There any news in the truth is there any truth in the news also what theres this one creature known as Elliott Abrams say about trumps Foreign Policy. To disguise this and more im joined by my guest alexander mackerras and london he is a writer on Legal Affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and in athens were joined by alex kristof he is the director and writer for the duran dot com ari jelling crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate where its going to london for us alexander during the soviet union the 2 of the major state publication was probably his best year praga obviously means truth is best it means news and there was a joke during the soviet union there is no truth in the news and theres no news in the truth i say i tend to think thats where we are in the west. Where does truth meet news and does news ever have a thing to do with the truth because it is so deep weaponized politicise that it is just a commodity to be used for ideological purposes so what is the what is the purpose of i guess media and can we even say free media anymore go ahead what i do we can say free media best the 1st time would make i mean you know all you media and media today in the west has become very very controlled its become very. Centralized is a very small group of owners those owners are very well connected within the political system and they have certain perspectives within that political system so the result is we have a dramatic all opinions commentry and discussion and when he comes to facts what you tend to see especially on Foreign Policy issues but even increasingly on domestic policy issues is that the facts now of very very much a present in a certain way that seems to fill certain agendas so you will consist see that for example if a particular Foreign Government is on call could look to the United States the entire media will connell in and will repeat the various allegations against it without much truth we see the same kind of phenomena being used on specific told peaks within the political debate in the b. 8 within our within western countries so the taranaki of the media for example with one or 2 exceptions bolted to the russia gate narrative hasnt withdrawn from age or backed away from it and the other thing thats happened this is one of the most extraordinary and pressing things to me is that at the same time as the media has become will concentrate its head and its their dog its very his own agendas almost in unison it has become extremely aggressive and indeed in the language and the use that now comes out in the media is off the scale and the concept that used to be very rigidly follows a separation separates the opinion from reports she had you know the reporting of the facts which is usually salient jex if and then you have the opinion. Comments on the Television Always state now you repeat the reporting of facts and hes full of and theres hardly any you cant separate the reason. Facts dont really matter i guess thats thats one of the underlying principles of osa for a you know i dont im im sure you saw me the full length the version of the george floyd video ok that was released a few days ago so it gives you a much broader picture of what was going on and its a more complex story than it was being presented in the initially which doesnt take away from the outcome obviously and then we havent as only generate macarius mention of the russia hoax which has been proven to be a hoax over and over again which you would know that from Mainstream Media is meant fact they continued it to double down on it just in different variations of it is a hoax that will never die because its the foundational element of their worldview when it comes to particularly in american domestic politics here so i mean even if you have the facts as we would understand it of the 3 of us and our viewers that doesnt amount to much doesnt count for much does it. Make up stories and they lie and i think everyone understands the word faith nears now but the problem is they never correct themselves out of a problem with making mistakes as a reporter i get it thats going to happen but they never correct themselves so they say the lie and then they distribute that lie and they distribute it quickly i think this is an added danger to whats happened in the media not only do you have a centralization of Mainstream Media you have a centralization of the distribution and its very quick distribution and thats in the form of social media so you have the Mainstream Media colluding with the social media example of the george floyd tape. The truth came out we got to see the whole video everyone can make up their own mind and thats great everyone can judge it as they see fit to judge it but the may stream media would not report it with the exception of maybe one or 2 late night hosts or carl think that we exactly and the social media made sure that no one was allowed to see it the big tech social media course we go to sites like big shirts or a parlor or these alternative media and see it but the you tube the twitter is the facebooks they would it let anyone see that tape see that video in order to make their own judgments so i mean not only do you have to make the cable news and the primetime news and the big Corporate News centralized the social media has also become centralized and theyre working together and to me peter thats been the biggest disappointment of all of this when social media came out i actually thought wow these guys could actually work as competitors to the mainstream news we twitter could compete with the b. B. C. Facebook could compete with fox news at the end of the day though what happened they ended up working together you tube decided to scrub and get rid of alternative news outlets