Different president s and i would say that there is a diversity of the lassa fever among the different president s that you names but i will say were talking globally about engagement versus isolation as also mentally this is about fomenting and trying to encourage peace in a very particular way and a very tricky way and i think that i think its challenges and that doesnt mean just in that you know military engagement means diplomatic engagement needs Economic Engagement it means figuring out how to balance the tools in our tool catch to try to create stability and peace around the world and ultimately that is the American Interest so i think that when we reduce these arguments into something about do or not do this is its you know yoga and star wars this is this is a complicated i have Foreign Policy you know discussion and i think we have to take it case by case but but youve got you can go ahead make a play get that but its a difference with all due respect i think the American People are tired of its cause. Complicated ok thats why we need leadership and i dont think president trying to send a very good job in this respect or go to line here why is that the binary isolationism interventionism i see that all the time its a false argument line im still trying to get over the ocean of fomenting peace i love that notion of were going to do were going to reach people were going to to increase the courage of the vortex for peace by by by engaging our military to foment peace we are forgetting the root of a man if you will of the essence of this issue and that is simply this what is our mission nobody is against military involvement military action defending our allies but the idea that our of being there does something magical to keep our enemies why we need to know why are we there look i dont want to go deep state police state in tells a shadow government ruling class but this is the military Industrial Complex that has been a part of the american political system irrespective of party thats what this is this is something to do with beach nobody can explain what were even doing in afghanistan yet if you ask people that had something remotely to do with 911 and that said there is nothing unamerican by demanding that we have a clear and cogent and limpid system of protocol and a message and a mission thats it you know lowered it it seems to me because if we you know campaigning is campaigning promises or promises ok were all political junkies here but it seems to me that no matter what a candidate says maybe with the exception of the governor which the democrats dismissed quite quickly and i feel very unfairly is it doesnt really matter what your political stripe is the permanent state or what people call the deep state theyre just going to keep calling the shots. Because you know ill give trump credit for at least trying to get out of his quagmires but the deep state or the permanent bureaucracy constantly blocks dont you think thats going to happen to biden to go ahead well im not going to disagree that the military Industrial Complex is tower fall bent but do i think that they are calling the shots also and i think thats a tin hat Conspiracy Theory accent look that the the global the globe the distribution of global power is something that no single president can ultimately change but the us has a responsibility as a leader to unite our allies and to try to ensure that we have because ultimately he helps us and it protects our American Security and you know you cannot let go of the military option entirely i think thats naive i think you humble and i dont disagree no 100 is important and i know i didnt say that i didnt say but ok again its a false binary call and i dont want to engage on the false binary but im just telling you what im hearing here when i say bad that theres this conspiracy that the military deep state is is directing and calling the shots i will say best donald trump is making big moves but the impact of those moves does not seem to be beneficial unilaterally removing troops from situations before ensuring that there is debility and a vacuum is not created also met late doesnt do any good us any good it can get to be a great talking point for the campaign trail but we will after this i think at a sound withdrawal and the deal with the taliban will we see the Afghan Government i have a more stable in gauge meant when we see the peoples livelihoods if the u. S. Is that the American Peoples responsibility to maintain peace in afghanistan why what is why is the United States in syria why its illegal under International Law it was not invited. And this is not about it im sorry its protecting its oil its not that its not americas oil to protect ok legacy last season id point here no one likes to talk about these things are very inconvenient or presence for peace think it keeps the civil war going on but here youre arguing against it without out without advocating for a solution so i suppose you know youre saying if you did everybody out lucian its very simple if you get out then the parties on the ground will have to figure now its i think its how do you get out maintain no get your on the airplane and really get out no doubt if this is ridiculous this is an argument you see i do this all its not to result in the kick the can i tell you what if you get out there people time. Well 1st i love whenever something is promoted that is true that has been spoken of since eisenhower is valedictory the military industrial how go when you dont know what to say with all due respect to to our guest some measure of the facts coming my way or so. You bring up this this fact need trope about conspiracy theories just become