Millions of lives and could have saved tens of thousands in europe all those or more coming up in todays going underground but 1st we have going underground value our audience would like to make some clarifications based on feedback we received regarding last wednesdays programme in that show i referred to britain having the west coronavirus death rate per capita in the world this statement is based on the apparently a rolling 7 day average figure which puts the u. K. Ahead of even the United States in that same interview guest former Government Health minister and rena currie also stated we are blacker than the rest of europe in reference to why the u. K. Has a highest per capita coronavirus death rate in the world we contacted there about it and she clarified that she was referring to evidence that appears to show black and minority ethnic people were more susceptible to go in 1000 than white people you can find more information about both of those verifications on our website and you tube channel but one irony our guest identifies in his new book is that britain was once the envy of the world when it. Came to having epidemics Contact Tracing was pioneered against cholera in londons soho area and so what can we learn from past pandemics how they transform the world professor Frank Snowdon author of epidemics and society from the black death to the present joins me now via skype from rome initially frank welcome to going underground before we get to the book which i think is being read by more and more people than maybe you even expected tell me about how you contract it coded in rome and why youve dedicated your life way before coronavirus to the study of pandemics and epidemics yes one devoted so many years to the pandemic diseases because it seems to me there are a wonderful way for understanding how societies function and put together their values the relationships between people their Economic Systems that is to say i think that there are sort of like a Looking Glass in which society can see itself plus our ive become increasingly aware that epidemic diseases have really substantially transformed societies and are part of the major picture of how societies have absorbed and have a decisive impact in that so theyre also extremely important as were learning now with coke at 19 i was living in rome the virus broke out and i called that fortunately i had a very moral case now because arguably here is now a epicenter here in london to just say that it wouldnt surprise you that pandemics linked to capitalism and its destruction of forests say you talk in the book of the laws of the marketplace negative externalities at the end of the book actually yes indeed what youre saying i think is what i dont understand whats happening. That is to say we have a model of industrial growth that is rapaciousness and pays no attention to extra knowledge as you say as we progress of leader story animal but were bringing animals and human beings into contact with each other and ways that never happened or sometime happened in the past that is now with increasing frequency and its not surprising then that we have. Ever greater number of spillover events in which diseases that is viruses in particular are transferred minted crossed the species barrier between out of wild animals and human beings and anyone reading your book would also not be surprised by the fact that today governments say in nato countries are saying that the economic pandemic is it will kill more than the coronavirus pandemic just tell me how in your book you show epidemics completely transform countries from the haitian revolution to the aging 12 french invasion of russia the Louisiana Purchase the creative the modern United States as we know it we should expect political transformation from epidemics we should absolutely this goes back to the very earliest of adamic pandemic diseases one can even go back to the playground thems everything about things was transformed 1st geo politically athens army is devastated and athens loses the war to sparta and sparta then becomes the hedge of monett power rather than ottens within the classical war and we also hear from 2 cities that democracy is destroyed we hear that out and something that sounds very familiar had long been a welcoming place for immigrants known as. Medics are but during the results of this pandemic the we see a surge of xenophobia and the great democratic leader paraplegia darrens of the disease i should say that anyone churning in actually greece has performed very well come comparably than coronavirus terms but you mention para clear as supposedly the u. K. Prime minister barak johnsons hero does it make you smile when you hear the especially warlike rhetoric about coronavirus employed by Bharath Johnson and donald trump of course now as the us in circles china with bases do you see parallels there as of the rhetoric really ramps up now about china being responsible as it were for the coronavirus pandemic do suit parallels in the scapegoating and blaming been very a red wine linking these Events People were blaming immigrants and afternoons this we were just talking about and we see during hiv aids that homosexuals were blamed when one is shocked but not surprised to see the blame china and here and its ministrations saying officially that its the chinese disease the womb han disease and so thats i think a very unfortunate and very anti Public Health measure well arguably of course the w. H. O. Has fewer and fewer resources now the United States apparently have been has to be pulling back funding for it but you do say that we must understand the virus itself that the disease is not random and that it virus like corona virus is selective and exploits what humans create rather nationalities i should absolutely i would argue. That diseases are known for its societies that