and favor the Mainstream Media news you know in other words its just becoming another platform where you can watch cable news and on a personal note peter i go to sites like the usa today and theyve written articles about the duran every now and then they have me listed they actually describe me as a russian native and thats im not exaggerating a russian native i wasnt born in russia has no connection to russia of Greek Cypriots born in the u. S. So i mean thats thats the amount of misinformation i could throw out there and nobody calls and ive been mentioned in the only 5 debate right is that i wear a boat. Ok to be curious you know i can understand like for example have. Breaks it was it was a deeply divisive issue it was deeply political there was a lot of best interest on all sides we could look at the russia gate hoax obviously that was used as a. Weapon against donald trump and it had no foundation to it it was just a conspiracy took on its own life for political reasons but then it got worse ok i can understand partisanship i got no problem im partisan ok then why do you listen to the other side or other sides what it would happen with this pandemic i dont know what to believe about it people say its a science but most people would say its the science have no idea what science is and they have but they have their own agenda here and i think thats really been very damaging to the body politic in the west who are particularly which i know best about what can you what should you believe and can you have tolerance for people that believe differently and this is even a worse place than just partisan politics well this is exactly true to go to the to the pandemic i have very clear if you surprise me about the pandemic which i have expressed very clearly in various places and they are close to what we might consider to be deals but i absolutely do not believe in suppressing people who hold alternative views to me what you few jews at is that she will undermine trust and he few do it on every single tool create you will in the end undermine trust in everything i think if we look at attitudes to the media now that is exactly what is happening in the United States in place an angel mini you discover that institutions like you know the media the big media mold is the b. B. C. M s m b c. Entities which once used to command immense. Trust own no longer trust state anymore and when there is no trusts they cannot be proper consensus action and of course we have to understand something which is very important in democratic societies trust is essential people may disagree with the chancellor but they have to accept that within the political system within the political debate on a subject like the pandemic people are actually and speak in good faith if they no longer believe that if they think that they have been manipulate us and lines to Untold Stories in order to suit agendas which solti many people didnt say today and with a cold coke was then you start to see and humilation across lives and thats exactly whats been happening on topic after top pick up to talk ph in the west ellis for that alexander here is theres something Just Brilliant here about you know good faith if you disagree you cannot by definition have good faith and that is a thats a one way i mean that is that is that open itself up to any kind of an interrogation you know what you know we used to think that you know and talk about in the manufacturing of truth but really this is the manufacturing of myths because you know it has no foundational basis so if a myth can can be built upon and can be manipulated all at once and weve seen this over and over again with innumerable topics here so its really the the the manufacturers of this and you must because if you dont youre not a good faith factor faith factor they did monetize you they d. Platform you they make you disappear some of these companies go after your means of living they call after your pay pal account after your bank account i mean what alexander said in the beginning not only do they not let. You absorb the news make your own decision or speak about your opinions about the news they go after you think dont agree with you and they go after your entire livelihood let me give you a going back to the pandemic let me give you an example of what twitter has done twitter came out with a statement the other day and they said that the corona any news coming out of china about the corona we do not see it as going against our terms the next day they come out with a statement saying trumps tweets about the corona violate our terms and he needs to take down that tweet. It doesnt make any sense and people see this this is the president the United States is a twitter account 606070 1000000 people follow not a know how many but they see this and they go what is going on something is going on with corona theyre not telling us the truth theyre lying to us they make people even more suspicious than they make people doubt the media even more and its not working in anyones favor you know its getting you have to still censor yourself now you have to i dont even know if im allowed to say corona and my lot to say that im yes so good will bring that they believe that they can determine what truth is i mean that has been the entire experience of western civilization is the discussion about but they seem to come to a rather easy gentlemen would jump and you know we go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news. During this era we talk about all the crazy problems out there and then during the summer we have solutions thats right so lucians and today were going to be talking with oh big nose of coin floor. U. K. Government. In the early ninetys seventys how much can a psychologist fix only just proposed