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A circumstance to animals to people who move to the markets there no less than a celebrity like support mccartney who is quick to say we must close the wet markets down i notice youve been keen to emphasize the difference between western markets per se and wildlife markets perhaps seeking not to oriental eyes this pandemic. Yes well the thing is the point about a wet market is that most wet markets in china dont sell wild animals theyre more like they promise markets that we have while we have them in britain and america but not wild animals thats now been closed in china the trading and selling of wild animals for troops the problem here is you saw one problem but then another looms and the one looming here is all the thousands of people who actually have no other likelihood so you have to help them get through changing from breeding and selling wild animals hunting wild animals for food and finding another way of making money so you see poverty is crucial eradication of poverty is crucial to your Environmental Concerns absolutely and you know we mustnt forget the Climate Crisis and our concern for the cove it 19 because thats something which will carry on into the future this this pandemic will get through b. S. That out of many many places are going to have very serious economic problems people have lost their jobs people are mourning family members who know its been awful but we will get through it just as we get through really been through a lot of very unpleasant times in my life i mean i live 86 scientia so. When you hear leaders like Boris Johnson babson certainly dont trump repeatedly claiming no one could have predicted this pandemic you know you dont think thats the case. And i know its not its not to like because people studying these these soon arctic seasons have been predicting a really long time and you know that learns ok hiv aids started problem until. And selling eating chimpanzees in 2 different parts of africa are sas but again from another wild wild animal market in china bent mars again from probably camels in the middle east and then being simple academics began from our factory farms in the effort to arson all these terrible unhygienic conditions one of the new films that are out from national geographic. Called jame the 1st of their 2 once called hope talks about you when youre in goma in tanzania and the tragedy when polio hits the Small Community of a chimpanzees you are investigating in and made the whole of the world realize that humans were the only not the only species to have consciousness arguably just tell me about when a pandemic hit that camp. Well it was it was really only the worst time in my life because we never knew which chimpanzee would come in dragging an arm or a neck and then some of them would just disappear and it was it was absolutely heartbreaking and it began in a nearby town. And bizarrely the doctor at the time it was an italian he he didnt he could not talk about polio we think its because he couldnt have the proper supplies anyway nobody knew that there was colin or anywhere and then some people in a village just south of gandhi got this paralysis and then some chimps there was seen dragging limbs and then it came to us so we back snake is the muslim very susceptible to these restore a tree diseases and were terribly worried that this could be 19 could get you know an effect in fact our chimps and theyre all endangered now on the run in towns yeah im going to get the reasons for there are possible extinction but speaking about gone bad nearly 60 years since you were there with a groundbreaking research but of course whats disturbing about it today is it led to a war a virtual war between different elements in the community because an epidemic struck an area well actually the division of the community and what i call the 4 year war wasnt actually. It had nothing to do with the polio epidemic what we now know is that anywhere where a tourist an ape so its a privilege that is that we have to take very great precautions to ensure that the chimps dont catch i guess the similar. The 2 contains i knew in the old days how honest all gone but one of the ones who has by a real say friend was graeme and. Last time i actually saw kremlin she came right up to me and looked into my eyes i mean of course they recognize us just as we recognize them that we had talked of under the shiver on this Program Actually in the past few days i know she shared platforms with you she was saying it was clear the deforestation is part of the puzzle of corona virus and his one and a half acres of rain forests are destroyed every 2nd tell me about the deforestation how its affected animal life the chimpanzees that you love so so much and why the whole world needs to wake up to the idea that its affecting them right now well the deforestation particularly of the tropical forests which are carbon sinks the way you know absorb c o 2 Carbon Dioxide from the atmosphere and store it and as we destroy the forests we release that Carbon Dioxide back of course relates to the Climate Crisis just like the pollution of the ocean but also as we clean out more and more current its rich bio diversity so animals are pushed together much more frequently than they would be because you know theyre losing habitat and animals are pushed into shreds the contact with humans some a democrat rating simply becomes we have been great at their homes so yeah this is definitely an important part of the. Seasons. In one of the movies the chicago conference the you spoke at in 1986 was on forest destruction and instead that 90 percent of chimpanzees were killed in the 1980 s. It seems like an enormous sum what does it feel like in 2020 