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We can states now that the 2nd trasha optic assignment has taken place regardless of what the western media try to write about that. What do you see around us today . Those the 1st best lease from what there was to in that 1st saw made for years ago in 2019 what has changed things that you have the most. Theres meaningful sound, but i think the very approach hasnt changed during that for summit. Our goal was to declare that russia is returning to africa. We were making a statement today. So there was a session when a speaker said that in russian, the verb to do has 2 aspects, perspective and in perspective, name perspective aspects needs to be doing walter effective needs to finish doing something to arrive at a certain result. So i think as the summit we arrived at Great Results because we werent speaking very specifically very consistently. We realize that the African Market is usually promising for us. I mean, we really came to understand that on all levels, not just on the level of lets work with africa, could be an opportunity. But because we need it, we need it because many other markets that we use to look at are now closed for us. Willingly or not, we had to set our sights on all their marcus, including the african war. Well, we have worked with china for quite a while in that market has grown by 2 or 2. 5 times. Now the African Market still remains a place that we need to expand. We are willing to do that. And whats important, we realize that we should cooperate with africa, not only through trade, but through helping build advocacy future on the base of its goals. And those goals are, 1st of all, Industrial Development and energy development, followed by improvement of education and scientific cooperation. This is the same range of opportunities that russia can open up for africa because those are rushes trunk to it. As for example, we had this science session today, ive just come back from it. So when they were planning it, our scientists would ask this, what are we going to talk about with the africans . So one of the speakers was me, hired combust structure, and then head of the course shut off is where the atom make bomb was created. Maybe it is thanks to that bomb. We are still alive because me how you go to bed. I would say, had it not been for the bomb, the whole world would have long bean and americans call in a so called our troops noted and his address that the 1st textbook of x rays, he had read as a student, was published in 1939 by a south african scientist, votes africans and us have similar approaches to science. We both talk about scientific and technological sovereignty. They ask, why should we just adopt others technology. We need to develop our own and rely on our century long experience and wed be interest of our countrys in mind. Instead of doing something that somebody elses needs, that is fine as through grants and serves to advance someone elses agenda because one of the sessions devoted to the environmental agenda, a young woman from an african country was speaking. And i had the impression that she had been completely trained and to in this western approach, she spoke a lot about the green agenda about the importance of advance in it and about how many issues are important to africa. However, older than these 3 points, she said nothing else, no word was said about how to combine those problems. What has to be changed . Who is responsible for the climate situation that we find ourselves in and why countries the didnt contribute so much to the pollution of the environment like africa, for example. Now for some reason have to pay for the mistakes of others. You know, we said could have recorded a video of her, you would have been an example of how young people are trained now in the west. Besides, i speak certain african languages. So i addressed that young woman in her countrys native language. But she immediately switched to english. It goes to show that ross, i cannot afford to miss its oppertunity. If we stop our efforts in active cooperation with africa, we are going to boost africa because the west has lots of programs to brainwash africas youth. And they are willing to take well to do that. Whats important though is that there was very few people like that girl here. Most of our form guests from africa know very well what they want from restaurants. Thats one thing. The 2nd they realized though we are in the same boat, we both want to get rid of the legacy of your calling, elizabeth, which hasnt gone anywhere. Moreover, its taking new forms, one of the worst of which is the intellectual and information space. It applies also to the field of mass media or western Media Outlets dominate. It applies to the intellectual spirit as well when both education and science are designed to serve the interest of the west. We have a common understanding of our goals and a common desire to resist pressure. Africans shows that very vividly during the summit was there can be a lot talk about on this. And there has been coverage in the media that was the 1st time it had 44 president s. Only 17 president s showed up this year. Well, lets not pride about the number of president s in attendance. Lets look at the real results. Especially considering that a total of 29. 00 delegations came to rush off from africa, which is a very good number at the sort of those funds to some of the you mentioned the same boat that we are rain. I think there is yet to not the us back to where we share the same boat and that is the values. And this is the values that are being enforced now will be a moral once touching up on things like family tender and old base. We see resistance on the part of african countries against the inforcement of those values d. C. We have these commonality between russia and africa countries in this aspect as well, who is willing to give them up room. I think his sister and i will share a little secret with you when youre preparing for the lenary session. We talked with the president of our country to attempt to arrive before the session. Begin and talk to the participants of the Plenary Session, ask them short questions. And during that conversation, results experts present into my reception said that people needed to build the walls to which our president responded, is thats the most important thing is well, the main goal of what we