Come visit each other mothers would read bedtime stories to their children well now its almost completely abandoned. By john alleges Armenian Forces have bombed its territories outside the main conflict zone something they are not found denies we hear from as there is who are resorting to take shelter in the basement. Of the home of the or me and search shelling constantly they are shelling us now with different weapons. One week ago. And my upstairs neighbors holland was completely burned down. Around the World Health Organization is director countries not supposed to see you. Calling the approach dangerous and on that they go how do we get. Through a big scene or do we get the. Truth through men surely in fiction a lot of the information thats coming from governments and World Health Organizations and agencies are are really confusing for most people we dont really know a lot of the. As a very warm welcome to you youre watching R T International with me here erin but the Russian Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has given a live interview to Russian Media heads including arties editor in chief Margarita Simonyan he fielded questions on a number of topics including the nagornokarabakh conflicts turkeys involvement in that and russias strange relations with the e. U. Going so far as to question whether it was possible to do business with the blog given what he called his condescending attitude towards russia arties Saskia Taylor brings us the highlights. We had a very lengthy and really comprehensive conversation between foreign minister Sergei Lavrov and editors in chief of a number of media organizations that was so much to unpack that such an array of topics but one that was given considerable attention was russias increasingly difficult relationship with the European Union now love prof noted that of course the 2 have mutual interests especially economic ones lets think of course just off the north stream to a gas pipeline but that all of this was made very difficult by what the fire of foreign minister described as a condescending attitude from the blog and this constant to mons being put on moscow this is what he said about the impact of that after today that there was no go through approvals the question is not just whether business as usual is possible but with the any business with the European Union is possible a tool the e. U. Behaves arrogantly towards us and looks condescendingly down russia demanding answers from us for all the crimes it imagines we have committed i think we are under no obligation to respond to that. 7 also add to that a versa for you but minority within the European Union was only father undermining the relationship now of course this all comes against the backdrop of wosm diplomatic ties between moscow and brussels as a result of the alleged poisoning of russian opposition figure i think saina found me now one of the significant part of what lavrov said talked about double standards and he said that often the puts much more pressure on moscow than it would on itself and he said especially when it comes to the idea of interference in Foreign Affairs as this is something that people few very subjectively but i wouldnt go to. In 2017 during the election in france marine le pens a legitimate politician came to moscow to meet with president putin then French Foreign minister publicly claimed that this was an attempt at foreign interference in the electoral process in france. Now look at who Macro Holding meetings with said manatee cannot. No one pays any attention to the fact that this could also be considered as foreign interference in belorussian affairs. Such a lot from laid out his few on what the end goal was from these verbal assaults from on fact competition for calls for sanctions and for causing tellme oil russias borders. In the us the west will always try to hold us back to undermine our political and economic capacities this is all part of the same old game they want to throw russia of violence not just with direct assaults like dirty competition and illegitimate sanctions but also by creating instability on our borders. Now one of the of russias key relationships on the International Stage that was touched upon was of course with washington and quite frankly he said with less than a month to go to the election whoever wins in november whether its trump or biden probably very little would change he reiterated that all moscow has ever wanted was good cooperation but im an equal footing and that sometimes washingtons Foreign Policy made that very difficult other topics such as the protests in batteries or indeed a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the corner karabakh were also discussed quite extensively but suddenly the lions share from todays conversation was dedicated to the current status of russias relationship with Key International players and the future of it the message today seemed very uncompromising things cannot continue as they are business cannot go on as usual whether that serves as a trigger for more compromise or want to stand who have to be seen. Our guests told us that despite the e. U. Is tough anti moscow talk good ties are still in the blocks interest i think it will last to some trial and then of course the continue. The most Important Mission for germany and europe will be to stall the. Pipeline between russia and germany north stream too but of course the german star want to do that because some guy would get them and do it up very badly we need russian gas and so on they dont put them on the sanction list so the sanctions are not really sanctions since its you know wagging the finger its really not up to standard where europe should be as as an International Power in talking with russia which is another all power in the world we have a new wave of russian propaganda as well of anti chinese propaganda coming from the us there is a net group of n. G. O. S of 2 a politically trained politicians and of a population that is only informed of