A very special reason for interest in the change of tenure in the white house today. Alex interviews allegedly photographer heidi baby, send them on course portrait, studied every sitting american president since Dwight Eisenhower today. We look at president ial politics, but with a different souza lens of how the bids but 1st your tweets messed with im to humans. Now alex started last picture with a very personal tribute to a special friend of his and im just says a very moving powerful and personal tribute to so Sean Connery Baloch Sam and i like to stand in our universe, but it will shine or not memories and hopes for the future. Magnificent portie. Thank you, alex says, and you can mindset and listen to the rest of the show which covered coverage. I really fascinating discussion. Lets talk Decision Makers are taking note of their learning. I look forward to hearing about the different approaches adopted in ireland and northern ireland. Early evidence suggests the islands 5 levels are making a positive impact, lesley says alex, thank you for your program. So informative policy regarding Public Health should never have been difficult. It should have been pursued the way dr. Bought it, and professor burns are discussing. Martin says billions to this is the way it should have been done from the start of the pandemic. Many lives could have been see it. D. C. Is being negative or isolating symptom free is a waste of time if you can still catch or be carrying it. And finally, john, it says the mixed messages and lack of sensible destructions have been terrible. The simple solution is copy the new zealand approach as a short and sharp look down, but not everything is nearly back to normal. Of course, this week has brought news of exciting progress towards vaccination. However, in the months before, it can be generally deployed Public Health measures will store to meet our only view protection. I get this fight this stacy and i, to todays interview. How did benson c. P. E. Is glasgows most famous photographer and his long illustrious career . His lens has captured everyone from her majesty the queen to Jackie Kennedy to listen to taylor. However, one of his most notable achievements has been to photograph the last 12 american president s in office until that is donald trump group. The run alex takes up the story with heidi benson. And i dont like to be joined from florida by legendary photographer hottie benson holly. Welcome to the alex salmond, show the pleasure of waiting it all, all my life to be on here and i am. Its just 12 american president s photographed by you, but their outgoing press, the new donald trump, of them have a, an all together even relationship. Are you hoping to go on much better with and coming joe biden . Thats why im not mad. Joe biden is a nice guy, you know is not even agree a little. But donald trump brought the romney it wouldnt let you into the white house, although you take a nice photograph before that. Oh, im home for the graft. Maybe for 2 years. And me, so i said this to him when i ran into him some reception. I said to him, donna, id like to come on one photograph you in the white house needs to know. I said, well, you know, dont load up no need for a font. He use and you have saying no, because it didnt like the picture you were from of all the money on the star and he was bit too happy with that picture. I only did shawn greed and he often did it because i need taken on when i cant see nights and its wonderful doll nall not money. You say i can go in there and i can get a 1000000. 00 right now and that by and then told us, and ive never photographed 1000000. 00 and dont think ive never seen it. Michelle, and you have got it. Well, we spend about half an hour piling money and dollars and he wanted it to be actually a 1000000 dollar dollar. And that was so i didnt want any faith that the jim managed to slip any of the bundles away, hardly of that. He cut them all back into the safe. I got my angle, im straight on the chin this fellow i know in glasgow. He is it going to look just on the boat . I dont, i dont think the daughter told inherited much of his mother said safire. I mean, i think, i think i have is a stranger to dawdle club and also is sent, you know, sent him so that its good to make fun of them because he doesnt, it doesnt understand how they are going to take you right back to the actual fison home, which was your 1st president. Yeah, yeah, dont ye start me. Were just thinking about, id been i had photographed them for some all in london. It was small own mouth, and i thought it was, and a memory i ride and clara inches in near the limousine. Really didnt want to be seen in a limousine showing, get out and basically walk towards the photographer. And to show that you were faith and and thats what i think. And its true tall and he was a gentleman and id flown to grap them afterwards as well. I also photographed him playing a round of golf in unbury. And strange that off, of course, somebody has no in the hands of donald trump. President eisenhower would feel about that. But you also photographed john f. Kennedy in london, testified about the kennedy visit to london. It wasnt just john f. Kennedy. It wouldnt jackie moon. And these wives juke, and by sgt on because she was great looking them, this girl lama. And then after they have finished weights, london the now go to paris and a french alum there loved clones. And that was a big deal of that. How would the french think hoshi dress because they thought every american dressed all so you have the photographer who accompanied the john f. Kennedy to london and potus. Is that correct . And i mean, there were me in a few of them, you know, and all of them were, you took a photograph of Jackie Kennedy in london and a car which is almost a luminosity about it took a photograph of Princess Diana with a code which showed the some of the empathy which she had these people the how to have the ability to communicate visually impaired. There must be a photographers dream yakked on jackie wall. And jackie, once she had taken london by storm, really imbrie moment in the day she was enjoying it. But she to paris my whole paris to who and rule of law over there they loved. And the french were, you know, so critical, especially on women of the druggist, but not reject care work that she wipes the floor with them. I want to ask you about your portrait of Richard Nixon because you for to go after him in the final days of his presidency. Yes, i did them when bill last me, who is my favorite president and i was sitting next to because the one thing about nixon was the world is not small talk. He ash and he would ask you for dinner break 1st. And if youre on the plane in the press plane, or you yeah, are your own, you are near him. He was