American People deserve the truth. They deserve to know if the organizations charged with protecting them are incompetent. They deserve to know if theyre in danger. I for one and grateful for journalists like kit clare and birth, who even years after the facts are still in pursuit of victories. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the west of lowers. Im john to reaku. Well see you next time the. 2 2 the or take a fresh look around his life. Kaleidoscopic isnt just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. Fixtures designed to simplify all confused who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few. Fractured images presented as 1st . Can you see through their illusion going underground . Can the, the United States is responsible for these chaos because they are the ones who send the web us to create it all. As fresh, gung violence calls as payoffs and hate see, some locals like choose the us of fueling the prices this hour. We were called washingtons victorious track record of meddling and other nation listings. 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