Good evening welcome you watching r. T. And. Being kicked out of all International Sporting events for the next 4 years punishment so says the World Antidoping Agency for tampering the king database of test results from russian athletes correspondent he was at waters press conference in the. What are officials announcing a unilateral decision over a 4 year ban on russia taking part in major sporting events during that period meaning that russian athletes wont be able to compete and the ban over russia nor will they be able to fly the russian flag at those major events those major events could include tokyo 2020 and also the world athletics championships is also suggestion that this could impact the football world cup in 2022 russia will be able to host nor be able to bid for any major sporting events during that 4 year period russian officials wont be able to go in an official capacity to those games nor will officials in russia be able to sit on the boards of major sporting committees all boards during that time when they were questioned about what that would mean for russian athletes who didnt have any cloud of suspicion over them when it came to doping allegations they said that each russian athlete would have to prove their innocence this is a ban against russia the protect the rights of russian each. Entry for major events. Able to demonstrate that they are not implicated in any we. Comply what is important to these decisions. Are really sanctioning those who are responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open to those who had nothing to do with. Russia clean. Plates well what a says its investigation was the sale date was forensic and not investigation showed that the data itd received from a moscow lobbying question had it believed to be tampered with this was that data from a moscow lab relating to information from 2012 to 2015 while the said that that was dated didnt match the data it into. Sieved from the whistleblower which started this big scandal but what i went further and said during that time in moscow in 2808 experts say that they had also seen that all the data had been tampered with and thats why theyve taken this decision from the date it received 145 athletes they were able to pinpoint that had had a question mark over them were not sure if they were in russia a lot but it said the only around a 3rd of those athletes were currently active now a russian officials have a very different story to this they say that the data that was handed over. Hadnt been tampered with that they had applied to all of the conditions and stipulations set out by wada and as a result of fans who saw that which is the russia thing agency would be a feeling based decision on i asked to present what a response on that russia says its rejected all of the allegations of data manipulation it says its provided you evidence to counter to show that it didnt modify the data what do you have to say to that and was that taken account in your decision well i wasnt part of the c. R. C. Discussion but i do know is that it was close cooperation between the water experts under russian im not sure what conversations they had was what example of the Russian Olympic Committee or rosado but those people who are interested in title to under the standard to appeal and if they wish to appeal they have 21 days to accept this secession or not and if they do not if they wish to appeal then we will be in cash pride right disease clearly is technical you need to be a friend jake. And we passed it on immediately sure say thank you very much it does not change the opinion that the well received. They will appeal that decision meaning that this is like you know to end up in the court of arbitration for that court to decide who is right and who is wrong on this particular topic for the meantime though one perhaps ray of light water officials did say today that they was a possibility of changing this decision and that possibility rested on the 4 attempted data being provided by that law in moscow something that the russians say they have already done. For all to see. And. Various Russian Sports federations have been quick to question this decision. Those decisions a biased inexplicably there to politicize them prejudged punishing russia is the state which was connected to this story without showing any credible evidence is an absolutely normal Transparent Organization punishing the states and clean sportsmen and women why should that be considered fair. But im absolutely sure its wrong to punish and impose severe sanctions against those 100 percent meeting every one. Committee requirement. What is this is and is unfair its wrong to treat sports men and women on the basis of their nationality i believe all sports participants have the right to represent their country on the International Arena of course has been reaction from the sporting world to the verdict the case Anti Doping Agency has welcomed this decision saying its the only possible outcome but the head of the United StatesAntidoping Agency has said that the measures taken by water are not enough he branded russias escape from a complete ban a devastating blow to clean our fleet on the rule of law the same reaction was shared in fact by orders vice president. I wanted a complete ban but we had 2 choices and i supported as long as we could get today im afraid that if we supported. Or didnt support the c. R. C. That the i. O. C. Would water it. But it was decision is left plenty of unanswered questions. Imagine a person that robs a bank steals lets say a 1000000. 