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Car yes Time Magazine is reporting that tucked neatly into the Senate Republicans latest 1. 00 trillion dollar covert 19 response package is a nice 8000000000. 00 into pentagon Weapons Systems built by depends contractors like boeing Lockheed Martin and General Dynamics and what kind of virus and disease fighting weapons will this 8000000000. 00 buy us taxpaying citizens well Time Magazine goes on report that the bill would deposit 2200000000. 00 in pentagon ship building accounts it would boost Missile Defense systems in california and alaska and deliver about 1400000000. 00 for the c 130 transport planes and f. 35 fighters manufactured by the good folks at Lockheed Martin. And as journalists and activists around the us begin to uncover this latest 1000000000. 00 defense contractor gift basket they are being labeled as adversaries by the pentagon politico is now reporting that a new mandatory pentagon Training Course aimed at preventing leaks refers to protestors and journalists as adversaries in a fictional scenario designed to teach Defense Department personnel how to better protect Sensitive Information adversary is the term they use yes those working on the front lines of the 1st amendment to our constitution protesters and journalists are now considered adversaries and pentagon Training Camps but are we really all that shocked i mean after all we are living in a country where roughly a month ago the United States secretary of defense mark as recently as governors to dominate the battle space battle space when describing efforts to contain and disband black lives matter protests. Which is why today well be knee deep in the battle space of the 1st amendment as we take on the military Industrial Complex and their benefactors and start watching the whole. Whats going on a city street you want to. See rises joyce state. Great city displays systemic deceptions the late show which. Brings up the old. Welcome everybody to watching the hawks. And joining us today to discuss the latest domestic military Industrial Complex news is the former Senior Security policy analyst from the office of the sector depends the one and only Michael Malone michael we havent had john in forever thank you for coming on today. My pleasure thanks for having me so michael bottom line is there any real World Military justification for putting billions into the f. 35 an arm spending into a covert 19 recovery bill. Oh absolutely not in fact im shocked that. Even the Senate Republicans would even buy into that simply because. They made a very strong point that they want to strictly for stimulus to put people back to work theres no place for this kind of stimulus package for the military at this point in the stimulus package there the the Congress Passed a 740000000000. 00. Defense budget already and they and they can always add supplements later but keep it divorced from this this just medis the priorities and it really shows that the trump administrations priorities including the Defense Department is very very skewed. And were seeing a lot of our Congress People actually shout out what they think is wasteful spending from the pentagon right now and not presley just hash tag yesterday defund the pentagon domestically what could the pentagon be doing in order to actually help u. S. Citizens and others during this pandemic. Well they can lie low and not put these kinds of things into stimulus packages or for covert number one but number 2 the rhetoric that you pointed out was very very ill advised and very unfortunate as you pointed out we have a 1st amendment and even though theres a opsec op. Policy that has just. Its. They they are looking at the press and in that particular scenario as adversaries and its wrong you know the press is the only profession that is mentioned in the constitution the United States the only one and yet the pentagon is calling a member sorry i think espers asleep asleep at the switch be should be looking this stuff over and he made one error on that the battlefield where where protesters were even called them targets so his his his rhetoric is just inflammatory at best and people need to calm down the military as you point out needs to be helpful they are they have a they have a rental. In terms of trying to assist people at a very critical time maybe delivery for example i vaccines when when that becomes available thats going to be a legitimate outreach for them but in terms of dealing with Peaceful Protesters no thats thats the thats the job of the local governments and the State Governments now the president could invoke the 1807. 00 insurrection act but hes been counseled that thats just overkill and its totally on the search and it is whats happening today is totally unlike what happened in 1968 i was around in 1968 and everything was out of control at that time not not like today you know i want to ask you getting back to what you mentioned about the media in the. Spawns to questions about the use of the term adversaries in reference to journalists and protesters in this training drill pentagon Spokesperson Lieutenant colonel your royal or will and told the media quote attempting to read more into the use of the term obvious scapes the clear purpose of the training to prevent information from falling into unauthorized hands regardless of its potential use you know michael well i think you kind of mentioned this earlier but should the pentagon whether for training purposes or any other kind of purposes be using terms like adversaries when describing journalists and protesters you know at the very least journalism protestors working on their own shores or even you know journalism protesters in general around the world is adversaries a term that we we you know i think theyre kind of saying like well dont its just a term dont play into it dont read