are trying to do. She said, of course not that we need to reach a certain level, and that is true to say the west is focused on over consumption. And that doesnt make any sense. Who needs all that . Then i phones are 20 pairs of shoes, will not make you happy, or eating hamburgers all day will not make you happier. But that is the model. They offer consumers and the devoid of any spiritual dimension people are taught to consume and not give back. In session added to, to get credit and globally, it is imposed on the african countries present to this some example that everyone should follow. And if i are to because its not even the scariest part of the scariest part is the tag on human nature itself. That we see happening in the west, kind of some old as gender diversity, transgender persons and everything. This agenda brings about it will get us to the point where instead of leaving beans, we will have semi engineers, bio robots who might be beautiful on the outside capable of satisfying their desires. But they will not be able to reproduce the child we called sept. And promotion of same sex relationships will lead humanity to instead, and we will become, make something, do you understand that . And we will die spiritually before we die. Physically, who needs a World Without spiritual values. Africa understands this well. And african countries react to so called Democratic Values in no uncertain terms. The president of youve gone die, your, he must have been e, who is wildly respected in africa, was very clear when he talked about the issue that hes not the only one africans are aware of the importance of spiritual religious values and the into religious dialogues that patriarch, carol of moscow talked about the majority of africans of christians. But there are a lot of most names to the understand the importance of such dialogues. They know that as humans, we must grow spiritually, intellectually and culturally africas culture is theres range. There are thousands of ethnic was there, there are similarities and differences, and it is important to value every human being every make or cultural groups. And i think that during this forum, weve demonstrated that russia and africa shared this approach with who is that you mentioned the preparation of the plan, the recession, that he moderates with the russian president for some mom, the participants. Can you tell us more about that . How did you feel moderate in the conversation . What impressed you the most . Did you hear any ideas that your thoughts were very important . No garden, your simple i by chance it was a great responsibility. Of course, i wouldnt say there was fear because this was the 2nd time for me. I also model rate is a session. And the 1st thing to nomic for in the format was a bit different. Back then present inputs in, and each of the president habits such situs b, c came to the stage from the audience, i delivered their addresses and went back to their seats. What as this time, we were all on the stage the whole time and discuss the issues that concern russia and ask because the most unfortunately, due to time limitations, people couldnt ask questions as the moderator i was it has. Weve given a brief introduction for isa speaker, and then i had to summarize their main talking point. Trust me. This wasnt easy. Despite being a member of the russian academic of sciences, a well educated person with extensive public speaking experience, i still felt the pressure. What impressed me the most is the people that were present in the room. 2 participants were hired to be their, our present, and as the head of the summit of the country, and as on the se, mom, the president of the common rooms and the current chair, person of the african union. But i was surprised to see some other prominent figures there. Our patriarch, for example. He came to the Plenary Session because the form didnt just focus on economic issues. It was also a humanitarian event, and patriotic to real was there to contribute to the humanitarian agend. Talk about spiritual values and the future of humanity. Duma, recessive presence was a surprise, result doesnt seem to have anything to do with africa. But going back to our conversation before them partnering, she mentioned along with another panel listening to benefit or ahmad, that some brazilian regions as try can be close to africa. Their dance and music styles, their approach to life and even the color of their skin are very similar. In essence, reeseville is a country with very strong historical and cultural ties to africa. As for benefits or amok, his participation was quite exact active since he was also present at the winery of the previous forum. Held insult she in 20. 19. This time he was invited as well. The 1st russia has a big share in africa in that 25 percent. If im not mistake, is this a 2nd making our cooperation work financially . Is one of the most pressing issues on the agenda . How will we end up . Because making payments each other yesterday model rated especially on fertilizer exports organized by you are awesome. And we have the head of x i or nick it that we saw on the panel. He said there are 3 main ways for us to solve the problem. First, we will likely have to adopt the one in the short term. If we want to avoid using the dollar. Its not ideal for rochelle, but it makes sense in short term. The 2nd stage will be trying to use national currencies. But in order to do that, we need to balance our imports and exports to end from africa, currently rationalize exports and 5 times more than it is important that our Companies May selling goods for local currencies. But how will they spend that money to . The 3rd option was the most interesting, and naturally it was welcomed by the african countries. We would invest our profits from selling our those into the development of the local industry. After local industries developed, we can get dividends. This way is a very interesting, the africans applauded. They said its just what they need. But its a Long Term Strategy which does not produce immediate results. You must wait 5 or 10 years. But its relevant in view of all that was discussed at the plenary and the speech of our president. In convert every aspect of our cooperation, you may have noticed that you also dedicated a substantial part of the speech to the humanitarian. Ask that including the development of educational and youth because africa has so many used 60 percent of 5 seconds or younger than 25. 