Transcripts For RT Going Underground 20240712

Afshin rattansi were going underground on day 3 of an old bailey hearing for the worlds most famous publisher and journalist julian a son jesse faces the trial of his life in london later in this program well speak to use of salaam one of the central park 5 whose Wrongful Conviction that donald trump to argue for the Death Penalty but 1st here is Julian Assange speaking presciently about the power of the black lives Matter Movement in one of the many interviews he did for this program in 216 black lives matter. Movement has come upon. Us by the hard work practice but the core of what is driving it is our footage that is undeniable that if you want its not a matter of the you know do you believe the police do believe friends of a person who are strong witnesses it is undeniable footage of exactly what has occurred is not only stimulating parts of the black community i think the black community is on the understood this all too long. But its stimulating enormous acceptance and sympathy outside the market because the argument is proven a son speaking to us in 2016 after being granted asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london the un special rapporteur on torture claims the founder of wiki leaks has been tortured by u. K. Authorities since his capture by Scotland Yard and this week the trumpet ministration seeks to extradite just lacked that could see him die in a u. S. Prison his supporters include Amnesty International Reporters Without Borders as well as even mainstream news outlets cognizant that the court of controversial english judgment could lead to the nail in the coffin of for. The speech in britain sanchez millions of supporters around the world here are a few who have spoken to us here on going on the ground it would be a criminal on the part of the british. To exceed d to the us to their tradition. It would be true theyve already committed many crimes. A sergeant has offense is not being bill and if hes extra good it comes up for trial on the us as spinozas laws which even carry a potential death. Its trial is being. Committed the crime of letting the general population know things that they have a right to know that powerful states dont want them to know anyone who exposes misconduct is not a terrorist i mean Julian Assange says never threatened anyone he has never committed a violent in hes never threatens to commit one. And hes exposed oftener and so i think we should be grateful that we know that these things and states should be grateful that they can hold those people to account that. War when he leaks has done an incredible job. Hopefully you know the saying will be solved but its and same situation youve committed no crime. Here all political and i wouldnt support him. I think youre an incredible person who has brought our heart and we have to support him in every way the parents im now have a lot less and on the right what i know look up a case of julian assad ive got a month to concrete a man with. Cruelty to put such cruelty. A court can treat him put such cruelty. Is quite capable of a form of cruelty no problem policy but the most Important Information that we truly in the sciences fellow citizens of the globe need is information about the secret malfeasance and wrongdoing of our governments which are legit. And truly in the sarge along with Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden and the other whistleblowers down the years of the heroes who helped us to gain some of the knowledge that the powers that be would keep secret if they could support whistleblowers this Truth Tellers to have a government after all its its extraordinary to be up against that even Boris Johnson who was being the most ruthless live free journalist should understand if you will agree to what do you consider asking you to do i mean to do engine trades jury massagers exposed wall cripes to margaret couldnt face the missiles 1st of those things which the United States student. Already said washington is good any form. Of the Us Constitution doesnt apply to them so theyre going big anyone out. Here. To washington to be tried since most governments do the bidding and eat with people dont go out. And its all in. Your ear its only major and make many mistakes but excuse day in march contribution used to make us aware of the next day in the week we drove that many people a bit and so on its so wonderful to meet the best face of joining us both. Google is just if i got out 1st day i soon as i started to hear about it were suddenly far forward that it would end this way. The idea of somebody who says theres all this stuff thats hidden from you and im going to show you im going to give it to you left right and center. Is a kind of person ive always wanted to see you know what ive always felt that was so much that we just dont know about and heres somebody to kind of put me in the Public Domain one finger really upsets me is that. We dont hear about all of the stuff that theyre putting out and i saw the film of american soldiers shooting innocent people in the street this is big news these are the kinds of things that the people of my country the people who work should know about these are the kind of things that these people get up to some of the supporting Julian Assange says he faces extradition to the United States there as to the hearing itself his final word with those arguably on the front line of the battle for british and Global Press Freedom im going underground social media producer part of it and today were outside the old bailey in london by Julian Assange is the wiki leaks founder is arguably in the pipe or is the life why he faces the 1st day of his u. S. Electrician haring trial if he is actually right if the United States he faces a 175 years in a Supermax Prison behind me are many of his supporters and there are some big names out here today who are backing the wiki leaks founder im going to be looking to talk to some of them 1st they are themselves actually trial waters german soldiers condition hes been tortured according to the u. N. Of course