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American authorities you have it says crowell of unity for misconduct we have it in the police for decades this is not new its a new black event only happened in the military no accountability for a war crime we see even the aggressive stance of the truck that new stray shoe and also other loose traces the court to force the International Court of. Criminal court but you also shouldnt unity for torture by the cia agents a little progress. Report has confirmed a systematic. And systematic policy of torture what i want to say that this is you cannot expect one part of the authorities to behave correctly while only punitively for various reasons crimes for other purposes your fortys you see you and other rapporteurs or find this left. And you use the phrase modern day racial terror lynchings they were going through the heads of un special rapporteur as in your colleagues as human rights acts worth when you write words like that what do you think the United States is going to do when it hears that your calling the United States of place of modern day racial terror lynching. Well you see were not trying to hunt the. Headlines here were just trying to reflect in your statements what we see and what we are serving and we are really where are the opinion that the u. S. Authorities have no sense of reality about how loudly yes we do have a Structural Design a grocer in the us and we do have structural and systemic problems of Police Violence and really do have structural d and systemic in shooty and we did happen at all really in that period of racial barrier and i think that referring back to that period is not trying to you know finger point is simply to say these troubles that the origin in that period has not been properly addressed it was all in the United States but weighed by the u. S. Ambassador johnson to london on the program obviously federal Law Enforcement alone faith enforcement will deny what you just said there i mean when you saw the video of george wards murder i dont know maybe even Richard Brooks the bin subsequent videos do they tantamount to torture never learn death murder that without a doubt clearly what we see in the drawer for a cooler amounts to torture you have a person who absolutely defenseless howlers a lot of violence hes absolutely in the power of the custody of your full release and theres no need whatsoever to use the methods they had to use and it was predictable for everyone. To see then and everyone watching the video a person is going to die if the Police Officer doesnt release our travel and still we can see also the facial expression of an officer if hes not aware of all of the run fullness of what hes doing and as a probable well that case continues of course said george lloyds funeral joe biden the president ial contender spoke at a so you would you be ok with his view that the Law Enforcement should shoot at the leg instead of the heart. Well i think Law Enforcement susan should at all if possible because anyone whos father to school knows that you can miss your courage by half a meter in you know a fraction of a 2nd just you know with a Little Movement of your hand and i think ive done a whole report for the u. N. General assembly on police use of force and how it can amount to torture and treatment and over the years very very important that we reduce kind of tendency to want to resolve everything through miles but i do want to get on to refugees but i have to say President Trump has been keen to emphasize law and order the same principles that you say that you are polled youre welcome as Police Reform is banning chokeholds and thats offered as a threat and a National Registry for officers using Excessive Force and special Mental Health provisions. Well certainly thats a step in the right direction i do think that you have to go much much further than that because as you say this structural cultural suspended problem has been there for decades law and order starts with. Respecting law and order which means that you hold themselves accountable and live up to the standards that they ask for a population of to follow and thats does not work with unity it does not work in secrecy and it does not work with norman come to the uk of course when he was signing that executive order this week he almost similar tenuously he was signing an executive order blocking us property and assets of any hague official investigating us troops what did you make of that surely just an exercise in exercising National Sovereignty on the part of the white house. What you see the United States were was pushing for a nerd trial 75 years ago and germans hadnt signed a treaty in a subject in themselves to the surface 30 action of the trying to nibble a lot of the japanese you know of was fairly subjective terms of others the issue of the tokyo trial that is to say that these trials were not legitimate they were and are necessary but the United States are asking you not conducting military operations and by the nations have occur as they do in every war also known as afghanistan is a country where the i. C. C. Statue the appliance if the u. S. Wants to use force in that that country it does subject itself to the jurisdiction of that court and therefore there is no discussion obviously guy says he doesnt have jurisdiction and if the us committed there or dissolved or stood there are subject to doctors ditch well but theyll often be thing subject to any new decision by the United States as regards the appropriation of assets. And property secretary of state on power calls it a Kangaroo Court and of course john bolton drums former National Security