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Because i think a sort of compassion fatigue. It is hard to communicate because i think a sort of compassion fatigue sets in and people didnt seem to be as interested in the wider world as they used faults in and people didnt seem to be as interested in the wider world as they used for the point of view of a unicef ambassador i think we just have to keep at it for the point of view of unicef ambassador i think we just have to keep at it and who says its also very dangerous news organizations are going to says its also very dangerous news organizations are. And dont want to risk or to take the risk of sending people to the. Dont want to risk or to take the risk of sending people to these dangerous places that they go to syria they go to very dangerous places dangerous places that they go to syria they go to very dangerous places. I mean a news editor at one of our mainstream broke i mean a news editor at one of our mainstream broker theyre not going to be sitting there seeing the fried because theyre fried pictures of the famine or theyre not going to be sitting there seeing the fried because theyre fried pictures of the famine coming through and cholera and so on and them just going you know coming through and color and so on and them just going you know modern baby on about this but we shouldnt put this on the headline of the news modern baby on about this but we shouldnt put this on the headlines of the news syria is is is an interesting perspective and syria is is is an interesting perspective and lloyd should have of the times who to me is the best war correspondent doubt operating with that of the times who to me is the best war correspondent doubt operating with a few years ago and coming out of aleppo he got kidnapped by his old mind only a few years ago and coming out of aleppo he got kidnapped by his old mind own mind shot in both his ankles and was very lucky to survive and all the aligned shot in both his ankles and was very lucky to survive and all the other would be rolled war reporters took notice of that and a lot of reports of gunfire would be rolled more reporters took notice of that and a lot of reports done are from across the border 2030 miles distance from fairly safe place now or from across the border 2030 miles distance from very safe places but of course unicef are in yemen this is one of the reasons but of course unicef are in yemen this is one of the reasons i love them they are their. Partners i mean they are i love them they are their. Partners i mean they are. Theyre active on the ground and very very few organizations are because havent been theyre active on the ground and very very few organizations are because havent been intimidated out of it. You know i support them because they are there intimidated out of it. You know i support them because they are there theyre there before the cameras arrive and theyre there after the cameras leave theyre there before the cameras arrive and theyre there after the cameras leave and thats true of a lot of other countries too do you fear for unicef and thats true of a lot of other countries too do you fear for unicef. Still off life i fear for the stuff especially the rick still off live i fear for the stuff especially the recruited stuff minute locally recruited stuff its there its there its their country its its tough minutes local recruits its tough its their its their its their country and there are a lot of un staff have been killed kidnapped and there are a lot of un staff have been killed kidnapped there. In somalia in south sudan there. In somalia in south sudan i dont think weve been living in such a generous time in all the years i was reporting most and then think weve been living in such a generous time in all the years i was reporting most but again another super the tip of the health but again another super the tip of the health the World Health Organization claiming 1000000 suspected color cases the worst color the World Health Organization claiming 1000000 suspected color cases the worst cholera outbreak in the history i was shattered when i saw those figures outbreak in the history. I was shattered when i saw those figures im sure theyre im sure theyre right theres no theres no disease can im sure theyre im sure theyre right theres no theres no Disease Control theres very little sanitation and freshwater ease of the conditions troll theres very little sanitation and fresh water use of the conditions in a relatively waterless country in which disease flourishes. And in a relatively waterless country in which disease flourishes and the fact that it was a old british colony that doesnt help get the message through and the fact that it was a old british colony that doesnt help get the message through it was part of it was an old british colony if you remember there were 2 yemens dolphins it was part of it was an old british colony if you remember there were 2 yemens north and south and the british colony was was south yemen and of course the british were involved in the in the late sixties rather notoriously in the stars and the british colony was was south yemen and of course a british were involved in the in the late sixties rather than a tory sleigh in the i think you got to be quite old as i am to remember when it was a ive actually be to the british i think youve got to be quite old as i am to remember when it was a ive actually be to the British Cemetery in agent south yemen beautifully kept but its all such a long just symmetry and age and south yemen beautifully kept but its all such a long time ago and only old people like me remember the precious link to the un itself time ago and only old people like me remember the precious link the un itself said in september claiming that the brits. Maybe said in september claiming that the brits. May be complicit in war crimes. Do you think that its difficult to in war crimes. Do you think that its difficult now for unicef i know oxfam has been particularly on the line about attacking called now for unicef i know oxfam has been particularly on the line about attacking government is it difficult for n. G. O. S right now to remain