into it but what should we. Well its a its a very unfortunate use of the term adversary and as i recall that. Doctrine was meant to be that policy was meant to provide a scenario and calling the press the adversaries it was was it was dead wrong and what i think they were getting at was trying to guard classified information to ensure that its not leaked out to the press and thats that and they got carried away with their rhetoric and the leaking that has occurred. And thats what this the drift of this doctrine was about was to try and prevent leaks but the leak of this document itself was leaked and it was and it was something that was done from the inside and if it was classified then the press has every right and every legitimate right to reproach to report on it and its just its the same issue where the russians were recently accused based upon very raw uncorroborated intelligence of putting bounties on american soldiers in afghanistan and yet even the president had to repudiate that that information and and so did a lot of in the pentagon now the pentagon has got to watch its. Terminology it has to respect the 1st amendment it shouldnt be calling. Peaceful protesters adversaries because they are exercising their constitutional right its only when we have violence and what have you but then the states have a responsibility to take over and i think that. Esper needs to be more mindful of and be and have a little more oversight of what goes out of of the pentagon im just astounded that he hasnt got better control over his own. Department. M. Ichael switching gears just a little bit congresswoman alexandria kasi a court is currently pushing to bar funding for military treatment in u. S. Public schools and on digital streaming platforms like twitch what are your thoughts on reforming the u. S. Militarys recruitment practices. Well they have a legitimate right to go in and recruit on universities for example i mean i was in there o. T. C. When i was at the university and it was fine i think that. At least theyre not bringing back the draft. And i think maybe that might be something with the but. I would say that humorously but at any rate. Shes got her own agenda and she wants the military out of everything she wants and she has she has she wants nothing to do with the military and and if and i have a i have a grandson who just got out of high school and he saw that the military actually provides an opportunity for him and he qualified in every field including Nuclear Engineering and thats where theyre going to put him hes going to have a career in it and hes calm hes capable of it and given the training so i think in some sense it gives people a legitimate. A gateway to better jobs and opportunities to to better themselves and i think that she changes once too i dont personally agree with her on this and i think that the military has a right so the cia goes. And other agencies go out and recruit universities and even in high schools i remember when i was in high school at the State Government come around and give us a pitch so its very legitimate. And as long as its. You know its done to offer them opportunities people opportunities. Why not you got to remember because you know cortez has also told apple to go fly a kite and and they want 25000 jobs up in her district so her her ability to call the right shots is questionable at best. Why you know i think youre lucky i never of the state Department Come to my high school and ask me if i want to join the state department or anything like that so you know i member of the group. I guess so yeah i mean i think you make a good point at the same time i do think that there needs to be some rains put on of at what age the military or the cia or anyone can start kind of going after these kids because they should be of an age that they can make that decision without being unduly influenced whether its through a video game or other such things like that michael i had to i would agree he i think i think in Senior High School is an its is about the right time because kids should be thinking what career path they want to venture into exactly right michael i want to say thank you so much for coming on always a pleasure having you on sir. Thanks for having me and as we go to break my friends remember that you can also star watching the hawks on demand to the brand new portable t. V. App which is available on all platforms remember portable t. V. You can see all these shows and a whole lot more all right next we delve into the workplace horror show that was allegedly the ellen show and then Rachel Blevins r t america correspondent joins us to discuss the latest news on murder and Sexual Misconduct coming out of fort hood if you do not want to miss that conversation stay tuned all through the hole. We go to work so you stay home. And staff and something before the guard. When you see trevor this may want to get thanks in they didnt could say. If you want to overcome that there go straight trans travel restriction 6 on the move this 3 chance then we have to have a go go back see. How can you explain love ive been to 82 countries i did in 12 but i came here and on those 3 days i just filled with hope. And he kept pretty isnt a sick joke. I made my decision ready. I felt. Pretty. Good. My one dream is that all my children busy. Love cold weather. Like everything about it. For me too to allegations of racism sexism and intimidation the lights of hollywood are filled with stories of many of these stories never even get the coverage they deserve despite hollywood being considered a liberal bastion and that brings us to the Ellen Degeneres show the popular daytime Television Show has become the subject of an internal investigation by warner media after numerous accounts of workplace problems emerged the issue that circling the Ellen Degeneres show our new employees have