Police clearance of a temporary migrant camp in paris. And the developers of russias new vaccine say its not just highly effective, but also highly affordable costing. As little as 20. 00. Those are world News Headlines for this hour. For more details, check out our website, r. T. Dot com. Ill be back with more in just about 60 minutes, and i hope to see you then a little in welcome to cross talk where all things are considered on puter. Now for the post mortem, how have the 2 Major Political parties changed in this election cycle . Can joe biden maintain an already weakened and divided Democratic Coalition . Is there such a thing as trump ism . Did he change the g. O. P. Or did the g. O. P. Change him . To discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guest, nick brown in washington. He is a National Coordinator with the movement for a Peoples Party also in washington. We have arvind bora. He is a former Libertarian Party president ial candidate, as well as author of the book, pull out men, modern life and mutiny. And in montreal we have lauren chen. She is a you tuber and host of pseudo intellectual or across up rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i was appreciate it. Ok, its going to lauren 1st here. Im just very broadly speaking. How has this election changed the political environment because theres so much focus on trump, all of the time that is kind of crowded out. Some of the interesting results of this election here. The g. O. P. Did it remarkably well, considering all of the predictions of doom and gloom. And then we see that the, the coalition that was behind joe biden, its quite fragile right now. And if you look at the demographic vote voting demographics, a lot of surprises there too. Going to the g. O. P. So what are your major takeaways in this postmortem of this election . Well, i think the 1st thing to note is that, you know, of course the election has not officially been called yet. Electors do not vote until december 14th, just have to put that disclaimer out there. You know, of course press is still calling for biden, but trump does have legal challenges regarding the parties. I think right now both of them are much more divided than i think they ever have been with the democrats. We have course, have the establishment more moderate people like joe biden, even though i hesitate to call him a moderate nowadays. But you also have the more progressive branch of the democrats, people like in his running mate, come on, harris, dont forget she backed medicare for all until it became too controversial to do so. And she kind of has since hopped on board joe bidens plan. But i would hesitate to assume that things would be status quo as usual, with Camilla Harris as part of the administration regarding the g. O. P. What i think we have now is also a fracturing bit of a different type right now, voters who vote for republicans. They are quite, quite heavily in support of donald trump. His Approval Rating has remained high among his base throughout his presidency. But we have, i think, a divide between the establishment politicians and the voters. And we see this very often now on social media, especially where trump voters give, i guess, give hack to the elected republicans who they feel as not holding the line for trump against the democrats. And weve seen people get called out time and time again. People like the mitt romneys of the world and even before he vacated office jeff flake and things like that. So im hoping in the future republicans will see a purging of i guess, the rhinos from their ranks. But i mean, Going Forward, i think politics are just going to be ugly, or as divisive as ever. And i think regardless of who ends up assuming the presidency, you know, going back to the status quo that perhaps we saw 10 years ago where we could expect at least some bipartisan cooperation. I dont see that happening. Lets go to the no same question to you. The major fault lines that have been exposed in this election because lauren hasnt, i think, is absolutely spot on. Because i think there are fissures in both parties. And because of the outsized personality, donald trump, in all of this, i dont think has been given it enough notice. And now we will start noticing it, and it is very, very important. And i dont think it critically books well for either party. Go ahead or if you look at the Democratic Party right now, you see 2 entirely irreconcilable parties. You see a hardcore socialist party and a suburban, moderate party that just have nothing to do with each other. Theyre entirely incompatible. And you can see those risks lines with in the Democratic Party. You can see it with a, in the democratic electorate of the elected democratic congress. People. On the republican side, youre seeing something a little bit different. On the republican side, youre seeing a rejection of the establishment from supporters and a vast majority of republican supporters have rejected diest ad, which meant people like g. W. Bush wouldnt really have a place in the modern Republican Party. Mitt romney is now a republican outsider. Right now, the Republican Party has kind of completed the cycle that began with the tea party, which is the rejection of the republican establishment. And its exciting to see that now the Republican Party is fighting things that previously had stayed away from bring lawsuits against affirmative action or the most unpopular programs in the country. Actually fighting for the rights of people who had different views from the center. People actually trying to make sure that there is freedom of speech going on and the desperation on the left against that both and the political sphere and the media sphere is showing just how much things have changed. You know, nick, how much is this . Does the personality of trump play into this because the trends that weve, weve heard from are been learnt are, theyre very, very real. And if youve been following politics, youve been able to see it. But the outside nature sized nature of donald trump was kind of, it kept this people away from focusing on that and i think now theyre going to have to do it. I mean, also, if it really, i think its stake in the Republican Party is the outsized influence of libertarians because we, the Republican Party remarkably is turning into what pay and work and ethnic working class party, which i never would have thought. Go ahead, nick. That is remarkable and it is the fact that including himself is in every way, shape and form creation. The Democratic Party is this kind of more neo fascist type figure as dr. Cornel west describes and but he was propped up by the Democratic Party as that hyper candidate by the d. N. C. In that fashion. And so to run as a candidate would be so fancy if that it would of course, were to help Hillary Clintons a victory. He was also, of course, only capable of winning because barack obama ran on progressive promises such as getting money out of politics, a Single Payer Health care system, expanding labor rights, tackling the climate crisis, abandoned. All its, those misses the moment that he was elected and they were serving wall street and not really coming out to the banks after the 2008 great recession. And so it was because of those things. 