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Which of course has people from all over the world. And they came over to them. Rob a show to get more details on our website. R t dot com. I am michael quayle. Suddenly see you again. Thats on the on the the the hello and welcome across the top. Were all things are considered on people about the west as a nancy problem and its just not in canada. The west is a long history of protecting the please and demonizing all things russian. The west is attempting to rewrite history. Also a single math and the New York Times tells us everything we need to know about the west losing proxy war in ukraine. The to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess. Martin j america. Shes an Award Winning journalist and commentator. And in budapest we cross the george w l, a t as a pod crafter at the god, but which can be found on youtube and locals. Gentlemen, cross up rules and the fact that music can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciated. I would start out with georgia in budapest, which the of canada and crudo is still reeling from one of the most god awful events in ive ever seen on display in my life actually parading out an actual nazi when. If you know the historical record, thousands and thousands of on nazis were allowed entry into canada at the same title based on their tap to being an s as a member. And at the same time you had jews that were dis located and they were put in Detention Centers because they were deemed to be possible communist. And now its kind of gone full circle. They want to tell us that this was a surprise to anyone, but anyone that knows the history shouldnt be surprised at all. They only made a surprising, its just the pure stupidity of the canadian leadership. Go ahead, george. Well, of course it wasnt a surprise um, but they clearly so that they would get away with it. And again, keep in mind that im almost everybodys a knew exactly who he was it for. So if you look at christie, a freeland, who is clapping malik legal . See the footage of the traffic manager, but she knows very well who this person was. I mean, she grew up within that the extreme ukrainian nationalist, the household to speak ukrainian. Her grandfather had been a propagandist in nazi occupied poland. And again, lets remember that you know this a few years back. This was expose and she made it to denied us that all this is russian, this information. And she s foreign minister, expelled Russian Diplomats full. This, this information before finally admitted. Yeah, all right. May be whatever, but she has suffered no consequences. The she knew very well and they own it was very well because ultimately they think were on the same side with things again, okay, this guy made a few mistakes. He joined the wrong organization but, but hes on the same side as us. He hates the russians. Well, we hate the russians. He wants to do free your brave from russia. We want to free your brain from last year. So hes a good guy and i would just say no, it just may have made a couple of mistakes. But they are, the unfortunate thing was that they had this professor yvonne kitchen also gave them all to a, it was a he had to go to, you had the photographs, he had all the document. Jupiter, you couldnt get out of it. And well, you know, what then happens is that the, the truth oh, of immediately blamed uh, it was somebody else to speak. Uh and then the truth. 08 things even was by the e. Apologize to the queues. Uh 1st then it apologize for the polls. Very apologize to the l g b t q, whatever i want, the people didnt apologize to where the russians, you know, the great as victims of the george, i apologise that youre getting the same statement that you was mentioning this information. But what did they can be part of them to do . It was a huge display of this information. Its really quite remark martin speed, you know what i find a really troubling it is that you know, this all comes from this whole cold board mantra of the captive nations. Ok. So if youre a top to the nation, you were given a lot of dispensations, like bringing them not see or being involved in pogroms you were given a clean slate because you were against the russians against the soviets. And this is a legacy that is, it remains and i contend, and i want to talk about this little bit later. This is part of the process of rewriting the entire history of the 20th century. Martin. I think it is. Yeah. But the other thing i think that sort of is up into question is, um, we tend to think people bunch interesting tend to think that we went to war and 1939 to crush fascism. But i think this incident and the kind of empowerment and all those and the fact the fact that weve just completely, im a media completely whitewashed or admitted any references to the nazis who are running the credit and government the my mind. When i saw him learning is the i think, i think this was the question that you know, its not that we for fascism in the 2nd level is that we for the 2nd strand of fascism that we didnt like. We didnt like. I dont think we didnt like us policies, we didnt like his particular interpretation of passions. But whats happened is