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It was an unprovoked attack. This is not surprising as to what the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that is responsible for his client states disruptive and illegal behavior. The cross walk in palestine, im joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. Hes a palestinian author and journalist and so then we have mohammed mirandi. Hes a professor at the university of trent and in rome we cross through romano roberto. She is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. All right, cross talk roles in effect. That means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate ramsey. Im going to go to you and seattle 1st because its a god awful hour there. I really appreciate, appreciate you joining us here. Im sure youve been watching the coverage of the complex us starting on saturday. And then it was an unprovoked attacked apparently just came right out of the blue. You know, just a bolt out of had been here. I it is so painful, you know, as everyone knows that been covering incessantly the ukraine conflict and we have the same rhetoric unprovoked attack. But saying this about palestine. I mean, we got to go back 70 years if you want to talk about unprovoked go ahead, ramsey the. Absolutely so, so even im going to jump right into it and say that, forget that was what palestinians think and speak about this just for a minute. To try to understand this to promote, i mean International Law says that is what is my power. The United Nation says the goal that is under siege. Pretty much everyone around the world can read country around the world as the United Nation says that israel steps in violations of the owners, International Laws and United Nations. This recent, most of it has of several do norris, but neither for the sense that youll find us to be alive. News for the, for, for the fact that the city has all the most basic and meaningful of Pain Medicine of freedom of movement to merely to survive. And it takes place day after day after break. If theres anything in the world that is to bolt. This is it. So how do you use this term in good conscience and how do they get away with it on friday . The main stream media is so bizarre, these days. This is not it to spare space for us, but its to me is 2. 5, or do i please say larva, maybe we have a different narrative or a different political discourse. Maybe the last of our children do matter. Maybe lots of or people not as maybe just maybe theres oh, is of apartheid colonial state that should be held accountable under International Law. And yet its, its not so yes, it is very much per bolt. And that should be where the conversation is as well. That was good to professor mirandi. That would, if they did do exactly with ramsey is, is proposing. That would mean they have a conscience, but they dont have a conscience here. And im sure it was a, it didnt go a missed all 3 of you. We had the arch neil con nikki haley running for the republican nomination for president and she said on national television, finish them, finish them. But professor thats, thats a call for genocide and it went, nobody said anything. It just went it will water off the back of a duck. Go ahead and turn around of a quite a few quite a few people have been speaking about genocide in the last 34 days. Its a mazing, its not just as riley officials and is rarely public figures. Its western officials and western politicians and western public figures that are saying give them how give me this truck get rid of them destroy. And if you are, we hope never to hear about gaza again after a few days and that sort of thing. And i think that symbolizes the fact that is a symbol of, of western civilization and where it stands right now, israel and my, you represents best western civilization today in acts of israel represent the acts of western governments and western politically leads. Im not speaking about the ordinary people on the streets in london or new york that are struggling to get by im speaking about those leads that have positions of power and influence and the media and academia in business and in government. They are extraordinarily racist. They are, they are the 2 enemies of human rights and Human Dignity by saying this was unprovoked. They know they are lying. They know that for a 75 years, the Palestinian People have been provoked. 24 hours a day. We see almost daily desks in the west bank, a bias. Rileys usually teenagers, it is rarely, regime goes into an account, shows a few people comes back, nothing happens and its not reported in the media. Settlers go and attack children, burn them alive, beat up adults, beat up teenagers, kill a few here, and there. Its not reported in their western media, and its becoming, it has become a lot worse. In fact, ever since the new netanyahu regime is come to power, yet the situation has become unbearable and the tax and on palestinians have increased. So and no one in this part of the world is sealed by the narrative. And i think in other parts of the world as well, the global so that no one really takes the western media seriously anymore. The what the influence of the western media is in the west. Yeah. Used to be that the western media had gemini over the glow. But now i would say it has had germany over the west, and there is alternative media. But that is, i think, kept in check. Well were, were trying to turn the page and then with a guess like this, we are reminded one of the interesting things is that we had the, the, the Prime Minister of israel saying to the palestinians. And guys, i get out of gaza. The hold that thought and then you showed the airport and tell of even people are all leaving. Yeah. Well they can leave. Okay. But its, its not explained to western audiences that the people and gods are in are in prison. They cant leave and there. But again, in west to me, it just about they have to we go where go heading room . Absolutely. Uh you know, the context is completely missing from every account