the Climate Change whatever you dont know what to do why are there fires Climate Change now if you want to just say you dont believe in Climate Change either just to be clear i believe in Climate Change i believe in weather and the sun but i do not believe in anthropogenic causes asian. No never how is seen none of the house in maximum thermals anybody who really knows anything about this when are you anyway aside from that is what im going to do battle of the bunkers and youre already have a big problem i dont visit they get bigger ready but yours think look no further than me look no further than the Atlantic Council look no further than people trained to dredge up old cold war russo phony trucks there is a murder sure that is going on in the idea lets just go back to afghanistan where people have this this is they create this fantasy that by our being there were teaching villagers how to. Drill for welds or something it just so happens in afghanistan is new saudi arabia of libya and every conceivable precious metal and you can imagine that a friend of mine one time said what would have been the chances of our invading iraq if their main export had been progress we have to stop repeating these wonderful tropes and row isnt about how theyre defending the world and somehow maintaining peace but heres a question you asked me if we were to leave lets just next year or less you say we just sat right here is our syria figure out why. What happened how would our oh and our in the United States how our or anybody elses National Security meet just so happens there are some pipe or here its about gaps its about getting straight to the mediterranean and rusty he reminding us that the frank capra wonderful idea is you know were going to spread liberty whatever i mean this is your 20 twentieths where were. Well take it for how big laurie did but it seems to me i mean we have to remember what obamas watch was the catastrophe in libya and i see the same kind of intimacy susan rice a whole ring around joe biden i see Samantha Power her ring around actually they both spoke at the the r. And c. I mean you want it with people with resumes like that should would you would you be happy to see them in a biden ministration well listen im just id like to place it on basketball that some of the things that have been sent here ultimately you know that there is a binary being advanced by lionel here and its that being involved no good can come of it you want to talk about syria for a minute lets talk about syria for a minute there were the complete absence of the u. S. President presence leaves room for russia and turkey to gain a foothold in the middle east it creates instability in the middle east and it leaves a pathway to peace as as a simmer at your existence and this is absolutely ridiculous to say that there is no impact when you remove american troops now it is an ideal situation youre be advocating for that again nuance is important here but i dont hear any of that over here all the while you decry this binary that doesnt exist so as american presence in syria bringing about peace now what it does is it doesnt allow the government to rebuild ok i mean i mean the u. S. Government continues to say action syria after the u. S. Lost its last there and its processes let it they do you will see is the legacy and i dont croak unsalted really not a credit something every nation and just allow them places you know foreign governments that are adversaries of the United States russia being one of them turkey being one of them just taking over the power and and im leaving a power vacuum everywhere why didnt you hire that gives out everywhere that sounds right it would actually make people sit down and talk instead of son being terrorists groups in the middle east you know if you know if saudi arabia is a close ally be united so. Only not when saudi arabia is is exploiting the most noxious ideology you can possibly conceive of let me know you didnt manage or end up ok know that man is a one of the page in the region would have to figure it out here ok and that ends the military im just saying why is this in the American Interest to be in afghanistan in syria and iraq when the Iraqi Government and people want us to meet how can we help the iraqi people and nothing all right on this point i have to go to a hard break im like im trying to be rude here oh no we dont when we return well continue our discussion on forever war stay. Look at the bo didley case near those who really can show you. That with that i suppose you noticed us they have something that. No numbers stupina bull episode. Good to see you sure the. Slithering your force way would be near my stubbornness to be if not thoughts about spirit i pity you it was more experienced than me and no. Clue. For you to. Sort of move. The story q. L look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. I robot must obey the orders given by human beings except where such orders to conflict with the 1st law show your identification for should be very careful about Artificial Intelligence and the point is to create trusts the shia. Areas in with Artificial Intelligence will somebody. Must protect its own existence lets go next this. Was. But it was supposed. I. Suppose. Its true we i mean im a little boy they have. Me. I dont know maybe. I will bring right. Now were. Ready. For round one. Well the back to crossed up were all things are considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing forever wars. Ok laura you and i were having quite a heated discussion before we went to the break i think you owe you a time to reply im going to be here let me just say i dont know where to start because