russia that its very easy to make such a antirational cutting russia is not very smart in using soft power. We dont have enough pro russian n. G. O. S we dont have about. European Russian Cultural Exchange so it would be very helpful if russia could try to be a little bit have a little bit more p. R. That makes it more sympathetic and easier for us to to push the other side like. A ceasefire agreed between armenia and azerbaijan on saturday is repeatedly being violated with come back again escalating over the disputed enclave of nagornokarabakh the conflicts flared up over 2 weeks ago but has roots going back 3 decades with on and off balance of fighting the contested reaching it is mostly inhabited by Ethnic Armenians but is legally part of azerbaijan a correspondent don of reports from its capital. Before the war this street used to be bustling with life neighbors would come visit each other mothers would read bedtime stories to their children well now its almost completely abandoned after an as they are by johnny airstrike basically theres a huge Apartment Building here which is no more there are no windows it has partially collapsed its simply unsafe to live here here people as they ran to safety they abandoned their belongings like childrens bicycles they simply had no time to pack everything and i have to admit that since the truce the city of stop on it the capital of nagornokarabakh has it more or less easy been bodman do still happen but they are move rather than they used to be and they are almost entirely almost completely limited to nighttime its more or less the same in other towns of nagornokarabakh like the towns of martini and shushi in fact thing is similar pictures similar very very similar devastation can also be seen from azerbaijan its 2nd largest city of ganja came under shelling just a couple of days ago. And it would be wrong to say that the fighting has ceased elsewhere too as were filming this theres a faint but a very distinctive sound of shelling coming from over the mountains to the south from here that is where the town of adroit is which is viewed as a gateway into nagornokarabakh so it is a very heavily contested area the fighting is also fierce in the north the. Seems. There by john trying to get a firm grip on some key strategic places and heights before real peace negotiations begin as both militaries are fighting for diplomatic leverage. Reporting from the karabakh. A belgian cellist has performed as a heavily damaged cathedral in nagornokarabakh the musician has armenian roots and played a piece by an armenian composer the cathedral in the city of suzhou was shelled a week ago. On tuesday azerbaijan a claim that is regions were being shelled by Armenian Forces and both nations denied violating the cease fire agreements the video youre seeing right now is from the very city of turtle which according to barker has been shelled several times since the conflict escalated as a result people have taken shelter in their basements heres what some of them had to say. The are many of us are shelling constantly theyre shelling us now with different weapons with missiles bombs tanks rocket launchers the use it all. One week ago i shall file and my upstairs need was hot was completely burned it was impossible to take anything from the house our house is also seriously damaged doors windows even the walls everything became useless in general we cannot sleep when they stop shelling for one hour an hour and a half we can close our eyes and map then you sleep and wake up and you sleep and you wake up over and over again. The director of the World Health Organization has urged countries not to pursue a herd immunity strategy against the corona virus he said deliberately allowing the fire. As to spread among populations is dangerous and other think all. The amenities are cheap by protecting people from a virus not by exposing them to it. Never in the history of probably killed has heard immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak a little more a pandemic its scientifically. Problematic some scientists have argued that covert 19 should be allowed to circulate freely to allow populations to build up a natural resistance to the virus the idea gain some traction early on in the pandemic sweden defacto pursuit herd immunity where the u. K. Initially considered it as an option early and my colleague in oneill discussed the issue with a panel of experts. Herd immunity is it really such a bad idea i think it is really a bad idea one of the primary reason is that we dont really know a lot about this virus humanity against 4 lives its not long lasting the mexico we can expect is that we year so this means that we have to go through this process over and probably will be very costly and probably other people that gets the basic idea that we that we hoping to achieve some level of immunity within the population indeed the herd level of immunity is just how do we get the do we get the through a vaccine or do we get the true through natural infection and whats going to be whats going to cause least to us societys overall the w. H. O. It hasnt been perhaps as clear as it could have been particularly this week it also said that locked all ins are bad are they contradicting themselves how do you see this this advice a lot of the information thats coming from governments and from World Health Organizations and agencies are are really confusing for most people if a lockdown is happening or not if its a good thing or not and now about issues of herd immunity and so its coming down to who is communicating the right message and what is the role of of the individual trying to protect their family do they think that its a good idea if somebody gets chicken pox or they dont have it later in life do they get coated now and thats a really dangerous position to be putting individuals sent increasingly people are looking at the example of sweden stuck on hasnt officially adopted a herd immunity strategy but that has been the result