advisor. He said that by all means appropriate some people saying that he even suggested the invasion of holland will this mean the end of the i. C. C. Well i think this year 2 who will walk and that is how we should be looking at you know the questioning the legitimacy of course has been the last trip to try to a day to come to the early ninetys questions the legitimacy of the number of trials and milosevic the question the legitimacy of the i. C. C. Why. Sometimes the same question to the to do as you know after iraq tribunals and so you know thats a standard thats a standard reaction are a state where individuals that color to be held accountable by the court i think you have authority here that means they then nothing and like the nazis whatsoever tell me on u. N. Refugee day what youve been working on as regards torture and refugees youve said that there are those seeking asylum it can amount to torture the inability of refugees to think asylum because there are tough regulations here in britain for people seeing as i am. Well obviously that is also a global problem no you know we have a european context of the mediterranean contest libya you have the latin american mexican u. S. Contacts you have the australian these observer contacts but by and large the tendencies are saying that the destination countries are adopting policies of deterrence to try to scare Asylum Seekers away and make them return to that insisting on or right that they have under human rights or to apply for asylum and the methods are used for that panty battle pushbacks it can be ill treatment can be abused at the border corruption but it can also be indefinite out of tree detention in my Precious Center and i think jeff today where so many millions and millions of people are locked in their homes and complain about the lockdown measures which can be very hard we should remember better. Goods and millions of people out there dont even have a hole that you could lock them into so there is a lot to into these refugee camps and are exposed to cohabit to buy animals to corruption and arent terrorists and i think it is really high time that we remember these are our brothers and sisters and we need to protect them. As i mentioned the scale is obviously staggering i should mention julian a founder you meet on the program talked about before what do you make of a president ial contender joe biden calling him a high tech terrorist if youve been defending itek terrorist well it is symptomatic for a country and not a you know blue crossers a new hershel trial a legal proceeding to do to innocent patients to the center weve just been discussing all out today and the United States refuses to acknowledge that akram to belittle their own the fishbowls for their own misconduct is the prerequisites of democracy and the rule of law and anyone who exposes misconduct is not a terrorist and it giuditta such as never threatened anyone here has never committed a Violent Crime hes never threatens to commit when hes exposed by trial and hes exposed because of terror and so i think we should be grateful that we know about these things and the states should be grateful that senator whole those people to account that have broken the law well as i said its 8 years since he got political asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy in london and ultimately what in your book distinguishes democracy then from authoritarianism. Well if her secretary of state pump ale say that. The United States obviously you know as a democracy because journalists are allowed to question the government directly in a press conference but will line response would be well the distinction between a fair terrorism and the law chris you really does not believe you can question the government but whether the government can actually response to these questions whether it provides transparency what we see in the u. S. Government today that keep everything a secret from military operations to even now the hands rescue package of 500000000000. 00 for the companies for coal this crisis and journalists asked for transparency well which Company Received how much money and the government says its confidential and so theyre keeping everything secret now even have President Trump say that everything he says is classified as finally and briefly as a special robert and his global protest during a pandemic continue at all around the world whats your advice to anyone watching who feel that they are being threatened with torture arbitrary detention because theyve been protesting in the wake of the george white matter. The freedom of Association Freedom of expression is an essential human right people should go out and protest because theres plenty of things to cross a protest about obviously these protests should remain peaceful or should remain nonviolent because being allowed in a protest only gives a cheap excuse to local refuse to respond with violence here and pressure over time thank you. After the break as the worlds 2 largest armies come face to face on a disputed himalayan border well ask one of Deng Xiaopings of all the translators whether china will protect its interests in the face of a potential 3rd world war. Coming up but you are going underground. The world is driven by. We here. Welcome back u. S. President but his Team Reportedly made desperate attempts to suppress the publication of the memoir by his former National Security adviser john bolton when leaked revelations from the book that was general for next week suggested trump did not know britain had Nuclear Weapons another alleged trump asked chinese president xi jinping to help him win the members u. S. General