8 years of neoliberalism under obama devastated working people. 5000000 people kicked out of their arms that the ground was seeded for trump in the 1st place for him to rise. So there was a very interesting and i would appreciate if you wouldnt use terms like me, a fascist, because it be used terms like that. You can apply it to all kinds of parties and individuals. Its not the best term to be throwing around right now. A warrant, i mean, one of the things i find fascinating is that, you know, joe biden respected if you think of his politics, hes a, hes rather weak, you know, and i think we have, have sympathy for the elderly and all that. But it is, we have been when he was inaugurated in january with, with the, the ever present threat of donald trump out of the picture at least formally has he served his purpose for the Democratic Party because you know what the progressives are going to start, cannot get on the door and they said, you know, he kept saying, wait until the election wait till the election. I think thats where youre going to have a lot of pressure on his administration. Do and start paying back some favors. What do you, well, i think regarding abidance, mental fortitude with to be able to fulfill the role of presidency. I dont think its any secret that if he does get sworn in, what were essentially going to be seeing is the political equivalent of weekend at bernies. You know, its going to be, come all the harris pulling the strings. I our, his cabinet. I dont think theres many more. Well, there are a financially or michelle obama. Some people have even said, but i think for the democrats, what people need to keep in mind right now is that, you know, a lot of, and weve already discussed a lot of what is unifying them, is not necessarily any singular vision. Its more an opposition to tromp and what the republicans are offering, looking for. If biden does assume the presidency, we still have to remember that, you know, the democrat majority in the house has been whittled down and its looking like, you know, its legal challenge is still withstanding. The republicans will keep the senate and were also seeing a newly conservative supreme court. So i think the people who are worried or perhaps even hopeful that 2021, new progressive era need to check their expectations because there are still those checks and balances. And of course, i guess roe blocks to even if someone like Molly Harrison sanders wants to push something akin to the new green deal, for example through. There are a lot of barriers in front of that. And i think if the democrats want to keep their base together, theyre going to need to keep pushing the specter of trump, even if hes no longer around. Already seen this with a c. Saying, even if trumps not here we need to remember a lot of his supporters. A lot of his i think conspiratory are enablers, still are, you know, i mean, i think thats absolutely right because, and i think this is one of the by democrats, if i can say that are really tell me, because i dont think they want to have a reckoning with the progressive wing of their party, i think theyre terrified of them because you know, everything was present as you know, it, all we have to do is get across the line that its kind of like, you know, Robert Redford in the candidate. I date myself from a film in the 1970 s. , but the end of the film was he wins and then he says, what do we do now . What do the democrats do now . Because they got slaughtered in the house of representatives. I mean, and there are conservative democrats that actually could go with the republican minority here, but its not a rosy picture for them. No, its actually not a rosy picture because theyve had an xterm will force uniting them. And even though democrats it disagreed, i mean, you have suburban democrats who are by and large, not hard core socialists who so strong. They disagree with the center supporters. That disagreement hasnt gone anywhere. Its still there. But is there no longer unified by this extra real threat . So in order for the democrats to maintain any kind of unity, theyre going to have to hope that trumpet keeps things alive. Plans running 2024 maintains a specter otherwise theres literally nothing uniting the party. There is no commonality between people who are going to need. Let me jump in here without being an excuse for the Biden Harris Harris biden administration. Not to do anything because it will be an excuse in my mind, of course, because as long as they can keep the attention on. Heres, heres a look at the democratic, the Democratic Administration right now is going to gain more from keeping their base agitated. Then from giving their base any of the things that they actually want. Right now its become even more complex because not clear what their base less because half of their base doesnt want what the other half their base office jump in. But real quick before we go to the break. Yeah, if i could, i would disagree with that last point. I think its actually very clear what the Democratic Base wants when you look at the polls, its very clear what americans want. You see 88 percent of democrats in favor of medicare for all single payer system. Box news, exit poll, 72 percent of americans in favor of medicare for all bets this election. And that goes down the line of progressive issues. The kind of Bernie Sanders ran on getting money out of politics and im not going to, were going to go to what short break and after that show people continue work post mortem of the election. Stay with our team. Dont