this incident and the kind of bottom i think cuz i think its pretty much exposed to us suppose to west or being hypocrites, with no anti fascist a tool. You know, i mean this is what a huge mess is. Um, we just, um, if you look at the, for example, the, the, this debate now lets kicked off. Im frankly, as kicked off, you know, not season the west. You know, a lot of people dont know even people, my generation dont know the numbers. Im not serious, but left not only countries like you can, but even germany, you know, america about the best pick america, the line share with best surgeons, best technicians, best engineers, best ministry experts, and even experts show from the ministry who they could use to them. Send to other regimes around the world to try and enter x into certain levels of expertise and to torture. For example, you know, theres a go that was the best, but also ukrainian, nazis flips tools, lots of places along which accounts, but not not was not known in my own country. And person is a spouse themselves. So it went to the u. K. And were protected by the British Government were given a new identity, a new spaces you know, and the background was just you number up to see what war. So i think not your right to make a reference to this canadian incident as being the, the worst thing you probably would say, i think is the, its going to be the worst phone policy initiative with us. Right. Well, the kinetic almost ever done in his history. I mean that the never going to cut out this. This is now recorded. This is on the recommend the there is still a, shes still there. Yeah. And whats the screen really well known, big streaming . You know, if, if it hadnt been for the holocaust then and you know what, all it was just, you know, they were rough. You know, they were tough. Ok. They were very authoritarian, but its the holocaust that always is the problem when they want to completely rewrite that. Theyre trying, theyre doing and we, you and i have documented this for 20 years of, of read with the soviet union was really the enemy, and churchill won the war in europe. And is that landscape like churchill see how it works . Jordan . No, it is. Exactly right. I think my mother picks on a very important point which is the hipaa was unacceptable. I mean that was just no way that you could accept somebody who was a regular so rabbit lee, i just submitted bringing all kinds of trunks from the medieval times. You know, you just comp live with anything like that, had a, been a little more moderate. And it just simply limited himself to hating the communist, hating the russians, and what were one thing to push these terrible people, these savages out of your, i think it would have one phone more. It here is that he did as it does. It was, he did have a here is, i mean, you know, the hit was invasion, was joined by others, but thats the office i got name is not, it was by no means just a german invasion. So we joined bios and i think this has been the case with was the landscape as a widow and hes a very good friend of mine by saying, well, is the landscape and so he cant possibly be a fascist because hes a junior and that that is this model fairly say yeah, but you could have is sort of all the aspects of fascism in place. You can, you know, leave out the jewish by the, you know, that. But, and you know, because theres just do embarrassing. But its still the same thing, is the still the same etiology. Still the same way hes been brain, so tell me the origin thats, thats driving your brain later. Hes willing, perfect, this opinion, covering this up. Thats, thats, that should be people that we treat them should be asking that question, not the fact that hes jewish. But why is the going along with this here . You know, martin is at the beginning of the special military operation a lot in love. Last year in february they would leave the russian leadership and thats 2 goals. The militarization indeed notification and a lot of people were mystified by this. I want to point out to everyone here during the 2nd world war, the vast majority of ukrainian spots on the soviet side, not the the nazi side. There were many, many, many 1000 of ukrainians that did indeed fight with the nazis. And they fought approximately for them, and they were given protection if they survived the war. So i dont want to include all ukrainians, but there is an element in ukraine then you know, tons of thing with georgina, you know, we talked about in july. I think it was, you know, you know, this is, it kind of gives, its a kind of un comfortable and we have to be careful. And then the through the article becomes ubiquitous. The patches and the symbolism in the icon that have to be okay. This is a real problem here, and this is what its getting out. It was really killed by the west and still is this incident in canada to be a wake up call that such an issue does exist in ukraine. Go ahead, mark it does. It exists very much and its not being posted on because of uh, a completely ubiquitous um blackout from western media, particularly patricia and American Media who just refused to report on what you just mentioned is interesting that the media and the last 5 or 6 