Been a 3 month 3 year march to where we are today. Just spinning wheels. Well i agree with the other day i dont think theres any chance that theres going to be a fair trial in the Senate Mitch Mcconnell has already announced that on National Television that he is not an impartial juror and and you know this is a political process the impeachment process is to some degree a political process i think this is played out exactly the way that i predicted months ago on this show and it looks like thats exactly how the process will play out joe. Minority leader Chuck Schumer said that not allowing democrats to hear from the current an extra decisions in the senate trial is tantamount to a cover up by a republican certainly react to that i mean i think again thats really a bunch of ludicrous but if democrats want to hear from witnesses they should have gone to the courts to compel them to show up i mean this is i mean this is not Rocket Science this is schoolhouse rock political 101. 00 i mean if you want if we have 2 breasts of government that disagree that the tie goes to the courts and the courts will decide democrats didnt want to go to the courts because they understood inherently that a drawn out impeachment process was probably bad for them politically so they want to have their impeachment cake and eat it too you know they want to act different publicans are covering up that theyve made up our minds as if calmly harris did not see on a debate stage do gotta go so lets just dispense with the kind of you know the machinations here and the democrats have made up their minds republicans have made up their minds and ultimately you know newspapers across america will read trump acquitted or republicans cover up depending on which side of the aisle that you prescribe to you ryan. Well republicans unfortunately have been obstructing justice and obstructing congress the entire way along and so has the white house you know the subpoenas have been issued witnesses have been called and this white house in the Republican Party refuses to acknowledge any of those you know i find it shocking one of the congressmen one of the democrats just earlier today was pointing out that even in the investigation of Richard Nixon the Nixon Administration responded to all of these requests to all the subpoenas while the requests for witnesses what this Republican Party is trying to hide today what this white house is trying to hide today its obvious theyre hiding something innocent people talk guilty people they try to cover things up why do you think that james why hes so loyal to the president look i dont think its a matter of loyalty i mean i think live there i think there are many republicans who would tell you publicly that the president probably conducted himself in a manner that was not necessarily what people would be ideal for the present United States that it was probably improper and some of the interactions but the end the day when youre talking about facts if youre going to overturn the will of the people if youre going to say that we now are going to say that the 16000000 votes cast no longer matter then you have to have concrete facts the facts are the democrats did not call in the fact based witnesses who said that the president withheld dirt and withheld money in exchange for dirt that just didnt happen and they can say that the people who know werent permitted to show up but the remedy for that is to go to the courts and again so that i think that you know democrats want to have it both ways and ultimately again you can say that republicans have been lower to the president but i think also it would be disingenuous of us to pretend that the process has been played through to its fullest extent what do you make brian of the now promulgated by what again figure john dean along with White House Former white house spokesman and. The vote no bold now say the house should not send the. And to the senate to try instead to continue to investigate and let the trial hang over is head him a good idea brian. I actually think thats a very smart idea because i think whats going to happen is if the house sends these articles of impeachment if they send impeachment immediately to the senate i think its obvious that the senate is going to turn this into a Kangaroo Court where they spend more time talking about hunter biden and benghazi and hillarys emails than we do about the actual articles of impeachment that were sent their way i think the house would be a lot better suited and i think nancy pelosi should consider this she should continue drilling down they should try to call more witnesses they should put republicans on the spot if republicans have nothing to hide larry i dont know how many times we need to repeat this but innocent people who have nothing to hide tend to cooperate with investigations guilty people who are trying to hide something tend to hide something ok so if i were the house i would not send this impeachment immediately to the senate i would keep drilling down and i would keep the investigation going and see what we can uncover joe what do you think it did look i think that yes it in the interest of the process in the interest of democracy democrats should actually extend this process they should call witnesses i mean ill just push back a little bit that i mean we forget that yes bolton was subpoenaed but then democrats withdrew that subpoena so again i just have to iterate that yes in america people are innocent until Proven Guilty i think that when you confront people who are