walk by wagon anymore, but ill go on or yours will put you out of them is important and i didnt do it will always be the good is it also helps hold on a proficient with me to keep it or dont or dont muddy people come up to the group to come on in about the how i live and im mad at them and the minimum time because im not bad with the internet, but oh, november creative i stick by them there as an adult. What about nanami . Them without being as high as it is about. Welcome back to cross up here. All things are considered. Im peter lavelle. Mind you. Were discussing the postmortem of the election. Ok lets go back to lauren. I remember during the campaign, but probably the only memorable thing that joe biden said, and he said to wall street, actually is that nothing will fundamentally change. You know, that kind of troubling on so many levels. Because that means if we could interpret nothing will fundamentally change meaning, go back to 2016, then this shows is my own, my own pig view of not understanding why trump won in the 1st place. I mean, again, i think these people dont seem to be very thoughtful about the, the, the impact of their words because there was something going on in 2016 and it shattered the foundations of the stablished. And poetry i think is going to ignore the last 4 years, go ahead. I think theyre absolutely going to try to and for biden, a lot of what he was running on, what is this idea of . Sorry, at their risk. Oh, definitely. And i think a lot of what biden has been running on was an appeal to normalcy. The idea that trump ushered in this crazy era of politics with his division and you know, all of this like the neo fascism and things like that. So biden, i think his main goal throughout his campaign was to say, hey, remember how things were back in the day. We can get back to that. And i think youre right in that its not a very a list of thing and its definitely not what i think most voters want. If we look at businesses as well, and its strange that he would try to champion that to wall street, considering his tax plan actually, and involves raising corporate taxes. And i think, considering the socialists in his party, i mean south of out socialist. I dont mean that as a slur in any sense. The idea that he has the control over the democrats to, you know, try to stop these more further left aspects of his party. I dont, i dont think he fully understands how strongly convicted people like the a c. And the Bernie Sanders of the Democratic Party really are so never mind even like i mentioned harris shes, shes a lot more progressive than he. It is. So i mean, i am Going Forward will, will this return to normalcy actually happened . I dont think so for many, many reasons. But i think for some biden voters, maybe suburban democrats, thats what theyre at least hoping for. Well, i mean, im going to be, im, im really sick and tired of people talking about the term. Oh ok. I mean, if you look at the financial crisis of 2008, you know, how many people suffered grossly in a bronco bomb . And his administration did virtually nothing except her help. The super rich. And then we have this economic downturn because of the pandemic here. And ive been a plague on both parties for not doing things for outreach people. Ok, i mean, thats me. Nothing will fundamentally change because i dont think the political establishment, particularly the democrats, because they were in power at the time. And they, they refused to understand the impact of what the economic turndown impact on people and how it impacted their, their, their own politics. Ok, and you know, trade, you know, that went into 2016 was a buddha is a non issue. It was a very big issue for a lot of people here and for a good reason here. So again, this, you know, nothing will fundamentally change except for joe biden. Will have nice tweets, isnt that ridiculous . Go ahead are what you saw in the primary a but portion of the election is the rejection of the democrats who are actually interested in changing anything. You had democrats who spoke out against the war on drugs which has become probably the one of the most unpopular political actions, one of most unpopular posi thats left in america right now. You had democrats who oppose involvement in foreign wars. People i told the gabbert who were the only people running, who really, as democrats, who opposed foreign wars and now your connector air, jamie is the only democrat that knew what she was talking about on top of it. Im sorry to interrupt. You dont have a fair point. And so what we see over there is the, these positions that the vast majority of American People want to change. And the rejection of that desire to change in the Democratic Party, you see essentially a coronation of joe biden and come all harris. These are both people, one who is essentially the architect of the drug war and the other, who is a major prosecutor in the drug war. So when you see the democratic establishment saying, were going to pick these 2 guys, not any of the people who are actually trying to change anything. Youre saying that theyre their goal is to try to present themselves as the status quo party, the safe party, the normalcy part of the anti trump party. And the thing is, once theyre in that position, there are going to be people that theyre going to need to answer to their own base is going to say, well, what about ending the war on drugs . What about ending these foreign wars are you can actually do anything about it, and when they predictably dont do anything about it, theres going to be a quite a reckoning. And nick, im so glad there are been said that i think any politician, they says im a status quo politician. Is going to be destroying ok because its the last thing people want is this that, oh, i mean, these political establishment, they are so my olympic make this, they have no idea whats going on in the country here. And nick, as much as you and i disagree on many issues, i have to agreement you to Like Health Care that this is the rhetorical trick that everybody blames. You know, its called socialism or single payer or actually you whole g. O. P. Voters. A lot of them would like to have a lot Better Health care. Ok. And you know, and then you know, we need look at like obamacare and all that. Thats just corporation care. Ok. And thats why it doesnt work. Thats why its not popular. Thats why its expensive. Now