we just keep tossing in countries the game but ultimately we have to also getting out and about the other day that the other instruments that were talking about here which is the erosion of the diplomatic work is this is an entirely military solution this is an economic solution that needs to be foments and with the instrument about solution being that that will matter work you need to have diplomats in gauging and you also need to have alliances i mean america is at its strongest when we have our allies moving forward when were at the center of these negotiations when were working to use our influence and pride so that we can defend our economic interests and ultimately promote democracy because we know that liberal democracies dont fight with one another and only by words when our teams are now look why didnt i just let me finish one sentence and that would be great you didnt interrupt lionel but you got sure you will at some point but little democracies dont fight with one another so we should be advancing peace and that you may say that thats naive but that should be the ultimate goal with these sort of moves and that so youre not going to agree with me even on the diplomatic route you know wrote it and needles are here and our lives so well be democratic ok that that is i didnt say that i didnt say or i did it was say anything let it go ahead jim. He went back in time and took somebody who lets say he died right around the vietnam era brought them back listen to this conversation and asked. Which one do you think of those people talking right now is the democrat whos a republican or if you would say well this this very very well spoken woman i think is she must be shes a hardliner shes a hockey shes a republican so where are you sending about. Writing him arguments we did in beat it not we never learn to shower him back you know we have to go there let me explain you one thing that you will never hear joe my flavor of honor or speak through his wisdom decrepitude you will never hear the country china or murmur mention about anything we will continue with the intro zima over russian or in this room so old thinking bating because dad has been the theme from the get go so the idea is simply this the Democratic Party has sold out to whatever you want to call another conspiracy here it was a conspiracy in fact of the people who have won this country for ever and that is you want to call the military Industrial Complex but if joe biden is a manchurian candidate a man who does not know where he is a man who was basically changer or radiator in a root cellar somewhere was going to be some planted within 2 to 3 months kamel harris if theyre successful is going to be put in there the ultimate men cheery mentor in canada who will make the reclaim look like ramsey clark now we can pretend all we wanted we can use terms of ongoing unit being strong but this is about giving the checkbook to the people who have the. This country doesnt radio youre not going on at all youre not youre going to not me that i am oh thats ok its ok i know you just did so jump it well as though here is the day you can do that i dont know how you dont just drive out of the temple have i dont know understand how anybody yet that we want to talk about side us joe biden is absolutely psyched about sign x. So now hes against your he added thats going to replace by com i hear i mean i would you miss your new alliance or write novels that would keep me up at night and bigger rated maybe we can guess what movies you know 90 and id say here is that that has no business that you know guy friends who are going to policy look me in the eye and look at kerry in the eye and tell me that nobody going to turn to any of your style no democratic operatives has the subject know when is common my hair is going to replace job i tell me that has not been address tell me they hear me i have to say any white it ever has not talked about the Vice President s fitness to lead in the advent of the president we talked about it was already very nice residence in the dawn of time someone you know your grandmother crowd here and i said you are not you know if you talk about 10 well i want you to tell me that you honestly would bet any amount of money that joe biden could continue his term if elected you are finished me saying that you really believe. Were going pretty far afield here ok i want to stay with the Foreign Policy or. Laura what did you think of obamas Foreign Policy because it looks like it is going to be an echo about in potential new ministration so give us a score card for obama how long have you got i mean and listen i think its complicated why dont we pick an area if you could narrow your question id happily answer and i think you know but your to do i could say libya i think its even and i well you know look it was the perfect absolutely not do i think we need us. Cell rejection use of diplomatic aims use of an economic investments use of sanctions appropriately and and you know i dont think that he was a military interventionist the we didnt go to bronze go in were caught i mean left was 7 so yeah i think he was nobody but his attempts to try to move troops and where he could certainly happen so i you know this is a i but i understand you have a completely different version of history about mosul you know so i dont i dont think i could have you know im shocked not just i voted version of it ok i think i said to you prior to this recording is that im equally hard on the democrats and the republicans equally hard on obama and on donald trump because im more interested in nonintervention and im very strongly end type of war and i think a lot of miss opportunities we