years or so have quite considerably moved shifted in the direction of following a social media. You know, theres one of the Survival Strategies that they have is that we should do more from social media. If you have a bridge newspaper now, or we offer what you see from the social media, and yet they are very selective. Over was a couple of, you know, they dont want this idea of the most of the majority of british people, for example, in england to understand just how strong with policies are in ukraine. And it was just at least a truck, you know, a former british to promote just a very recently on the torture that he believed with us. Um, but it says the landscape will have to some combust of knots his round and it will basically hold him hostage. You know, so he, he bought into the idea that the landscape was not an extreme is to fall right individual himself, but he was trapped. He was surrounded by these, not caesar now basically running the show, you know, and nobody in the west wants to notice that nobody wants to acknowledge all the insignia every time that theres a funeral. You know, these guys put on the wife and s s uniforms on his own on social media, but weve done revolts on it because it crashes with a narrative which due to from the british, an American Media a following from nature. You know that we dont have enough the problem and you claim it reminds but very much of um, out of when im in the 2nd level, for example, um, when, when church was discovered, the concentration comes in germany and potent, he decided not to run that black and white footage on passing news because he was afraid that the amount of anti semitism in britain of that time might actually go against the objectives of what it was trying to do, which is to more nationalism and get more people. Its the same thing, you know, lets not show the truths about the not see impact, because if we show that whats really going on the then the support of nate. So and this mad cut, my dear, so we can win a will, you know, um, yeah, but they, they fixed it as a switch and if we use the same time period when eisenhower is a supreme commander, when his troops found these concentration camps work camps, he forced german civilians to go through them to see really when a man of german descent actually did that. One of the great iron needs that is required to them. Im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on so we only stay with our tea. The the mr. Charlotte and the brown, the soldier monument, was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the soviets. Authorities originally built above the burial side of troops, remains. Its the memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2 was the risk of the department service. Give william forgive for meeting in 2007, the stony government decided to relocate the monument from the city center. When youre on that for me, ive got i, me to a, to really and the sooner frustrated to move divided the population is stony as logic, Russian Speaking Community strongly opposed to an intense rising growth, college and talent. These have since become the as the bronze knight drives, people across the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered computers. Now this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news the white. Lets go back to george in budapest because the New York Times every once a while accidentally they tell us the truth of it. I dont know. I or maybe theyre getting spooked. I dont know. Maybe theyre getting leaks from someone, but towards that they put up an interesting math and its gotten quite a bit of a coverage about the quote unquote the success or lack of success of the ukrainian counter offensive. It was so parallel to betray us. Oh, me dont betray us, betray us. He, he was, i was just going to make ready, you know. And victoria knew and said, you know, weve been planning this with them all along. And then the New York Times puts up a inconvenient, true truth is that theres counter offensive, completely funded by the west equipped by the west. And its been an utter failure. The amount of land that is Exchange Hands has been a skill george. Exactly. And if, if anything, its actually the reverse that if you look up the map, the movement on the map since the start of the years, this january, the 1st russia has it. If anything gain search and you ukraine has, if anything lost airfare. So if i ran the calls into question, the entire rationale of natos was because native as being assuring is now all of this year is what fantastic progress your brain is. Making a rough is being degree. It is humiliated, being driven out. And none of that is actually happening and, and therefore you gotta say, well, all these lives that have been sacrifice for watch. Exactly. You do it because the rational and that is gonna be a particular in the united states, you know, the ability to say, well, this is great. You know, we get is such a bill the fantastic victory for the bucks. No americans are dying and the Russian Military is being degraded when you look at the maps in the Russian Military is not being degraded. God knows how many your brain is of di, tens of thousands, full, no