been speaking out for over a decade but just last month and their voices finally gotten heard executives from show producer telepictures and distributor Warner Brothers television sent a memo to stoppers that interviews with current and former staffers about their experiences on the set are under way. In april variety released a scathing article where crew members shouted out their disdain for being fired at the height of the coronavirus pandemic only to be replaced by nonunion workers and cheaper labor in july a report of racism and intimidation made the front page of buzz feed news in it 10 former ellen employees that they were fired after taking medical leave or bereavement to attend family funerals one employee walked off the job after growing weary from consistent inappropriate comments on race all employees featured describe the environment on ellen set as toxic 10 hour plus work days are the norm but with a rotating group of contractors production crews and other staffers the montreux remains this is as good as it gets this is ellen youll never find anything better and considering the competitive dog eat dog nature of hollywood people often take the bait and feel the physically and mentally can no longer handle the abuse former employees want to see ellen held accountable for her positive public brand that just doesnt jive with the behind the scenes experiences of her staffers. But willing to cancel the burdock to still out on that shes a media giant a 32nd National Spot during her show cost a whopping 51570. 00 the show raked in over 35000000 for Warner Brothers each year and more than 50000000. 00 for host Ellen Degeneres movie who are monstrous numbers i dont know if 51000. 00 for one i have you know ive worked in hollywood for a long time before i came into this into this business of doing this show in the News Business and you know prior to the me too movement a lot of the rumors and everything that you say people are abused people not just sexual and sexist and bigoted but you know theyre also physically abuse theyre also you know worked 18 hour days that you know its a its a brutal industry to work yeah and it seems like the reports were there people were speaking out and they were either getting whacked with it so they just lost their job completely blocked from working on other threats or they were ignored completely and giving harsher hours because what ends up happening is and you probably know this well its really easy to find somebody else to sign up a production staff for a major show and yes it is yes i mean the thing in hollywood is always the case of hey theres another bus load theres another training young you know young kids 1821 years old who are ready to sign up and thats both for like people on the camera and off the camera you feel that constant pressure that hey theyll just get someone younger to replace you or theyll just get someone who will put up with the abuse to replace you theres a great great film called swimming with sharks that stars kevin spacey that really documents the abuse that a lot of people both in the office and outside the office in hollywood face which as you pointed out is weird one of the city but thats like a bastion for limit you wouldnt think that working conditions like that would exist in a because a lot of the people who are involved in these things are the same people who will speak out about working conditions outside of hollywood there are people who will lead the campaign. And shout wave signs hashtag tweet mean while ignoring it on their own front door. At the end of the day to lets not forget that you know no one goes to Football Games with war criminals like our former president george w. Bush you know come on now weve talked about on this show whatever happened its like optics clearly you know with all the with all these reports coming out we want to wait and see what happens in the best occasions for is just to get the full depth of what what actually went on on the show but the biggest question is what happens Going Forward what their arguments that its going to be really hard to cancel Ellen Burstyn foremost because the advertisers havent backed up we have seen it year after year these conversations happen and now theyre just now getting a lot of attention but not a single advertiser has backed out of the ellen show and we talked about the whopping cost of having an ad buy during that show its actually the largest ad by cost of any daytime t. V. Period while so theres a lot of money associated with this and her high profile guests havent start stop showing up to the show either so its hard to tell whats going to happen it truly is i think you brought up some great points there but i think that youre going to see i think once this investigation really reaches its zenith and you hear a lot more people you know speaking out you really hear whats going on because theres a certain point like we dont know if ellen was directly responsible for it but the end of the day its her name on the show her pictures on the show whatever happens behind the scenes still ultimately is going to fall on her whether she actively took part in it or you know claim i didnt know it was happening you know which is always kind of the one thing you know if you i didnt know they were being mean to the staff or crew will be ok even to Pay Attention when youre walking to set. And thats the one thing that a lot of these former staffers are arguing that you know the environment is so toxic that anybody who is there can obviously see this happening its not happening in a silo or behind closed doors people are extremely abrasive racially insensitive doing some really bad things talked about them you know laying people off at the height of a pandemic but also firing people whove taken off time for bereavement if a Family Member dies that is. They covered thing like