00 gets caught gets prison time gets out like a near your early for Good Behavior but then the police tells him you know were not sure you actually stole 1000000 maybe youre stole more so were going to push imprison back again well that is basically the logic which the World Antidoping Agency applied to the whole nation of russia in their decision on monday to ban the country from major sports competitions in the world saying that the russian athletes can compete individually but they have to again prove that they have not used any kind of doping this is a by and against russia the protect the rights of russian each. Entry for me. To demonstrate that they are not implicated in any way he. Complied what is important thing to these decisions is that we are really sanctioning those who are responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open for those who had nothing to do with we dipping scandal in russia clean. Innocent outlets. Of the youth the new me im the position of the Russian Olympic Committee stays the same the sanctions are inadequate not logical and too severe we would do our best for the Russian Olympic Team to participate in the Upcoming Games in japan under the colors of the russian tricom law due to the terms of the olympic charter. Whether someone committed a crime fair enough he or she should be punished for that but it is quite unclear how exactly stripping a nation of its flag in major sports competitions across the planet can actually solve the problem of fighting against doping you know. To be prudent. And you dont do too you guilty into the concrete. You could be reduced to justice system. Its always been that way you gotta think about whats on the World Antidoping Agency has jurisdiction but it doesnt add jurisdiction to the russian authorities they come sanction Russian Politicians russian. You know the consequent politicians can it all it can do essentially resell it and take actions relative to schools so its come up with this International Standard to code compliance by signatories which is used to sanction russia this time around and its come up with these sanctions as a way of putting pressure on the earth or its used to come clean which they still havent done on top of everything it seems that what his decision from monday was made in such a haste that they have no clue how to actually navigate in that decision the biggest example of that is probably the situation with your wife for anthy for tolerance where were you where you quite expected that. These sanctions will not affect in any way russian part of the upcoming euro. 1st of all its a continental tournament not of world qualification for or for could part when you 2. Is again within the competence of your for and if you represent you are from and it presents a continental part but should it make it to the 2022 world cup in qatar it may be stripped of its flag of its anthem and it may be participating as a neutral country all athletes around the world should feel very much concerned with what has happened because were talking about collective punishment where dont involve the athletes who will be humiliated because of certain discrepancies. In the work of their. Limping. Association even the reason google well there are many ways to say dramatic decision which will being. Very determined till the whole world vand the want to will be damage these are the athletes athletes those athletes are absolutely clean those circum buried in among the best in the world and this want to just in series about and if youre not yet confused enough they already said directly that should russia appeal to cas the court for arbitration of sports and this process takes longer than the official preparation for next summers olympics russia will go to next summers olympics in tokyo as a full fledged nation but then if the ban is implemented late it might miss out on the 2024 summer Olympic Games in paris so this is all surrounded by a lot of confusion and at the same time russia says that its not planning to give up the sports minister of the country by vocal of course insists the. All the information for the reinstatement of that has been provided to the water Antidoping Agency so. Our experts have provided convincing on unfortunately they havent heard there has time to appeal but initially when we handed over the database we said lets investigate the database together so we can make a full decision we wanted to have the kind of mechanism if we would want to live ject of decision it was lets do it like this was saddam has all the necessary opportunities we could have taken a different approach. From whichever side you look at it mondays decision by water looks like a vocal and very harsh indictment of Russian Sports it might sound shock waves and reverberations in the country sport for many years to come but it might actually be the beginning of a new struggle of a new battle the legal one when russia takes its case to the court of arbitration for sports in laws and switzerland and we are expecting this to be made quite quickly before the end of this year. R. T. Reporting from moscow. Im going to speak live now to gregory in need this is an anti doping litigation expert Sheffield Hallam university very good evening to you and i want to dig into this play to your strengths lets talk about the legal points 1st of all Jonathan Taylor who spoke a lot todays meeting on behalf of the executive committee of water he said those who could prove their innocence should not be punished those who could prove their innocence that goes flies completely in the face of the presumption of innocence principle a legal principle adopted all around the world recognised by the United Nations can want to do that and is it even if it can is that fair and just. This is a difficult question to ask to answer him thank you for having me on the program it is unfair to a certain extent to actually ask anderson not less to demonstrate theyre