election this fall and trade negotiations and fighting between the worlds biggest enemies on the india china border joining me now from beijing is a former translator for the architect of modern china Deng Xiaoping Professor John way way is director of the China Institute and Fudan University and joins me now thank you so much for joining us before i even get to those geopolitical issues weve had maybe excess deaths of 60000. Plus tell me about this reported 2nd spike at the scene for the Seafood Market supplying what 90 percent of beijings fruit and vegetables well d its a case which we pee there are serious attention. I hope it will d be manageable our. Goal we have already traced all the contacts so 100000 something and. d look at the. Pace its also dropping its only 2120 likely. Welcome. Our core we have. Enough experience to do this i should just ask you about Contact Tracing because we have way more cases than that and we are ending our lock down now you have a complete lockdown. How do you view how do you view how or how coronaviruses affected britain where weve had maybe maybe more than 60000 excess deaths to be honest i think the u. K. And the western countries should learn a bit wrong china and we take this deadly serious with thing its a matter of life and theirs and peoples lives come 1st not business interests so with this in mind we try to trace every case and thats the chinese kirans which include the work very well both within china in the country well obviously the news here is less actually about any advice china might have on coronavirus the reporting here is europe war with india 20 indian soldiers killed in the himalayan gul one valley by the Peoples Liberation army how would you know about the clash of this clash of Nuclear Powers earth through from the information i can collect its up to now stew a kind office to fistfight is not. d gun shooting not killing by guns obviously both sides want to control the damage on the hope its about peaceful solution to this dispute and personally i think maybe had to do with indias domestic reason perhaps i dont know it has to do with the i guess corbett 19 deaths are not well because no one has all of sudden all the border skirmishes with china. And yes. I dont look to divert peoples attention for why other dont think in the try to launch a war but definitely this particular incident occurred within the chinese line of control says that indias troops and indochina well we hope to be speaking to the indian a commission thats not at all how the defense minister put it he said the nation will never forget their bravery and sacrifice of the dead soldiers and the environment and superstar said this was an attempt by the chinese side to unilaterally change the status quo d so what certain about is. Really this particular incident has occurred wheezing the control of the chinese side eventually perhaps the set right now that were. Always this a provocation on indian side so far read the talk by 2 foreign ministers. Both talk about peaceful solution to this dispute this is a good sign well the Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman jolly john did say it was a provocation from indias side can you putting your geopolitical hat on as a keen observer of these things can you see how nature nations might. Courage or certainly could be accused of being pleased by a fight between superpowers of the future like india and china india apparently using u. S. Intelligence to claim that 35. 00 peer lay troops were casualties in this clash apparently you know there it has been out in the pacific all of us ok if i the United States but from my knowledge india is also very quare ships on this indochina in the pacific and. India is no longer choose between china states and of course china and india who are just a treaty. And i dont think luke perry india think india can fight a war and win the both sides will reach a peaceful settlement of course the border disputes between the 2 countries have been going on for decades it will not be resolved easily yeah but this is the 1st time for what 50 years that weve seen this many deaths on the border this comes after another Nuclear Nation pakistans Government Allied to china saying that india is provoking a confrontation over kashmir which of course also involves the peoples republic of china position our kashmir is very clear. We hope there will be peaceful solution to the disputes which dispute between india china india and pakistan and d so we have long believed in the ultimately India Pakistan and china should develop a normal economic although in your friend i was there. d for 2 weeks last year where the discussions with the in the sink tanks i think you know the message is very clear d its in the inches up most china in the. To me relations are there for him to travel up this in no. Pacific. I still sink mainly its all the best political concerns that india provoke this. Smore limited skirmish is all useful though for mike pompei o meeting with his with young jets he in hawaii when he talks about trade with china given this given this narrative the china is isolated let her read the news report grey free its obvious in 2 sides. Only. Hong kong. And change are all side state differences openly candidly earth you know but on the other hand both said tried to implement the consensus and surely it could side to side to have some kind of cooperation in fighting the cob in 1000 and not a lecture the big story the nationally arguably has been a book by Donald Trumps former National Security advisor john bolton i mean theres been many reports that hes donald trump is fighting his own military Industrial