gains, integrity whatsoever. So whats the in game here . I mean, they, you basically have to admit, nate, ukraine cannot win this war. Ukraines only hope is if nato gets involved in this, go directly the gets. That brings up the question george, i mean, i would say this is a nato. Are me inches manned by ukrainians. Okay, and it does have a british and american, another nato advisor. So i, i would, i would tweak that insight. Nato cannot win this war unless they want to go to the ultimate escalation. Martin jump in. Thats the warning thing. This is the question now is, what is the next level . You know, when you have the New York Times basically admitting, im directing is republican audience because its largely a right witness. But its not so sympathetic to the present, but administration when the New York Times is basically shrugged shoulders the st. Listen. Can we win this war . And the also is a cause. Now we caught then whats the next best scenario . You know from not winning a little heavy on so and the also seems to be just to keep, funneling more and more money but way more arms announcements. He wants to talk about setting up joint production ventures in the ukraine. More money for him. And his couple, you know, this makes sense. Um, there was a notion in Congress Just 2 weeks ago, i think, to stump up 24000000000. So you guys, i think someones going to correct me, im sure, but i think thats been blown out. It was a red. Yeah. Its temporarily. Yeah. What if you didnt go through this could boot the feet are about closing down the government. You know, ive gotten used to it, but its as were speaking gentleman, the mother spick. It has been turned off, but its only for like 45. 00 days. Okay. But it does send a very interesting method. George, a d is kind of a semantic thing, but we see a bill crystal, maybe we can talk about his whatever. Um, when the commercial directed it republicans, okay, they know they, they tell knows you and its in, in, in its a government regime and cant they know they cant win, but they want to avoid losing. I dont know if you see what i mean by that. By not losing, they just keep it going, right. They keep it going and now you have the you, you pay defense. Secretary was those given in ends of you to the tell they have a lot of them, which is the well actually were going to send you k troops directly into the combat zone and your brain. Yeah. The have. Uh, you know, if you, if you came naval ships in the black sea, because were a naval power and we know out of fights and, you know, as a, well, thats the dramatic escalation. Now, i mean, be the, you know, the russians. I think the russians are really liked to take us a swipe at the british. They dont like the british. I mean, i think, you know, we can say that the russians, they dont like the germans, but at least i have respect for the drums. They dont like they might because they have respects of the americas. They dont like or have any respect for the british. So if you can, it really does want to go down this box. I think were going to get stones, and i dont think that were going to be able to call in nates so to bail them out. So, but this is live, but you know, its, its a of a piece of however ridiculous this wars. However, literally as being a shave, there are still directors like this. Well, yeah, weve got to do more. You know, weve got to get a demo directly involved. I the martin who is everybody seems in british leaders. So they all kind of, you know, churchill in curious. Okay. And you know, you see kind of be like churchill now. I mean, i, i, when i read that i want, i thought, come on, this is like the bill to babylon be, i mean, is scam beating the subject. I cant be serious, but apparently is how do you explain that . I mean, is there any support for and on the ground martin . No, i dont think its serious. I. I really dont. I think its just, im a new defense minister because ive seen that experience a tool in the dont see a testing the water and feeding this out to his few. Journalists, you know, who are ready to rewrite his his, his speech is or is or is not since i cant see that actually have been taken very seriously. Although i did site on your show, a branch of the very beginning of this company. I did say, i think it was a matter of time before british or american troops would be on the ground. I think that is still a possibility, but in a formal capacity, if, if this madness continues, you know, a sooner or less so. Um, the idea of taking seriously, the idea of most of the rates of professionals, private soldiers is going to be put into the for is that is going to be discussed at some point because the main problem is lensky has, is, you know, you can list all the major problems, but his main problem is just to go the numbers. And so, you know, just recently done this. I would also say he doesnt have the numbers. Yes, i agree. Let me throw at the george to that. Doesnt have the air superior already. We had none of this makes any sense without cares. If you can control the hair, you cannot protect your man and not tailor it and everything else. And the russian simply refused to give them that. Okay. And they never will george . No, thats