essentially in practice another dealing death rail its almost 0 how they got it right through one way or another well it includes people they have been claiming that there is no restrictions or backed level of the law that other countries have. But the have had all those control years that ought to quiet when like the spread of infection on number of people. Yeah there but there were pictures werent there of people in restaurants and cafes when essentially the rest of europe wasnt doing that they where in sweden oh yeah absolutely i think sweden is certainly of that you know will stay just off the front of me i think it is a lot of your culture to move forward because weve all been you know whats going to happen tomorrow in this we do sports factor so although certainly the swedish perspective its a very good very able. But i think it is too early to really cold that they have. Adopted the right approach as the w. H. O. Has pointed out lockdowns are incredibly damaging each other ways and we and one governments are struggling with these balancing the damage from lock downs. With the damage from not look down and they cant win whichever decision they make their price is to be paid and its extremely difficult to know which also the action is the right 1. 00 and we probably only know in retrospect government account to everything if people i suppose are aware of the risk should they be allowed to go on to expose themselves to potential infection and take their chances and perhaps get that immunity level well the real issue is this is the inequality lockdowns are showing at the choices that people have to make you know person who has to put food on the table leg like all of us. May have to leave the house to to do that so we have to be concerned about not just Emotional Wellbeing but the economic well being of the educational wellbeing and so those are the risks that people are are also balancing out. And was the 2nd time around thats the experience of the 1st u. S. Patient confirmed to have been affected with 19 more on that after the break. The world is driven by. One person. Dares thinks. We dare to ask. Anyone else seemed wrong. Why dont we just dont call. Me. Yet to shape our disdain comes out to. Engage with equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Welcome back the 1st case of covert reinfection has been confirmed in the us according to a study published by the Lancet Medical Journal the patients symptoms were far more severe the 2nd time around the 25 year old man from nevada who has no recorded immune disorder 1st tested positive in april he later recovered with 2 negative tests but in june developed severe symptoms and again tested positive its the 5th proven case of reinfection registered worldwide in the netherlands the 1st death off the reinfection was confirmed on choose day by the National Institute for Public Health maupin dorie the lead author of the study says people should not assume theyre safe after recovering from covert. Scientific data that we have from this case and other cases will indicate that if somebody has had no chin we just dont know whether that person can be reinspected again its possible that they could be reinfected again but its also possible that some people are immune in fact it could be that the vast majority of the are immune and it could be Something Else that could be in our immune system gives us a resistance that makes the 2nd case of a lesser but asymptomatic an action despite the confirmed cases of reinfection some people seem to think theyre immune among them and donald trump who has now recovered after catching covert earlier this month the us president has since even promised his supporters hail very much forget all about social distancing with them. Now they say im amused i can see i feel so powerful why did. Our kid just see everyone i was just the guys in the beautiful women and everybody has to be a big fat has. My pandora the lead author of the study again says populations can only be protected by a vaccine our only real hope of achieving herd immunity comes from that seems the vaccine ology and this finding does not speak to vaccines mediated appear to be people that have been infected cant make the assumption that there are a mere because there are now been several cases that show that it isnt true because you can be reinfected you really have to be treated as if you were never injected and thats not only to protect you but to protect others the prospect of reinfection makes the need for a Coronavirus Vaccine all the more Urgent National governments and big pharma are all vying to get the 1st job to market but Peoples Health appears not to be the only motivation as it is my galaxy have explained. Things will never go back to the way they were too many people have died too many people have lost jobs and enterprises livelihoods the damage has been too great but we can still hope for some kind of normality the only way we will get completely back to normal is by having not maybe not the 1st generation vaccines but eventually a vaccine that is super effective that is the best Case Scenario the virus goes away and we all live happily ever after for now though that supply pipe dream judge for yourself the 2nd wave is here new universally accepted treatment still no consensus on herd immunity versus social distancing people kaante even agree where the mosques work the strategy weld wide seems to be to cross our fingers and hope for the best. The vaccine represents a more important factor than the election result for the path of equities well of course it is promises and cabaye in speeches and fiery rhetoric on killing to save lives or reopen businesses the World Economy its all about the vaccine listen to them in the states the election isnt about making america better its about returning life to what it was i want to discuss the historic progress were making to deliver a safe and effective vaccine in record if the doctors tell us that we should take it ill be the 1st in line to take it absolutely but if Donald Trump Tells us i said to him that weve taken im not taking it doesnt that scenes in human trials globally 100 more in the works this isnt so much a race is a good that the science is so complex you cant predict what will work and what wont until you tried a new matter how smart thorough or diligent you are luck might just sink you at astra zeneca head pas all in that study is that it as it investigates this one event in the u. K. Johnson and johnsons had to put its crucial late stage testing inhalants on hold due to an unexplained illness in a study participant a johnson and johnson is positive its Coronavirus Vaccine trial over an unexplained illness drug maker astra zeneca is hoping its phase 3 trial of a possible coding 1000. 