create the power and ways by which diseases reach them and i would call this the 1st rate disease of globalization and so its not by chance that virologists have been saying for quarter of a century now that a pulmonary pandemic is inevitable as part of our future and now weve seen that its actually arrived many people by know that calm ox predicted monopoly capitalism arguably but you are writing about how our Economic System is created the fault lines upon which. And tb or cholera travel you think theres something we can learn from ox prefiguring this too well marx was not thinking about disease on the other hand his description or repair shows industrialization process on a global scale remains true enough and i do believe that this virus is demonstrating something he would have understood which is the tendency of the diseased to exploit the fault lines of poverty and disadvantage and we can see that that is precisely what coke at 19 is doing it is a disease if you look at a city like new york city that the its the poorer and the United States poverty is inflected with ethnicity and so its ethnic minorities have double and triple the rates of death from cove at 19 and then internationally we see that now covert 19 is ramping up to become a great disease of the global south its impossible to practice our means of defense in the industrial north social distancing and washing your hands if you live in a. On the shores of mumbai these tournaments that are densely packed with 10 People Living in a room a social distancing is meaningless and hygiene is impossible in an environment in which soap and and water are actually have to be purchased on a daily basis and are not freely accessible when youve been studying all these epidemics from time immemorial does it surprise you that elites dont seem to comprehend that they are only as strong as the most vulnerable time and time and time again i mean why is it that the mistakes are made repeatedly throughout the book by elites this is one of the distressing aspects of our past isnt that it seems people very quickly for one thing have amnesia after there is a sudden flurry of thinking about these events soon after theyve happened and also theres been a more sinister aspect which is this sense that the bar poor are actually guilty. Theres been a terrible tension between social classes particularly with those diseases that preferentially attack the disadvantage and so the blame game begins on a rich magnified level and we see this in the tensions this may be one of the factors that made the bloody repression of the not and the 19th century event such as the repression of the revolutions of 848. 00 tonight and the Paris Commune were in part i think the violence was magnified by the a sense of elites that the disease was the fault of what they called the dangerous classes and one can see this in covert 19 in the United States at the moment were of the far right of rural america. In the empty lockdown protests was blaming places like new york city and the poor and was with the hoping to withhold sort of payments of social Network Benefits from places that they regarded as underserved playing and dangerous im not far from a so in london here do you think its ironic that i mean some estimates show britain being perhaps the worst in death numbers or excess deaths at the running averages in the world and you talk in the book famously of john snow under 50 years ago pioneering Contact Tracing and yet britain one of its worse that actions here was to stop all Contact Tracing i would entirely agree with that as a desperately sad irony britain not only did pioneer Contract Tracing but it also was the home of the Sanitary Movement in the 19th century with remarkable making cities safe and hunted genomic so its terribly ironic that britain should be in one of the worlds leaders and thats partly because it not because its unhygienic but because it failed to be prepared and failed to follow the dictates of science which said that we have just a couple of weapons for dealing defending our sounds from this disease and social distancing and testing and Contact Tracing are the only weapons we have and so it was remarkable that britain and the United States were partners and also brazil in not being willing at the outbreak of this epidemic to put those practices into effect to protect the society well the books out now epidemics of society. Probably sales figures higher than your wildest expectations professor franks dont thank you thank you so much its been a pleasure after the break as corona virus spikes worldwide Domestic Violence a un special rapporteur a similar of it john Boris Johnsons certainly one of the countrys like glad to be a putin is russia not to ratify a groundbreaking convention on violence against women plus indias socalled communist coronavirus laughable carola population 35000000. 00 deaths fewer than 50 dollars or more going up abroad to have going underground. Ah no team no crowd. No shots no. Action just a call to be. Very strong no arrests. Points your thirst for action. Has changed american lives but pharmaceutical companies have a miraculous solution. Based drugs the people who are chronic pain patients believe that their opioid prescription is working for them on the remedy be sent to to the price that they pay closer dependency an addiction to opiates to long term use that really isnt scientifically justified and ill study actually suggested that the long term effects may not just be absence of benefit but actually that they might be causing long term. Welcome back in the 1st half of the program we discussed the conservative liberal austerity that arguably facilitated the u. K. Having the highest rate of deaths from. And of our earth among countries that produce comparable data maybe but how has that authority that abated the crisis