Hello and welcome to cross talk were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle the world is struggling in different ways to cope with the code 19 pandemic and governments are taking the heat for their actions and inactions well the coronavirus be a referendum on globalization. Across talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow dmitri baba hes a political analyst and editor in a semi internet media project and in london we cross to Marcus Papadopoulos he is editor of politics 1st magazine and then cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was a preacher let me go to marc. 1st in london as this pandemic continues and there is no end in sight Different Countries are experiencing Different Levels of of this pandemic and theres been pointed out by the media and my people around the world what actions work and what dont work but theres a much broader discussion that needs to be taken in that is the nature of globalization and how globalization has allowed a pandemic like this to spread become a pandemic itself here and when i say globalization im talking about the nature of trade borders the very nature of the nation state and even talking about sovereignty again which is for bowden on both sides of the spectrum but its something that has to be talked about because at the end of the day the nation state is required to take care of its own citizens your reflection there go ahead marcus. Indeed one of the consequences of emergence coronavirus has been to shine a light on the dangers all globalization and that is something all cool spots western media can simply american major and british major is not going to discuss because globalization is a scary moment and at the same time the coronavirus has demonstrates it the importance all borders of security all nation states and incidentally in britain and america the words. Along with the word coach or and religion are regarded as dirty words which is not just idiocy but it is absolutely lost now will the corona virus results in a downfall of globalization in the downfall of the new world order which is being in existence since the end of the soviet union and the soviet communism i believe i know why firstly because a shipment because they were. An assumption the ordinary man and woman in the west wing britain and america has made the connection between the emergence and the spread of the currents are at risk and globalization and in this in the case of the European Union with without borders so that is a dangerous assumption the 2nd reason why i do not believe it will be so its in the end its also good for the station is that there is no alternative to globalization ever since the end of soviet communism capitalism has mass. That has its old in itself to corporate capitalism and one of our mentions absent is of course globalization so there is no currency in the world i know but a bit of a thats a very interesting comment i mean i i im im not suggesting that dog globalization is going to go away because of the corona virus im not saying that what im saying is taking on board what marcus just said is that we have to take note of its weaknesses and how it needs to be adjusted i dont think we can turn the clock back 40 years ok but at the same time this is this horrible event that is affecting the world on a scale that is only increasing and were going to later in this week on this program were going to talk about the economic consequences of it but it does beg the question is it really working that well and what needs to be adjusted so we can we can avoid such a pandemic because it will be other pandemics this is a test case and how to leverage what we have now and what needs to be done in the future go ahead while i agree with a marker there have the nature of Northern Cape town as an easy expansion expansionary to not only territory for example i lot of people blame for their coronavirus they had been so they chaneys but didnt we hear from the western experts that we should consume insect. We should change our forward patterns you know we should expand and expand you know their sphere where humans interfere with nature basically its becoming more or less clear that they survived was a result of human interference in nature it did not it was not produced by nature itself so we see how the system is fragile because not at all only. Is it effected by destruction you know the stolpe in the spread the story but you know expansion is already a good tragedy and all people losing money in history is still the system is vulnerable to go back to markets like i guess maybe to fine tune my comment introductory comments that is is that we have globalization and that is a thats a very broad brush but i think kind of demons kind of teasing a little bit of what im talking about here i mean this is a corporatization globalization because when countries have to react to this pandemic they they have all of them have a different tool box and theyre not necessarily connected and weve seen today that the the inability to contain it i mean globalization in a very broad sense would seem to suggest that but we dont have that because its war of a corporate driven globalization go ahead marcus. Or let me make a case in point look at russia russia has borders and leader asleep defend its borders look at the decisive steps the russian authorities took to confronts and constrain the corona virus once once its threats from china straight away the russian authorities took the responsible decision and closed it a slaughter and its and if the European Union and if britain that britain is out of the year in union. Borders if they have totally secure and defended borders then maybe maybe they would not be the situation that there is today its for example its early and germany and britain were guarding the coronavirus so i believe that the russian authorities are demonstrating the absolute necessity of how to pull up the markets let me get let me ask you a question then so youre telling me and im extrapolating