To see this nation is far from healthy that our Police Departments are the most dramatic expression of Structural Racism that our prisons are full of black people and latinos that. That we have to have an abolitionist imagination if we want to guarantee a future for our city i was standing nation and for the world what does that mean for ill get on to abolitionists as regards the Prison Industrial Complex and the police but obviously the f. B. I. Targeted you set in media circles people know about watergate do you think itll take a lot longer to know about cointelpro well increasing numbers of people are aware. The extent to which show the government attempt it to wipe out all of those who were resisting those who actually represented the possible future of democracy in this country it usually takes a very long. Long time for radical change to begin to be made but then on the other hand there are moments such as the current conjunct show were bringing together. A range of struggles a range of issues and allow those of us who have been active in struggles against racism and patriarchy and economic oppression over the years to recognise that the work we do does ultimately make a difference even though it may be 10 years 20 years 30 years 40 years 50 years before we are able to witness the fruits of that after this labor. Some might not know a cointelpro is from people watching this interview from around the world how did it just remind us how the f. B. I. Persecuted you i know in the news right now we hear about trump being persecuted by the f. B. I. Well of course i was placed on the f. B. I. s 10 most wanted list and 1970 and it was in the context of a development of a program called the Counter Intelligence program cointelpro specifically targeted black activists not only myself but many members of the black Panther Party i was active in the black Panther Party but i was also a member of the communist party. And. Of course the black Panther Party was. Targeted and particular and was said to be the most dangerous threat to the nation by j. Edgar hoover who at that time was that head of the yad vashem also quite out of the soft tissue of course. Who is still alive and who lives in cuba now was a few years ago designated as one of the 10 most dangerous terrorists and the world and so the f. B. I. Continues to use its force to single out and to. Challenge those who are trying to bring about radical change in this country i think that could have been during the Obama Administration he was designated as yes it was during the Obama Administration absolutely well well get to his Vice President joe biden in a 2nd but you talk there about communism you have used the phrase racial capitalism has the role of a revenue. Changed since back in 72 when you said that it means wanting to change society to broader world where needs and interests are responded to well i think use the term racial capitalism which show comes from. Political scientists and. Black studies scholar centric robinson who pointed out that capitalism has always been infused with racism trowed the outset of the present so that we should not. Think about racism as cap and capitalism as discrete entities they are both and to connect it with each other but i think that this is really a Pivotal Moment not only in the history of the us but also in global history that we collectively witnessed the lynching of joy each floyd at a time when the world was shocked and placed so tempting to avoid being infected by nate hino and of course the struggle against lynching and against racist violence has an extremely long history that dates back to the immediate aftermath of slavery so i would say that this moment has been a Long Time Coming i dont think that anyone expected that it would develop quite in the way that it did but the particular confluence of revealing the Structural Racism that many black and latin next immunity is more vulnerable to convict 19 combined not only see horrendous murder of george floyd but also our mark our grim reality taylor and tony. Date but i think what is so important today is that people are focusing on structural issues theyre not simply calling upon the individual cops to be brought to justice. This current for demilitarization of the police and defunding of the police and to dismantle the police well it certainly does it certainly does seem pivotal when there wasnt long ago Ruth Bader Ginsburg the Supreme Court justice was saying sports star Colin Kaepernick was dumb and disrespectful to take a knee now we have the d. N. C. Doing it what did it make you feel when you saw nancy pelosi and the others wearing gun a in traditional kente cloth worn famously by a qualm in a croom a before he was overthrown by the cia. Ok its kind of a bizarre image of course but but when i am lies that what i see is the act. Of mass movements of the protesters the salad arity that was intended by. The solidarity that was. Millions of people in the street but of course they have to do a great deal more than take a knee like cold cavern it did a great deal more than we can take last. We will see what happens over the coming period. Scotland has voted to stop the selling of tear gas rubber coated steel bullets and riot shields to the United States the word of the country is to stop selling riot control gear to the United States after what weve seen on our t. V. Screens of the protests. Oh absolutely. And i think its important to point out in this context it was back in 2814 in the context of the ferguson uprisings that the militarization of the police was revealed and the fact that the tear gas that was being used those occupied palestine was the same tear gas that was being used and ferguson weve learned that many Police Departments including some are on ones like the Ferguson Police department have received Anti Insurgency training by the Israeli Military and also i heard so many