youre not supposed to be let go of your job because you attended a funeral no you absolutely should be and like you said ellen show was not the only show where these kind of things happen to you i think people would be surprised that this is more the norm limit is the exception than the intention to assist with. 3 months after u. S. Army specialist vanessa given was seeing her family and friends came to washington d. C. Today to demand justice for her murderer while they continue to call d for a congressional investigation lawmakers here in congress have introduced the i am the mess again bill which aims at changing the way Sexual Assault is handled in the u. S. Military are to use Rachel Blevins joins us now to discuss rachel thank you for coming on thank you for having me so what can we expect from from this bill when her name what is this broker of a goal of this legislation is to create an independent 3rd party where members of the military can report their Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment because right now these soldiers are expected to report it through the ranks of the military theyre expected to go to their superiors but what they found is that far too many times their abusers are their superiors or they are actually reported and nothing is done about it and thats why this story of vanessa again has really resonated with a lot of people who say theyve been there they were in that place because her family and friends came out after she was murdered and they revealed that she told them that she was being harassed but she was terrified of telling her superiors because she feared retaliation and we have seen support for getting justice for her for this legislation and we saw President Trump meeting with her family today weve seen dozens of lawmakers saying they plan to support this bill but its all going to come down to oversight because even if this legislation is passed even if this 3rd party is created its going to be about making sure that the military actually implements it and that these cases are taken seriously and rachel when it comes to those Sexual Assault cases in the military how rampant. What exactly are the numbers one fortunately weve really seen a rise in these cases in recent years and i want to take a look at the records that were released by the department of defense according to their numbers they say that there were 20500 instances of unwanted sexual contact tax in 28 seen their reports increase 38 percent from 2016 to 20 teen and that one out of every 16 military women reported being assaulted in that year and we also have to remember those are just the people who actually reported it because we have far too many cases of women and men who are terrified of reporting it and speaking out so the numbers are likely much larger. Number 20000 is a ridiculous luling is that we do have to think about the it might be double that of the people who just dont report because they know that like you said earlier either nothings going to happen or theyre reporting directly to somebody who may have been the person who sees them in the 1st place i have to ask whats next. In the future of fort hood because this isnt the only scandal involving murder and things like that that have hit fort hood now in the last year for a while now her family is calling for a congressional investigation into her death because so far weve learned that she was mordor murdered at the Fort Hood Army military base and not only was she murdered there but then her body was taken away from there by a fellow soldier so theres a lot of questions surrounding how that happened how that was able to be carried out and why we havent gotten more answers so far and you know when we talk about fort hood im fortunately thats actually not the only deaths that weve seen there in recent months we saw vanessa again and her reported mean suspect in her just who reportedly took his own life but weve also seen a number of other deaths that have suspicious circumstances i want to take a look at some of those soldiers now they include may harm or who was found july 17th at the base near in a nearby dam his cause of death was reportedly drowning and now being investigated gregorys. Alice was found you 19th and a nearby field 10 months after he went missing his cause of death has not been released but Police Confirm foul play is suspected Brandon Scott rosencrantz was found may 18th his cause of death was a gunshot wound and it is being investigated as murder right even ingo dela cruz jr was found march 14th his cause of death was a gunshot wound and as it was part of a triple homicide rate there for wayne sawyer was about arson bit of a cause of death has not been released but foul play has not been ruled out and then finally Shelby Tyler Jones was found on march 1st and he was killed by a gunshot wisco a number of questions there definitely a number of questions there rachel thank you so much for breaking all that down for us always a pleasure having you on thank you very much thank you all righty everybody that is our show for you today remember everyone in this world we are not told were not so i tell you all i love you i you know i robot and im really surprised keep on watching all those hawks out there and have a great day and night everybody. 