00 vaccine after one participant came down with an unexplained illness you understand now the stakes year elections go to me its unimaginable fortunes to be made and millions of lives to be saved but how also matches trump doesnt win from a chinese developed vaccine the american or European Pharmaceuticals they will make billions if its russias vaccine that works better so you do what humanity has done since time immemorial you spike the competition. Trip them you malign them and you libel them this is much like the cold war space race but its a vaccine race in fact russia is calling those that seen sputnik 5 but be skeptical Clinical Trials were short they were excel aerated the speed of his developments is being questions proof of its effectiveness has not been presented a vaccine that has not been trying to a vaccine that has not been tested outside of russia americas top researchers say russias cutting corners to develop its Coronavirus Vaccine u. S. Regulators are insistent that we know coolness cut when it comes to testing and for many t. J. That is the key difference between what america is doing and what the russians have Just Announced will need to be very practical in scope this rhetoric of trying to cause a big scenes black its very unhealthy its going to have to go in very unproductive we all remember when the pandemic began european nations snatching supplies mosques and ventilators from each other the u. S. Trying to. Buy out of Vaccine Developers among european allies in desperate times each to themselves and with the stakes these high no one wants to share the glory or the money more i guess dia of. Stumble High School Students and mosco are switching to Remote Learning until november it comes as covert infection saw in the russian capital moscow has seen a steady rise in his coronavirus caseload since september with the daily infection rates now edging ever closer to 5000 where most learning wont be extended to primary schools as younger children are less susceptible moskos masseys the new measure will help contain the spread of the virus. Well thanks for joining us here on all the international were back at the top of the hour with the latest. Financials i dont buy it im on it. On the friday as of last summer by actually the future projects are. Now imagine are tense here were going underground as u. S. President trump rejecting 2 week coronavirus quarantine follows floridas mass election rally with one of the socalled swing state of iowa as he continues to reject opinion polls that would have him lose to joe biden in 20 days time coming up in the show trumps new yorker old pal civil rights leader the reverend al sharpton on that eulogy to george floyd which galvanized black lives matter around the world and why he wants americans to vote for a candidate accused by some groups of supporting segregation mass incarceration and the catastrophic war on drugs that annihilated communities of color in the usa. All this and more coming up in todays going underground but 1st lets go straight to new york to speak to one of americas most renowned civil rights leaders reverend al sharpton his new book rise up confronting a country at the crossroads investigates the historical turning point the u. S. Current be faces potentially undoing the gains activists like himself have fought for since the days of Martin Luther king jr reverend thanks so much for coming on the show those who dont know your work over decades will surely know the moving eulogy to george floyd killed by a us police i think british broadcasting regulators may allow me to say what a profound privilege it is for you to be on going on the ground but of course im going to ask you why is it not you rather than biden whos running against trump why do you call yourself a tree shaker in this new book of yours. I think that the history of dealing with movements in this country and even globally is that you need those of us that shake the tree in the sense of shaking up where a society has dealt in an unequal and unfair way and in many cases unjust way and you dont have those that pick up the fruit that falls d d from the tree and make jam out of it and i have in my role as an activist been more were trees shaken then one that picks up a fruit and becomes one of lector the office or head of a corporate entity in the private sector and i think theres a legitimate role for both i feel my calling is to be the one shaking trees rather than picking up fruits trying to make jam out of lets get to the jam eaters in a 2nd this book in this book you blame yourself and others becoming complacent under the Obama Presidency at tell me a bit about that and how you see that complacency is creating donald trump well i think that many of us were very supportive then are still supportive of many of the initiatives of president obama during his presidency from health care to Police Reform to other areas and did not do as much as we could to hold the opposition accountable and to hold even some aspects of his own administration that was resistant to change accountable and that we should have always had the vigor to be continue to fight no matter who was in office even if it was some
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