talking about deforestation. Well its just going on and you know its one of the things that a con terribly concerned by an intense any o. E. M. Programs for reforestation and protecting the existing forests will have biodiversity and thats where it impacts the the zoonotic diseases so why do you think a pandemic that is made everyone conscious of that connection suppose you would hope why is it theres been no call for companies associated with forest destruction were no cause for them to be shut down after this pandemic is if not over at least has less of an impact on our daily lives. Well there were there that will be there might be i mean ive been fighting to stop the forestation and again we come back to probably because an awful lot of that the forest station the scene with other habitats too is very poor people and theyre going down there are streams in their desperation to grow food to feed their families so you know we also have to take into consideration the growing human population worldwide eat and. I learned in the rain forest how everything is interconnected and just doing one piece of it isnt enough but luckily different n. G. O. S tackle different aspects of it local environmental problem out in the forest i have this very strong feeling our great spiritual power. It was the kind of feeling that i sometimes have in one of the of cathedrals where people have been to my ship yeah after year after year. You are arguably. Really important when it came to stopping animal experimentation basically chimpanzee experimentation with all the talk now is of vaccines and actually theyre often talking about the need Oxford University of a chimp a dino virus that theyre injecting with corona virus as i understand it into pigs well how do you see the role of our animal animal experimentation in vaccine research. Well quite honestly by talk to the people who doctors and scientists who are coming up against on the experimentation you know the stillest work on mice and rats and dogs and even chimpanzees are not so like us they were if they were thought to be the arms but finding back scenes and cures are still there they can be infected mother animals couldnt they didnt develop the symptoms that week one of the labs i visited i was shown into this room with 4 tims down each side 5 foot by 5 foot k. To 7 foot high and the 1st from was called jojo. It was a very handsome male been alone for 15 years or so and i looked into his eyes and i was thinking of the gumby chimpanzees lying there soft ground making leafy nests grooming each other and he being there alone with time and so tears began trickling under my mask and he reached out a gentle finger and wiped the tears away the way ahead is to work harder and harder an alternative to using any animals in medical experimentation and you know theres a lot of doctors fighting for that im a whiz going to conferences about it and huge strides has been made theres many many ways of experimenting with excel tissue and organ tissue which do not involve torturing animals the problem very often is that to get some new drugs on the market you have to show the powers that be whatever organization it is that you want done experiments on animals dr jane goodall stop you that more from one of the worlds most famous conservationists after this short break. We go to work you straight home. You are no fan speed you no longer a young woman in fact you are one of the last living survivors of the nazi ellis asked im aware of it. All your life. You can never forget maybe you can now auschwitz was really like to be in hell because you would never believe it was a human can do to as operating cost free for 2 years and both at the curb it. Seems so logical for by your side. When i get out on the farm saw you know what its like my sons were next to you so he can listen and hopefully he bless are heard screams. 54 jets and more than 1300 military personnel are headed to heal some air force base in alaska where is that to say come on ill show you whats the reason for any type of enhanced u. S. Military presence in this area rush up. What is it suddenly about the South China Sea that makes it so that it 11000000000. Barrels of oil. Take a look at this map who really owns what kind of says no it belongs to us india says no we claim that that belongs to us both of these countries have Nuclear Weapons capabilities there is reason for concern so thats why were going to drill down on the story for you today right here on the news with rick sanchez where you know as we always like to say we do believe by golly its time to do news again. Welcome back im still here with world renowned conservationist dr jane goodall well on the Big Pharmaceutical Companies maybe on big fossil fuel companies. Actually whos written of her chimpanzees in a different context hes a hes been talking about this apparent dissonance between the c. E. O. s of these sorts of companies and the children and grandchildren of the c. E. O. s of these companies tell me about roots and shoots and how. Somehow education can create children or help children understand i dont know what their parents are doing is going to create more pandemics in the future. Absolutely pandemics and more destruction of the environment and actually stealing their future it works rich interests began in 1901 and it began with 12 High School Students in tanzania its now in 65 countries its growing all the time it has members in kindergarten university in everything in between and may choose projects themselves but one to help people one help animals one to help the environment because of this everything being in the connected and changing world as we speak they are really were listening to them very small and theyre being empowered and were