Doesnt contemplate any kind of cut and defense spending and at the same time we have like the Eurasia Group foundation which is kind of in the sec its a very centrist and they have researched and to be overwhelmingly the public supports less militarization of Foreign Policy and decrease in military spending and are on the side of ending these forever wars why is joe sticking to the bush obama agenda go ahead well i think that its the white the American People want is probably in line with what joe biden wants no one wants to be an endless wars appen engagement is sometimes necessary and you know everyone would last you know at the Defense Budget after 19 years its the worth it how well look i think you know that look we can we can just you know different decisions made by different president s and i would say that there is a diversity of the lasa be among the different president s that she. Names but i will say for talking globally about engagement versus isolation as also mentally this is about fomenting and trying to encourage peace in a very its a killer way in here a tricky way and i think that i think its challenges and that doesnt mean just in that you know military engagement means diplomatic engagement needs Economic Engagement it means figuring out how to balance the tools in our tool caps to try to create stability and peace around the world and also not only that is the American Interest so i think that when we reduce these arguments into something about do or not do this is its you know yoda and starwars this is this is a complicated policy you know discussion and i think we have to take it case by case but but youve got you can but make a play get out but its a difference with all due respect i think the American People are tired of its complicated ok thats why we need leadership and i dont think president trying to send a very good job in this respect to go to line here why is that the binary isolationism interventionism i see that all the time its a false argument well im im still trying to get over there ocean of fomenting peace i love that notion of were going to do were going to enrage people were going to to increase the courage of the vortex for peace by by engaging our military to foment peace we are forgetting the fame and if you will of the absence of this issue and that is simply this what is our mission nobody is against military involvement military action defending our allies but the idea that our of being there does something magical to keep our enemies and why we need to know why are we there look i dont want to go deep state police state intels stage shadow government ruling class but this is the military Industrial Complex that has been a part of the american political system irrespective of party thats. This is this is something to do with beach nobody can explain what were even doing in afghanistan yet if you ask people that had something remotely to do with 911 and that said there is nothing unamerican by demanding that we have a clear and cogent and limpid system of protocol and a message and a mission and thats it you know lower it it it seems to me because if we you know campaigning is campaigning promises are promises ok were all political junkies here but it seems to me that no matter what a candidate says maybe with the exception of poll the gabbert which the democrats dismissed quite quickly and i feel a very unfairly is it doesnt really matter what your political stripe is the permanent state or what people call the deep state theyre just going to keep calling the shots because you know ill give trump credit for at least trying to get out of his quagmires but the deep state or the permanent bureaucracy constantly blocks dont you think thats going to happen to biden to go ahead well im not going to disagree that the military Industrial Complex is tower fall but but do i think that they are calling the shots alternately i think thats a tin hat Conspiracy Theory accent look that under the globe all the gloves the distribution of global power is something that no single president can ultimately change but the u. S. Has a responsibility as a leader to unite our allies and to try to ensure that we have that because ultimately he helps us and it protects our American Security and you know you cannot let go of the military option entirely i think thats naive i think you humble and i dont disagree that no 100 is employing a minute i didnt say that i didnt say but ok again its a false binary call and i dont want to engage on the false binary but im just telling you what im hearing here when i say bad back that there is this conspiracy that the military did. State is is directing and calling the shots i will say best donald trump is making big moves but the impact of those moves does not seem to be beneficial unilaterally removing troops from situations the for ensuring that there is debility and a vacuum is not created also met lete doesnt do any good us any good it can get to be a great talking points in a campaign trail but we will after this and figure out a sound withdrawal and the deal with the taliban will we see the Afghan Government i have a more stable engagement will we see the peoples livelihoods if the u. S. Isnt the American Peoples responsibility to maintain peace in afghanistan why what is why is the United States in syria why its even legal under International Law it was not invited there and this is not about it im sorry its protecting its oil its not that its not american soil to protect ok legacy lesleys my point here no one likes to talk about these things are very inconvenient you know there were presents for peace think it keeps the civil war going