In religion that exist in my really did not exist as i would just are. I just throw going to there probably exist among the worlds is just for the hurt. Are i says of the i the new form with the model of the wood, with the model of the mire. There was a, it was a rural boy. Just to go home or yes, my way normal i was word, it was going to be true or it was world which were all sources shop or were responding to her right now here she is. See the corners in there. Would you bring that phone cord in . Somebodys up . No, not only did cream bring met him, but he brought it in and dropped the other. Another portion of it in the purse. Thats yes, thats absurd. I bet what happens here is she says he knocks her out on the Kitchen Floor and theyre like no, it doesnt work, doesnt work, renee, not good enough, didnt didnt he do it in the living room . Look at this photo, look, i want to see you. Oh yeah, the truth doesnt fit with renees no concise. No. I want to see your real place. And i think you heard that some wishful thinking, mike. I dont think there is a real police report. I mean, i just dont maybe they sort of knew there were days. Confession was not so good or not true. And so they didnt really want career because they didnt really believe that he was there. That or that it happened like that. And so if they get him in there and then they could end up with nobody one taking on a case like renes, the danger is always the case. Evidence for other crimes, you know, that is, has not been preserved. If theres no crime scene evidence, or case evidence, then theres nothing to d. N. A. Test. And if theres no d. N. A. To test, its extremely hard to prove that your client is innocent. Thats from the hearing. In renes piece, it was a very bloody crime scene. The murder weapon was never found, but there was a burrs, had a bloody fingerprint in it, and there was a drawer in the bedroom with a bloody fingerprint on it. The d. N. A. Testing some things, but not those. And the only d. N. A. Found at the crime scene was the victims you know, the, i think out of 41 pieces of evidence, they tested 7 for d. N. A. And so, you know, theyre in trouble right at trial because you cant get convicted on your own confession alone. So they go and they try to round up, jailhouse snitches, but only one worked so it was her confession, and a jailhouse snitch, which is so common in false confession cases and you have the confession and then the extra evidence because theres no physical evidence corroboration to the confession is snitch you know, i have no particular oh oh ok. Do you mind if i said this is all good. Thats ok. You know. Oh it was true. Before the bible. Do you remember interacting with any of the Police Officers back then . This is a student was name was very, it is in some of my impression looking back i think thank you all hear shes guilty. Well, shes guilty and eagle, make sure you know you can sometimes it was a so now we know i was my d. N. A. So somebody yelled out, it was one of the things, thats one of the things that we hope to be able to do is retest. The d. N. A. Theres knowledge, she has no chance some cases we get and we look at them. And we, even if we believe the person is innocent, we can say, well, i mean, theres just for a variety of reasons, nothing we can do. Theres something we can do here, but not a lot of people get exonerated. Real solutions really are useless. You know the low bridge and here is this work out i just want to talk to you because i know how being were now trying to get her out. Can we come by one driver. Just talk to me. I think you so much we need to ask close the most important thing to so how she was to what her actions, what the police were done with andrea. You know, in my life, me every day and he didnt have a car with a promise you anything like where you going to get out to let me out here when you write great. I want to get out and so you actually did get out. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Ok, so thats good. Thats helpful. Lets talk about lorenzo montoya. 3 years on welfare. Oh. Time was right now is why you want to elongate in immediately . You know, there were there were dan burton being interviewed a lot and so on monday morning, when Rendell Montoya was arrested in the year 2000 and accused of a murder of a young schoolteacher in denver. Hes 14 years old friends when this happened, and he is tiny, like maybe 110 pounds, very young, a one year older. The overlap between meltzer and lorenzo is amount of they tell him theres these videotapes that show him abusing children, which there arent in lorenzos. They actually go as far as to have him take his shoes off and they do this whole charade where this very angry cop comes back in with the shoe and says, well, im a shoe print expert, and your shoes mentions the print at the crime scene. It was untrue you know, he said, all right. Youve done nothing or as in the us you can call the day. You are not rest until we are. It is going to happen. Weve got one window g. R. Coming down for you there. So you the 3rd, are there goal is for the jailer until you are there, even if you have no idea why you bury your brains alive. Weve done it every day. If you were there, were going to find out. Now thats interesting. He didnt say we had your blood, we had your saliva. He said we have that to be tested. They said, right. There is a lawyer in the moment. Hot political issue deal in the United States