in western media these days. And nobody is mentioning the fact that got these bonds are hermetic feet and has been on their hermetic fit for 16 years. A few days before october 7, before the policy and resistance long steve Major Ministry operation, we were reporting above the fact that keeping the patients in gaza did not have the medical supplies that are needed to be treated. So doctors with a camera se, begging is what would please allow some medical supplies in. This is, believe it. These are the Living Conditions you got to which the United Nations declared unbelievable, but 2001. We are in 2023. What im saying is stops the support international community, i would say rather the west and also the western media are responsible for what is happening today. Because yes, of course, nikki haley called for genocide. A youll have galandes really defense minister yesterday said that god, that has to be completely set a set of the word and no water, no food, no fuel. And these are open cause for genocide, but even turning your back completely and not, you know, reporting about the god, the feet and about the and better but conditions of the policy and people means being responsible for thats genocide. So i really think the international community, meaning the west and the western media are actually responsible for what hes helping these days if they know of ramsey i, i find it really quite curious, but it shows how sloppy and actually stupid and dishonest. These people are that there has to be a new knock box, which of course, and its really just course youre not supposed to talk about it, but when it becomes convenient, then they talk about it. And then they, they, they actually realize and, and, and legitimize me, the historical truth that it actually, the not, but actually did happen. Go ahead in seattle to does this really interesting point, peter, because they are not, not just supervising the that the, the, the human side of the city is in 194748. They are actually using the very post in your time, which means the catastrophe of the very destruction of the palestinian homeland used to be called that. But what is even more interesting is the fact that people in gauze are the vast majority over there are the descendants of those refugees. Some of them are still alive, but the descendants of those refugees who were so full of nick recruiters from palestine in uh 75 years ago. Another really interesting but everybody is talking about how much this is. Let me do have that. They are trying to find out was that you want to behind this was this coordinated which has moved up, but nobody is asking the question, oh, are these young young people . Who are these young people to join some rigs join us, let me do. You have big is a part of the other moving, going and circular and social movements and goes up. And there are quite a lot of it. There were either were babies or children. When does what it is to you dont bother started in 2 in 2006, 2007. We have no political consciousness of the time, nor children of this was developed under siege. They werent being humanized as what else and repeatedly we tell calories, we want to keep palestinians live with one to 2 dogs. We want to keep them alive badly so. So the outcome of that is what you see is what you have to do. Humanizing discourse, the category talent to leave, pretty them as a part of a Historical Context and whats become from a nation that has no political life whatsoever. And the original duties, while the sign ramsey through is really interesting. Again, i mentioned in the beginning of the program, ukraine, the people of the don bass for 8 years had no agency whatsoever. They had no humanity, no sanctity of humanity whatsoever. And this is, but the only way we left because this has been done to the palestinians for 75 years. Okay. And but the parallel is they are the same discourses used to be human eyes and to deny people, any kind of power. Im gonna jump in here folks, were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion of empowerment. Stay with our team. The. The russian states never had started as one of the most sense Community Best ingles, all sense and the same assistance must be the one else holes. Question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians cruising and split the r t spoke next. Even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. For what question did you think it would cost to ship the im a Senior Research seems to be moving to sweet truthfulness. Im losing this weekend. Its because of the some of those. So by itself, you said you can use a dispute ticket for the music and thats a gamble unless youre willing to order these voided. What 60 of know wouldnt be the one that truly automated room. There are still go new people. I knew a pool of all of the super going through this last any possible solution 0. So as of friday for the, for the last place. The, the welcome ex, across the dock were all things are considered. Im peter real about your mind. You were discussing palestine, the ok, lets go back to to and from professor mirandi. I mean after the, the 1st sorry is that, uh, the mouse shot into israel. Minutes later, everyone was pointing the finger at a finger at around to announce involvement. And all this again, you know, the people of guys who have no agency, they have no and they cant do anything without somebody telling them what to do. Which is so tiresome. Okay. Considering what ramsey just had to say when you, when they, when uh, the blockade started in 2007 and you have children, theyre growing up now theyve grown up under this machine here. Im sure that im pretty sure they have a pretty good idea of who they are, but lets talk about it around because it looks to me like the lindsey grahams. This is another opportunity that they, they want to have in general more with it around. I know you around will not take the bait, but im sure it around is prepared. Go ahead mohammed to yes and the ronnie is obviously are going to continue helping the Palestinian