on but here youre arguing against it without ad out without advocating for a solution so i dont know if youre here to say if you did everybody out lucian its very simple if you get out then the parties on the ground will have to figure now its i think its how do you get out maintain no youre on the airplane and you get out no doubt if this is ridiculous this is a argument you can see i do this all its not to result in the kick the can or will you but if you get out there are people time. Well 1st id love whenever something is promoted that is true that has been spoken of since eisenhower is valedictory the military industrial how one when you dont know what to say with all due respect to to our guest some measure of the facts coming my way or. So. You bring up this this fact need trope about conspiracy theories just because of the Climate Change whatever you dont know what to do why are there fires Climate Change now if you want to just say you dont believe in Climate Change either just to be clear i believe in Climate Change i believe in weather and the sun but i do not believe in anthropogenic causes ation. No never how was seen none of the hottest in maximum thermals anybody who really knows anything about this one are you anyway aside from that because were not going to do battle of the bunkers and youre already have a big problem i dont believe they get bigger ready but yours they look no further than nato look no further than the Atlantic Council look no further than people trained to read joe old cold war russo folding trucks there is a murder sure that is going on in the idea lets just go back to afghanistan where people have this this is they create this fantasy that by our being there were teaching villagers how to drill for welds or something just so happens in afghanistan is the saudi arabia of libya and every conceivable precious metal that you can imagine that a friend of mine one time said what would have been the chances of our invading iraq if their main export had been progress we have to stop repeating these wonderful tropes and hes pro isnt about how theyre defending the world and somehow maintaining peace but heres a question you asked me if we were to leave lets just next year or less you say we just sat right there is our syria figured out what what happened how what our how and our in the United States how our or anybody elses National Security meet just so happens nurse a pipe or here its about gaps its about getting straight to the mediterranean and rusty keep reminding us that the frank capra one. If idea is you know were going to spread liberty whatever i mean this is your 2020 where were past dont take you know how but laura did but it seems to me i mean we have to remember what obamas watch was the catastrophe in libya and i see the same kind of intimate i see susan rice a whole ring around joe biden i see Samantha Power hurrying around actually they both spoke at the the r. And c. I mean you want it with people with resumes like that should would you would you be happy to see them in a biden ministration well listen im just id like to place it on basketball that some of the things that have been sent here ultimately you know that there is a binary being advanced by lionel here and its that being involved no good can come of it you want to talk about syria for a minute lets talk about syria for a minute there were the complete absence of the u. S. President s president s leaves room for russia and turkey to gain a foothold in the middle east it creates instability in the middle east and it leaves a pathway to peace as as a simmer at your existence so if this is absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no impact when you remove american troops now is it an ideal situation youre be advocating for that again nuance is important here but i dont hear any of that over here all the while you decry this binary that doesnt exist so as american presence in syria bringing about peace now what it does is it doesnt allow the government to rebuild ok i mean i mean the u. S. Government continues to say action syria after the u. S. Lost its last there and its process let me tell you a seat is easy and i dont croak unsalted really not ok but its all in every case and i just allow them places you know foreign governments that are adversaries of the United States russia being one of them i took you being one of them just taking over the power and and im leaving a power vacuum everywhere why didnt you hire that gives out everywhere that sounds right it would actually make people sit down and talk. Instead of funding terrorists groups in the middle east you know maybe you know saudi arabia is a close ally of United States only not when saudi arabia is is exploiting the most noxious ideology can possibly conceive them let me know you want to comment or end up ok know that man is a one of the big in the region would have to figure it out here ok and then the end about the military im just saying why is this in the American Interest to be in afghanistan in syria and iraq when the Iraqi Government and people want us to meet how can we help the iraqi people and nothing all right on this point i have to go to a hard break im like im trying not to be rude here oh well when we return well continue our discussion on forever war stay. Elgood forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. 