Investigate alleged war crimes in the occupied palestinian territories latest on the stories you can head to our t. V. Dot com my colleague be here in about an hours time with news stay with us now for cross talk discussing the trump impeachment saga but if youre watching us in the u. K. Political talk show renegade inc is next with us. Hello and welcome to cross talk were all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle the democrats in their ply and friends in the Corporate Media clamor to have trump and peach for months now they are determined to slow walk it a Winning Strategy and the dangers of historical revisionism. Talking some real news im joined by my guest here in moscow dimitri hes a political analyst and editor at me internet media project and in nicosia we crossed alex course before oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to alex nicosia well it is the holiday time and st nick hopefully youll be visiting your home i have a question for you alex is that nancy pelosi been nadi or nice because i think her stocking at the at the end of the day is going to end up pretty empty or maybe just a rock go ahead alex. I think it depends who youre asking peter i think that without a doubt if youre looking at the hollywood elite new york wall street elite if youre looking at the squad and the radical left they yet are going to probably you know feel really good about what nancy did because you know they got their twitter as j w points with the whole impeachment thing but if you look at the whole rest of the United States Everything Else i think people are absolutely upset with it i think its going to harden trumps base thats thats without a doubt its going to hard to trust base we saw that when he went to battle creek and did the rally. Trump did. We care about a piece we talked a total of about 45 seconds about impeachment and the rest of the time he was typical trump and i think you could look at the independents who are going to say what is going on and it looks he was in a rush to get this out and now she wants to stall and delay it. You know diminish the very interesting thing is here is that i mean from my perspective my opinion every single stratagem theyve tried to use against this president and im not im not carrying water for trump here but every single stratagem the abuse to tear this presidency down is only made him stronger now as Alex Christopher just said you know this rush to impeachment and. Right there the line you back off i mean there is a possibility that those articles of impeachment may never be delivered to the senate and on top of that nancy pelosi were watching the process in congress after all shes the speaker with jerry nadler and adam schiff how they played. Their own very biased game nancy pelosi now wants to control the game in the senate that is that is unheard of and of course the senate isnt going to react well i think theyre drunk himself also made mistakes which made these pathetic situation possible you know i tend to agree with Stephanie Cohen steven cohen who basically said that when trump felt you know these russia gay do you agree again things directed against him say he strategy was to appease them he surrounded himself by forbes. They were sure you know vain hope that that will be there. When the democrats we know that there is a huge oh i do or we just dont get behind it its not just the us democrats its by a hard as a its my being and its a lot of republicans these are people who basically do not believe in the United States as a separate country who believe in their you may get all the whole world. Very very dangerous grounds but i think trump is right when he is saying this you know in his letter to pelosi 19 minutes after i took all of office the Washington Post said that i would be under investigation no after 3 years of unfair and warranted investigations 45000000. 00 spent 18 angry democrat prosecutors the entire force of the f. B. I. You follow nothing nothing if they go back to alex and these men didnt. For years and this entire presidency the interesting thing here is that the articles themselves are very unclear theyre very murky and they were get were given the situation where palosi and company want more after theyve gone to impeaching him with articles now they want more time to investigate i mean this is completely upside down this is an investigation in search of a crime when it should have been a crime has been established and the trial should go forward i mean the American People arent dumbfounded by this and i have to agree with you are very frustrated either you impeach or you dont but you cant do anything you cant do in what theyre doing in between go ahead alex. Yeah i mean the whole process was based on feelings wasnt it pure i mean even the main witness sunderland the only evidence that you had in the whole process was trump telling him no quid pro quo thats a fact Everything Else was just based on feelings on assumptions and things like that ed now you have palosi saying ok based on these feelings we find you guilty but now we need to wait a little bit to find the evidence in order to justify our claim of guilt they are playing games no one likes games in any relationship nobody likes it when the other party plays games and nancy pelosi has taken this thing way too far and people are going to be very very upset and frustrated by it because shes simply playing games with the American Public its an except alex its actually even worse because if you delve deeper into it not just the simple minded Mainstream Media it is its its unclear if trump actually is in pete speak has it hasnt moved to the senate i mean we really