helping them to express what a feel and theyre learning about the kind of things that we never learnt to count because they want problems back then. I had the idea of routine shoot because i found so many young people whod lost hope and said there was nothing they could do about the future of the planet so i try and inspire as many children of all ages as i can to take action and roots and shoots somehow create certain values and we found that many what i call alumni the people being true the roots and shoots program. They they you know they come up to me in china for example and similar of course we care about the environment we were in roots and shoots in Primary School and i dont know for a fact that sometimes a child will influence the behavior parent or grandparent because they told me so what about the idea of it say no less than the girlfriend of the british Prime Minister Kerri Symonds has been tweeting i understand about roots and shoots will politicians really react to. Speeding up processes that will stop Climate Change i mean by 20 what is that within 100 years we expect to have no rain forest whatsoever on earth at the current rate. At the current rate and thats why its so desperate to stop it and we still have time we have this window of time and i think my greatest hope is partly the resilience of nature you know around gandhi in 1998 all the trees that had been there had gone and now theyre back again because we work with the people alleviate their property and so on but. So their children you know theyre not in not making demands theyre showing example i dont believe you can change anybodys heart where its a parent whos just you know ordinary person in ordinary job or somebody whos a c. E. O. Or a politician youve got to reach the heart is no good arguing with that with the mind because soon as you begin arguing people get defensive they want to protect their point of view and theyre thinking all the time about how theyre going to refute what they are going but if you tell stories stories that reach into the heart you may not know at the time the difference that you make but you sometimes find out later what about working with big business on environmental projects we have no less than an advisor to Prince Charles on this program who told us that he was appalled by green washing at top fossil fuel companies of course you have a history with conoco funded your project what would you advise environmentalist today about whether they should team up with big fossil fuel companies perhaps with flowers on their labels and their logos. Yes well i think the 1st thing to do is to investigate the practices that that company and what percentage of money theyre putting into developing alternative Clean Renewable Energy is a reason that we went with conoco is because back then before they were true they were bought out by 1st dupont and then today phillips but back then they were the most environmentally friendly oil company on the planet i think i sat down and i thought ok but i think this thing out and i thought to myself heres a company thats trying to do it as well as they can and im flying im driving im using electricity im spending money on the products that products at these Oil Companies are selling so its very hypocritical if you meet one thats trying to do better and you say no im not going to take your money except might look might make you look better than you are as hypocritical so my man my my advice is really find out what that company is doing i mean some of them totally mushy and its awful but some of them really are putting a lot of money into alternative energy and treat planting then take money from them and what bring them to make things less star i work partly this some activist with say have a time for that environmental ism is over as the Climate Emergency becomes more obvious Extinction Rebellion the group the International Group that is. In the lead arguably with fighting Climate Change they were put on a tear or list here perhaps using tactics perhaps using weapons of their are enemies whats your reaction to Extinction Rebellion as it plans demonstrations around the world virtually or in situ during the pandemic. Well i think i honestly think that you know demonstrations have a wrote play nonviolent demonstrations and to use force has happened in an nenni countries against peaceful protest is shocking i mean people need to express their views and i think when enough people as an Extinction Rebellion do take to the streets when children take to the streets you know it must spark some new awareness in some people and the way you can understand that they threaten the profits the socalled shareholder value the with all the externalities of the accountants call them those in power are clearly fearful of these demonstrations and arguably the the hope that you speak of i think youre writing a book on hope at the moment. Well thats absolutely true and you know the consumer and the voter in at least in some countries are really have a powerful role we again got to say. People living in poverty dont have much choice but providing you are reasonably well off if you dont like what a company guns go by its cut outs its again hypocritical to say oh the way you make all your your stuff is you know is totally environmentally unfriendly or stealing our childrens future and then you go and spend a lot of money buying their products although as you say. Many people do not have arguably the 99 percent do not have the choice as austerity has kicked in in western economies since 28 you know its going to get worse but that is the big problem also you started off with education thats important too because unless people understand the dynamics of a problem they cant make ethical