not implicated by the noncompliance of should they wish to complete those nutrients better than a person might have been must remain here with the World Antidoping Agency being the persecuting authority over such and such innocent awful it should not be in a position where they have to demonstrate usually we have to ration about an impractical variance well theyre not implicated in my opinion again respect for limits of science against fairness and justice and sense the wrong message to a lawful thats and the limbic movement as a whole. This is a punitive action against the law folks including the innocent ones im not convinced the reason may go more in just if occasion arise if its not this particular with theres no evidence of malpractise against them what do you think the view will be of the code of arbitration for sport are they likely to back up the presumption of guilt. It is very difficult to actually predict a decision made by the perpetration. To make the least absolutely clear if the court for victory and push forward will actually have to look at the evidence presented by both sides in this case that will come to doping agency and not so. If an appeal goes. Before the court for the duration of sports and this is always an evidence based exercise so it is important for both parties the prosecuting authority in this case who also. Was actually defending the allegations to corroborate be Available Evidence to insure. Against organized nations or individuals makes the legitimate claim. The governing body in this case whether. Im right in thinking they will be applying the cast will be applying the laws and regulations of of wada is there anywhere beyond cast that russia could appeal to if they wanted to get that kind of presumption of innocence that they have read a persons use to the parties in this this particular World Antidoping Agency and have accepted the regulations so. Obviously they have to follow movements regulations safe either of the parties and really happy with a decision that is a fair there are going to grow bigger without the for the record court in switzerland this is a court to bring sickly. Purely on the lives procedural mark they were short of points from flow part this in a copy where. Theres another scenario that its created whereby you could have a completely innocent russian athletes competing in major sporting events but been going to be denied the right to see acknowledge their own nationality there will be performing without the National Flag present all the National Anthem being played effectively stripped of nationality again is that a legal thing that has to be accepted by the athletes. Well as i said a great director and sarah will. Be a great to actually have by the regulations currently in for some time so were i would say probably. All of the time that a glacier and star applied. On a unilateral basis but the fact that there is that they have accepted those regulations they need to be abide by them now this may be raising a human rights issue whether. Theyre going to raise this before the court of protection for sport but im not entirely certain but we have to accept that there is a political element involved and so this is in many king to say she will allow me that such Decision Making by the world on the doping agency is predominantly based on the motive issues and this is evident from this on greenfield roches response by. This point im not prepared to dismiss the rise of fitness and not as a place personally i was of men were pretty clear they want a normative environment created by the regulator in this case and decided that the assistance of performance enhancing substances and the systems we have some sort of Collateral Damage whereby innocent lets. Deny it by their will and good looking agency and theyve been. Theyre not being given the right to actually carry their own National Club each talked about the political element to this its been discussed is this being politicized. Surely it is isnt it when when wada say its a government of a nation thats the blind theyd like the russian government theyve even gone so far as to ban russian government officials or any of that represents is from attending may just sporting events theyve made it clear they blame the politicians is there a problem here that water actually doesnt have the power is to punish the politicians that they believe are guilty. Well in essence theyre sending the message its i think its its a struggle of power here sending a message to the russian government that they cannot interfere oversleep with the administration or the operation of the process of the overall doping control process that there is and i think theyre actually applying of a ambiguous morrow and a motive crusade here and theyre ones who suffer in terms of Collateral Damage that is are they russian the innocent russian outlets and they have to suffer because some of their troops and their lead there are certain not complying with the common person saying you have to accept here we all have to accept here we dont really have these huge with the evidence presented against your side. Who have violated the regulations need to be punished and with us the action we take with a blanket against all russia and not lets its like saying that every single one of them has been sitting and this is not right its truly shameful and im right in saying that this is an unprecedented event that waters there on an uncharted territory. Would you agree with that. To a certain extent yes then the one aspect we need to be familiar with various of the jurisdictional issue because as you know the international Olympic Committee is responsible for guys in the n. B. A. Games and they have ultimately been jurisdiction to actually decide who