are in this never neverland right now and you cant that is a status quo that cannot remain i mean either you move forward or not this is what the Mainstream Media and therefore their democratic friends have told us you cant stop at the goal post even one of the lawyers that testified i forgot his name no i forgot the guys name but he even said he even penned an op ed that said trump is not impeached until those articles are delivered to the senate and this guy was was testifying against trump you actually wanted trump impeached from the very beginning of his presidency so even hes saying nancy pelosi you gotta get the articles to the senate in order for this impeachment to stand but nancy pelosi is hinting that shes not going to do that she wants to keep this thing hanging over the head of trump the only thing that i can think of peter is the cherry on the cake to this complete clown. Show is Hillary Clinton coming out and saying you know what im going to run for presidency thats going to be the cherry on top of this in a year 3 years ok i said in my introduction davis it would any other gee i think we just got the answer go ahead well i think that the most pathetic thing would be Hillary Clinton saying since draw is not a legitimate president and thats what he said no no no hes not not only is he not only did a good president hes not legitimately put in p. J. Ok. And consciously again make this out well you know after 3 years of his rule she suddenly found out that she would that he was not legitimate but this is all lawful you know and again im coming back to mistakes you know their year they have these people would somehow be pieced by forbes like the only heel james major. Dont bolt on their idea that they would be a beast or simply wrong because there is no limit there is absolutely no limit to their actions you know they can go to Great Lengths in making their i think your reality well i mean i mean the fact of the matter is if you look at the facts trump has been far more hard on russia than obama ever was. On ukraine than obama ever was let the weapons for the ukrainian regime something that i still didnt dare to do then just recently you know trump simply. Sweeps company all seas to proceed with the north to project and this is against all rules because the United States could not order a Swedish Company and to cooperate on north corporator with a perfectly legitimate project and you know the americans have been saying that this is against Ukraine Russia has just signed an agreement were hearing so it can no longer used as an excuse but these people they dont need excuses listen again trump is right in his letter. And he is 100 percent right here president silastic a repeat that he declared that they did nothing wrong that it was a good call that nobody pushed me but they dont believe zelinsky their own man they believe they were all even a feeling that someone is growing intimidated to try to intimidate everyone alex let me go back to you nicosia at the end of the day this whole stratagem helps trump it helps him ok really what it does it closes the ranks of his base we have said on another venue on the on the duran then you know it brought out the best however you want to look at it the best of the g. O. P. And its brought out the worst of the democrats and the media go ahead. Yeah you saw that in the vote ok that the house stuck with trump 100 percent the senates going to do the same maybe just maybe you have a romney type of situation one guy but i even doubt thats going to happen peter nancy pelosi wants bolton she wants more they need to be witnesses and all the stuff she thinks she did is just sit there on a truck she doesnt run the try she has no right to do that lets lets see steel lets see chalupa hunter lets see hunter biden lets see brennan lets see clabber lets see Hillary Clinton lets see you Debbie Wassermann schultz lets see them all take take paul to you know what has just people i want to see them maybe maybe youre you and ill be the only one that would agree on this maybe nancy should hold on to those articles lets wait for the Durham Report to come out lets wait for that ok that would be a nice. Ok because the way the pliant media is in backing the democrats they are only pushing one narrative the other narrative is the Obama Administration was deeply deeply corrupt and used the levers of power as political blackmail in smearing 40 seconds this was the 1st time for that 25 years i think that i felt myself a soviet person i was trying to find the text of the left at the end of the American Media and they couldnt i wanted to find a big article in the New York Times which. Like to hear a little bit more a lady in the hall is the only thing you need to know ok 22nd statement and so i think that shows you what you know when people have no access to information when the media dominated by the liberals is not providing even facts that people can use that smacks of the soviet union much more than russia today in this day and age facts are not important its how you feel and its something. Here alex thank you for joining us on this part of the program very Merry Christmas and ill be in touch if were going to go to a short break and after that short break well continue our discussion on some real news stay with r. T. Seems wrong. But. Just dont. Let me. Get to shape out these days after. Engagement equals betrayal. When so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. Theres. No room and. My name is drawn more than i was. In prison by the expiration of my life. Case to grab some Media Attention and its a shooting in a 16 year olds 16th birthday party. So i think the police tell a lot of pressure to. Close the case. For he is. Just. Its like. You know the 5 that are wrong more than the shorter one with the shoes because i was standing right next. To me 4 eyes because you guys you know my point is you know youre 1617 years old so. You could lose 1. 