choices coming and you know i found in china actually people who believed that elephants shouldnt that at tusks if we you know what we say are that cant be true but if youve never seen an elephant youve never been taught anything about wild animals why shouldnt they ship that to us so you know again its education from sometimes a very basic level that helps people who can make a difference to make a difference when i was 10 years old i had them train i will go to africa i will live with wild animals and i will write books about them everybody laughed at me youre just a girl girls dont know that sort of thing. But my mother she said if you really want to do this youre going to have to work off a hard but dont give up and i know youve emphasized hope with action in the past you spoke with james baker the secretary of state for Ronald Reagan do you think youd speak today with donald trump and secretary of state pompei o about why they should link here is shaking your head why they should understand the link between the environment and the destruction of the u. S. Economy because of her own of ours now i mean everybodys told im not i wouldnt to be honest i just wouldnt waste my time talking to people like that because they dont want to be you dont want to be if you want to change. The minute you see when you talk about consumer advocacy in the way that you just have im sure your probably aware of k. Street in washington the lobbying street how can you fight the lobbying of fossil fuel industries that are against what you say i mean obviously the jane goodall n. G. O. S are trying their best to educate tens of thousands of children can they make the difference compared to billions of dollars of Public Relations money Advertising Money and arguable backhanders to politicians. Well right now i suppose the answer is probably no but just because it seems you know unlikely doesnt mean you stop trying because if you give up and youll never succeed and i still believe we have a window of time all we can do all of us is the very best that we can and try and get a browns well a Critical Mass of people who understand that yes we need money to live but it goes wrong when we lend some money i mean i read orleans economists who talk about the real cost of food on other materials that are coming in from other countries and when. We sort of again its the consumer who doesnt understand i mean why is this product cheap its cheap because of factory farming which is horribly cruel to animals and absolutely shocking it is cheap because of child slave labor a slave chops and really not paying the right amount of money for what we buy in the west to brown or to a very large extent so its like i say if we get all of these things you know theyre all interwoven and no one organization can solve everything or we can do is work as hard as we can to change just many minds as possible and to have hope that the many minds will change the way things operate because after this coronavirus if we go back to business as usual which is the goal of so many of our politicians around the world today that horrible swing to the far right then then this window of time that we have to create change its closing all the time dr jane good off thank you thats over the show about on wednesday here they argue about it all macgraw you have a convicted of a. 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Says stand there while there are United States theres been the unbelievable winner of the geographic macroeconomic gambling casino with the World Reserve currency and really smart intelligent financial engineers and stop for engineers that. Has run up my thought is that this pandemic has exposed incredible water abilities in the United States and the United Kingdom and thats going to be painful its going to be a very painful next 10 to 15. Well its finally how. The public is on the arcade next of the hoax along with their accomplices in the media or be exposed when did obama buy know and when did they know that well anything. Welcoming of us from around the world live from Central London this is all to u. K. Public transport is run top as police are deployed to deal with workers returning to the office thats as the British Government is accused of closing the door to those frontline key workers from abroad with its latest immigration bill ill be talking to an expert in Disease Control shortly. The Health Secretary is accused of failing to meet care home bosses in the early stages of the virus despite saying he put a protective link in the room institutions and says the loss of taste and smell a fundamental added to the list of all the symptoms will be here actually from a former n. H. S. Trust chairman and later a Council Leader whose own mother is in a home and its thought of others. British government is not brooding on taking action against councils who refused to reopen schools only 1st of june before the part people saying they wont be sending children back. And so this is an influential committee of m. P. s and peers demand that the government be forced to delete the data gathered by its Contact Tracing out a need about privacy. Thousands of transport police have been deployed at train stations across england on the 1st full week back to work following the coronavirus lockdown on his commuter numbers rais there are fears of a total breakdown in social distancing says Health Secretary matt who is accused of failing to meet with care home bosses in the lead up to the lockdown which critics say could of course lives. He has all the latest so isa and many more people all going back to work. Well absolutely people are slowly slowly getting back to work and for that reason that the governments under florences are deploying all