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All right, the short set to lead to dont us to getting set to minutes. I a michael caught your head, ill see you again. Bye. Now. The what kind of person blows the whistle on bank fraud and tax evasion is fired, pounded, and prosecuted. And then double is down and does it again, what kind of person takes on one of the biggest oldest and most important banks in europe takes its best shot. And then the best shot of this with government, and does it again, a whistle blower. Thats who i am, john, carry onto welcome to the whistle blowers the. 2 2 to our next guest is an activist, a whistleblower and a former swiss private banker. Rudolph elmer worked as a banker for swift banking powerhouse julius bare, eventually heading the banks caribbean operations in the Cayman Islands from 1994 to 2002 in late 2001 julius bears internal security, discovered that some internal data had been downloaded and it required that every employee submit to a polygraph exam. These internal documents were proof that the bank was involved in fraud and International Tax evasion. When initially approach rudolph didnt take the polygraph exam for health reasons, but he took it later and he failed. The bank had a policy at the time that any employee who failed the test would be fired and his employment was terminated. But he still had custody of the documents on the thumb drive. In 2005, we would have sold us with business newspaper, a cd with 160 megabytes of data on it, but was almost immediately arrested in zurich on suspicion of violating bank secrecy laws. He sat in custody for 30 days and started a website for whistle blowers as soon as he was released in 2008, the german magazine. There spiegel revealed that rudolf was the source of documents that had recently appeared on the weekly leaks website. These documents revealed that julius bear had held their customers funds by funneling them through offshore accounts, to increase profits, and to avoid swiss taxes. Julie as bare, denied the allegations, but rudolf responded by personally handing over to juliet assigned Additional Information on to 1000 account holders. That came from 3 banks, including julie as bare in in january 2011 rudolf went on trial for violating bank secrecy laws. Coersion and attempted blackmail. He was convicted and sentenced to 2 years probation and a fine of 5600 year owes what authorities didnt know was that rudolph just 2 days earlier, had provided wiki leaks with yet more information. So on the day of his conviction, he was arrested again and charged again with violating bank secrecy laws. A 2nd trial was held in november 2011. But the price of fusion was not able to prove that rudolph had actually violated any laws in the end. Even the swiss and german media agreed that this was a complex case. And rudolf elmer is a complex person. One newspaper said, quote Rudolph Elmer is the model case of a whistle blower. Hes no angel, but almost all whistle blowers are complex cases and quote, were glad to have rudolph elm or joining us today. Rudolf, welcome to the show. Thank you to him for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to talk about switzerland. And its julie because this and the banking dog. Were happy to have you. And im interested to know how this whole thing got started. You had a job that would be the envy of most people. You represented a major bank in the paradise that is the Cayman Islands. But you saw something that shook you into action. Tell us about that. And i chose is concerned about the kind of the tracking all tray. So i was chief operating officer accountant, compliance officer. I guarantee on secure display to an investment manager or hedge funds, private equity funds, and football. If hes an expert in the united, in Cayman Islands. Now i had several old shocks to deal is. Its not just on the bottom. The 1st one is uh, the charge that dive us by you, based on the criminal light deck thats locked right off the bank, asked the request thats all stuff past due before them a party got test and make this a completion date before the and for the golf test to continue to act for the bank. What right do they have to put up human beings to machine and use the machine to destroy somebody . Professional life. If the bank police a prosecute to even the guy for the c i, or even theres a serious trimming of the next talk off plain about the reviewing the backup types of the bank. I learned that the Trust Company department, not the company does, department serves a Mexican Police officer and drop the lot on the matter involving construction eats and many other cream and notes. There was plenty of froth and even suspect the federal financing. But the boss, no doubt the bank advised the client how to commit crimes and was using its to just back group secuity portfolio. Housing became ins to have a tax it on top of a k y c boss. Clearly no issue or st for also were written by the president of the produce back group. I know tighten. Yes clay. Thats east las called k u. I see in those states. The 3rd shock i have it while its related to 911. 00, which happens falls months before the light. It takes the test, and i often travels with us to conferences or to new york se, until all in the bank. I accuse me in the california courts of making rights, in the sense of 911 when to quote those, the 3 key legs and the 1st amendment of the united states, free speech and prepress. The purpose was to destroy my credibility, or even estimate me with the help of the united states. I felt so no rather, and later i end up in continuum of a fortunately us senator call laving. And the chief investigator of the us senate was texted to me and understood about whats really going off for struck in 2000, i could even prove and attend health, narrative me in the Cayman Islands. Luckily i survived. I had threats from the bank sought to buy the go for a deep dive, its by the, for your family, corporate, etc. So these are the things which shouts to me. Really. I have to admit that i was surprised by the quickness with which the bank realized that somebody had access documents. How did that happen, and how was the bank able to identify you so quickly . When i returned to