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To go to you then go to mock you then they will join you. Welcome to our viewers from around the world live from Central London this is r. T. U. K. The u. K. Prime minister postponed is the further lifting of law down restrictions as it emerges the infection rate is rising. For me while the u. K. Government changes restrictions overnight for much of Northern England with separate households banned from meeting in private homes and gardens. The World Health Organization warns the coronavirus pandemic could be one big wave rather than seasonal returns of the virus all be joined by a w. H. O. Spokes person. Further to get the power to ask those working from home to return to the office even the most vulnerable have been shielding well hear from a psychology expert. And activists call for the u. K. Government to allow Asylum Seekers to work claiming it can raise 100000000 pounds in tax we hear from a human rights lawyer. The u. K. Government has rolled back on a planned easing of lockdown restrictions amid a steady rise in new Coronavirus Infections that as large portions of Northern England woke up to stricter measures which came into force overnight without much warning well for more on this and im joined by our 2 u. K. Shut it was dashed are the sharia so england was supposed to ease restrictions wasnt further on saturday but its not the case anymore is that absolutely we were indeed hoping to enter the next phase of easing the lockdown measures tomorrow about Boris Johnson thought he had simply no other choice but to delay it by up to 2 weeks so that includes indoor activities like Bowling Alley ways casinos and wedding receptions all of which will not be able to free own. At least for another 2 weeks now as always is policy making and government decisions has always been guided by the science and medical professionals and Boris Johnson is saying at this point in time the data is still implying were not out the words just yet with those numbers creeping up our assessment is that we should now squeeze that brake pedal squeeze that brake pedal in order to keep the virus under control on saturday the 1st of august you remember we had hoped to reopen in england a number of the high a risk city that had remained closed and today im afraid were spinning those changes for at least a fortnight the idea that we can open up everything and keep the virus under control is clearly wrong and what were seeing as is that we are at the outer edge of what we can do and therefore choices we need to be made. Well Face Coverings will also be made mandatory and other indoor spaces like cinemas Art Galleries museums and places of worship all of which will be enforceable by law on top of this ours johnson is now supporting further localized a lockdown scenario is particularly in Northern England you again to arise in cases now about how cock the Health Secretary he said that the key contributor to all of this is mixing households and not social distancing. We brought them in to target specifically the problems that weve been able to see through the data because we want to keep it control of the spread of this virus we want to do that with a minimal impact on peoples lives i predict these decisions do have Significant Impact on peoples lives but we want to do the minimum and the evidence shows the. Biggest risk in terms of the spread of this virus cross this area is how soul transmission when people are going to see job it in there is. In each of these homes when theyre not generic so together. Well the measures announced late last night affect 4000000 People Living in the Greater Manchester is lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire areas people in these areas are not able to meet up with other households in their homes or gardens the measures also apply them to restaurants and outside tables but individual households can go to places like pubs cafes and restaurants but of course its sparked criticism yet again on this haphazard approach to social distancing the chaotic way in which lock downs are imposed in an almost whack a mole style across the United Kingdom the issue of policing of course is up there and also the issue of timing in all of this of course late last night for instance and imposes measures giving the local authorities just a few hours to prepare of course in the Northern Region a Huge Population for the b m e Community Today does mark the mist and celebration of a huge impact there were households would normally be mixing to celebrate but Boris Johnson has always maintained he would reverse and you turn on any decisions to ease the local lock down measures if and when the data brady required them to do so if the data said act he said the government would also act so quite a different tone he is now striking from what weve previously heard from Boris Johnson the Prime Minister when he 1st said no military by christmas. Shadier thank you very much andy well bush johnson has also been trying a new catchphrase to help people to social distance though it seems to lack a little punch hands face space hands face space plus get a test the hands face space get a test its hands face space. And get a test if you have or if you have symptoms. Well the World Health Organization has warned the coronavirus pandemic could be one big wave rather than 1st and 2nd waves of infection thats as the w h os chief warns that young people are not invincible and need to be convinced of the real risk to health if you dont so just of the spikes of cases in some countries are being driven in part by younger people letting down their guard during the Northern Hemisphere summer we have said it before and we will say that again. Young people are remote. And im now joined by a w. H. O. Spokes person thats dr Margaret Harris dr harris thank you very much for joining us well one big wave does that mean that the virus comes once and then goes away no it does not all what we mean is that the transmission is still there so the concern was that people saw you know lockdowns over that it was somehow it go away they they had this idea that it might come back later in the year but they had this seemed to be this fixed idea that now is some time to ponty and unfortunately thats not the case what youve got transmission anywhere is potentially everywhere and on fortunately its making this very clear doing its utmost to ruin everybodys fun well the