transport police to go to train stations to make sure that people dont overcrowd its trains and that people dont go into the barriers breaking social distancing measures which are of course advisedly 2 metres but we have seen this Morning Network rail saying that actually far anyway they havent seen a huge rise in the demands for the use of the trains and that many of the stations is well below capacity and that we have just havent seen not try to over crowded. Pictures really we saw patches of the cheap trains last week when the Prime Minister advised people to go back to work now weve been hearing from the former conservative party leader in duncan smith who emphasise that to many people that trains on public transport are the only way for them to get to work and that its necessary for those companies to increase the services but as of yet when i was in that type of overcrowding but that could become a real problem very soon if those companies dont he does schools to increase capacity now weve also been seeing n. H. S. Workers of course throughout this crisis going to work using both cars and public transport and it is coming on the day that young secretaries bringing her new key piece of legislation around Immigration Reform to the house of commons that would see vast changes and if the Prime Minister and dimes actually get their way the introduction of a point specialist immigration system and for that reason weve seen criticism coming from the opposition benches in particular the shutter im secretary nick thomas simmons. I believe the governments plan to rush through this immigration legislation is an insult to our incredible n. H. S. Staff and care workers is frankly rank hypocrisy from the government towards e. U. Nationals over 180000. 00 in england and wales alone who are currently working in our n. H. S. And in the care sector for ministers to stand and clap for them on a thursday night and then tell them that they are not welcome in the u. K. On a monday not type of sentiment expressed theyre also repeated by many others who say that new point space system in the kind of earnings limits that it puts on people through are things people have to earn for that income to work in the u. K. Would actually exclude many of the people who are already currently working within the n. H. S. He survived symptoms of finally being updated yes the government adding the loss of face in the losses smell to official symptoms for corona virus is called and as we are and people being now advice to isolate if they should show those symptoms so perhaps as time goes on and doctors the scientists learn more about the disease how its an indication that actually more people could have had this is than they even knew themselves meanwhile the Health Secretary matt hancock hes been criticised for the way hes handled this crisis particularly coming into criticism for the fact that he has forced focus much of his attention on the n. H. S. To some saying that as a result of that islam directed the situation in social care settings. Right from the start its been clear that this horrible virus affects older people most so right from the start weve tried to throw a protective ring around our cat homes we set out our 1st advice in february and as the virus grew we strengthened it throughout weve made sure that care homes have the resources they need to control the spread of infection social care is a devolved matter of course and this week weve made a further 600000000 pounds available to cat homes in england. Of course we dont see thousands of deaths taking place in care homes and many criticisms that people will be released from hospitals back into care homes without being properly tested and not the farmers risk could have been spread like that from people being released back into the social care settings so that much of the criticism coming on but basis we are expecting to from. This hour within the next talking also and you will be updating the country as well adults exactly what the latest death rate is on later today during the press briefing is thank you very much indeed for that update well to discuss the easing of lockdown measures in england im not joined by Public Health consultant professor keith neal professor the government says its the government saying is fine for those who cant work from home to return just how safe is it i think the issue is that theres guidance at work at home if you can still stands in its place the other issue is that it isnt just a blanket return to work regardless of number of people who work in say Building Sites outside are clearly a much lower risk of acquiring anything in the open air because we know that is a much lower risk most places workplaces had now 8 weeks to consider how to manage the covert 19 risk within the specific environment and weve had people working in various places and anybody whos gone shopping would have noticed the changes put in place by various shops and he sees measures that employees have been called upon to sort out for themselves there are probably thousands if not millions of specific workplaces across the country and its actually impossible for the government to telling each one with a sense specific new and says exactly what to do what about traveling to work these social distancing measures that are surely break down if if trains eventually get back to. Near capacity well if most people can work at home or working at home then theres not the capacity requirement for large numbers of people to be commuting into Central London if you come to places like the east midlands we have weve only got one bit tram lines and we were lying on buses and that can be made to be more frequent not everywhere has achieved chub or Metro Network now places