from what you just said is that western elite and their vision of globalization their ideology trumps Public Safety is that what youre telling me. Oh absolutely well good thats what im thinking as well resolutely expand on that its us who has been one of the beneficiaries or the corona virus western media because western media should have created. An atmosphere of awareness and calm about the coronavirus they should have told the British Public the American Public that a new virus has the most it is potentially so its all it could become and dammit you must remain calm and you must put it into perspective because year in year out for well over 100 years now the world has been livin with a pandemic in the school of influenza that would have been the actions of a response major but the last british Mainstream Media and the american Mainstream Media did not do that they deliberately creates it and say a claim didnt yap enflamed it and what has happened in britain for example the sale of newspapers has increased the amount of clicks on newspaper websites that are advertised since i live in it has let me go to deeming answers so thats exactly how i do it so even though even the Business Model for media for media trumps Public Safety ok we could go on and on and on go ahead well i can just give you an example the heel an American Publication they published an article us play into murky picture over russian disinformation of coronavirus so russia did liberally misinformed the us public coronavirus we are not calling itself is of misinformation well the article called assistant secretary of state for europe and youre a sheffield precursor sane rushes in to intent is to saw discord and undermine us institutions and the winds us from within including through covered and courtesy of malign info. And skimpy by spray disinformation about coronavirus russian maligned. Vine is a gauge that one example cited in the article that you could find of that misinformation as usual they side report which is classified the public cannot cede they are not providing any evidence of any fact but thats not an individual case thats not the several case in Europe Spiegel magazine they published an article headlined one coronavirus need sporter got a crisis put it on a supporter in and out of got so the kewl sportin and they are gone all of weaponized and made gratian you know all driving coddled masses to europe it immediately it reminded me of an headline in the corner missed a few years ago and that their hard old monsters in and now youre speaking to us its put in and out of the same get all of the water but theres really no market so if youve been listening to that i mean there is no self reflection of the malign foreign intervention into arab lands muslim countries they created these migration waves in the 1st place this is just how my optic western media is that their countries create these problems their media blames the these problems on a 3rd party that wasnt involved in the 1st place i mean it is so circular so sad satisfying and again a Business Model that praises ideology over the Public Welfare of people go ahead marcus. Absolutely the world is the emergence of a new virus it can be followed so it could become. What we have. Since the beginning of 2020. 1000000 americans. In a few years ago in britain in the. Us and sensing 6008. 1000 british people dying from the sleuth so we have to be. Aware about the drug its all a risk we have to its here its a basic hygiene i hate if for example washing your hands really often thats when you come back from the shops or from a ball or restaurant but i have nots go into lets british Mainstream Media which is puzzled logical outfits create syria. All through these are the people who claim that sudan hussein has weapons of mass destruction these are the people who claim to mass murder in to mrs olson and in libya and in kosovo they all compulsive liars and they do it deliberately in order to achieve a financial when so themselves they are despicable creatures you know and then we you know at the biggest loser is we in this segment here is Public Confidence in the end in the media itself it again its a circular vicious circle here markets beat up on us thank you for joining us on line and were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with r. T. You are no fan speed you no longer a young woman in fact you are one of the last living survivors of the not d. L. s past im aware of it. Leave for a day. All your life. And you can never forget america now auschwitz was really like to be inhaled close you would never believe it but if you meant to go to as a hobby of course every 30 years and over the birth of it at all is a lot tougher because i was a kid. When i go. Out on the fine saw you know you take my son to their next deal so he can piss and hopefully he blasts ive heard screams. So she and i as a nation from which to get some investors that were at the. Grocery i say is im up for for you got bored of the truck jumpers for nature my p. C. P. I didnt have to try to accomplish before i was. Upset. It was because of global what was going to have to close to this incident you know why would you just give us have looks like a bunch of us moving this but its not something youre fighting with the left or the mouth. On the left coast or china thats 4 to 6 months because in the south. Welcome back across top where all things are considered a bell to mind you were discussing real news. And now to nicosia were joined by Alex Christopher hes the director and writer for the duran dot com welcome to the pros program alex. We see how in the 1st part of the program which i know that you listen to when we had markets papadopoulos we talked about the globalization in the pandemic and how we have to reassess globalization at least we should i opinion but lets bring it a little bit closer to the u. S. Domestic politics here donald trump up for reelection the democrats have anointed their all but annoying to their nominee joe biden and it