100 disappeared. And i hope. For more. You got to go now to true. Welcome back to cross talk where all Things Considered im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing some real news. And now to london where were joined by Marcus Papadopoulos hes the editor of politics 1st magazine all right demilich talk about historical revisionism because its something thats very very important to this country where we were side in russia here a lot of here putin had an informal gathering with members of the c. I. S. The jury is going to be going you know and they talked about he talked about. Historical revisionism particularly about how the west is changing the interpretation of the origins of the 2nd world war thats not a monday in topic its very important to go ahead well i think there. Of course the reaction to the speech by putin which continued for more than an hour the reaction will be negative in the well what did he say. Well 1st i would say that they will say that he is close to start in that hes interpretation is very much like the one that weve had in the soviet union and that simply is not true because fortune made every effort to rican sile. Russia and the rest of europe he went to call it meeting you know the polish office where indeed the executive that one starred in sold us he went to investors. In 2009 and 9 even though he knew they had to point to russia but he has lost patience in this situation because these resolutions by the European Parliament or in their name of preservation of historical memory for the future of europe which in fact which in fact puts on equal footing nazi germany and the soviet union and when these people talk about the soviet union they talk about russia they never say. It but they dont talk about other countries are they going to let me know that its only a russian it wouldnt wouldnt would not just let me go to markets here i mean its very very interesting. I look at the origins of the 2nd world war in europe is the failure of the western designed System Security system collapsed in those glaring example of that is munich but if you look at the historical record it wasnt just the soviet union and nazi germany that side agreements we go back to 1934 germany in poland the u. K. In 1935 with the of the anglo german maritime agreement then we have munich itself then you have the Franco German declaration. 3938. 00 i mean it goes on and on lot be it is well and then when we had munich when we saw czechoslovakia being carved up poland was a part of that partition as well and its a very hungry as well this is such a myopic selfserving view of history instead of trying to understand why the system failed what they want to do is legitimize not taking responsibility for what happened go ahead marcus. Peter let me clarify something 1st of all the commonwealth of independent states is a family all sorts are no peoples peoples who live in the same country so many centuries 1st of all the russian empire and then the soviet union and lets not forget that in march 90 knots you want a National Referendum thats right now it is you in which 77 percent of the soviet people voted to preserve the union of soviet socialist republics and in the ukraine the figure was about 80 percent now its turned into the historical revisionism in the west regarding the origins of quote will to what happens following will it will suit in my opinion page this is the most offensive aspect of the wests attack demonization of russia because as we know as any what less hostile brain notes on outsourced and lights an noticed it was the soviet union sacrifices that ensured guaranteed the defeat of nazi germany for at a fire german soldiers died fighting the red army 88 percent of total wartime casualties were incurred on the Eastern Front against the red army and the guard in the origins of well it would say well peter youve already cited many references to demonstrate very closely but there are other countries that play their very important go ned who got in the account in the nonaggression treaty between the soviet union in nazi germany well that was not a genuine pats of friendship and now there are signs yet col so had a lot to give him to give him a free hand to deal with thoughts that were signed by starling to buy more time for the soviet union to prepare for an inevitable conflict with nazi germany now that is something that is not going to be told in the west and we have to remember its a day. Because to me it is again a superpower and this all has to be taken down by any means necessary its not means holding it and. So big that means actions on the roster economy sort of big but i can only say this is the greatest affronts answer to sort of the we call what the west is doing at the moment well it also you know you know came of the thing is that the way to the reason they can get away with this because you have the political leader stalin and you have an ideology communism easy from that for the west to demonize but if you step takes take a step back and look at the geopolitics of it all any entity at that time whatever political regime was in russia would have done more or less the same thing this is what states do to protect themselves ok its not that you dont look at him in a locker as a person as a country with virtue its all about your own security here and this is why the west is romanticizing it and itself exactly it will matter size itself but it is a little bit what they do is they go through this process of dehumanization because of a system that they created where the soviet union was not allowed to be a participant of and its their system they collapse theyre the ones they destroyed czechoslovakia not the soviet union and not stone well there is a moral aspect to it all and i would remind our viewers that the soviet union itself in 1809. 