that do have again theyve had 8 weeks to think about how theyre going to do this and if we dont know exactly how many people are going to be needing to come into work but the reports have you just highlighted in the news that its much lower than they thought what about those travelling on buses and trams even if they arent really packed full to capacity you do still a voice people to wear masks on public transport should it be a requirement rather than gardens i think the evidence on mass is still incorrectly iffy and although people have recommended them there is what it will certainly has a psychological impact but whether it has any impact on the spread of covert 19 and other viruses is really hasnt been demonstrated the quality mass that people wear in hospitals are a completely different kettle of fish and expecting people i mean people asking people to wear a scarf around their mouth because they havent got a mask is really quite its just going to get very wet very damp and essentially be incredibly uncomfortable to wear and essentially the fine they havent got the its not the weve is not going to stop viruses getting through and it may create a false sense of protection what you make of whats happening in england are we going to force with this should the government waited like other home nations have done so. This is becomes a very political issue and i think its to be honest i think a number of their politicians and outside england are playing politics to a certain degree and i want to take the example of fishing gulf and other sporting activities which quite clearly. Or incredibly low risk the other issue is that people whove been in sauna i mean living on their own are essentially in solitary isolation and this is now going on for over 8 weeks in scotland wales and Northern Ireland and its actually illegal in prison to do it for more than 6 weeks just what is the very question if you dont mind theres talk of a 2nd wave particularly as winter comes or what are the chance of that happening it depends i think a bit i keep getting asked this question and i think people wont havent defined what they mean by 2nd wave if you increase if we actually reduce some of the locked up measures its quite possible that the cases may begin to pick up again and therefore we could then simply remove those put those missions back on and im sure that some people would say politically say oh youve got a 2nd wave when its gone from say 100 cases a day to a 120 with that on the other hand i think if youre thinking about having a as many cases as we had when we worried that the n. H. S. Couldnt cope when it did cope that is cuckoo we know how to stop it we can monitor the cases and were getting more Accurate Information if we dont a suit be quite simply to reverse the restrictions have put the missions back on and that will stop it very quickly professor keith neal thank you very much indeed for talking to us live here on r. T. Kerry. Well to discuss the crisis in more detail im not joined by former n. H. S. Trust chairman roy roy thanks for being with us now the Health Secretary claimed he put a protective ray who around. Cannot really be true. Well its hard to see it i mean i think they care hopes thing has been misjudged right from the start i think the the expectation was by ministers that care homes could get on and do what theyre supposed to do to clues in the title they could care and there was an imperative to move care home. Or to move patients from hospital into care homes we had to free up about 33000 beds and thats the equivalent of about 30 hospitals thats a lot of people a lot of them were trial and elderly and the care homes were provided upon to take them their fees were paid by the government and they were put into the care hopes the the the theory being if we take them out of hospital we put me to care homes theyll be safe there we can get on and worry about what happens in hospitals well im fortunately they were d. Canted from hospitals without any testing to see whether or not they had the virus and so a lot of them would be canted into camps they took the virus with that little bit hey you know guess what before we knew it the virus was rampaging through the care home so i think it was a misjudgment that the carriage could code because the care homes do care most of them are not Nursing Homes they dont have a nursing component they cant do burial nursing their record short for personal protective equipment there was no testing regime available to all they were now and again was a government failure in my view so the whole thing was misjudged right from the start and was till now trying to recover misjudgment and also mishandling because it looks pretty bleak if met hancock did fail to engage with bosses despite the warnings. Well you know what i saw that this morning that press report this morning i was just go up some act frankly i mean the 1st thing you do in things like this and its been my been in and around government in the n. H. S. For years the 1st thing that ministers do is call it the most appropriate people in the atacama round table conflict now you cant do that now in person but you can certainly do what were doing here on the seat on r. T. Right now were using skype perfectly adequate to have a conversation they should have had a crisis conversation with the care homes breached im sorry he said what do you need how can we help you to make this safe water all the components of this and to find that it was left to a junior minister and i mean i have note criticism of the young woman who is that Union Minister but i mean she was only elected in 2006 stage she has very little experience and very little experience frankly of managing anything so i think it was a disaster