comes in and who goes out with the creation of new regulations while they nest and such will be forcing them out there on behalf of the i. O. C. Is so i personally will be. Extremely surprised or i would say i would expect with great anticipation to see what the i. O. C. Is response which will point in the essence of what its doing its like saying im going to come into your house take the case away from you and i will decide who comes in and who goes out. A real pleasure to speak to appreciated your Expert Opinion gregory any of this antidoping litigation expert at Sheffield Hallam university thank you. Andy. Staying with this story some sports personalities express fear that could be motivates a generation of future athletes. How can you. Not only ban its hard teammate that entire sports what a country for 4 years its awfully ridiculous its an overkill this little water should do its job and do with claims concerning individual athletes not with the country as a whole they have a dream like god the it so there was 18 years old to go to the little sort of. Pay for their food for the love of this boy for the love of their country and try to be the one of the best dont want to do. What. The school is being dragged down by politics in a place where politics should be completely absent sport is becoming costly. Influence of politics intensely in this desire to disqualify the whole National Team why does decision to. Everybody and will cause great shock. Anyway that i would say that the decisions either politicized would just incorrect. What kind of message is out sunday to our children and you always talk about. The youth our mission because that is tomorrow well when you ban the whole culture from participating to kill all out of you. I think that 1st and foremost this will affect children and their interest in sport. Our children have taken their future away with they want to do what they love away because of what a couple individuals did in the past are just i mean its ludicrous that doesnt make any sense at all. I will of course b. S. Thing with this story bring you more analysis throughout the day stay with us for that. And in other news the socalled normandy 4 summit in paris is taking a temporary break after more than 2 hours of discussion during that time that president putin and his new ukrainian counterpart are been holding their 1st ever face to face by lateral talks after that the main summit will resume for now really between has been taking a closer look at why these discussions are so important. This monday is a very big day here at the palace in paris its a very big day for europe very big day for ukraine just a short while ago we saw the french president and manual macron welcoming his guests from Ukraine Russia and germany the 1st one to arrive was angle of merkel then it was full dimmers and then korean president and ill tell you what we couldnt even understand if it was him for a moment because he came in on a plane. Minivan and the last of the 4 leaders to arrive was Vladimir Putin just an hour before that though a group of topless femen activists thought that they could try and spoil the day. Let me just break down why the number one politicians from 4 countries are holding talks and that building ill tell you what technically the bloody conflict between the breakaway republics of donetsk and lugansk and kiev has been solved but theres one important remark its been solved on paper now this step by step plan that several years ago was hammered out by the leaders of Ukraine Russia france and germany its called the minsk agreements and i can tell you that for all these years from east to west from all kinds of politicians weve been hearing that this plan is the only way to go to support the implementation of the minsk agreement because the reasonable alternative when be exists in my opinion this is the only way they can create a climate in Ukrainian Society where they were able to make painful compromises regarding the states and so must. I agree with them ive also said was there is no other alternatives and you can point to the way the 6 agreements with help of the embassy you. However if we look at whats really been happening on the ground in reality pretty much none of the steps were actually taken and now there is a new chance theres a new government in kiev and thats why the quartet is getting together for the 1st time since 2016 but more importantly we are expecting the 1st ever meeting between the president of russia and the president of ukraine since the civil war in that country broke out in 2014 just after the latest places of the table the ukrainian president forgot to turn for a joint photograph his french and russian counterpart reminded him of the protocol lets not forget this is an excuse for such meeting normally for summit leaders will hold a press Conference Following talks and we will be crossing live to that later for updates. In the meantime a former foreign minister told us that the summit is an important move in the right direction. Any decision that you take on the level of Foreign Policy in particular when its such a delicate issue it always has. The mastic implication that thats very evident in particular in that period so i do wish all dogs hold all the very best to be able to start something and stand to wait for the dynamic that it can evolve but from what we have seen been seen over the last few months we already can detect some sort of new dynamic thats not thats not anymore the complete in names that have been movements on the military Level Exchange of. People who were detained so something is going on what i have always said what is very important in diplomacy is that certain things happen. 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