chained to a drink. Find out where mr. Benson wants to drink. Ive found that a pleasant being with. But nixon and his family, you probably have joined a glaswegian holiday where they sent you a drink. I think it will live. May of what the opposite from me i have found him can be very easy to want. That must mean a very dramatic moments. You know, in these last hours as president , when you photographed him as he was a boat to the demento office under the, under the threat of impeachment, that must have been extraordinary time for a photographic study of someone. It was very, it was terribly sad because there was also his family room with them. He went into, you know, they were just devastated by it and, and it absolutely was all over nixon go, its is elevator to go back to his room. I need just such a slum town to is wife shown to be burnt down. You know, it would be a very sad moment. A photograph doesnt lie. And nixon felt safe with this. Im sure. And with her history, you know, you want to recall and he jumped out. He was that day. If i could take you to happier moments in a president ial town that the famous picture you took with the reagans. Astonishing picture of, of them dancing on a picture. I understand which i used to say of the very famous magazine. You know, far, vanity fair and new. Im going to close the magazine for im about to say to you, is it complete so big . Because that picture saved vanity fair. I mean, this is documented, shine, you have, you know, known, was going to close a magazine and she number and me as a child, went to him and same woman got this thing coming out of the reagans and im sure its going to sell a lot of copies and it did, and i got the reagan to dance, and the magazine was sold out. That was a picture of a president ial couple very much in love, of course. Yet another famous picture of a president ial couple. The picture of the clintons kiss though you have to ask, was that put on for the camera or was that how you felt the at the picture of the relationship thing they were in love . He was relaxing on the hammock, and hillary would be a bit 10 yards away, stretched out and she says, im not, im going to lie. Where perth this was, she runs over basically gadson top in this case. And then the, this, then, it was over never happened again. Its a moment you really are being a photographer for a spontaneous moment that cant be repeated and will not be repeated in case because it was so high up. Were all looking forward to getting the call from the then coming, press that by and to take his picture of the white house and ive been doing so if you have a few, any thoughts of, of how you might the paper tomorrow . Is that something that could only happen when you see the sucking stances of the day circumstantially dull the day, but why here is a good guy. I hear that a photograph to me before that in a different setting. And it all depends who you are. Youre representing our family, the band, e. Q. Fair, and im westlife. Im going to get much better attention that and if i was with the hamilton advertiser, stay with us for more from harvey benson. Im here for the graphic exclusives with the after the break. L. 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Thats what surfaced some psychiatrys to tell us. The only question is, should we accept it as a fact . Welcome back. Alex is in conversation with heidi benson about the icon fears known. His work has taken him to the scene of many historic moment of both triumph. Im tragedy since the 1960 s. So how the band in that 19 sixtys, your career took a different time because you traveled to america, but you traveled before a very famous group of people. What happened there . I stayed in america basically because id tell you why american when very interesting then and then one of the civil rights there would judge to lot happening in america. Your travel there with the beatles and your extraordinary pictures of the ford in a pillow fight. Tell you have a heart attack yet. We were having a drink and nice should jazz. Did a hell of a fight. Now ive had them mention that the day before home or all just messing about in the room that like john, my im saying that was a challenge. Pillow fight, we had nothing on. Maybe not by me. Ill think im blown this and the way im in the room with the beatles of the following night. And i said how about a pillow fight . And the rest kind of nodded and, and john lennon and sad each had no more lewd childhoods. Should you know that when theyre miserable because when were breaking records in all of sales and, and we were becoming very rich in these few days and in way they have agreed not to do it. Then jon disappears in the room for a 2nd. And paul is sitting, sitting, having a drink and the couch. And john comes up behind him without a pillow and the whole course, it splatters all over the place. And then theres a pole of far, i just cant shooting the and it kept going. Great. You have to be sure of not telling them what to do. And then youre photographing the beatles with muhammad ali, though you must add that the 5 most famous people in the world in that photograph of that. You know what someone said that to me the other day, theyre the most photographed people in the world, muhammad ali and one title, and the beatles didnt want to meet them because you know, in the end thats not all martin writing to me in the box. And when i get in with alley, we go to if training place and the beatles are such small add to their great tautly. When glen suggests, im not shift with people, they would put them on the place, not waste. She ready, father of me know things like you all think youre beautiful, but youre not more beautiful. Goes love me better than their love you. You know, youre just a little punks on the heap in their play. Its nice now lie down and never had them line on the ground. Now tom, no, but hes treating them like children. And after it was all gone, john lennon, who i was seeing was the leader of the beatles. He said, you know, when that didnt go well, he made to look like monkeys, and it all your fall, harry i read it right. Mohammed al was one time way ahead of them, one of but there again, how you got the photograph of these. These were basically happy, happy moments of the beatles and ali, but of course, you also photographed some of the, the great tragedies that were happening in america at that time. And particular you were present and photographing assassination of Robert Kennedy to tell us what happened. Ok, anyones i knew bobby ally may, i knew it and im still friendly with its family. Its awful to move from a happy situation like in one california and he says something and on to chicago and in, in, never get in the ball room. Hes walking, i would be about 5 yards behind him, and then the