apple this police oversee training from israel im not sure about the particular offices have been accused of the murder of george floyd but i think we need to remember that there is still an important collection between struggles in the us and struggles and power stand this connection was made and the 960 s. It was made again in 24 g. And it needs to be emphasized today what is it about palestine that is so important the European Union is against boycott divestment sanctions over here in britain the labor party its foreign China Foreign secretary says its the semitic to condemn atrocities by the Israeli Government was palestine relevant to what were seeing about george floyd well how this time has taught us a great deal about resistance about. The insurance of resistance and weve learned a great deal about the president just real complex by looking at palestine and looking at all of the ways wish palestine and is experiencing the cursor all technologies developed by the state of israel for a very long. Time there have been links of solidarity between house in hands on the ground and black people and the us what i myself was in jail i received numerous solidarity messages from palestinian Political Prisoners i think that. The time has come to reveal the absolute absurdity of assuming that the criticism of the policies and practices of a nation state such as israel are equivalent to anti semitism as a matter of fact many jewish people in israel are involved and the struggle for solidarity with with palestine and certainly be vs is simply a ploy cartload made desperate sanctions it is a Nonviolent Movement the way in which it is falsely represented by so many. Forces in the world is something that we have to add on lies and dispute well we invite the israeli ambassador to london on the program to refute some of what your saying i think the Israeli Government does admit to demolishing homes professor angela davis ill stop you there more from a luxury black panther activist after this break. Elbert forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. 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Welcome back im still here with one of the most influential activists of the last century professor angela davis local Police Forces state Police Forces can surely say nothing like the action they are taking against the george floyd protesters is like what happened against move in 1905 in philadelphia when children were killed aerial bombardment of homes and so forth do you think things are better today well i think things are better in the sense that we know that were able to add a lot more a fact as we understand the meaning of the kind of policing to wish people in this country have been subject it up for a very long time. It is a quote to remember that. The legacy of slavery is a part of the process of policing today. The slave patrols during slavery only after the emergence of racist lars and the use of Law Enforcement to guarantee the own folding of horrendous len shit and i think things are better today because we recognize the institutional character of this race is and were not simply saying thats it individuals who commit these horrendous acts are responsible were pointing to the systems were corning to the struck should send this insistence on understanding Structural Racism institutional racism state racism is is relatively new and this is what has made this particular historical moment so exciting and yet with this gain in consciousness the increase in budgets for Police Forces seem staggering the new york Police Department as a 6000000000. 00 budget thats bigger than vietnams Defense Budget vietnam of course which defeated the United States of america what is behind these Massive Police budget. Well of course the emphasis on police the emphasis on policing the emphasis our prison meant that has led to mass incarceration is very much driven by racism. And law and order instead of addressing the needs of communities of color and let me say that we are in the process of doing to date what should have been done and the i media aftermath of slavery. Of this these processes of guaranteeing that previously enslaved people and degeneracy people subject to. Genocidal empacher colonization let teams next communities. That. There should have been efforts long ago to consider what kind of changes our society would be required it order to guarantee equality and justice for all as specifically racial and economic and gender justice and equality you mention as incarceration some probably know in the corridors of d. N. C. Power think joe biden may be synonymous with mass incarceration what would you say to someone thinking of voting for joe biden in november well. Im not really happy about joe biden so i think that in the long run we need to break out of the 2 party system both of which a very much tied to corporate capitalism. But of course that this was going on we have less than 5 months before the upcoming election. I dont see this election being about choosing a candidate who will be who will be able to lead us in the right direction it will be about choosing a candidate who can be most affected flea pressured into allowing more space for the evolving empty races move met by does very problematic in many ways he has not only in terms of his past and the role that he played and pushing toward mass incarceration of oh hes indicated that he is opposed to this disbanding the police and this is definitely what we need we need to re conceptualize the very notion of Public Safety but i say but. But it is far more likely to take a mass. Seriously far more likely than the current occupant of the white house so that this coming november the election well as us not so much 7 to vote for are the best candidate but to vote for or against ourselves and to vote for ourselves i think means that we will have to care for vote for by you know the