to the west but incentive to social experiment wanted to live paedophiles and neglected boys experiment was a. Good model. Dr cantu believed that sex with older men would help with the boys socialization over 30 years many children wack. Paedophiles to raise. This all for prohibition. Welcome back to crossfire were all things are considered on peter bell to remind you were discussing some real news. Ok lets go back to london which heres a gentleman. In the last few news cycles we learned that Elliot Abrams is not only keeping the venezuelan desk hes been given the iran desk as well a convicted. Convicted felon lied to congress and hes elevated here i wouldnt have done this story just on Elliott Abrams because its very clear cut in my mind in the in the minds of people who watched these videos. And this program but at the same time we had susan rice being touted as a possible Vice President ial. Position in a biden ministration. What does this tell you that abrams is elevated and you have susan rice that hasnt track record of utter and complete failure on Foreign Policy so what does this say because we have a never trumper Elliott Abrams now further in bed in the trumpet ministration and we have. A former obama official there with a track record of failure that is on track not maybe not by president. Maybe another position in about 2 different ministration what does that tell us about Foreign Policy now what does it say about this one go ahead what it says 1st of all is that there is no county schwantz in the United States if you will wrong on Foreign Policy crew volumes you wore wrong in a certain way if you were wrong in favor 8 regime change in other countries and aggressive in the sequel and economic stunts for the United States if you believe intel gets you not the country this they you all rule g. s even if theyre all you know no weapons of mass destruction in iraq even if they were attempts to stage coups in venezuela are already complete failure yet even if iraq itself is a total its unbuckled because if you look at 88 grams and you know can sue some qualities of course they will argue they come to this just in to specs and susan rice will say shes a liberal humanitarian intervention is. Of course any 8 grams is a neo conservative interventionist the result is exactly the same. I would all like you that the United States is based interests at this point it is history ours so why dont we trenchant any pulling away from these extremely aggressive policies which have done no good or told but despite the criticism these policies come in full what we see is that people who advocate the solar system in fact 2 of the most extreme that rickets of these fall is this a groundswell the one so i susan rice on the other theyre about to be promotes. See right i call this the wind in his asian. American Foreign Policy because that you know is that very famous they would come as they rather than out interagency can he sends. But thats exactly what it is trump is made no impact on it and it is a as a Foreign Policy. During his own right me he hired in fire john bolton hes brought in Elliott Abrams and you know with some very new ones on the margins its a its a bush obama Foreign Policy and as and it shows that it is his role as president is had almost nothing to do with steering the ship of state for the United States and i think that is really pathetic because that was one of the foundations that he ran on as president and people or. I mean i think the disheartening part is that after bolton and the mistakes that trump made with bolton mcmasters and all kinds of and all kinds of people and now you have abrams getting elevated but i think thats thats definitely an element of having tom pale as secretary of state if trump wins reelection i expect and i expect that tom taylor will be moving on thats what i think will happen and i think a lot will change if content does move on and if if trump appoints a proper secretary or secretary of state and not a neo con or near liberal like topsail then we may see some changes maybe a fling type of appointed appointee yeah but saying that you know dont you think. We could only kind we can only hope but what why should we believe that would be it wouldnt be a pushback i mean i dont agree im saying if. If if he appoints someone on the opposite side of top and once again ill say like a flame when he 1st appointed flynn and then he got completely sidetracked when what happened to flint happened and he went down this other road of mcmasters and pompei on all these neo cons so if he gets on track in his 2nd term and he avoids listening to the swap then we may have some hope that he male point someone will do a better job were in the case of biden we have no hope thats my point thats it. Trump we do have some hope there is some hope trump hasnt gotten us into a war has the us into war he hasnt gotten the us bogged down in any major conflicts so there is some hope that if he does win a 2nd term there is a chance that pompei only and that hes done with all the Russia Ukraine gay stuff and he can appoint someone along the lines of the slim tycoon may actually implement some change with biden i think theres absolutely 0 chance of seeing any kind of change in u. S. Foreign policy i think it will get more aggressive susan rice case in point how many times has she lived how many times that she lied to the American People or under oath i mean nothing has happened to her work a lie from flynn a pop i dont. You see what has happened today when you know the f. B. I. Has questioned them and they caught him with then rebate a very minor infractions so my point on all of this is with trump and why you have to vote trump is that you do have some hope that things could change with biden i think theres 0 