People and theyre going to help him, us and his stomach to heart and all the resistance groups that are struggling for survival and for their rights. But the to deny the Palestinian People agency is i think races in itself even though this whole affair is race, is the fact that the western media is supporting an apartheid regime. It shows the institutional racism in the west, but the policy name, people are highly intelligent, highly creative, very smart. And they were able to the defeat a much more powerful and the end, very abusive oppressor. And theres rarely use that suffered a major defeat and they dont want to accept the fact that the downtrodden and oppress Palestinian People trapped in gaza surrounded in gaza. That they could to impose such a defeat upon this randy regime. But both the, the, this does not mean that the ronnie as well support the policy and people who are wrong will continue to support the cause of sending people around will continue to support from us. Your own will continue to support your stomach to hug. But it is the people of palestine that are fighting to survive. It is the people of palestine put up defeated this way of the machine. And it is the people of palestine that are being bomb, women and children by that is really reaching day and night. And the western media and within the west is not a democracy. There. This whole facade about freedom and democracy is for kids. Thats the, even kids shouldnt believe it anymore. The western media are, is behaving like foot soldiers or the as rarely regime. Theyre trying to justify genocide, theyre trying to prepare the browns so that people will accept mass starvation mass that across kaiser. So theyre trying to create this moral equivalence. Theyre talking about palestinians raping is rarely without any of the evidence. Theyre talking about civilians being killed, where colossians are being killed every day, every day for years, sometimes in the hundreds in one day, sometimes one a day. Its, its something that they live with all the time. So the west is trying to create some false moral equivalence in order to help these rarely really mean in some cases the west is openly supporting genocide, western politicians, public figures. It used to be these rarely to who, who, who said such things and, and they wouldnt say it in english. Now. Everything is fine. Everyone can say what they really think and quote, what mohammed white, tennis or china not come down, why should they do it now . They, they support nazis and ukraines. They celebrated nazi in canada. I mean what, you know . Yeah. The, the, the, the bail was down there. Theyre very opening what their intentions are here, ramada ive had, it was very interesting to the joe biden is sending the Aircraft Carrier gerald ford to, to uh, to the power city, the boot method, turn mediterranean coast. Okay. Again, thats one of the things i look at this comp like, you know, a complex usually is like 2 sites of comfortable power. Its never been the case here. So theyre setting an Aircraft Carrier against guys on motorcycles. I mean, its really quite extraordinary. And the extraordinary ingenuity of the people of gaza considering the blockade to be able to defend themselves like theyve done is really, really remarkable. Nobody wants to point that out. Go ahead and room. Yes, im still getting it. First of all, of course the, the, you know, the use of the term conflict in the wrong context has been instrumental for so many years. Yeah. And, you know, it didnt recognize the fact that there was an occupier entered, occupied at people. So this was, of course, this has been done for years. What is happening now though, if thats of course, there was an end or estimation of the power of policy in the policy and people to resist, but also of the policy number existence movements to organize themselves both in terms of manpower and in terms of weapons and as we said, ingenuity to the point that a couple of weeks ago, dig sullivan, which is the National Security advisor, the United States, a set and a quote to your them, even if we dont is quite or today they never been into decades. And these was said a couple of weeks before this happened before october, 72, its me then of course they were, they were projecting an idea of the middle east. We, we saw and the tiny house at the United Nations with the map without the process, without the borders of pa, this and say, these are the new with an east. And they were talking about normalization between at ease will. And so do you read the without involving palestinians . They wanted to draw the met of the new me the east without completely neglecting the color scheme of the book. And this is where the policy and resistance fed no, we exist and we are not gonna allow you to ignore us completely why you are projecting these idea. And often you want me to leave a room and im really glad you brought that up because i wanted to talk about this quote unquote normalization process ramsey. They is there. Is there any coincidence in the timing here . Because when netanyahu is at the United Nations, he showed a map of the middle east and there was no power sign there. I mean, we picked up on that, but most of the world didnt, or least of the western world, didnt pick up on it. But hopefully this is a dead in the water right now. I mean, how shameful it has been for eric governments to be involved in this process. But hopefully its been put on ice go ahead, ramsey, you know its, its, its interesting feature that up fall when every major event saucon on, if you will, using american terms, the who is the clear and you want me to the east going to use arise, declared the new middle east of this, but just after the or during the is what . 