u. K. Prime minister as weve been hearing has paused more easing of the lockdown in the u. K. But if its one big wave what we delaying the inevitable. You know you know what we mean by one big wave is that it continues to remain but you need to bring it down you need to bring it down so that those who are get most ill and you will have that percentage of people who get most ill can get the treatment they need immediately in your hospitals are not overwhelmed and your hospitals can do the other things they need to be doing to save the lives of those people who get lots of other illnesses i know weve seen some studies in the u. K. That have suggested people have died of a lot of other things that would normally be treated because the hospitals were so overwhelmed by people with severe coated well late on thursday night as weve been hearing the u. K. Impose tougher rules on the north do you know if these localized approaches actually work yes indeed they do and in fact its a positive thing to see very very localized very targeted approaches because that means you know we have viruses in other words just as my director my my director emergencies my growth and said you know what your spot fires are when you have what hugh. Its much much more difficult to bring it down and thats why you end up with a whole National Lockdown but if you just got the spot you can really work out where your transmission is and you can break though that transmission and if you have to do it with lock downs because youre not managing to get people to stay they keep their distance to not touch their mouth nose and honest to maintain that obsession with environmental hygiene and high and again well thats what you have to do its been suggested that these local measures are targeting those groups celebrating eat i mean is targeting certain communities the way to go or could it make them feel victimized. I would not say that you would be targeting particular groups and by the way to everybody watching. Him know if you target the epidemiology and im sure thats whats going on weve actually seeing more of that its younger age groups going out and have doing what young people normally do it during a lovely summer. And were seeing this around the world by the way its not simply in europe weve done an analysis of the days here in the caseload has really shifted into the younger age groups or would it help them to isolate areas as narrowly as possible such as by street or even by household to ensure that the wider record to me doesnt collapse so if youve got your track trace tracking tracing testing in place and youve got become so good and so targeted that you can do that thats ideal where young people they have been warned as we heard that theyre not invincible but its also true that the risk of death amongst the young is actually much lower isnt it well again thats not clear and the numbers indicate that fewer young people die from this but they dont indicate which young people so in other words youre playing russian roulette so again i have a young daughter i did not want her to get coded because i dont know even though shes got absolutely no underlying illness i dont know whether she will be the one that gets a severe form and. Is even if she recovers may end up with Heart Disease with Chronic Fatigue with perhaps brain changes in other words her whole life has changed shes lost all her future theres also the wonder and long term implications as youre saying also as well the u. K. Government is extending the use of face moms but the dutch government they all want to vising or advising against wearing them because it says that the science isnt there where does the w. H. O. Stand on this so we say if you cannot socially distance especially if youre in a crowded place with pull the intonation so thats where you dont have the fresh air in dispersing the droplets and the aerosols we say that a Face Covering is a means of preventing the source of the droplets set to you from going into the air and potentially infecting other people and meanwhile the u. K. Is also pressing ahead with back to work i mean is it fair to let companies force work. Again this has to be a negotiation and again we would emphasize that the Companies Must insure that they have put in place but the safe provision so in every workspace it must be possible for people to socially distance they need to look at their ventilation can they ensure that the the internal ventilation is appropriate people can open a window if possible if youre using your conditioning are using have you cleaned the filters how are you providing the right kind of air conditioning there is a lot every Business Needs to do to ensure the safety of their workers thats what i think dr harris would have been more advisable to lift the lockdown in the u. K. Entirely and just shield the most vulnerable. Thats. Its difficult to say any community certainly shielding the most vulnerable is a very important technique but its not the only tactic lockdowns of things taken on advice of the epidemiologists in the local Community Working out but it should always bunch be done very much in partnership with the community ensuring that the community understands why this is happening and what how long it will last and what the reasons for it are finally done to her shielding in the u. K. Still being lifted from some today surely then that does put the most vulnerable at risk. Again im sure that theres those who are really vulnerable are being given the right advice of be given the right information and should on and should know how to protect themselves and what they can do if theyre not confident that that its safe for them to go out they should be able to be again their own best risk manager or manager and they should be empowered to be that nobody should a blind people to do something that they dont feel is safe to