hes been tortured and he is not in a good place thats all i can say we heard in the last administration very serious condition has deteriorated like. Course today is the 1st ever trial what are your expectations as been allegations of bias from the court judge is. There any hope now that has come to the old bailey and. We have to bring to the hope that my expectations are low but i demanded justice and when she told him and the justice in this case the abuse of process the been seen in this case up till now it is absolutely horrific its been piling up in the years and the months leading up to this day theres been spying on legally privileged communication theres been stealing of material and 3 weeks ago the americans just threw into this court a totally new document an indictment that totally changes the narrative and julian is supposed to have 3 weeks to prepare for that and his lawyers will the americans have been cooking this up in a 10 year process this is absurd it should be thrown out and if its not thrown out today it will be an abuse of process and an abuse against the rights of Julian Assange say the stars course where you dont want to go where german sanchez extradited where i would put the fight go from the potentially this is only one battle in the war here in this court there will be appeals if he loses here well take it up to the Supreme Court we will do everything in our power to stop this extradition because theres so much at stake not just the life of Julian Assange but the future of journalism as ive been covering the general songe process of the last year calling to every quarter that ive seen the process stronger having seen the same thing around the world a support growing for german fans and even the momentum is growing in his favor i think the momentum is is really coming to his favor and were seeing that in the next you have journalists that are starting to wake up to what is at stake because its their future their job security their right to report on National Security issues when it pertains United States the president of this case is starting to sink in and we should all be of afraid all journalists should be afraid of whats happening here so much of the. And just finally some outlets are doubling down on all of the same as against events on for example Washington Post in a recent article socalled wakey leaks a russian decimation outlook what do you say its all of that all the other guys the germans on to the russian agent its an absurd and its a reflection of the new cold war that we are seeing live being blown up i mean. The please is also cold an anti secrecy organization what is that its the play of were doing a cold Transparency International antisecrecy organization were fighting for trust total transparency just like every journalist should do in this world dossier of journalists on sexual controlled has been on the show saying that there was been a lot of bias against us all from judge for rights are any hope now for more impartiality now that weve called the old bailey well as christine just said we cant depend on hope but. There is enormous pressure for justice in this case and look at the people around here its soul train truly and is now at the center of an International Struggle for justice so i do think that if this court. Allows the extradition of julian. It will go to appeal and im reasonably hopeful that type appeal to the court used to be called british justice my profile i think most people are now intensely angry that this huge miscarriage of justice. Has now found its way to the old bailey to the Central Criminal Court to be. Presided over by a system but israel. Not given truly any justice would go so the last one that i spoke to you were inside about a cage of the canary but your limits on. The football symbolized must be so on the bat that we had a goal post and a 6 hour supply is that the call that pain. Has been playing football with these pay tron to every time they try to trap the scores of goals that no case whatsoever against them to keep changing the mill in fencing the rules moving the goal post and they did so problem is going to get them but they will never said that because its so cobol if that means i will find him to take the step back this is what we face what do you think the consequences will be if youre in a bunch is oxidized at the top despite a will forever be a shining fly hes a hero hes an icon he he on the my film corruption and faithful if theyre still alive because we say mass extinction will recognize him and a shining truth you have any hope that the brothers jumped at the will provide journey leveling oxidized vol rhesus no listen to Public Opinion Public Opinion piece changing in favor of studios it sounds that before like a phone they dont give us about that asshole they do want they want this is the problem of course he would be free because he has his day he has no good no case against it its all incentive and yeah and they had a ball even with that said case they will find him guilty because they because it culminates in a Company Called relatives and thats why we wear these bags over on head because thats what happens if dont say its in the bag those are some of the biggest names on here was the photo jitterbug full coverage of gen con as our solution troll make sure to say if youre going on a drug sucker you option social media pretty easy to find. Ahmed there well weve invited the u. K. Government to appear on the program or provide us with a statement they havent got back to us yet but theyve said in the past that they disagree with a number of the observations by the un repertoire on torture who detailed what he saw as torture of Julian Assange belmarsh prison the government also said judges are impartial and independent from government with any judgement based solely on the facts of the case and the a political law and of course u. K. Prime minister Boris Johnson has previously said its only right that Julian Assange finally faces justice joins us after the break as we speak to a man who knows all about wrongful detention talk to years of salaam one of the exonerated central park 5 you spent almost 7 years in juvenile detention for a crime he didnt commit and whose story is dramatized in netflixs Award Winning show when they see us. So weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race. Spearing Dramatic Development the only thing im going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to get out of the world of politics sports business im show business ill see you then. Welcome back while Julian Assange fights for his life in london over the next 4 weeks are there any lessons to be learned from the Wrongful Conviction of the 1990 central park 5 they won the largest ever pay out in new york state history 41000000. 