looks like to me that the democrats and theyre applying it media are going to make this entire election go past the going to the conventions and to the general in november as a referendum on trumps handling of the corona coronavirus is that a good play on their part because lets be honest here trump has not presented his best face when it comes to talking about how his administration is dealing with this pandemic hes good at rallies its not good with the teleprompter alex. Yeah i agree with that i think that the Trump Administration started very very slow to handle this and the big sign was with the testing there was just a lack of testing kits and people arent getting tested now i think theyve got everything ramping up now and a little bit more to control that wednesday oval office teleprompter speech to the American Public i agree with you peter was absolutely awful that was terrible in the markets reacted and the people reacted i think we saw a lot of panic because that environment for trump is not beneficial to trump trump needs to interact with people he is not good talking in front of a machine trump wants interaction even negative interaction even the press going adam is where he thrives so i think that latest press conference he gave at the white house with the media there with his team behind him i think we saw a much more confident and a much more secure trump and we saw a little bit more leadership and we saw trump in an environment that suits him i think he needs to stay away from the oval office period as this crisis unfolds interact with people speak with people have some give and take with the press answer their questions push back and i think people will start to feel a little more secure and theyll be a little less panicked because the United States in the world now needs to see some leadership and god knows were not going to get it in europe thats for sure so the only leader that i can think of right now in the western world is trump and i think he really needs to deliver on this he started out very very poorly but hopefully after that press conference in the white house things will start to get under control that well i hope you know you have to see this unfold yeah i mean and of course the i mean i think well all of us have to step back i mean theyre watching American Media there unfortunately theres so many people that want to score points and not really address the real issue and its a pandemic ok and then. Why its very frustrating watching American Media because its all about politics for them its not about people as usual ok thats why i got elected in the 1st place you know. The medias presentation of it just from what we just heard from alex and when we heard from marcus in the 1st part of the program here theyre doing a huge disservice to the public because theyre they have weapon dies this issue in a way that is to their own benefit that serves their own ideological interests and its not addressing the real problem but one of the real problems is here is the patchwork of american medicine ok there is no National Medicine and in its basically individual corporations so no wonder its very difficult for this administration because they have to talk not to officials in the administration but officials in the administration that are talking to the corporate world theyre not all on the same page and they all in the corporate world will never move away from their bottom line thats one of the difficulties alex brought up the lack of testing thats thats from a corporate point of view go ahead well again just a few facts weeks before they spend them extent that. Asked for 740000000000. 00 for what you know we read the newspapers the primary targets are russia and china so a tiny fraction of these mining could have provided that thousands you know millions of tests you know and the coronavirus would not be such a great danger right now and no one is talking about that and apparently one will most likely get get thats something i will go away too with you deem the pentagon every year waste more money than all of the money times 10. 00 that will be spent on dealing with the damage in the United States when you bet and we see we see that basically. There is no universal health care in the United States and this system seem. To be walking now we see that its not what can you know wealthy people get in fact that because they go to bars more often you know the need moral from working people are sometimes just glued to their walk places and who gets infected you know the wife or the canadian Prime Minister you know what sort of people in the media world lots of people in that case to quote we see unprotect that the reach have become simply because they were so greedy that they provided no health service. So thats a really good point to go back to Alex Nicholson i mean again this is this this pandemic its poor people its elderly people in the case of the United States people that are not insured or under insured and you know so people are going to stay home you know the rich and powerful the. You know the all of silicon valley. And theyll call to bring in their food bring in their dry cleaning but what about the over driver ok in the dry cleaner and all that see this you know again watching how the administration react to this you know and you know i suppose if you own a lot of stocks youre going to be really worried about the stock market but the stock market exists because there is an economy and an economy exist because it has to serve the people youve got all of their priorities all out of order and this pandemic shows it glaringly go ahead alex i mean i think you know when the demick runs its course however long thats going to take absolutely the United States should stop and reflect are they going to do it most likely not because they dont stop and reflect when it comes to regime change wars and like demas said the military spending the military budgets so i doubt when this pandemic runs its course the u. S. Will have an open and honest