modernize thank you very much indeed for joining us its a pleasure. And still to come after the break. Firms get the power to tell workers to return to the office even if its possible to work from home well hear from a psychology expert. And a Council Launches its own testing tray system out of frustrations with the government approach as Northern Ireland becomes the 1st whole nation to find any knowledge i tracing out. Its definitely something to talk a guy to small like surely its all going to be i want you to travel less may want to get vaccinated and protected. If you want to overcome the global restrictions travel restrictions 6 anime descriptions then we have to have a go over that scene. Welcome back the u. K. Government is pressing ahead with changes to workplaces from saturday these allow firms to have to squash in on bringing back stuff youve been working from home june 5th 19 demick previously the advice is for everyone to work from home if they can. From the 1st of august we would update our advice on going to work. Instead of government telling people to work from home were going to give employers more discretion and ask them to make decisions about how their staff can work safely that could mean of course continuing to work from home which is one way of working safely and which has worked for Many Employers and employees or it could mean making workplaces safe by following qubit secure guidelines. Well the changes mean even those who could do their work from home can be asked to return to their offices such a situation will be up to the discretion of the employer the changes also mean that 2200000 of the most Vulnerable People who have been shielding since the onset of the pandemic could also be asked to return we still at a time when distancing measures are important and all of the various distancing measures working from home for Many Companies remains a perfectly good option because its easy to do i think a number of Companies Think its actually not that many of the productivity and in that situation ive seen no reason i can see to change in. A more on the Mental Health implications of returning to work im now joined by professor of psychology peter ace and peter thank you for talking to us and we do need the economy open dont we its important that we get our stuff back. Well thats obvious d we come for ever just sits at home even when people are working at home and we know the economy isnt working strongly enough and day there are lots of people who are. Unemployed because of that because of the lockdown arrangement so we did definitely do need you know some transition towards normality yes but did mosques on public transport and secure workplaces help to convince people that its actually safe to go back well its a very complicated. Landscape for information particularly since last night. We now have a change in arrangements nationally as well as locally so theres been a perspective months of some of the relaxation measures some businesses that were going to open from august 1st will not be allowed to do so. The pilot sporting events where limited numbers of people were going to be invited to attend and not going to take place with spectators and all of that at the same time when people are being told that you know as from august of this they should be going back to work and they are indeed their employers can require them to do so so its a very complicated business i mean you cant just use a single dimension of risk in order to understand why the regulations are as they are shouldnt firms that have some discretion i mean many people can work at home but perhaps bosses feel that simply isnt quite as productive. I think the only way to do this properly is indeed to allow discretion to be implemented of course that has to be done properly you cant just simply allow employers to do whatever they want to win 8 expediently without regard to their health and indeed the broad welfare of their employees. But the way its being introduced at the moment i mean a sort of late night tweet last night about the local arrangements in the north of england doesnt foster a sense under control which is what people i think need in order to feel that the arrangements being made for them to return to work are indeed coded secure as the phrase goes on the shielding as we now its coming to an end on saturday i mean surely that most firms will actually take a generous view on this what you would hope so you would hope that you know theyll be you know sympathetic understanding that unless were going to hear about you know or could cases which isnt to say that we should judge the the whole process on that basis but well have to wait and see how effectively its implemented i think i can understand why and why the general public might have some concerns because simply because its very complicated and what we learned from the the lockdown is that when people understand the reasons for being told to do certain things they are very keen to comply but to soon as it becomes unclear why things have to be as they are all indeed people perceive injustice or inconsistency at least in the arrangements you start to get disengagement and of course thats a problem we need to keep the environment secure to keep the virus under control and also psychologically that a balance needs to be struck doesnt have any people do have the right to stay at home with us but buses also have the right not to pay them that they. Well theres also other factors now i mean it will affect different people in different ways but you know ive been reading lots about people who saved a fortune in their commuting costs and indeed you know the psychology of commuting his is not only interesting like it has Significant Impacts on peoples wellbeing people with longer commutes a less happy than people with shorter commute so the fact that nobodys been very