00 the present and also announcing piece quotas. You mentioned that our ration should be based on technology equal partnership, right . So for me, it was the most pleasing thing to hear, and ive been saying this for long now, you just need to find something for yourself in this applicants in denver and the session we held fundamental science, the cornerstone of technological sovereignty was a confirmation of that was really, really happy with the african expect us to provide technologies later, but they said that they needed in a logical independence just as we do. Because ross side is also technologically dependent. And the west is also offering technologies to us. I think it was the minister of education of molly, who said that we should work for our selves. Instead of working for the west. We must, you decide which means to study, to read our own research. Instead of copying the way i thought were being offered is to copy this copy in this universal isnt, does not say rough shot more often because with their diverse and unique multinational cultures, what are they upset when they talk to representatives of african countries . Many of them mentioned this term, cooperation that existed in the soviet times and see the trash of them became self absorbed for several decades. And now has finally turned back to africa. Now were seeing increasing focus on the continent. Do you think russia is doing enough . What else can we do to intensify the calculation with which im gonna give it across with many of the africans i talked to ask for you. How can we be sure that russell was not abandoned . Us will not leave us high and dry like you did when you was this our fell apart. I assured them that we wont do that though we hadnt really needed to deal with the problems at home. But the, our self absorption was a mistake. Because our domestic problems are very much connected to our foreign policy, and the african strategy should be integrated with our countrys development entrance. China has always done this. Its really important that we learn from china in this regard. What can be done to intensify this partnership . Im the 1st and Infrastructure Partnership needs to be created and it should be based on partnership between the public and private sectors. We wont companies to work on the african continent and state to provide the necessary conditions, but it shouldnt only be for 3520 or 30 big companies. What perfectly capable of working in africa as we need to support regional enterprise, small and medium sized businesses, and we need them to build size with the african partners through their cooperation. So thats one thing, thats the way the infrastructure that is easy to understand. What was the 2nd we need to build financing mechanism. So that that how will the projects be finance . Who will do it . This needs to be decided, will it be the state and business, only business, or only in the state . I think all 3 are possible to 3rd. We need to decide about payment works. Many africans, including benedicts ramos says, look, were ready to trade in goods. Is that where do we get the rules . Who will make them available . Physic . Both the ministry of finance and the central bank are very concerned about this. So we need to address this. In other words, theres a whole range of issues to be addressed. But at least we understand what we were talking about. Youre talking about trade. We need to stop trading with africans to european intermediaries. Im serious, despite all the sanctions, many tropical farming products are still purchased in this round about way a triple cost, just because its convenient for us to do it through your partners to see if we want to end this situation and we need to build our own International Cargo insurance and re insurance system and build our own logistical. Some companies are ready to do that on the far Eastern Shipping Company headed by and race of and he loves hes an interesting person by the way, is ready to do it. Yeah. Or with the launching their own lines to egypt and morocco, and theyre willing to work in west and east in africa as well. So. So, so if we establish a clear making isnt the find the tools make the decision and commit to it. I believe our cooperation will double just or even triple in the coming years. And the 40, per se, would extend to new colonial policies on the flash drive for these partnership, which is colon perhaps lower than we on the african countries would like. But its there, you know, colonialism is a multi layer concept. It includes the ongoing attempts to impose democracy upon african countries, which are opposed to eat, because its contrary to the nature and there are many of them, monday, the stations. So how much do you think these attempts these various many this patients, including the efforts do therapy do this . Saw me to propel the intensification of bratia africa relations. The sentence to on the one hand destructive but on the other hand, they drive forward these partnership. Ironically that you are absolutely right, essentially loved by the west on us to bolster our relations with all the regions of the world. Technically because of the countries we used to interact with are no longer available. This is number one and they also help in terms of ideological motivation. The africans we have faced the rows of audio is and you know, colonial policies, no feeling well what they are doing when hes there is unlike some of our closest neighbors were brain washed and are told that restaurant is a colonial power. That was never really experienced colonial rule in the history. On the contrary, russia always invested much more in them than it did in itself. They had far higher live in sanders lots of yeah. Is going. Yeah. And we 20, i have always had the highest standard of living. We all know that the applicants have 1st hand experience of loan. Yellow is theyve for the brand of a, of a 20 the variables situation. And the product will probably go the congo, the country that was treated by king leopold, the 2nd of belgium. As his private property, the condo, these people were taken to brussels and displayed in the zoo. And in the congo, europeans use the african bodies to try robert is near the robbers that over them. And once it drives squared off with their skin and pages, the wound was