from the start and i have absolutely no idea what the 6 who state would not want to talk to can a bigger run cant but were just funny that the government has got this under control now is it doing all it can do to stop this unfolding crisis into what its kind of throwing p. P. At it but that still scares its does not enough route to go around as were now going back to work a lot of Companies Want peepee for their stuff so that now theres a current scramble again for p. P. The testing regime is still woeful were not testing anything like even the target numbers that are coming out every day were not were not on top of testing or were not on top of tracey so actually you know youre left wondering is a care in the safest place for your granny my answer to that is i dont think so roy millie thank you very much for being with us live here on r. T. U. K. Well the half talking of all of this earlier i spoke with welsh Council Leader emran bowler his own mother has tested positive for corona virus in an outbreak it can. I was certain that they were hit with it because somebody came in from hospital who they are and to ensure that they didnt have the virus that they were given im sure im spent and they did how did the virus so and so weve got it not wait unfortunately that lee died within 2 days but the virus was in and theyve gone through that and so far everything everybodys coming through it sort of unscathed how they coped since the virus entered the home how is the cabin affected from from what you gather ive been having a conversation you know as a center as a you know you know mother in there but also as a Council Leader and blazing on you know so you know what what what what special do in and a zone do it immediately really once once once there was any danger of it up knowing it was that it was only into red and green and kept apart and then people kept in a room and segregated in order to get over the period where they fought out and fought it you know with gusto really and made it worth but the other one to that that is that theyve all been tested no stuff on residence but unfortunately my i was told at the weekend that my mother has tested positive nanny warnings from the can whom industry about this and as a counselor what why do you think Central Government failed to prepare for this crisis in the camps. Well i do know it comes down to the fact that they were slow and behind on most of what they did us thats from day one and slow to culture even there where they were being told i mean i was making a point as well you know the leaders were. Care homes that were be at the front and center of this so we. Just go with their welfare minister laws not just be. Sure you know that. Is take a look at how the outbreak has been affecting the home nations well n. H. S. England has reported 122 fatalities since yesterday the scottish 1st minister has confirmed 2 more deaths in scotland while highlighting a lower levels of we can reporting wales 4 and northern and 6 when the scottish 1st minister has announced that tests are now available for anyone in scotland over 5 should date develop symptoms the Welsh Government has unveiled over 3750000 pounds of Mental Health funding for schools to support children under 11 and the Northern Ireland policing board is not a human rights review into the way police implemented new pilots during the outbreak it comes after the force was criticised for preventing residents travelling long distances to take exercise the turnout of the global numbers and according to Johns Hopkins university which collects worldwide data over 4700000 have been infected over 315000 have lost their lives and almost 1800000 have recovered well with some European Countries gradually lifting lockdowns in the start of the tour season the World Health Organization warns that the 2nd wave may be inevitable this winter we will russia has residents of less than 9000. 00 new cases bringing levels down to those seen on may the 1st and a leading spanish newspaper has revealed that of the countrys 28000 coronavirus deaths 17 and a half 1000 took place in care homes. Still to come the suck. It up and Friends Council for action on the facebook children going back to school at the beginning of june with a little pool ready to carry one to be brief opening classrooms. And also still to come in peace to mold the government be legally forced into me they to gather from his Contact Tracing up as soon as the product is over. You cannot be both with me yet you like. The world is driven by a dream shaped by one person with those words. No dares thinks. We dare to ask. One else chose seemed wrong all right old quotes just dont call. Me. Yet to seep out is the attic. And it gets ready because the trail. Went on many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. The reopening for English Schools is just around the corner on june the 1st but some authorities claim they wont be following the u. K. Government stick to that and the culture secretary hasnt ruled out taking action to force them well i hope that we can all continue to Work Together as one nation. I think if we can get children back to school and its safe to do so and we should really try to do so reception in year one and year 6 a jew to head back to school by the start of june in england while schools in wales Northern Ireland and scotland may keep their doors shut until September Liverpool and hartley paul have gone against the governments reopening time line and will remain closed in june thats as newcastle and Gateshead Councils refuse to adopt these stay alert slogan siding with the other home nations on that soon well for more on this ill be joined by a Teachers Union representative that will be in the next hour. A group of