literally on the investigation in search of a crime people have a tendency to put their hackles up and so again you know when you talk about impeachment impeachment is inherently a political process it is not necessarily a partisan process this has been the most partisan impeachment in recorded history and i think that that really is what is really coming out here for better and for worse on both sides right and is there a deep state. If there were any against the president keeps saying theres a deep state were in ruin and you unfortunately larry again. Unfortunately what this president has working against him is something we call the United States constitution ok and under the United States constitution we have 3 coequal branches of government ok the president is not king that and he is not allowed to commit crimes with impunity this congress is an equal member of government ok the president is not above them in unfortunately what this president has done is he has committed crimes we do have evidence of that id like to go back to what joseph was saying we dont have any factual evidence we have people who are on the phone calls testifying under oath that what they heard was a crime we also know hes obstructed congress because he has refused to answer any subpoenas or or or answer any calls for witnesses so he has obstructed congress we know he has committed crimes even if you dont want to read the transcript for gods sake larry hes done it on national t. V. Hes asked the chinese sees asked wiki leaks hes asked the russians to interfere in the next election hes done this on National Television we dont need any more evidence hes done it on national t. V. Respond i mean i would just say that we just have to be very specific here it is already fully acknowledge that the aid was withheld and exchanged for white house visit if that is the is if that is really the bar for somebody being then peaceable offense that again there are a lot of people that could be in peace because that behavior is commonplace it to the point were saying is there a preponderance of smoke that yes it is most likely that aid was withheld in exchange for and thats all investigation yes theres a preponderance of smoke but no one has asked to testify to that fact and to say that someone has said about the fact is just not accurate moving beyond that again look at the end of the day i think we just have to drive home the point right now that this. It is a partisan process i like the fact youre talking about 3 coequal parts of 3 quote abreast of government because democrats are forgotten about the 3rd branch and they dont want to abuse that to to to to use the 3rd branch because again its not in their political best interest and so i think if were not able to just admit that very fact that were not really having that kind of an honest conversation about what is right about the process and also whats gone wrong in the process brian you think the country comes out of this stronger. Comes out of this stronger. That larry look i i have not had a lot of faith that america will come out of the Trump Presidency stronger i think were all coming out of this weaker look fortunately for this president what he did have going for him and what he inherited from the last president thank you president obama is a very Strong Economy and a great country to live in we already had that in place what we have now is a country where people are ashamed to be who they are you have minorities who are ashamed to be who they are you have you have president s of the United States speaking about fellow americans in the most despicable ways possible the kind of language and behavior that i would not want to see in a bar room at 2 oclock in the morning on a saturday let alone in the white house and thats all d on president donald j. Trump and we all know that we knew before we elected him the man is not a good man hes just not a good man and he has not proven anything since to redeem himself or gain any kind of faith or confidence in the American People so were going to come out of this weaker but i think that was going to be the case the entire time. And i mean look i think that the reality is that with impeachment everybody loses most the the people of this country were going to be more divided at the end of this 1st term of president from that weve ever been before and yes some of that onus does fall on the president when you talk about the rhetoric when you talk about all of those things but you have to push back a little bit talking about inherited an economy because you know i as someone who in my Political Engagement began with president george h. W. Bush i never remember anyone calling the clinton surplus a product of the actual tax the tax changes that were made by george w. Bush so i think this new trend here where we talk about the economy 3 years after its in been inherited as the reality of somebody that came previous i think is a little misguided but ultimately again we as a nation have the opd and the onus is on us to come together as a people. And that this nation has never been about one man and that the that obligation to foster us in the fact that we have people that can even enjoy a christmas dinner together because of the present irrespective of their opinions on them positive or negative really i think it falls to us to try to find a way forward for us and would you say the president has done a good job of getting his policies through not necessarily look i mean what is this president done for the United States aside