few people have been commuting will have been a positive boost to many people of course thats not going to be the whole story for everybody i wouldnt want to generalize that as a consistent thing but many people will not be the team to come back to work because theyve learned to adapt so the benefits of working at home day professor peter to many things fearful. Now one English Council has developed as i uncovered 900 tracing systems amid growing frustrations with a centralized approach the director of Public Health in sound well named Birmingham Lisa mcnally said they were taking a more proactive approach i wouldnt go quite so far as to say weve given up on test and chase but were not happy with just allowing them to do their job anymore i just dont see the urgency to fix this i really dont see them running around in a panic as soon as the new case comes in now were not waiting to test and trace to fail to reach them were phoning them the same day well the test and trace system which has cost taxpayers over 10000000000. 00 pounds has been hit with numerous issues since its launch its been criticised for not reaching enough close contacts of those with the virus which in some areas is just 52 percent the app trials on the isle of wight inmate was scrapped after it emerged that it didnt work on i phones and that project was also hit with privacy concerns about the creation of a centralized database unlike other models where data is stored on individual devices the latest app is still to make an appearance. Well it comes as Northern Ireland launches its own track and trace out ahead of the rest of the u. K. When an infected person gets a positive test they issued a code well this code is then inserted into the app triggering a bluetooth to other phones that have been in close contact the app also works across the whole line and thanks to an agreement where both jurisdiction share data of infected patients. Will stay with us r t u k where in the next hour ill be discussing the system with a technology expert. Now report claims that allowing Asylum Seekers to work would raise around 100000000. 00 pounds for the treasury the Research Suggests if people have the right to work 6 months after making a claim it would lead to increased income tax and National Insurance contributions the government would also save money on support payments currently people can apply for the right to work 12 months after their initial claim but are limited to the shortage occupation list which includes skilled professions human rights lawyer schwab and can says this move would also help people to integrate into society. Portland united i dont think its particularly surprising that something that we did no one should have known obviously theres exact figures and here is the latest research so thats a new thing that we have the exact figures now but not hanging theres nothing surprising when new news about it until i mean obviously you know these are going to think persecution to come to this country trying to resettle trying to and obviously something the government is particularly keen on and i dont remember its Asylum Seekers other people are criticized for is not integrating you to the do community not integrating into this country and so obviously not allowing them to work much and im going to develop work relationships not and im going to progress a careers how jobs go out to meet people is obviously a huge obstacle and that are so obvious that im going to work or not already provide financial benefits to their economic benefits to the country but also help them to get to know their country this country their culture i would also going to get asians how to go about workplace now often as a sign case is and can take months many years sometimes and to be resolved and so that has been you know for so long sometimes destitute almost homeless and us trying to scramble to live and then many years later suddenly they left without that support but. That it is either not able to work out and theres huge problems there so obviously if we just allow them to work and within a few weeks within a few months of the congress i know at least there will be that continuing to manual not only settle their lives but be beneficial to the country as well well i want his spokesperson said the government is reviewing its policy on restricting Asylum Seekers rights to work people currently seeking asylum are only allowed to work if theyve been waiting for a decision for more than 12 months and only if they not responsible for the delay in Decision Making them come also said that officially giving Asylum Seekers permission to work would prevent them from disappearing. And i was out for instance and the signs dont crites is less than 6 hours a day so someone has to rid of the house children as medical needs any other needs and you know i mean obviously 6 days nothing to survive on so many of them then might try to look over. Cash and no other understood what without permission and so on thats the exploited us they dont pay and thats why it is the system he said there is actually how to you know that there are only companies here or there working you know from the jump into the when. Theyre paying taxes its much less now. And finally scotlands 1st minister Nicola Sturgeon has been named the worlds 5th most eloquent politician new zealands just under arden tops the rankings but the scottish leader was praised for being clear calm and compassionate the team compiled their rankings after analysing over 100 hours of footage from public addresses majoring 2020 but the group criticize Prime Minister Boris Johnson for what they called a tendency to deliver confusing messages in the form of washer ring a kind of waffling. Yes Face Coverings i think people should be wearing in shops but in terms of how we. 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