for those at risk of Domestic Violence joining me now as governors are grabbing creator of the un repertoire on violence against women its causes and consequences derived from all of it thank you so much the rock of our the coronavirus lockdowns in the main effect of violence against women thank you very much for inviting me during the corona lockdowns. It is clear that home is not safe place and during global downs we mean and children are confined in different places that could be places of domestic learn serve even family size and there is problem with services that are needed to prevent search or cases acquire learns in such situations hole is not a safe place so there are now all situations of increased risk of women and the government should be aware that they need to provide their for different measures that are needed to prevent such allowances even during the car wed love the bounds of us were expected to say that as a un special rapporteur but i understand you believe that covert is illuminating preexisting conditions in societies that especially with respect to Domestic Violence against women youre right because there are preexisting inequalities in shortcoming send forms of gender based violence that is widespread in different parts of the world there are Different Levels of violence and there are Different Services available or not available even before the court so for example in some stays there are no shelters but in states where there are shelters we have to see if shelters are already in the barn then for example protection orders hotline scalp lines different types of for Police Interventions they should be open and accessible is essential so. We have to really call all governments all around the world tool or look into prevention measures to see which type of player helplines could be available source sometimes it is even s. M. S. Messages different types of floor messages that could be sent to all Grocery Stores or or pharmacies are signaling Domestic Violence and so on and so there are there are good examples there giving a vision can i just talk about the core centers because britain is one of the last countries to ratify the 2012 Istanbul Convention i mean what would you say to countries that say they couldnt afford it here in britain we had to bail out the city of london in 20008 came under a from criticism from your then colleague un special rapporteur on poverty and thats why britain could not adhere to the assembled convention of requirements for 24 hour help lines that alone the plight of Migrant Women he stumble commission is providing girl eagerly binding standards in area of preventing domestic rollinson rather than sit in semen and batter the same level of standards serve we also have in United Nation Nations Convention on diminishing of all forms of discrimination against women there more than see the convention sold those states that are not seeing possibility now like u. K. Are the strong Market Council of europe for the region to ratify the simple convention they should be aware that they have those obligations also under United Nations see the convention and the correlation and elimination of while and so against him and we should be aware that are you know cases of domestic current context family sites are down by intimate partners are done by family members there right there is serve increased risk for women inside. Situations and when we look at data from the naked nations. Un r. D. C. Agency a whaleboat its their website we can see at their turn out of 10 persons killed in the context of intimate Partner Violence more than 80 percent are women and as United Nations special report on why incidents women i should call all states to establish a family said watch ok weve ever just very quickly though if the obligations are there anyway under the u. N. Charters or resolutions then you can understand why britain or russia russia has not ratified the convention you can see why states dont want to maybe because of the obligations of their anyway what the point of is they will go over to really gauge issues so clearly expressed in the Summer Convention because theyre very specific and theyre showing what are those legally binding norms they should be included internationally just nation so are there are more precise soul for that reason countries are seeing them in a in a more legally binding manner that is really spelling delegations but in the long grants all those states that are not yet able to react if a simple convention they will do it because there are there are currently also using some buyouts of those standards in order to improve down ition legislation so the point is that east umble convention is you know way as a legally binding stronger with a stronger implementation a mechanism server and monitoring mechanisms there are Different Levels of morning touring that are really showing back at the National Level what are gaps and what the governments are not doing in line with International Law the u. K. Is either 49 percent apparent increase in helpline calls a drink over it spain 30. 