from pass a massive tax cut package that pretty much as done nothing to stimulate middle class pockets absolutely nothing and thats just what republicans always do they passed tax cuts i mean again he inherited a Strong Economy to begin with he inherited unemployment that was already trending towards record lows he inherited all of these good things from the Obama Administration how much policy is he gotten through he promised he was going to build a wall and make mexico pay for he hasnt built anything and mexico is not paying for it ok promise to ban muslims it just wacky talk crazy talk he hasnt done that he also promised to cut taxes and he has so at least given that much to tell him the you know joes opinion both thank you very much thanks being with and son politicking good to be here. Thanks larry well have more right after the break. Aeroflot russian and lights. You know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy its time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that Mainstream Media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bath shouting past each other its time for Critical Thinking its time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. Aeroflot russian and lights. Well it finally happened donald trump has been impeached by the house of representatives in complete opposition to what the founders had in vision the articles voted on were along party lines it is highly unlikely the senate will vote to remove the president from office so what is the point of this entire exercise. Well get back to politicking can Donald Trump Senate impeached. And unbiased for this we talk with a guy lewis former United States attorney who joins us from miami can the senate conduct a fair unbiased trial guy larry i think they can in terms of at least presenting the evidence and going through the motions but look lets be frank we sit here today and we pretty much know how the senators are going to vote its turned into a sort of a partisan. Trial and therefore theres not a lot of guesswork here like there would be in a regular trial. What surprises you the most about this im teaching process. To be honest i look as a prosecutor a prosecutor a lot of cases for a long time 20 plus years we we would spin before we would actually fire the bullet in other words charge we would spend more time investigating interviewing witnesses looking at documents that kind of thing so i think that theyre moving a little too quick for me for my blood so i gather you do not think the president has committed an impeachable offense. I dont in terms of a conviction look. Should you ask questions was it appropriate to raise some red flags i dont have any problem with that be honest with you but sort of the way this things on hold it in terms of democrats versus republicans i just i dont personally i dont think thats what the constitution calls for. Do you have any problem with the process. I did larry. Listen i think that both sides and really i go back and i look at the nixon. Investigation and i look at the clinton investigations and ive sort of compared and theres nothing really to compare with in this case. We in except for example youll remember this there was a special prosecutor he brought in witnesses there was the john dean moment it took time the case was litigated some of the issues and we just simply have not had that here the same with with the course clinton and ken starr and his report and his investigation do you think the president has done anything inappropriate. Well i do think if he had to do over again he probably would have done it differently what makes it different here and again i look at this with the with the glasses of a prosecutor on who who did this look he had 20 people on the phone he was open and the tourist about it. But that being said hes opened himself up politically to this kind of and the country i just dont think this thing has been good for the country and its created a lot of discord i dont lock it in july donald trump declared that article 2 of the constitution gives him the right to do whatever i want to stress and you grew then dont i dont and frankly. Look the thing if i was advising if i was the president s lawyer not that hed listen to me he seems to have his own mind about a lot of these things i would ask him to be a little more careful a little more cautious with his language id ask him to hold off on the tweets think about it for a few minutes count to 10 before you send out some of these tweets because they just seemed dig a hole form youre a former u. S. Attorney Rudy Giuliani was and former u. S. Attorney what do you make of his actions in all of this well i think hes hes working hard on the president s behalf but again. A little more caution a little more care not be an order. You got to know with this kind of case youre going to get scrutiny beyond scrutiny and so you got to be careful about what you say and what you do you cant be a bull in a china clause sometimes like you can in some cases and in this case look i think hes fighting hard for the president i think the president probably locks what hes doing for the most part but you know its like a doctors hippocratic oath youre not supposed to make things worse and every now and then i think hes done that do you think he should testify before congress. I dont in terms of the the impeachment trial thats going to occur in the senate its interesting larry because i thought a lot about this how should the trial what should happen how it should unfold be honest with you