police a permitted to lie about it and say right out of order that we have a lot of fast that is a shocking discovery to most people. Most western countries dont permit it. The u. S. Supreme Court Permits it. So consequently you have 2 detectives making it seem as if we have independent evidence. They sometimes will get very specific about what that evidence is. Tell thing is that you are involved in something theyve already started. That is shaping process. And the mother already is believing it lots of people look for to see whether what were saying is actually playing out yet in the real world. And sort of thing to look at would be the u. S. Dollar versus the chinese big. Ok, thats the main 4 expire thats going to tell you whats happening in the global economy. If this all this debt is going to trigger all this money printing, the dollar will start to drift lower and its already, you know, looking very weak. I think the last 4 years on her call, theyve been able to kind of propped up to a large degree. But i think my going to see a serious decline in the dollar to see the chinese currency start to really outperform the dollar. Babies and french, the Eastern Front is a rhythmic pattern. So if you resist, so you know, true true. She looked into it 1st, what was happening was that the babies could actually hear their mothers teach in the still going to see both of you dead already is a little bit, isnt it . Is it true that the brain is you, that you are surely that even better to savor it . So you did, you mean mistake . So he just introduced the word mistake. Hes about to develop this theme that enables lorenzo to admit some degree of involvement while minimizing his own role as part of a package of techniques that in which you communicate to is suspect that i think youre a good person. I understand what youve been through. I sympathize with what youve been through. Often you hear normalising statements like, you know what if i were in your situation, i would have done the same thing. And all, by the way, i dont think you intended to do this. I think it was an accident or maybe your friends put you up to it, or maybe you were provoked me to feel that it was the red zone. I dont think youd ever done it. I did want to jack the car and it went bad. Did the communication moves in one direction, it is designed to leave the person the suspect. Think the police dont think this is such a big deal. And therefore be treated with leniency. Ok, so one of my choices, either i can be the accomplice who refuses to speak, or i can admit to what they want me to admit to. Given all of the minimisation that theyve given me and enjoy the benefit of that. There are going to go, you know, how do you predict there will be that big look at how much they have communicated already. He now knows so much about this crime that whether he was there or had anything to do with it or not, he now knows enough about it to give you a description. So why are you here . Were here at sleaze house through the resolutions in the computer here. 1st nature. G. R. Who kicked you in the head. Of course the building a story for him to tell or is it, you know, a great ridge goes to 0. Part of the dreaded shoes. Brazill position. Your job is just right. Hes now being set up so that when hes ready to give a statement, he knows exactly what thats the bad news is kicked in, the head shoe dragging her through the blood. Hes got it all. So later a judge and the jury is going to watch the final confession and theyre going to be so impressed and unable to look past that because they keep on asking themselves what happened. You know, those things if he was in there, right . Stare me down. Oh, you made that up. I just want your prior 5 minutes. You wait it up, you know, youre not going home tonight. I can guarantee that. And they did not push him in Juvenile Hall or her, which would be boys, you know, talk now or say goodbye to your mom. Its a pretty clear and your cousin and your sister. It your goal in your life is youre ready to do what kim and in this person do cell phone, the situation. Anything i guess you could hold out rank for everyone. You just fall down. Doesnt everybody have a breaking point . So why must he was in prison . For 14 years, so he got out at 28, he was in solitary confinement for 4 years because when he goes into a grown up prison, hes 14 and he cant be in with the general population. So he goes to solitary confinement for 4 years, for 14 to 18, lorenzo was exonerated, and we have a similar right suit pending for him. And the opposition are, you know, theyre, theyre moving to have the case dismissed based on qualified immunity for that. And if youre being interrogated, youre not being interrogated because theyre just looking for information youre being interrogated because they want you to confess. So today we have a 1st on wrongful conviction, which is that we have a retired n. Y. P. D. Homicide detective, among other things, current private investigator. Im pleased to introduce you j. Sol, peter, welcome. Thank you very much, and thank you for having me. So were going to get this fixed. I believe the remedy seems like a long shot to me its going to take forever. Well, the beginning is basically that all could say, you know, all interrogations are video and audiotape. And i think that would stop at least 75 percent things from scratch and i dont know youre going to get away with it. Im a bit of criminal Justice System as