7 percent and reported cases in russia doubling under the lock down. Just want to finally in the time we have a q. About what youre hearing from palestine because i understand your one of the 1st rapporteurs to visit palestine in 2016 after a long absence of un rapporteurs britain sending record amounts of arms to israel what are you hearing about the effect of Domestic Violence from kovi of embellish the respect to all states since we are also under a log announces a special report not able to travel i am receiving information salsa or 2 or well Online Sources so i have also included on my website all for all stakeholders whats been states nongovernmental organisations in the bend and institutions to send me information about trouble and related still violence against women during the car with 19 pandemic so now i am receiving a lot of informations and we are so much in the middle so its not easy to assess for example they tell you is not truly comparable the same is solved by list star in israel and all of the states and when i resisted the state of palestine and israel i here we commended collection for example of family say they and eve duelled also inclusion of family side watch analysis of cases in order to see how to prevent such cases in the future but in general it is a problem a data because many steves will not collect all minnesota of the different forms of violence against women and we have to are now law in direction of really connecting they throw it to laws and policies and government responsibilities to act and to prevent violence against women and girls you know as much or avatar thank you. Thank you. Well if the sight of communist cuban doctors in nato countries saving lives is one thing news of a coronavirus slayer in communist carol or in india is another arguable nightmare for supporters of near liberal capitalism joining me now via skype from carola is carolus communist Health Minister k k challenger credited with masterminding a coronavirus strategy that could have saved countless lives all around the world thank you so much minister for coming on obviously karen our population of 35000000 if we took britains maybe 60000 dead figure we would expect maybe. 30000 dead in carolina but you havent seen 30000 dead in kerala what is the situation there like that dont make the guard i wondered and dark its as false if you cases i am because of largely preparedness the individual desires out of there are many that have been predate one of the better to get that day and or their governor discharged from the hospital. But i want to 2nd phase started again. Then being a new glad it ended it glad locked out in march and april that it was easy to do all that invented the floor from our safe to get law. And we did now do with that but some sort of dont order need to get there because our goal was to court and isolation and treatment the curator the was in 2 cases and then they plan to make get out get rid of me grab become you know and be flogged in the gulf but after that event a lot of them leave dead and the again they had to have it begin the graphic it shows that ace and that there has been or there has been a rise i understand in the in the past few days but up until recently you have only had a handful of deaths the 4 International Airports were closed down but why is it that you your policy was to test and treat us in britain the decision was made to stop all tracing yes we have testing the symptomatic cases we have screening everybody yet leasing and screening them limited and or so if they are coming from someplace you know object was to be have testing each and every body and symptomatic cases we actually fitting to the hospital as endemic to be at it you dont want current day stick to him current day and we have watching each houses and the hope of the doctors of the Monkey Island police and help other goods you dont need to do not need a mobile phone app or are you doing this with people yes we have a good day and knew that it was a man as the nation among the poor and if it did join product would be going to do what we had doing everything here if people travel to britain they have to pay for their own quarantine in care or the government the communist government pays for the quarantine yes bit of a Public Health system here and also be percent dead approach and we have a. Fever. We can create Awareness Among the people that do in britain and others tried to g. 157 we have. Had all of us dont go home and here and it is under the leadership of communist party and also. Socialistic approach and the centralized approach and after that given for all of that to be centralized planning and i think because we have a system be created a system here and c debt under the base of that system. Managing these things with the help of the poor in a social manner and just finally and briefly carola is now producing its own p p Protection Equipment is that right brianna were guessing now but it is not some fission we have buying from other braces also took the riyadh collecting from out that part of. The country danny they have where scarcity for these been be but now will be a collective but it would amount and now we have sufficient using b. P. April quite a bit and we have are directing our head to what goes properly and we have separate b. P. At night and 95 miles to each individuals but do that then we have protecting our theres probably Health Minister thank you. Thank you that was a matter of a show about a wednesday 73 years since goldman but later killed by the ira proposed indian politicians which would display 16000000 people in jail that wash your hands join the underground by following up on you tube Twitter Facebook instagram and chant. The be. Odd no team no crowd. No shots no. Action just belts be. Well strap no 1st. Points your thirst for action. When else so small seemed wrong all right all roads just dont call. Me long yet to shape out these days comes to advocate and engage with equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart when you choose to look for common ground. Scenes of a truck clawing inter protesters house america rages for another night with more looting arson and Police Protester violence over the death of george floyd his all shared her thoughts on the nations reaction with us here at r. T. Im all. Im grieving. You. Nationwide protests the riot Police Clashes on looting dozens of American Cities impose curfews to try and stem the violence. And in other news most of englands primary schools reopened this monday after the coronavirus
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