George Floyd Protests will create a new Political Party to vote for in time for november then i dont think personally you know who knows what is possible but building a party takes a great deal of time and we meant talking about new parties and new parties have emerged. But to build the kind of party with. Peer elton masses of people for a structure that would be capable of getting out the vote in time to oust donald trump is another issue you mention defunding the police because youre an advocate of prison abolition i mean what is it like living in a country which imprisons proportionally more than stalin or mao ever did well you know of course im someone who has been involved in. Working against imprisonment sense since the 1970 s. I i became involved in the struggle and. In movements against movements for the freedom of Political Prisoners like lolita liberal like bobby seale from the black Panther Party. And many of us have been current for the abolition of prisons for decades as a matter of fact my introduction to the concept of evolution came with abacha uprising in 1071 when i myself was in and jailed the racism that has been recognized as driving the very structure of policing and this country is equally embedded in the prison system and is responsible for what we have come to call mass incarceration so. Just as the call for the abolition of policing and its current form is now being raised. It reflects it reflects decades old calls for the abolition of prisons. And of course we call for prison abolition because prisons are simply a dumping ground for people who represent the failure of society to trust problems of poverty and physical and Mental Health and education etc why isnt it why is it been so difficult would your mother still in prison Leonard Peltier a why these names a decade after decade why is search concerted action failed to free so called Political Prisoners in the United States oh it gives you a sense of the power of this institution. Power of the police the power of Police Unions as a matter of fact more me i was remark linnet penalty here continue to languish in prison piece precisely by Police Formations in this country so im hoping that as this as the Police Unions are coming under an enormous amount of criticism this may also create an opening for us to demand the release of leno and. Well people around the world know of your name arguably in the global south and so on we now learn that here in britain the british say to curity service is a using a picture of you perhaps to entice certainly to promote their own campaign called stooge on instagram and facebook to encourage some kind of work debate what do you think about how youve been coopted. Now in this latest british intervention by the Security Forces here. Well it doesnt surprise me. And i think its important to be aware that all kinds of strategies are being employed will be employed to try to over ass the global way of resistance and im i just hope that people recognize these are Desperate Measures just this policy is of the government and the u. K. And the u. S. Desperately trying to preserve a past this is a labor practices of misallocated the line mental and justices but i think that young people who are protesting today represent a different future and the only thing i can say is maybe they prevail well just finally then statures fall all around the world to imperialist often the placards read by any means necessary malcolm x. Is famous quote what do you think that phrase means 55 years after malcolm x. s assassination. Well of course at the time when malcolm x. Said by any means necessary he was only a caning our absolute determination to overturn racism in inequalities and all forms of injustice i think that we can continue to say by any means necessary the fact that so many people out in the streets and its a covert 19 pandemic was indication of the deep how should and the collective will for change. And. You know i think that people are becoming aware of the extent to which the past is still driving the present and that what we are doing now is long overdue up or opposition to race is Police Violence is about finally facing the sentries all. Legacies of races he ages any day ages though of cooption where the black lives matter will be coopted the funeral for floyd had joe biden in it and the famous dichotomy house the group was his field negro is that still alive today of. Course there are always efforts to call us troubles. And a sense we can say that when we efforts we should be our successes. That those however are desperately trying to identify with those who are struggling so that of course so that they can change the trajectory of those struggles but i think that many people understand that now and i actually welcome these expressions by people in power because we realize that we are beginning to challenge the head mounted powers. Of those and government if we do this we can collectively resist the dominance of the past and we can begin to move toward a more master tory future president ial davis thank you thats it for one of your favorite shows of the last season will be back for a new season of the come in the face of the man like in the show you dont miss an interview and join me on the road my philosophy but i think its a gram and sound they say. Crazy. He just took out a syringe. To shock but harry was. I have been waiting for the moment of complete. Collapse i never knew it would happen this. New york alone has become a place of. Demonstrations were driving through. New yorks neighbor. On the side sitting in the city. Going. To some of the citys. Quite quickly going to the 2nd grade so were not even done with. Little let them know. Whats going on behind those walls. Country. Has the worst response theres. Nothing. Going to be so great. Were going to have maybe and. Maybe and. 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