00 in the storys been dramatized. In netflixs Award Winning show when they see us one of the 5 of the use of salaam joins me now from Atlanta Georgia his new young adult novel punching the air coauthor babies a boy tells the story through verse of one boys struggle against the u. S. Justice system its out now you said thanks so much for joining us on on going underground as i said in part one we heard about the julian a songe case a lot of people think hes innocent Amnesty International these different n. G. O. S fighting for him i know youve been asked the question before but how does anyone cope with being in a maximum security prison knowing theyre innocent you know the biggest challenge just to try to figure out how to keep your mind free even though your bodys in bondage as we know where your head goes your body follows and so as we begin to look at you know the opportunities even through now like weve been experiencing coppa 19 in the world and some people have been going out of their mind because of this and the greatest thing that we can do is try to channel our energy meditate as deep in as far as we can and channel our energy to keep our minds as free as possible because where our minds go or bodies follow but of course in this book there are so many different facets that you examine i mean theres a line here bail money let me know the people believed in me. Something actually bijectively peculiarly apt for julian aside how how did bail money mean so much to you when you were incarcerated. You know because the Community Responds and the Community Responds in such a powerful way by putting their dollars against the system the whole system is coming against you and a great thing about it is that in black and brown communities in those most marginalized communities in america a lot of folks get it because theyve also been known about a spike of justice and those indelible scars that they continue to experience allow them to take their hard earned money whether it be a 1. 50 cent whatever it is all of their stuff adds up and when you need to get someone out of prison because theyre going through this tremendous time their families are not now also going through its not just that individual the family is going through the awful a loss of not having them there with them the community is going through an awful time as well and so its its a really powerful. Expression of hope of resilience of truth that someone would use their money to help to get someone out because people will know if theyve seen the documentary central park 5 all of the netflix t. V. Show the appalling way the media can behave out as one cope when the journalists are just acting as that of refers for power. You know thats the biggest challenge i think when i look at what happened in our case 2 weeks after we were accused the now President Donald Trump who was a real estate mogul back then took out a full page ad calling for our deaths it was essentially telling the rest of america that it was ok that open season for black people were ok and especially for the central park 5 warrants gnome. They made a sly. Like. Part of the way they have to do with us. They hope that someone from those most sinister sides of society would do to us what they had done to emmett till as a matter of fact another media personality pat buchanan wrote in the papers that we should take the eldest one corey wise and hang him from a tree in central park and that we should do this by june 1st and so we were we were up against tremendous odds the gravitational pull of the negativity that we were in is something that we are experiencing now because we have social media everybody has a front row seat to all pression especially oppression in america and you know White Supremacy white male dominance is something that we are all experiencing the evil of around the globe and as we try to move out of that gravitational pull fighting against spiritual wickedness in high and low places we have a tremendous opportunity because the best thing about being born in the struggle is that youre automatically born on the side of right youre automatically born fighting for true freedom justice and equality not the imagined system that doesnt include all of us were talking about the inclusion of the kaleidoscope of the human family in the same way that dr king had a dream. And in this book malcolm x. As mentioned quite early on in punching the air i should say julian assads talk about black eyes matter back then but of course he was exposing interest clinton you. Obviously have feelings about donald trump taking out those advertisement calling for your deaths but of course it was biden who is responsible for mass incarceration policy harris the Vice President ial nominee. Theres a case Daniel Lawson an innocent man she wanted to jail for the 3 strikes law what can americans do now to prevent future central. Well you know what i look at i look at the fact that we have the opportunity now that we understand that its not about just so to speak having a plan for the weekend we cant even just have a 5 year plan we need to have generational plans and as we play on this game of chess the idea in the understanding is that were making incremental successes in games and so yes right now we where were looking at the current election and the possibilities of what ought to calm but i think that the mindset of you of of the