80 uh more. The devastating, more or less than 2006, nothing me i was through the united uh, United Nation was september also declare a new middle east. And now that to me always saying i wouldnt change the middle east. Um, when, when struck a, which is really interesting, does it mean that the media hasnt really been changed . So helen and you will be the e scanned the minute is actually a forward. But what is even more interesting is the fact that were not, were not the kind of city of what is a good agency. We are to be a back, the will private pass to be a strategy. Listening to the speech of a World Leaders of the United Nations General Assembly in september, the position is coming from russia coming from. Do you want somebody from south america or coming from south africa where much stronger the most are countries . So there has been an organized activity marginalizing most given assassinating the palestinian cause. Im completely removing a how to sign for any investments of american interest, individual and honest, were involved in this 100 percent. Now everybody is going to go back to the drawing board and they have to rethink that strategy. I personally think that normally they should, it is either, at least for the source and medium terms. We dont know whats going to happen in the future. The america does say, no, no, no, were still in the works and were gonna work on it. But we know that blinking a, as in a banking, has really decided not to go to morocco enough to will that not a single neck, a full run, bringing the arts together to celebrate the greatness of it as well. So theyre kind of sitting in did, in fact, managed to change the rules of the game. Want to be, i dont think it was a coincidence and thats why i brought up the question, well what, what are the chances this is . Conflict could expand. Im thinking about has the law in lebanon, and of course, theyre your country around because theyre pretty plenty of people in the west with, you know, this is, i dont, they see this is a golden opportunity to rearrange everything. They always get it wrong. They always get it wrong, but it doesnt keep them from trying. Go ahead and cut on. Yes, they always get it wrong always. And thats something that they are not going to learn again. This time around the idea, they simply think that they can change the amount and impose their will, and they fail time after time. And the west is not the power. They dont have the strength and the power that they had to 3 decades ago. The United States and its allies on the decline and the existence of this rain, the regime, depends on the United States and the power of the United States. And the power of a you apartheid is only in place because the United States and its european allies, health is rarely enforcing without them their health. The regime would collapse very quickly. So as the United States decline as the europeans to climb, and its their own fault that theyre on the decline, economic policies aside forever, wars, and now the war and ukraine and tensions with china. Theyve brought it upon themselves. So as a decline therapy hit be looking increasingly foolish when they try to impose their will on a region which is changing, which has evolved, you run is not intimidated by the United States. Iran is not intimidated by the hold of nato. And then in the policy and people in gaza have shown that they are not intimidated. The palestinians in the west bank are not intimidated the people of loving on are not intimidated. So yes, this could spread. This could get much worse, because if the is rarely regime pushy is too hard, theyre going to be smacked down. If they try to destroy garza, this war will definitely escalate and have no doubt that with whether this really is go into cause a whether they do not go into causative april last. But if they go into gaza, the receipt will be much worse. Yeah, so well if you, if you believe in god and you pray at night, i hope everyone will pray for the folks of guys cuz its, its a long, long struggle ahead. But its something that is so surprise me on saturday. And i really want to think, ramsey, because hes kept the consciousness of the of the palestine penny and people alive for the rest of as good job. My friend as all the time we have one, i think my guess in rooms seattle engines around. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. See you next time. Remember prospect the, [000 00 00;00] the homework sentence. And im going to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new sho. Seriously. Why . Watch something thats so different. Little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please or do the have the state department c. I a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000. 00 corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. I changed and whatever you do, dont want my show state main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont wanna watch it because it might just change the way you in a c 90 agent look forward to read because it became a us colony, but still retained its own cultural identity. Speak in favor of independence, we be thrown into prison today, close to health. Its population lived in grow the residence, of course a retail have new representation in congress and convert and u. S. President ial elections like okay, were gonna make you american citizens, which you didnt ask for, even if we were Office Citizenship and we would prefer a wrong way. Once again, it was in his twenties, he chose defiance that hes homelands, independence. We felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resistance rather than of submissive accept reality that we fell asleep. Shockingly unfair, sorry that i decided to fight for my country. No, not could i have done things differently. Yes. So do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything . Absolutely. The, the, the conflict between her last minutes and sound as well, and does its 5th day with the humanitarian crisis, gaining momentum, and folding chairs with the round the clock to help people in the community for shes happy she was as ready just to rise as the 1200 civilians making up in soft majority, while many of those remaining tensions between 11 and 12 flat as has the leg claims responsibility for a slide on the countries pulled up the