murdered there. And you know, this act of returning his gold crowned tooth. I dont know, its out of all proportion. And africans realized is that some human, completely in here me, they realized that when the west sells them to keep away from russia shaking affairs, that them, thats neo colonialism. The african said to that that they want to take their partners on their own because they are silver and countries and will partner with whoever they want. So the west is getting a backlash from africa. They all these the over did, the pressure is a chest a little bit today. Everyones task that the world has changed. And advocates changing to the frequent countries a very diverse they differ a significantly from one another. And yet the united, the community thats willing to be a player in the woman who wrote older is that its going your son, you present those knowledge. And so they want to play a meaningful part horse. And most importantly, to do it in independence over in way they know full well the advocates significance is growing. Jeffrey, they say themselves, the advocate will be home to almost a 3rd of the worlds population quite soon. This means that the flow of goods, all production chains, will be redirected to that region to a considerable extent after the currently has the Fastest Growing middle class, if its faster than asia, even china. So you can say that africa is like a tiger boys to leap over the same as china in the early 19 nineties. And its clear to africas role in the Global Economy is going to increase the for the, of as an agency to fully formed. It needs to be supported, not by the west, which can only provide state assistance, but by the countries that are really prepared to live as becomes a partner with whoever it wishes to. Ive always said that equals the silver and spade student interact on an equal basis. Partnership with such a countries is a 2 way street. If we want to work with africa, we need to understand what it means and what we our selves and meet and look for the most beneficial areas for poor operation. Which reports. And its in the permanent representative of prussia to the u. N. Sat that question 8 to africa is a heap of christine. The west overlooks crosses their antics townsley to help test for the sake of publicity. And what kind of help can russia offered to make a difference and better meet the needs of epic on listening to someone who havent put in substance them. We put this well, we are following the principle of giving efficient road instead of fish. Yes, we are taking part in all programs. Through the one World Food Program we have supplies, fertilizers may do 2 shipments. Kenya and once in malawi, absolutely free. And we had to overcome a lot of barriers. We are ready to supply 300000 tons and move that is welcomed by the countries we are providing food a president to and has says that this 1000000 tons of fleet even less that ukraine had supplied to africa. And now, after the green deal was canceled, it wont be able to deliver it. But were really to give it for free. Over the last 18 months since the beginning of the special military operation, we have supplied africa, was 22000000. 00 tons or 22. 00 times more than ukraine has done. This is what i want to stress. The west hippocratic lease is that russia has not delivers. And now russia is orchestrating simon that compel 1000000 and 20 to millions. Most importantly, we are not just donating, we can provide humanitarian helps, for instance, assist in training and National Workforce today. A lot has been said not only about Higher Education about Vocational Training too, by the way, this question was overlooked here in russia as well. Remember we used to have these will patients please know they are replaced with some colleges, but they are less than efficient back to our health. It should be practical and not showing. Once they did a study on german, a think it turned out that every 4 out of 5 do tomorrow were paid to german specialists involved in the project. And the people who dealt with that 8 and decided when they should go. It means that only one in 5 dodge marks or when you percent was real health, we are doing things differently. We possibly, certainly ask you one last question. Here on the sidelines of the forum, i talked to woman from sending goals, who could move to st. Petersburg alone and go to my surprise, she started telling me how much and come on we russians house with the single lease. You talk to a lot of people from africa. Is there any thing common between russians and africans . Is a full yes. Yes, of course. There is, i agree, african say that russian mentalities, closer to them than that of china, for example, or europe. Africans are not over organized. They can get things done informally. You know, they once told me that both russians and africans can settle matters by unwritten rules. Its funny, but its true then russians are open hearted and find, you know, russian people how we rushed to help our friends and can put everything on hold for their sake and africans. Id say we have a rich, true that we value and we also take interest in other cultures. We are interested in other people to not just ourselves. There is individual is and as opposed to collectivism, i believe we have a collective his mind in africa is collect to this historically collective economy. The communal farming model is that both africa and ross, i used to have, has defined our geno title. We need to be part of the Community Part of this and seem to be open towards others. And africans are like to thank you so much to this. Very exciting to talk to you the the russian states never is as tight as one of the most sense community best. Most all sense and up in the system must be the one else holes. Question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the russians per day and split the ortiz next. Even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. For what question did you say . Even twist, which is the piece of an early monday morning, has been shifted. Hey, but its dont yet. Safety center came on the phone i from ukraine shedding. You can see the sky, the devastation behind me, of one dead tan wood. And the latest the plan is showing on the, on the pool, sorry, the triangle boils a night, does crowds attack the points and the c protest off the move of colonial power cut leg to the west after the states following