right. So thats why, you know, hes one shot and thats been clear for a long time is to get laid so directly involved that you have to get them so that theyre actually involved in some, uh, shooting well. And um, and theres still a possibility of that that could happen there. You know, weve, weve, weve talked about different scenarios, some kind of a weapon of mass destruction, the Nuclear Power plant is destroyed or Something Like that. But with that put, provoke a direct action. But other than that, and if you look at this map, you have to realize that you, ukraine, which is something as obvious, ukraines kind of when this will by itself. And then yesterday youll say, well, why dont you endless . Well then why youre just sending, you know, tens of thousands of troops to the disk. Well, that goes to that. So thats my nature. Thats been a 2 line while we go to just keep this will going. Even though theres simply no prospect of winning and the, the rationale which is, well, we are weakening, we are degrading russia. Were, you know, i mean, the, the, it isnt happening. So what, when, why you just gaping those go it and well thats, thats this of the people within nato. And that includes the, the, by the most racial as a British Government and the number of governments in europe. Well when it just the it keep it going. Well we have this election now is in slovakia that clearly of the dissenting voices in europe and a tell you precisely. This is nonsense. This is this is leading to complete catastrophe. Well embark name a weekend. Oh, you know, the nato can serve as much as it wants. Uh, and the Russian Forces and ukraine and heavy they can be a very long term. But one of the things that just not talked about enough and i think is very serious, is that youre, youre, youre having a societal, klaus and ukraine. I mean, you know, you can talk about numbers all you want, okay. And get the men back from europe and you know, and put them in the military. But you know, you the greatest society down so much, then its that ends up being a total pre ball collapse. And then then what do you do . And, and i and i, i dont personally, i dont think the russians want that. I think john meter, some are really, but its best and its something to ponder and its really dark. But he said the rush of all wind, but it will be an ugly, big tree. And thats the, thats why i think the ugliness is the societal collapse of ukraine. It will be a no man. So nobody is going to invest money in that at all. Go ahead, but we are, we are any of the is the pollutants that doesnt want that as much. One of the reasons why it doesnt go with lion and just filled out invasion. It doesnt need to, as it was, i think, written in the New York Times, basically referring to i think the also mentioned that pitching does not need to do anything over the light, doesnt need to do any full attack. Hes got time on his side. The idea is we just sit and wait and we watch the ukrainian release. I mean time model is just basically include on itself and thats already happening. And you talk about this as a, as a breakdown. Nobody is more conscious of that. And so lets give self cholenski knows that politically, hes losing power, hes losing improves and i think the board and ministration also knows that. And i think the way out the all from the american commentators always talk about, but never elaborate, you know, to the, all from, could be origin change in ukraine. And you take advantage of a new person in to actually start a whole new process, a piece. Totes, you know, the americans are pushing the landscape to hold as the leg since next year is resisting and for good reason. He knows the ethics. Theres a different political logic and im going to actually give different state to george because this has been his mantra for a year and a half 20 months. Is that its going swimmingly for the americans. George, why should they worry . Okay, what is this . The ukranian thats willing to fight. Things are cool. Were good. Dont actually exactly that. And the that the american leaders have been lots of this out on many occasions, which is i know americans are dying and were making a lot of money. The i mean only on contractors, and then of course, all the private equity funds, will they hedge funds there will making money that will be compensated by american tax with american taxpayer as opposed getting screwed over level to losing money. But nobody really cares about them. The other thing is, i dont think they want to get rid of the landscape is precise, is what we were talking about earlier is joe, is hes the perfect. Ill buy, you know, however much you can bring up the subject of not as a, hes a do. How can it be possible . It is a building not this is that you can youve loss of the hour, but so, so i think is far too useful for the americans. Is leading ukraine to complete the task of the, the americans now well know this, but they dont care about that. Hes making them a lot of money so i dont think i have any additional getting rid of him. Yeah, i dont think they have a Pension Program for him because he wont be around to collect it. Okay. 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