chance that 3 and a half years ok i mean and that means something here all right i agree trying to get us and any new wars here but this will hold gambit against iran it is just a disaster for everybody concerned i mean look at that horrific explosion in beirut not for a millisecond it was then that maybe we should lift the sanctions against lebanon so they can get out of this no not not at all ok and this is a trumpet ministration ok its not an obama and its not a problem its apparent that it might be an ministration again my point here this is like on autopilot here is not much you can do about it the swamp is all powerful and they have their own lines in the media and everyone looks out for each other and that is the basic state of american Foreign Policy today going to make your well if we if we actually look at what has happened in doha soon a healthy is i mean dont even like. Michael flynn he was supposed to be a super or at greenland he doesnt 3 weeks he was a hand he was prosecuting its been decided by the Justice Department he was innocent after all and still hes tangled up in legal cases we had over there last year was at the beginning of this year we had colonel been talking about the interagency which the presidency in the presence of shoot me in peach fool does agree with this i mean this is what he was sake said what we have is a form of permanent governance in the United States did under the pertinent governments in the United States which supposedly the elected politicians must obey or if they dont update what will happen to them there is what happens if layton who wasnt elected was appointed by the president all well we saw what happened with well she case with trumps impeachment proceedings and all of these things bill is a very dance place for a democracy to meet and consider susan rice sears and rice weve discussed her Foreign Policy stance is we can also look at a domestic policy and says she was heavily involved in an unmarked skiing people in the last years last weeks of the Obama Administration in mali communion that is reason enough to disqualify any true of any kind of legal in the search because hes now divorced president said i have no memory of it is your 1st baking is that you know she went you know because shes the patriot quoting her cheek she did everything she was the 1st resistance fighter at the top of what she is the fact is that she is part of the interagency consensus and this is the real power which is it seems holds isnt. Possibly difficult to break into the jungle against you because youre facing impeachment your facing criminal proceedings your face you use in the media you come up against all of these problems sex off the world boxes to for biden i mean to just go ahead and make or to tax off the wealth boxes for by those who are biden has boxed himself in and said im glad im going to have a black woman as Vice President and he doesnt have many choices there so youre down to come on harriss and susan rice unless theres someone we dont know about but those are stresses so susan rice obviously isnt the only so aside from the fact that she is part of the swap and the swap is very excited to get her in there for biden she checks off those boxes you know its only stay with you i think its. You know people that know american politics and follow it you know its a rule of thumb that almost nobody cares who the Vice President is ok there is hype in the media you know its just part part of be the ritual but in this case enough people enough people that supported troop in 2016 again Foreign Policy did play a role being anti interventionist with susan rice on the ticket it may give people a reason to say yeah im going to go out and vote for him again because if maybe they say this time around if we take the rice issue of tables like whats the point ok i didnt get what i wanted ok that judge thing didnt work out on the Supreme Court but with susan rice it seems to me thats going to be thats going to rivet the trump base to really get their act together and go out and vote and im a strong believer that this this election will all be about turnout go ahead ours yeah i agree with you on that i mean once again ill go back to the fact that biden boxed himself in he doesnt have any choice and hes thinking do i put susan rice and energize the trump base especially the trump base thats interested in farm. Policy and International Interventions and all these things or do i appoint kemal hatteras kemal harriss is not depressed choice for a biden because there hes alienating all the progressives the entire progressive base so hes stuck with these 2 people doesnt have anybody else because he has to check those boxes that he himself put on the ticket i mean he put those restraints on himself i do wonder if. The pick and you know if he if he if thats his set that hes going to choose from when he wins then they will check his box on the you know curation day they dont say them out into the past year ok thats a topic for another program im chillin i want to make an announcement here ive seen crosstalk is going on vacation as of today will be back in a month i want to thank my team my crew for all their hard work particularly during this endemic working from home and fingers crossed and knock on wood you will see me again on cross from my studio in moscow thats all the time i have and gentlemen i want to thank my guests in london and in athens and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are you see you next time remember. When i was sure seemed wrong. But all roads just dont hold. Any world yet to stamp out hes going to come thats ok and in danger because the trail. Went to find themselves worlds apart. Just of the for common ground. 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