a store looking at prosecutors. Believe me, you would false confessions faster with making noise that make prosecutors culpable . I mean thats the frustration with the civil rights work is that the prosecutors are always absolutely immune. It doesnt matter what they did, they could have gotten right and punched the kid in the face and they would, we cannot get any liability. And of course, with warning, police are allowed to use trickery. And i know every defense attorney in the world is against that. So we talked about how out of these 4 cases have been exonerated. You know, her case remains active and shes been in prison now for 20 years. Her son grew up without a mom. She, you know, he has, shes grandkids now that shes never met other than on a phone through glass. If she said to heart attacks while shes been in prison and its probably not getting the right medical treatment for that. You know, were just hoping that you know, time could be on our side and we can get her out sooner rather than later. But i mean, she is a, a life thats wasted. Good morning. How are you . How is your heart out . I know you dont play you some together its ok i understand and i know that its taking a lot of time but we dont want to mess it up, renee, going to get one shot at this. So just hang in there. I promise you there will be and i hope its a good one, but there wont be any and developing nervous of the season is nigger mares and news seemed to her as her new system is missing. The biggest turns into when not there is a city where you do really you believe that god led to her and he in any way, blame himself for i think so. Control ending and confessed. I think they all knew that my own observations from talking to wrongfully convicted people is those who were wrongfully convicted by confession are not doing as well. The stigma they attach to themselves, they feel weak, they all stupid, they dont understand what happened, how to done that to themselves. And even when the convictions overturned, if the reason they were convicted of the confession as opposed to something else, the stigma that attached to them the state, even after they were exonerated, right, people are not quite 100 percent. Sure, right. Yet the confession is so powerful that even ever its supposed to evaporate. So corey, today is. Hes living well, right. He got a huge settlement, but it doesnt take away those demons in his head. You know, hes a, he was in from 16 to almost 30. So what are you now when you come out . Hes never going to have the mental peace and rest that you know you and i can probably accomplish sometimes. But if he has lost his whole family, theres no relationship with that really. And thats something that the thing my opinion, the city in the prosecutors took away from him, right . That money cant replace. When you come back to society, you dont. You dont know what to do in cherry. You dont know what to do or your brain will be the morning star over here. Start to join no longer, you know, whatever the journey may be. If youre going to stand in the hose, you know, from wonder, it really is. A problem that you know is systemic. Its a problem that victimizes. A lot of people, right . You have the person who falls in compresses whose life is ruined. You have their family, whose lives are ruined. You have the victim. If theyre still alive and the victims family who think theyre getting justice, but theyre not. And then you have multiple other problems that come from this main one being that by definition, when we walk up the wrong guy, we stop looking for the right guy. And you really, its a, its a tremendous challenge. I think its a cultural problem. We need a whole societal education about just our criminal Justice System is based on the premise that its better for 10 guilty. People to go free than one innocent person to go to prison. Right. I mean, that is a fundamental concept of the american Justice System. But i think that the lying is one of the main things that over there somebody is. Well, i just guess the courts dont get it. Every story of a false confession is not just a story that gets at the question of why in gods name did an innocent person goes to a crime. He or she didnt commit. Its the 2nd story in the 2nd story line is how come the prosecutor, the judge, the jury, the appeals court. All mr. Here is now able to research actual cases, laboratory studies, field studies, and 100. 00 plus years of basic psychology tells you why the people about never to lie to people about reality. You can change their perceptions and change their memories or you can change just about every aspect of the called function of the british human rights. Moreover, his friends want he has a hoot which you know close will. Soup will. Wheres your w lovable was she who are sure to keep the i. Q. On board of her doesnt actually matter. Vegetable would have been murdered by her. Youve got to go with us because all of those going to use the word because those stories could mean game we will see in the movie, confused with the it seems the more serious, but it is the most severe. Some of it is in your speech. Come on and use the im the 20th century was thing in or of revolution, the Great Depression and world war, the 21st century of mental illness. Those arent my words. Thats what surfaced some psychiatry to tell us. The only question is, should we accept it as a fact . Yes or no . 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