switzerland, i informed now easily the space tax authorities and prosecution, and late there is with media about what is going on in the Cayman Islands. They spelt that terrible mistake i made because i believe they what protect me. And most importantly, my family there is today, no doubt that the authorities informed the bank. And this we use paper, i would sense that they thought in order to have it published, the publishing never happened in switzerland by the way. So the new state of faith that provides its the state the officially to the bank and report it about my purse. I am a mentally sick person, a criminal. Im out on the for revenge. That doctor. Uh, but nothing about the criminal clients and the dubious business which was clearly explained on the data. In other words, i have the adopt a on that ness of citrix tax authorities, parties prosecute this dot just and say strongly to all protected the goals. And the cost of sweets, bank secrecy, i expose the tools the through phase off switzerland. I think a friendly charge wrote to me about in prison and he wrote, you are big expressed to the system, then the red army, the ira, etc, to the world. Because you use inflammation at know why then that is lots the bank offered me a lot of money. The bank of the a lot of money on and off me to close all criminal cases against me. If i keep side correct, the bank had the power to close all the legal cases, guns lots. Darcy kelly. However, im not a person who accepts cash money. I rather pay to go to pricing. You appear to have made a decision very early on that you were going to tell the truth about what was happening at julia spare consequences. Be damned. And certainly things devolved quickly for you. Tell us about your personal situation at the time. Were you married . Did you have children . Did you have to go through this experience alone . How did you handle the pressure of the bank, essentially falling on your head . And this was the authorities seeking to have you locked up in a jail . Now about making a decision, how of making my decision, i could not even make some decisions. I was forced to go public. I needed the protection of the spot public because the bank and the authorities used cream and so method to hire us to solve and direct me and my family. My family received the best price. Even my 6 year old daughter, the bank exposed expense, approximately which i learned from the loyalty to us bank, about 1500000. 00 us dollars. Using private detectives to perform psychological peril for several months. For instance, my daughter did not want to go to the school anymore because in her its like man approach chair and all foot chocolate. The baltic car chase by my wife and my adult about follows on the highway in c, r, a private detective strove at 10 pm in our that then throat and make noise. I wouldnt naples, were a freight, but the police and prosecution look the all the way they stated to the neighbors safely. So uh, a person is upset and everything is fine. To go through the experience alone, i was entirely on my own if my ex and if you have 2 exceptions and these are the real heroes of the story. Its my wife and my daughter who kept me for not going mad because i bought the all the right, the suffering from a say their post Traumatic Stress is or to confound by leading medical experts. On the other hand, the big thing support of switzerland or Human Rights Watch or the and you, well known, 40 stations playing thing style a loss and still it is at all. And its ness. If you blow the whistle in switzerland to date, i handled the pressure the way i handled the pressure this. There are several factors. Im a real religious person. I had a brilliant psychologist who coached me an exceptional t. Peyton lloyd lady lawyer who fight it in the courtroom like a lion for its off springs and great support when i was 3 months in a christian mental thought. There i learned to think like the german year of the, the bone high for, or will fight the denazis to things like gone the and Martin Luther king. And all this open to my eyes message use against me were the same as the not to many against jewish people, except they could not kill me. I lost all their id a valid on public because it became Crystal Clear that and i and my family the talk at the space showed the co ill forward this and the government. We are going outside the law up using that petition, you know, or to talk is in a sense, pete, i understood the mo, the so for on the used with a case in switzerland to fight proof that it was. And in the recent case, it like bradley b, i confess u b. S. How the font johnny relate to hsbc, geneva, travel kitchen. Uh yes me, montague, jeremy has missed a and many auditors all po, 3 is loss that i was trying to teach and put back to society about things which will never become public unit democratic state. The democrats, democratic states, known as a role models for democrats, the, my, you, its not a role model, the code to be thrown by any of the, the banks this, this is just, this fact hurts me to my heart as a full, im a captain of the space all me about it is the truth. Thank you. Read off elmer. Stay right there. Were speaking with Swiss Banking whistleblower, rudolph, elmer about his revelations of swiss bank. Julius bears involvement and fraud and tax evasion. When we come back after the short break, well get into some of the specifics of his whistle blowing. Stay with us. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 the, the membership of stainless things, let me go up a success that i knew what a single age control is. Very know your. Im doing this for him. Oh if im for the 1st flesh, why dont you your Family Friends or family plan . Was it one of the sugars dealer presenting Energy Authority to get the i see, im assuming what the pope with tears rolling on that i was searching for the premium. Of course they ran it through 4 different here. Its a couple times, ive used the charlotte and the brown, the Soldier Monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the soviets. Authorities originally built above the burial site of troops remains. Its a memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war to the department service. Give william for the familiar transitional in, in 2007, the custodial government decided to relocate the monument from the city center for one year on the bridge of pardon me to a to the frustrating to move divided the population is stony, is large of Russian Speaking Community strongly opposed to an intense rising, broke out, and talent resistance become the as the problems and night drives me to bring people across the ok welcome back to the rest of wheres im john to reaku. Were speaking with rudolf elmer. Hes a whistle blower who revealed to the world Swiss Banking giant. Julius bear was involved in fraud and tax evasion through its offices in the Cayman Islands. Good to have you with this rudolph. God, thank you for being here again and speaking about the the financial industry of switzerland or in switzerland in general. Rudolf, tell us a little about the nature of your whistle blowing. You did it over the course of several rounds, so to speak. What was the initial information and what did you do with it . At the initial information, the a loss about the way to a spare handle of the trust as a business in the trust the parkman, the indicating an island. And thats the, the, the they, when i learned how things work and i thought the, the, the, the detail thing, the in the Truck Department on back up, they bought uh, the backup tape officer. He, i left the lock in the sense that, uh, i had the secretary at home because the bank requested me to uh, take everything back up paypal or to, to, uh, uh, to use it in case if that is a fire in the bank. So i started the that date, the fuck initially, i also can say that i challenged management quite often in yeah, in the bank and even in c, r a gun, the i really felt theres something going on which i called success. But they didnt really take notice then i requested a little ation of my professional performance on that, which was brittany and i truly except on science. And uh they said the im a critical safety person. So thats basically of us to start. Hes fine. Concurrently with your 1st trial, you sent Additional Information to wiki leaks, or did you one version that i saw was that you turned over to wiki leaves a disk that was blank. Can you walk us through that . Was there a 2nd revelation to wiki, leaks, and if so, what does that include now . So youre talking about the handing over of 2 tvs in the prompt line cloth of london. Then judy has told us to do. Yeah, i saw was there. So those to see these at no data on it, that was on the a film about the recent blowers. Im not that stupid to and the what they to publicly and rolled for us, the staff because i had to assume that the english for the east was and to the to show when say look, if i see the uh so the idea of that time, the overall off to make public aware of the legal trial in switzerland 2 days later, that was one purpose of the 2nd purpose lot. And the date of off of they are 70. It wasnt the only they bills to disparity wealth all till they go for the banks and so on. Uh my uh, Legal Support of the us stopped the handing over the of the dial the wheel cd in order to make sure because they knew that uh whats going on in switzerland that i meant already to present them, but they didnt go onto to get them more a be done to go often. So its actually about to protect the measured by on the one hand. On the other hand, it was the we in the a marketing event to show a to make, to put the spotlight on the trial in switzerland because he thought about swiss bank secrecy. And the world press actually turned off in theory. Explained to us what happened in court in your 2nd trial. The prosecution essentially just fell apart. What happened there . What really happened is is the fact that my Employment Contract, which was confiscated by the persecution office and kept it for 7 or 8 years because these contract really shows that ive also employed in the Cayman Islands. And that you, that its not possible to apply to based bank secrecy in the Cayman Islands, to an employee who is employed in became in that, uh, employment uh, contract actually uh, by accidental turned it over to me by the police officer. If i had to go with some data and find us which they had called these guys and we actually my lawyer is dope. Then thats Employment Contract uh to legal uh, experts the of the in switzerland both of them both even a uh, federal law, chopped in employment law. And they wrote the 2nd opinion uh, which actually mark pete provide some of pete who is known in switzerland as one of the most well known experts in monita, aubrey rose that the you cant apply at the, the, the suspect secrecy. And the caymans, thats not possible. So uh, even so. Uh they uh, they uh, and finds me guilty again. Again, uh, in 2014, but in 2016 uh, at the higher caught up. See, all right, which is the 2nd level they they had to this come up uh to uh, change the word to the main and they really on. So whats going on, and therefore the doctors of the lawyer court way, actually for the they slay part of the dirty game. Thank you Rudolph Elmer, for joining us and for sharing your harrowing story of whistle blowing. Well leave it there. And thank you to our viewers for joining us. Whistle blowing is tough. Its very tough. In many cases, it takes over our lives and changes their very course, but is the great industrialist. Henry ford says, quote, ops tools. Are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals . And thats why in the end whistle blowers are so often successful. Even when the cost is very high. The goal is bigger than we are. The goal is the public good. Thats why we do it. Thanks for joining us for another episode of the width of lowers. Im john kerry on who will see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 or the sous 2060 numerous monuments to serve as soldiers and potent ukraine, and the Baltic States have been destroyed all vandalized fish their stuff, but it must be the must or even some others could i ask if i dont think so thats the most on whether its, its especially almost a thing in the Police Government denies the rule of, so itd be assumed just in the victory of a naziism. And is it raising historical memories of world war 2 . 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