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Ok laura you and i were having quite a heated discussion before we went to the break i think i do you owe you a time to reply im going to be here let me just say i dont know where to start because you just keep tossing in countries the game but ultimately we have got to get hot and about the other thing that the other instruments that were talking about here which is the erosion of the diplomatic work because this is an entirely military solution this is an economic solution that needs to be foments and with the instrument about solution being that that will matter work you need to have diplomats in gauging and you also need to have alliances i mean america is at its strongest when we have our allies moving forward when were at the center of these negotiations when were working to use our influence and pride so that we can defend our economic interests and ultimately promote democracy because we know that liberal democracies dont fight with one another and only by worse when martin youre not alone and were going to just let me finish one sentence and that would be great you didnt interrupt lionel but you got sure you will at some point but little democracies dont fight with one another so we should be advancing peace and that you may say that thats naive but that should be the ultimate goal with these sort of moves and that so youre not going to agree with me even on the diplomatic you have no road and needles are here and our lives so well be democratic ok that that is i didnt say that i didnt say that or i did it was say anything let it go ahead jim. When he went back in time and took somebody who lets say he died right around the vietnam era brought them back listen to this conversation and asked. Which one do you think of those people talking right now is the democrat whos a republican or if you would say well this this very very well spoken woman i think is she must be shes a hardliner shes a hockey shes a republican so where are you sending about. Writing him arguments we did in via not we never learn to shower him back you know we have to go there let me explain you one thing that you will never hear joe in my slate ever honor or speak through his wisdom crept into you will never hear the country china or. Mention anything we will continue with the intro zeem over russian air in this room so old thinking bating because bad has been the theme from the get go so the idea is simply this the Democratic Party has sold out to whatever you want to call it another Conspiracy Theory it was a conspiracy in fact of the people who have won this country for ever and that is you when it comes to military Industrial Complex whatever joe biden is a manchurian candidate a man who does not know where he is a man who was basically changed who were radiator in a root cellar somewhere was going to be some planted within 2 to 3 months kamel harris if theyre successful is going to be important in their ultimate men cheerio mentor in canada who will make Hillary Clinton look like ramsey clark now we can pretend all we wanted we can use terms of ongoing unit being strong but this is about giving the checkbook to the people who have won. This country doesnt radio youre not going on at all youre not youre going to not me that i am oh thats ok its good i know youre just did so dump it well here is the day you can do that i dont know how you dont just drive out of the temple have i dont know understand how anybody yet that we want to talk about sign us joe biden is absolutely psyched about sign actually you know hes against your he added thats going to replace my comma i hear i mean i would you mr new alliance or write novels that would keep me up at night and bigger rated maybe we can get you a movie you dont want 90 on right there isnt it that has no business that you know guy right and who are going to be policy look me in the eye and look at kerry in the eye and tell me that no particular term to any of your fellow democratic operatives has the subject you know when is coming my hair is going to replaced you know by tell me that has not been address tell me they have me i have to say anyone ever has not talked about the Vice President s fitness to lead in the advent of the president we talked about it was already very nice president of the don its not something you give me another problem you know what i said you are not you know if you talk about 10 well i want you to tell me that you honestly would bet any amount of money that joe biden could continue his term if elected you are finished me saying that you really believe. Were going pretty far afield here ok i want to stay with the Foreign Policy or. What did you think of obamas Foreign Policy because it looks like its going to be an echo about in potential biden in ministration so give us a score card for obama how long have you got i mean and listen i think its complicated why dont we kick in here and you could narrow your question id happily answer and i think you know but your to do i could say libya i think its even and i well you know look it was the perfect absolutely not do i think we need to. All cell rejection use of diplomatic aims use of an economic investments use of sanctions appropriately and and you know i dont think that he was a military intervention we didnt go to bronze go in were caught i mean thats was 7 so yeah i think you once nobody has a chance to try to move troops and where he could certainly happen so i think you know this is a i but i understand you have a completely different version of history about mosul you know so i dont i dont think i could have your own shot i have just i voted version of it ok i think i said to you prior to this recording is that im equally hard on the democrats and the republicans equally hard on obama and on donald trump because im more interested in nonintervention and im very strongly end type of war and i think a lot of miss opportunities we have