debate about health care now you know it doesnt matter where you lie on the spectrum with health care theres no doubt that the United States should reassess and discuss their Health Care Structure but the whole idea here is that this pandemic is shutting down everything in the United States but its playing into the medias hands and its playing into bidens hands the its perfect for them to not have biden. Speaking its perfect them to have biden hit in a way and it goes against trump to not have trump at rallies and speaking so Going Forward in a hall of this what youre seeing right now is a pandemic that the media is going to utilize and capitalize on that biden is going to utilize and capitalize on because biden now can just give 5 minute internet speeches and internet life streams and he can disappear and even there hes shaky and trump cant go out to those rallies into those big events and play up to his base so the optics right now really work towards biden and really work against trump the Health Care Debate is something that sanders could have capitalized on if sanders wasnt so weak. Thats the main issue this plays into sandras hands as well but sanders is god now hes god hes out of it biden like you said was even had did one even has to wonder and i think its a serious question to ask is it well there even be conventions will they just be you know avatar conventions ok were well they will they be done through skype i mean i mean youre bringing up a very serious point here because it in its actually controlling the media has the ability now they can completely control the narrative they can turn people on and they can turn other people off in an instant by i dont want to talk about health care i mean people think that by just going to do something with health care hes already said were going to not hes already said he would have. Well its just a lawful you know this week the American Media was full of concern about russia you know putin was going to chance to run another time when he was going to be the president for life for Goodness Sake by then theres 11 years all of them pointing at the United States is perfectly happy with him being the next president then if you read the media 90 percent of the media wants this guy 11 years all of those on board in the in the next president of the United States so its just absurd its laughable you know the problems that these people in the media invent like russian influence russian mending and they miss the really big problem that coronavirus what they believe and what they really miss is the elites meddling in the American Election and thats where the real meddling is here you know alex thats just it for me and its its its fascinating is that well the primaries are over we should cancel the rest of image joe biden you know this is just this they snow theyre snow balling you ok they are gaslighting you its like its all over ok its a its if we know well because the tribe administrator did such a bad job he should just resign and we should just annoying to biden and leave that up and everything will go back to 2015 and everyone will be happy again i mean they have gotten everything wrong for the last. 4 years and again we should step back a little bit everything will gambit they have played against they have failed well they succeed this time its hard to say but they have enormous resources mobilized around the story and its the wrong story theyre not focusing on the pandemic there but theyre focusing on the politics of the pandemic go ahead alex. Yeah and you know theyre going to get the pandemic wrong as well theres no doubt about that and no matter what trump does peter its not going to be good enough no matter what he just we open the borders hes a fall close the borders hes at fault stop flights from coming in hes at fault open all the flights hes going to be at fault so trump needs to just block all that stuff out and i think hes very good at doing that he needs to focus right now on the short term the next month or 2 he needs to flatten that curve the pandemic we now see from china from south korea from italy at this pandemic definitely has a very steep bell curve he needs to figure out a way in every country to figure out a way to flatten that curve out the pandemic going to run its course but they need to flatten that curve out they need to delay the spread of the virus and they need to work on getting people the care that they need for the short term and then after that we really really need to have a discussion in the United States about health care is anyone going to do it no unfortunately i dont think so but in an ideal world in a Perfect World that would be the course of action that health care would be a big topic going into the president ial election with biden its not its a fools errand to believe that the elites will learn from their mistakes 20 seconds to finish well talking about these statements you know now people in the United States can feel what we felt and what people in iraq felt what people in there with felt when the u. S. Media at the act well let me just you know what i have a real issue is did he was a criminal what they were putin is doing hes always a criminal but in reality of the statements from their western but if you are a lot more responsible when. America who has stayed in paula longer than 2004 she has the chance of all germany when she says that 70 percent of germans are going to be infected that means 58000000 people and were going to follow that story here thats all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and in nicosia and thanks to our viewers. For watching us here r. T. See you next time and remember. Fred the super cool portia look at all the little black. And News New York at the sun shining star shirtless with a cheap. Feeling i mean the streets full well for you to not only do it has made them feel pushed me i will push the. No. Thanks and. Yes. I do very. Much. I never. Really know why. 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