given the record what the way the record exists currently if i was advised the president said mr president lets prepare a motion to dismiss lets argue that the charges are insufficient the facts are insufficient to support the charges under the constitution and lets tie it up for a quick vote and lets get the heck out of here. How would you want to suppose you were the prosecutor of the senate how would you trust a cute. Boy thats a good case thats a good question so so what i would do is i would prepare a very because i dont think i dont think Mitch Mcconnell is going to let them call in witnesses frankly and start trying to reinvent or reinforce the record as it currently exists so as the prosecutor boy thats a good question i put in heres what id do id put it id have. A killer Powerpoint Presentation with clips and excerpts i would have. A really visual graphics and things that would show heres our evidence heres why the facts support it and frankly id spend time on the law too because i think that may be part of where the real weakness lies here is whether or not the law here actually supports the impeachment as its defined in the constitution would you try to bring your own witnesses forward. I probably would as a prosecutor i would try to but i just dont think mcconnell is going to allow it i think that theyre going to go through and theyre going to say listen you. All of created this record in the house gerry natl or this is what you guys have presented to us and and were going to look at it sort of like a court of appeals would not allow you to supplement the record if you will and make your case stronger so i think theyre going to have a tough time trying to call additional witnesses do you see any permanent damage of this to the United States. Boy larry another good question 2 thoughts that ive had as ive sort of analyzed this thing and watched it one were going to get through this we being the country boy oh boy weve been through so much as a country wars great wars civil war just all kind of issues not i believe i firmly believe the country Strong Enough to to withstand this issue but i do think in terms of damage at least in the short term. The allegations here and the prosecution if you will i just dont think its exactly what the framers intended i mean they use the words treason which calls for a Death Penalty serious as you get. Bribery high crimes and misdemeanors and im not sure these 2 counts these 2 charges fall close enough within that kind of language that framework guy lewis thank you for your time today i hope youll come back as all this plays out. Glad to thank you larry were big fans we love you a lot thank you before we go one table out the next episode of politicking ill speak with one on one russian scholar steven cohen about how trends impeachment is playing out in russia and ukraine heres a look at part of that interview was was going on in the United States hows it playing in russia they interpret. These charges against trump as being launched because trump ran and he was elected on a program of quote cooperating with russia theres one other thing ill mention to you and then ill stop among young people i mean people that say 18 to 35 from my point of view thats young. Theres a disillusionment because these people many of whom were very proamerican they wanted russia to become more like america but now they read every day about allegations that our intelligence agencies have been off the reservation have been manipulating american politics have been doing bad things well they grew up in a system where thats what the russian intelligence agencies do so they had thought unlike in russia intelligence agencies dont do that in america now theyre being told not by russia but by American News reports which are broadcast in russia that thats happening here so the reaction in russia is i would say very profound how do you explain the trump putin relationship. Well you know this is very funny because last night i read in a newspaper that trump has said all these remarkably affectionate i think they use those words affectionate words about putin and i have a file at home which is called trump on putin putin on trumped you know things they said about each other the only thing that i can find that trump ever said had in a really positive way about putin was and i remember when he said it he said putin is a strong leader well thats true what is he supposed to say putins a weak leader that would be untrue i dont find that pandering or subversive or treasonous i mean what do we want i mean its almost as though were no longer grown up do we want the president of the United States to curse at the occupant of the kremlin the other superpower i mean ever since the advent of atomic weapons and president eisenhower every american president has attempted to do diplomacy with whoever sits in the kremlin to keep us safe from war conceivably nuclear war and we applauded that and by the way larry heres an interesting thing the biggest episodes of what we call detente that is cooperating with the kremlin were presided over by republican president s right eisenhower correct nixon and finally Ronald Reagan who had the biggest cooperation detente of all so you could argue though im not sure trumps aware of this but he ought to Say Something about it he is squarely in the republican tradition of cooperating with russian my end of the view is Stephen Ayres and the next episode of politicking and i hope you join me for it. 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