experienced there and it happens under all it ministrations and thats why i go back to what i said earlier is that it doesnt really matter who is president because youre going to have a permanent democracy then mins and that the on the hill some people like that say the interagency consensus well i didnt vote for that you didnt in line will did ok and it seems to me and i will agree with what i know maybe i dont have the same kind of saurus delivery that lionel does but you know im a little bit worried about the guy you know if he got all his marbles because i see these people surrounding him and these people are bad people they made bad Foreign Policy decisions and theyre still around that i mean listen you cant even as you say that youre against republicans and democrats equally but you only named the Obama Administration so it sounds like you guys the Obama Administration official with the ranee i dont think that was you know it was a good deal was a good diplomatic deal and i thought the Obama Administration for not taking that as a starting point is start stabilizing the middle east it was a great opportunity to do that and i think trunk was a fool to walk away from it so there i gave you a good example. This is and i just i dont like the iraq you know and thats what obama and to dont give kudos of president obama he was rather are reluctant to do what his military advisors told him and the hawks regarding syria he could have done a lot more so he wasnt completely all in but let me just explain to me you are suggesting that were going to abandon diplomatic negotiations had no manger who ever were talking about military let me did let me just be very basic how do we explain to the war and now were in all of these beasts is all over the world now i know this may be unamerican to say theyre going to give me a budget though i do not read about as the what gives the United States a right to go in and say were going to tell country who they can speak with were making deals and saudi arabia we have with our diplomatic schizophrenia is imperceptible to most people how does how do we tell anybody else you deal with this and by the way since were so worried about the stability of the middle east did you hear peter and you hear a lot this notion of the kompany of cudos that was a wreck in terms of president regarding whats happening in the middle east not a word nothing its just because it was a photo op i mean because it was a photo op that did not do not. Say that at 35. Its not that im not here now you just youve just youve just lost me company thats are just lucio day just as you know i dont think i was there while you cannot be serious you cannot know. Honestly come on anybody Going Forward and say he. Was a photo walk do i have to explain to you they history oh i know youre his you know and it sounds like you know youre a member. More and i know that you are and right now here were rapidly rapidly running out of time here but i mean. Dont you see this kind of continuing again kind of being non partisan here this continue being go back to george bush sr all the way to the present and it doesnt refer i am very frustrated you know you know theres plenty of data prototypically from the 2016 election that people are very against these wars these forever wars and trump talks about being against that but you know what hes president and hes and hes not succeeding under his watch ok and tells me something either is something is wrong with him or most likely or in addition to is that the permanent bureaucracy this is what we do for a living you know we have the we have these arms producers we have 5000 bureaucrats and nato that need to keep their ears of very lucrative ones at that and all these alliances well its just really good for the arms producers i mean thats a logic that is irrefutable its just Good Business but its bad for security go ahead so i just just if you give your decision me as odd i guess like quite frankly reliable good as id like to get it. That i ever oh i am paranoid so i just really do think that we can oversimplify i feel like this conversation has been through something reduction as in that way where we can resemble i did say the internet and i have answered our marriage had only rejection she was already nastier oversimplification youve used every echo chamber troll since you idea you have well i didnt realize it response and because because im responding to a question that intervention or not intervention you can take out your thighs and beat me over that look at what it does not mean because there is you can eat it at once and the you sure thats not were nice you can say coughing a lot all and. You are right the one script for this argument thats not what were talking about you are talking about Something Else well you are great and i will give you know that i did not react our action im still reacting to fomenting peace by god were going to deliver peace tells them were going to do it because thats what we do thats our america i cant believe this and by the way ok well actually its a purse time in 10 years and no oh no i have no idea how to end this program but other than saying thank you laura thank you lionel for joining us here and i want to thank our viewers watching us here argue see you next i remember rules. Very mechanisms of neural plasticity that enable stress to get under the skin and to have the negative effect on our mind in our body those same very mechanisms can be harnessed through good to promote resilience to promote flourishing. But it was opposed to some of this there was a. Lot of just before. Last time we chased. 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