heartbeat of america is different the mindset of our ancestors wildest dreams has been crying out and weve been talking about yesterday we were talking about reform and now today were talking about abolition were talking about tearing the whole system down a system that was imagined not to include us we were always seen as 3 fifths of a human being. You got idea. In the youre here on our only had to have this because lets see we were relegated to the new cotton fields of the of america through the criminal Justice System a system that i call the criminal system of injustice its a description. Of the use of salon on the 16th 11th grade. Here. Im actually 50 graduate High School Next Year you tell me 15 each each give some grace. And i change the birth date on. Top of the its time for us were also going to 60. But now we have this opportunity to imagine what the great future will be like not necessarily for us but for our childrens childrens children and so in that incremental gain we have to make sure that the 46 president is much better than the 40. That the president and because we are the people and we are the ones who will agitate we are the ones who will hold people to their promises we are moving in the political space in a way that we have never moved before we have our eyes wide open and thats one of the things that 2020 has given us is given us the awesome opportunity to have 2020 vision we see things perfectly now and as we move into 2021 and beyond we move with the knowledge and the truth of what we need to be about and we are going to be about that very thing in a very very powerful way that adds life to us in that as life to the rest of the world yeah but if you are right now in prison maybe watching this program what hope can you have from joe biden let alone donald trump well i tell you what if we look at a persons past 4 point past performance we can predict what they will do in the future now youre looking at both candidates and we already know that donald trump is running as the law and order President Donald Trump is saying that he wants to make a good America Great again on the echoes that were hearing in the background of states rights and we know that states rights means especially in the south the mean states rights to own slaves you know of course the driver deny that and when you talk about the bus you know that joe biden gave an impassioned speech for mass incarceration joe biden was opposed to the segregated schools not the altar of. Well listen i mean if you look at it all were talking about certain ology at its highest form and even though someone will deny this or someone has done this in the past what i would always say is we we like i have a different sort of speak connection to donald trump of course and as we look at america right now what do we see we see that person at the top of the country saying that he is trying to unite us but then telling the give municipalities to get control over their cities in their states and what are those municipalities doing there being us in the in the face is almost like malcolm x. What he said he said theyll bus you in the mouth and then theyll charge you for being the accuser or the abuser its like victim blaming we weve had enough of that and even if a new president is called into office the greatest thing that happens is that we the people have a new mind and we have a new opportunity because were not looking at things like ok well just put that person in office and then well turn a blind eye and go back to do what were doing when we see whats going on in the streets and enough is enough its about abolition now not about making a bandaid over the cut well we saw the defunding the Police Campaign we saw a brief flicker of statues coming down of racists it even happened over here after the George Floyd Killing your book weaves in and out of imperialism colonial legacy is in africa what about the fight back to all trump said just in the past few days no set is a coming down on his watch. Well see thats the thing were still talking about rick knology right the people are speaking. This is the United States the imagery that we see in the word United States is us meaning us but weve known that the imagined vision of the Founding Fathers did not include us as a matter of fact on the heels of emancipation proclamation the 13th amendment was included in the founding documents of this country which allowed slavery to continue by another name as we look at the criminal Justice System we i call it in many of many of my constituents call it the criminal system of injustice because for us it has been just that we can clearly see that you can have a person shoot up a church and be captured alive and you can have a person sitting in their car reading a book and be murdered you have so many examples of the duality of american the the american criminal Justice System that is criminal to see whats going on and is trick knology to tell us that we are Getting Better when we look like were getting worse when were experiencing more worse and more treachery more pression we want the American Dream we collectively have the foot of america or the need of america on our next of a as a thank you. Thank you thats after the show will be back on saturday just beautiful the brazilian president lula about spending 580 days in prison interruption charges of Money Laundering only to be freed potentially staging one of the greatest political comebacks in modern times still that join the underground of facebook. And instagram. The world is driven by shaped by one person. Thinks. We dare to ask. Collapses now the whole system would collapse and belarus would follow and everything would be put back years the president gives an interview to Russian Media including azzi where he says country would collapse if hes forced out. Meanwhile dozens were arrested during rallies protesting the detention of the opposition figure head americas last make up also ahead. As coronavirus cases surge in the u. K. Boris johnson wraps up restrictions in england with the socalled rule of 6 gatherings of more than 6 people