m. P. s m. P. s his draft of the bill requiring the government to delete all the data it gathers on its n. H. S. Coronavirus Contact Tracing up chair of the joint committee on human rights Harriet Harman says new government powers required robust legislation to protect the public. We cannot rely on the current failed mishmash of protections that were never envisaged for this situation we need new legislation government collection of a movement some physical contacts would have been unconscionable before but now it is happening part of a completed emergency legislation for new powers it can do it now for new protection. The u. K. s up trolled on the other one it should have been available by mid may according to Health Secretary matt hancock it allows those with a positive test or showing symptoms of the virus to alert those nearby who they have come in contact with but issues with privacy particularly regarding centralized data gathering of lead to the delay n. H. S. X. The Health Services innovation arm said the data will either be deleted all fully anonymize it can be used for further research. The British Government jet to the decent arise version built by apple and google is used by many other European Countries or t. Shirt to do has more. As countries are rushing to develop these apps the Big Tech Companies like google and apple are already mapping out the road ahead theyre laying out the conditions for building the tools which you countries are due to roll out from next month while huge faith is being placed in Contact Tracing apps there is little solid evidence that they will be effective some are calling on governments to find some real alternatives. Governments please im sure at last the grizzle not protective equipment and help get tests back since future condemning thats. Not Data Collection theres also the question to be arsed about how much control these Big Tech Companies will have all the forcing governments hands given that they already control the Smartphone Market and will get different Digital Tools from competing Companies Even be able to interact with each other the interoperability a major blind spot from a technical perspective. One another in germany plans had been afoot to develop an app of course several countries with data being centrally stewart it later backed down and is now pursuing proposals promoted by google and apple and. The centralized solution was decided on last weekend a solution this ensures data is only stored on the device and not in a Central Location we convince the people trusted. That d. Centralized approach has also been taken by ireland italy and others too while here in france the government has decided to shun big tech and work on its own though any app that it develops may not even fully function with apple new google phones which is potentially rather. Problematic and theres concern about the privacy elements while the virus tracing apps are expected to keep sensitive and private data safe as we have seen time and time again not always possible that may be one of the reasons why the commissioner for justice gave this warning the apps should be only used during the crisis and be decorative it delicious when the pandemic is sort of but the decisions governments take now at a time when there is unprecedented Political Economic and Public Health pressure all the ones that will resonate for years perhaps even decades to come we wont know if iris tracing apps are useful unless significant chunks of the population download and use them but by then it may already be too late mass surveillance may become normalized all in the name of staying healthy. R. T. Paris and ill have more news in half an hour including the latest from the house of commons where the Health Secretary is about to be questioned by m. P. s on the governments response to the crisis including homes to contact trees. With. We go to work so we stray home. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business im showbusiness ill see you then. Hello and welcome to crossfire were all things are considered well its finally how could be russia great hoax sold to the public is unraveling the architects of the hoax along with their accomplices and the media are being exposed what did obama and bite know and when did they know it will anyone be held accountable. To discuss this and more im joined by my guest glenn these and he is an associate professor at the university of south eastern norway as well as author of russias geo Economic Strategy for a greater eurasia and in budapest we crossed the george said you know he is author of bombs for peace natos humanitarian war on yugoslavia our gentlemen are stuck rules in effect that means you can jump and i want and i was preaching ok lets go to budapest 1st george you know for the last 3 and a half years almost form its being called the russia gate this hoax there is been. Foisted upon us by the media and by the establishment primarily on the left but you know what it should be called the obama. Because of what has happened with slim gate you get my point go ahead george absolutely peter the revelations during the past 2 weeks have been stunning i mean we 1st will had the revelations about the mosque or the unmasking request which previously we have been told by James Clapper the former director of National Interest thats very rare that almost never happened and only the most senior level of the ministry should have access. Now it turns out that every single acting assistant secretary in any department who has access to the un must be but even more serious was as in the famous show the post story the dog that didnt bite back in the night which is there was no unmasking request about lee the trying issue throughout russia hoax florida