human, i have very different ideas about many things, but i think that people like ourselves, can sit down and say, how do we, how do we get Better Health care for people. But the politicians turn it into some kind of rhetorical shrink and basically test your or your patriotism, you know, or, you know, your allegiance to the venezuelan. This is not sense. Having some, a Better Program is very, very doable. Most of being just, you know, what, im sorry, all of the industrialized world doesnt go ahead. Well, this is symptomatic of the fact that the United States political system is seizing up the United States is becoming essentially a failed state. That weve all seen the photos of thousands of cars lining up at the banks and rocks of the country. This is the new bread line. We have more than a 3rd of families with children who can no longer feed it their families. We have more than one out of every 10 americans who is facing a big the moment that you list innovation moratorium that is basically being rolled over concert over and over and over. Now. It is going to end next month. And so you have your christmas right after christmas, right . So you have, you have millions facing utility shutoffs in the middle of winter heat and electricity in the, you know, and this is in the richest country in the world. And so this is also bipartisan, that cares, act, which was essentially the genesis of this decimation of the working class in the United States was passed unanimously by both parties in congress, which is why im here representing the movement for Peoples Party in farming, in the major new parties in the United States that stands for the majority and policies like medicare for all like a basic income like a jobs guarantee, like getting money out of politics that neither of the 2 major parties represent. I think theres an analysis that weve been discussing, which is that the Democratic Party has become the party of the status quo. They have to become the party of dont change anything. And that is a very significant change in u. S. Politics that you know from the party. I agree with you, and i think thats why they focus on internal war in here. But thats why theres so much this focus on Political Correctness and the culture wars and all of that. Because the more time you waste on all that nonsense here is an excuse youre given not to talk about exactly many of the things that nick had to say. And im a conservative. Ok, but i see people suffering all across the country and i see people in washington not doing that. Damn thing about it because they dont like the mean orangemen this is pathetic politics. Go ahead. Oh, absolutely. And i think if we look at the way this past campaign was conducted, its very disappointing. How little time was spent actually discussing policy versus who is the biggest alleged sexual harasser and things like that regarding health care though, because i think that is an area where both parties have majorly failed. I do, i do want to clarify that there are polls that exist that show that the majority of americans do support medicare for all. However, when you actually look more indepth indepth at polling, youll find that in terms of the medicare for all proposal that was submitted by Bernie Sanders, specifically the type which actually makes Privatized Health care nonexistent. The majority of americans do not support that. So. Sorry, go ahead. Im again, im against that. I think you should have. We should have choices we should have if youre, if youre super rich and you want to have your own private doctor, your own private hospital with all the power to you. Thats fine. Ok. And then when i have read about those people, im worried about the vast majority he read, but i do buy it. And for all of his faults, that is somewhere where he is actually on the pulse of what the American People want, a public option. And with the option to also choose Privatized Health care or whatever it may be. But i think the fact that so many people dont know about these distinctions, it just goes to show how, how that discourse has devolved, recalling each other racists and nazis and communists. Instead of actually discussing things like when was the last time you saw the National Debt mentioned right. When was the last time we had a serious discussion on Foreign Policy implications, that the people in power and republicans and democrats both, they dont want to talk about that because then they might actually need to come up with a plan and be made to be held accountable for what theyve done in office because go back to our been in washington. Im really appreciate, i really appreciate what warren had to say about Foreign Policy because tony blinken is going to be designated as joe biden. Secretary of state, now talk about nothing will really change. Thats just a disaster here. And then the, the amount of people that were influenced vote for trump because he was against these stupid wars even though he was a very successful in and ending them. Its just, its just an insult to people. Its an insult. Were just going to go back. We dont care what you think about Foreign Policy. These wars are very unpopular in both parties and more and more people are vocal about it. And this is just a slap in the face to the electorate. No, were going to do what we want to go ahead. Finish right now. Were in the Information Age and everyone in america knows finally that everyone else in america wants to pull out of all these wars. And when you see a very, very small portion of the population, basically the people who run and own part of the military industrial complex. When you see that, when you see that tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of america overruling the vast majority who is just done invading other countries, thats when you start to realize that were not really getting a democratic government that reflects the views of the people. Thats why we need to end foreign wars. We have bring the troops home. We need to shut down foreign base of the u. S. Need to get out of nato and the u. N. To the change that the American People want. And those, the marriage changes are american, people are not going to get from this very rarely that i get people with different political point of views that we end the program. Exactly agreeing one point and i want to make 3 of you. What are they . 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