00 there was a special decision by the soviet bottom we should declare. It back to morrow and we deny the secret protocols to it so the soviet union had the moral and that raises that was in the new russia that was the soviet union under gorbachev you know but this was never going to see pretty. That unfortunately all of gorbachev concessions you know meeting. In. Fact they were all view by the European Union by the United States especially by war and ass science a weakness that needs to be used you know the also war the pressure became greater with the russian concessions so in these talks you know basically all the cards on the table hes talking absolute is in syria he said what would happen to the jews in the east important if the soviet union did not take that part of the country in september 1990 they would share the fate of joules who stayed in warsaw he said absolutely clear and putin said in his speech. You know when i see what is going on in certain countries of europe with forbit within a segment and other things that reminds me of something and he is right you know if you think these not only writing let me go back to marcus i mean i find this. So bizarre marcus because when you look at the you know lets go past the 2nd world war and the behavior of essentially nato member countries going traipsing around the world forcing regime change against International Law illegal occupation illegal bombing and they want to go back to 939 and to make themselves look virtuous maybe thats exactly why theyre doing it because they lack so much virtue on the International Stage since then go ahead mark. And let us not forget as well pace us that in nearly 950 days following the creation of nato or this soviet union asked to be a member of nato and nato said or america said no now if we have a look in the mid 19th threats hes right up until the son of 19 for tonight is soviet leadership stalin so collect Social Security or france and britain but paris and london dismissed stalins play for collective security why because they felt the red army was offensively in nets they also had this fear is hysterical fear of communism at least there are some sympathy specially within the british establishment towards nazi germany yep and people flee there is this this story created at last can barbarism could threaten western europe and let me say also peace and i can hear hysteria in our west minutes that weve all im about to say was the cardinal factor in the soviet union spicher a nazi germany it was the stalinist system why did the Russian Imperial Army collapse in one to one because it did not have an Industrial Base capable of supporting it in world war 2 the red army had a massive Industrial Base that was able to sustain it and especially outstrip the output or to determining the. Certain stalin ism which we can never forget the state since a start with his in the early 19 thirties but the greatest test that stalinism was faced leave it at his it well i am god im glad you brought that up marcus because thats why we need to study history because its far more complicated than most people want to admit or even understand that is a very interesting and very difficult not to untie but youre absolutely right you know demon im glad marcus brought up the summer. 1939 because when you had the soviet union sending out feelers for some kind of. Collective security with the west. You have a juxtaposition you have a have a british delegation they set off to go to moscow but they take a slow ship and they go through the baltic and then but the nazis were picked up he got on a plane and he flew there immediately stalin knew the soviets knew that they were no goodwill from the west and at the last 2nd they made a decision you could talk about the morality of it thats fine but the geo political political aspects of this very make sense well from a moral point of view it should be admitted that almost all European Countries between 10331941 corporator with nazi germany. Was one of them unfortunately but it was not the one that won and the big lie now is that in the west we hear that it was all of the soviet union the ones who were clean no almost everyone with the exception possible exception of czechoslovakia and thats a huge lesson. Because the western powers allowed it to be broken up against International Law they were not supported sovereignty and that is the crisis of the interim National System that they bear responsibility for their demands and all the time we have marcos thank you very much Merry Christmas to you well see you in the new year many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r. T. C. In x. Time remember. My name is. Jackson. Over the border that was the. Point when you know weve got to get it out. To cause you need to move. Them nazis scoots and i use down 6 to make it very very easy to teach school on drugs used to people. Who. Know. Who cooks who falls who comes because who comes during his childhood he said its the life in music that. I love who dies because he makes me copy i love he dies because he makes me copy plane flew from. And when you go to. The do. This because this box office who loves you daryn because. I think. That i doubt. 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