Complex what do you make of these supposed revelations denied by trump that he asked for xi jinping is help in winning the members u. S. Election read interesting passage about this conversation the. Apparent trouble so that should help. Beings which is what. I have been seeing reaction from our new trial here you mention the fight their own in 1000 pentagon officials quoted in us me. Youre warning of chinese Economic Warfare exploiting coronavirus exploiting supplies of bio warfare Protection Equipment here in britain the British Government is talking about china somehow having to pay for coronavirus there in recent weeks. All walk a do. In china was not. Active in International Politics or less active they would say china was my. When china big thing slightly more at you it became a nice you not assertion more certain so we just do whatever we think its necessary at this moral. All balkan sense except the United States we should have. Really International Community acting in a unified the way the. Enemy cob in 98 a child that its best to help here in britain a game that the foreign minister here dominic grab Boris Johnsons 1st minister attacking h. S. B. C. For backing the Hong Kong Government the only thing that perhaps can take the George Floyd Protests of the news here is the rioting in hong kong what do you make of britain trying to offer passports to chinese citizens in hong kong. No this is a very silly decision i dont think that ask for well be very attractive to many. In the 1st place its essentially a travel document not a work permit i remember when ansel being went to United States what 1st train line. With jimmy carter and us president the us president and us. Immigration those are we are so how many millions of people you want. Well i mean the massive the here chinas ambassador here was pretty forthright. Do you think this is this is dominic grab doing us dirty work because the ambassador here said to the British Government dont do this dirty work dirty job for someone else when britain sent the royal navy sent its h. M. S. Elizabeth their craft carrier to the Spratly Islands the british should remember should know by this year a. Nation of. Over. History has already turned the corner so when china decided to push forward with this issue of National Security law its a done deal we know where the guy states are pretty tried to intervene or not no way of course every experience almost a year when your chaos and economy suffered badly almost destroyed so now this kind of chaos prolong the chaos many people came to their senses you mention colonialism in fairness to britain statues of slave traders are coming down do you think the chinese would like statues in britain of people who peddle drugs to china killing so many Chinese People when britain was a while. One of the big drug dealing nations of the world would want those statues of those peddlers to come. Now indeed in the 1st place this kind of demonstrations this black lives madam womb and you really either use a kind of deep rooted grievance. Obviously race isnt ingrained in the British Economic political and social life i think its understandable people have really bad feelings about this cover symbols reminds people of the ugly history of cloner isnt chinas have a shop a member of the art so tomi. And as if were still clooney. 8 of those in congo no way reservation where were here. Thank you thats it for the show will be back on monday to further investigate the source of coronaviruses big farms big flew with a rope wallace and tell them what you have joined on the ground and youve thought about instagram tritter and facebook. Geysers financial survival until they say money the ballot for. The clergy to be easy this is a central plank support diagram is under cover right now its a stop to. In the troubled 19 seventies a group of killers rampage through parts of Northern Ireland that was coordinated loyalist attacks protect the population tens of thousands were forced to flee their homes come up with strike and put these attacks was a p. R. You see the Police Actually took part in the attacks so instead of preventing it they were active participants in the burning of coal streets in belfast at the time more than a 100 innocent civilians women. As there are you can seniors and we found out more i was surprised about the extent and its occurrence which the collusion was involved in some of those cases that killers would lead to be named. And i think it went to the very very top i think it deforms. The water where all the tastes and you know on the go ahead. You cant argue with nature and its nature that i strongly approve this message and some people will. Normally in war im going to have to adjust. And conduct to take into account this new vitally important aspect of our life the need to insist with cold at night i think that some changes you know the answer to that direction are going to happen out of our song interest or species we can assume boy were going to change. Something after the 20th of june in the headlines underlining the meaning of freedom in this years u. S. Holiday to mark the end of slavery in the United States sees master notes across the country. Donald trump meantime plows ahead with his 1st Campaign Rally since the start of a pandemic despite a legal challenge over the risks of contagion he says its double standards though in the wake of those race protests. Zille becomes the 2nd country just a past 1000000 known Coronavirus Infections with public swelling over the governments handling of the break particularly among the hard hit poor and indigenous populations. 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