have experienced there and it happens under all it ministrations and thats why i go back to what i said earlier is that it doesnt really matter who is president because youre going to have a permanent democracy then mins in the fiona hill some people like that say the interagency consensus well i didnt vote for that you didnt in line will did ok and it seems to me and i will agree with what i know maybe i dont have the same kind of saurus delivery that lionel does but you know im a little bit worried about the guy you know if he got all his marbles because i see these people surrounding him and these people are bad people they made bad Foreign Policy decisions and theyre still around. I mean listen you cant even if you say that youre against republicans and democrats equally but you only named the Obama Administration so it sounds like you guys the Obama Administration official with the ranee i dont think that was you know it was a good deal is a good diplomatic deal and i thought the Obama Administration for not taking that as a starting point to start stabilizing the middle east it was a great opportunity to do that and i think truck was a fool to walk away from it so there i give you a good example. This and i didnt like the iraq you know and thats what obama and to dont give kudos of president obama he was rather are reluctant to do what his military advisors told him and the hawks regarding syria he could have done a lot more so he wasnt completely all in but let me just explain to me you are suggesting that were going to abandon diplomatic negotiations had no manger who ever were talking about military let me did let me just be very basic how do we explain to the war and now were in all of these beasts is all over the world now i know this may be unamerican to say theyre going to give me im going to do i do not read about this dont what gives the United States a right to go in and say were going to tell country who they can speak with were making deals is saudi arabia we have with our diplomatic schizophrenia is imperceptible to most people how does how do we tell anybody else you deal with this and by the way since were so worried about the stability of the middle east did you hear peter and you hear a lot this notion of the kompany of cudos it was a wreck in terms of president regarding whats happening in the middle east not a word nothing its just because it was a photo op i mean because it was a photo op that did not do not say that at 35. Its not that im not here now you just youve just youve just lost me company thats are just lucio day just as you know i dont think i was ever you cannot be serious you cannot know. Honestly come on anybody Going Forward and say you have sacked was photo what do i have to explain to you they history oh i know your his you know it sounds like you know youre a member. More and i know that you are and right now here were rapidly rapidly running out of time here but i mean. Dont you see this kind of continuing again kind of being non partisan here this continue being go back to george bush sr all the way to the present and it doesnt really it i am very frustrated you know you know theres plenty of data prototypically from the 2016 election that people are very against these wars these forever wars and trump talks about being against that but you know what hes president and hes and hes not succeeding under his watch ok and tells me something either is something is wrong with him or most likely or in addition to is that the permanent bureaucracy this is what we do for a living you know we have the we have these arms producers we have 5000 bureaucrats in nato that need to keep their careers of very lucrative ones at that and all these alliances well its just really good for the arms producers i mean thats a logic that is irrefutable its just Good Business but its bad for security go ahead so i just just to get its position me as odd as like quite frankly rhodes i dont hear that id like to get it. Ever but oh i dont care about it so i just really do think that we can oversimplify best and i feel like this conversation has been through something rejection as in that way where we can resemble i did say intervention when i. Had only rejection she was our own a master of oversimplification youve used every echo chamber troll since you idea you have well because its in response and he has because im responding to a question that says intervention or not intervention you can take out your thighs and beat you over the head with it but it does not mean there is there in secret at present the you sure thats not where my so you can think it cost me a litle and. You are right the one script for this argument thats not what were talking about youre talking about you know well you are creative and i will give you know youre not going to act are action im still reacting to fomenting peace by god were going to deliver a piece of them were going to do it because thats what we youre thats our america i cant believe that and by the way ok well actually its the 1st time in 10 years and no oh no i have no idea how to end this program but other than saying thank you laura i thank you lining for joining us here and i want to thank our viewers watching us here argue see you next i remember. Too that the bill really to sneer those who really can show you. Their thank you just be suitably. Proud that i suppose you noticed us they are so. You know none of us to be in a bow episodes didnt go to see you. Sneer during your posts where you could being a must of missed if not thoughts about spirit i didnt do it was more sinister experiment done in the. Stadia. 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