screaming. I never saw the guy with the gun because of the crowd, but then once there was screaming and the next thing you see is, bobby is down. But ill never forget its there screaming it was like the show can now been dallas because it was so close to dallas and people were just crying and bang in the hand off. And i said to my machine, the midsouth, let me mess up tomorrow. But this is too important, i got to take 14 graphs. I got to do it. You know, there isnt 3 cheers for the photographer and places like that. They see us and you know as an intruder, as you are. And i kept taking it and saying to myself, this is for history, it isnt it. And i think its always photographing everything and around me. Then bomb me when i knew it would go on, there was i removed losing a lot of blood from the back of it. And by the end of world and no one time, i was still in a crisis in the crowd. I was only about maybe a foot away from them and you knew looking up and in ethel with screaming, asking for aaron and it seemed forever before that ambulance. People who got to know him a little i hear it was only about 6 minutes. Extraordinary moment, and of course other assassinations in america at the time you took a picture of Martin Luther king on their Civil Rights Campaign trail which, reflected some of the the novice and of g. O. , of the, of the man, the of any reflections on the, on Martin Luther king and the civil rights movement. Very quiet. The mood is no chatting with some that was he allowed you to do your job, but he wasnt. You wasnt talkin and dont hate the yankees. Youre going to beat the yankees. You know, none of that small talk there, how they are going to take you right back to your origins as a photographer and 2 things. The peter manual story to fix flamed out of the national viewers. He was a serial killer, was the 2nd last person to be behind Capital Punishment in scotland. This is the late 1950 s. And you amazingly, as a very young photographer managed to get n to barlinnie prison. And you were the only journalist who was able to photograph and speak to the mass murderer before his execution. That was a, was an extraordinary struck a lot where youre just in the right place at the right time. But this amazing story. I knew the right people at the right, the right man, the rate man would be boxing promoter calls me daugherty. He knew individuals who knew manual and it was for what Sammy Daugherty said when the feast said to be the guy, im one you can get big hairy into me man young because another criminal should get a chance of knowing another one. I went down to pictures a picture of a very famous picture you took of children in the gorbals and the early sixtys, i think. And also a picture you took of the black communities in america educating the the civil rights movement. Give us a force, wanted to ask, did you see any similarities between the conditions in your, your homeland and the deprived areas of glasgow . And this situation you found in the, in the put of communities in america during the civil rights movement. Listen, if some of the people from glasgow were living in what in california they wouldnt be of rioting. Really, it would be the river may have been umbrello skins sheltered from them from the sun. They would be standing really your condition . I mean, id seen much, much wants condition doing glasgow. I me and, and didnt story. A member. There were 14 living in one room. Youre cutting a holly benson took you from photographing the slums of the law school to the photographing president of the white house and the start of a writ of, of photographs out. Good us of the most difficult question of all. Do you have of all that . A ray of photographs, do you have an absolute favorite . The one you look at occasionally say, im glad that holly benson took that picture. Ive always seen the beatles. I dont think its one patron, but its lucky that i was the me, it was our lucky i got close with the reagans. Weve been doing them a favor to that. We keep them are a major life. I keep waiting to take my best picture and dont think ive taken it along when they can mean the assassination. I couldnt know milam any fall because there were other people shot iran, maybe very close to me. And im thinking, im wondering where i could. Im done, done better, you know, under the few, i look into the future holly, whats the picture of you still want to take as that are at every instant still light to capture for history . I would like to see more on the royal family. Im like to see them having a break there and breakfast. I like to see them having dinner because a lot of information of how the table manners the light of the, of the i actually got a dog in a coup. Shouldnt be citing them. You know, you want to stick a picture of the jug of a bit of a, a toilet roll coming, diode and, and everybody, you know, vastly that if i try to say what that were and that was a major for digraphs in my life because it was born in delhi skates and they brought me to london because i was doing well up in scotland. And one things harvey have never lost. I said either hardy benson or allegedly a photographer. Thank you so much for joining me on the alex salmond. Chill. Thank you very much and thank you very much. They say the camera never lies and death. Thats too. Then it follows the taliban since president ial stories from behind the lens have a unique ring of authenticity. His poor taste certainly have kept to some essential white house truth from the grace of the reagans to the crassness of trump. From the clintons and love to nixon in despair in his final hours as president had been since what has taken him to some of the great moments which it costly of both triumph and tragedy. How many of us would have wanted to be there when the, because that mohammad ali r j did being present when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. How do bensons work is a story of our times, and among the many changes expected, a President Biden is to store the both to access by quickly commissioning the benson portrait. And did i think it may even be mentioned somewhere in the constitution. But for now, for myself, alex and all that issue is goodbye, sissy, i mean hope to see all again next week. When i was still seem wrong. Why dont we just dont all get to shape out just days after it gets written. Because betrayal, when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for Common Ground clashes on the arrests in the armenian capitalist crowds that demand the Prime Minister resign over a peace deal. They see as a capitulation to azerbaijan in the war for the going to come about reach. Because he said, lets return to one street or did all of these the longer it or went in the right . 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