political government is it difficult for n. G. O. S right now to remain politically impartial in such a comfort it is difficult and at this point i will take off my eunice. At 3 impartial in such a comb for it is there for gold and at this point i will take off my unicef at spirit allowed to do that i mean allowing myself to do that and i think weve reached up to the spirit allowed to do that i mean allowing myself to do that i think weve reached a point firstly not for the but the unions have had long when we have to say it wasnt firstly not for the but the unions have had long when we have to seriously impose a total ban on arms sales to the saudis it causes it to impose a total ban on arms sales to the saudis because the targeting of the society of force has been as shall we say approximately in the last 3 years the targeting of the society of force has been as shall we say approximately in the last 3 years i actually resigned from an Advisory Committee of a ideas i actually resigned from an Advisory Committee of a and it was funny company because they were about to get involved in this i said no this is called stop and its funny company because they were about to get involved in this i said no this is called stop well as you know the British Government says it has one of the most robust arms could well as you know the British Government says it has one of the most robust arms control regimes in the world when it comes to exporting arms and indeed appealed the decentralization eams in the world when it comes to exporting arms and indeed appealed the decision in the courts here that attempted to stop u. K. Arm sales well it isnt in the courts here that tended to stop u. K. Arms sales well again with my unicef off i would say that we have a robust brigade with my unicef hats off i would say that we have a robust regime of selling arms until we dont and suddenly you find things a slipping through which has emerged selling arms until we dont and suddenly you find things a slipping through which shouldnt. Ive got to ask you finally on a question aside from shouldnt. Ive got to ask you finally on a question aside from unicef we are headed for a general election maybe that will have an impact on policy on him but unicef we are headed for a general election maybe that will have an impact on policy on yemen i dont know if you were the 1st independent m. P. Since 951 of them and i dont know if you were the 1st independent m. P. Since 951 who was elected as everyone now talking about independent candidates did you pave the way for the electorate everyone now talking about independent candidates did you pave the way for these new him independent iran today its not aligned to any political i always knew him independent i landed its not aligned to any political i was able as amazed to get him of unicef off in the last months i mean arguable as amazed to get him of unicef off in the last months i mean i was the i was the 1st independent as you say for nearly 50 years i should say that used to do that and he was the 1st independent you say for nearly 50 years i should say that used to Anti Corruption i did i did indeed and i had sort of the time id done a bit of good im not sure option i did i did indeed and i had sort of the time i had done a bit of good im not sure in the long term that i did but now there are there have been about 35 of them in the long term that i did but now there are there have been about 35. 00 of them and i think its a very good talking about will be out supporting were they on the independence of the Comeback Campaign want and i think its a very good talking about will be out supporting were they on the independence of the Comeback Campaign launched on on saturday theres a lot to be said in the present for thats how the state of politics shown on saturday theres a lot to be said on the present vote its our state of politics to have members of parliament who represent the people and not the party bottom bell thank you they have members of parliament who represent the people and not the party bottom bell thank you well now lets go to town on yemen to hear from a journalist who has witnessed atrocities in yemen well now. Lets go to some in yemen to hear from a journalist who has witnessed the trial cities in yemen from for. Sustainable because he joins me now thanks for coming back on joining us jurist model remind us what the role of the rebels be in love bringing. In yemen 1st of all 1st because of all that is a political role voted. In the war on yemen by i suppose a political role for the. U. K. In the war on yemen by supporting saudis in the International Community in the Human Rights Panel that youre thin. In the International Community in the Human Rights Panel that you and others all you and Security Council and theres a military role with you and Security Council and theres a military role with. Channel 4 a report have said that the british. Channel 4 reports have said that the british. Can side by side with the times today they will not be a can side by side with the times today they will not be able actually without that help they want to be able to conduct that massive struggle actually without that help they want to be able to conduct that massive strikes on yemen as well their main support actually is when the united. As well their main support actually is when the United Kingdom has blocked that oft twice to end them has blocked that oft twice to form an International Investigation team to be sent into yemen you see the British Foreign and International Investigation team to be sent into yemen you see the British Government says it wants to sell more arms to saudi arabia which of course are the government says it won. To sell more arms to saudi arabia which of course are then used to bomb yemen they back something called the joint Incident Assessment Team used to bomb yemen they back something called the joint Incident Assessment Team i know the United Nations is criticize them but they they say for instance the book and i know the United Nations is criticize them but they they say for instance the bombing of an m. S. F. Hospital was a mistake where is all meaning of an m. S. F. Hospital was a mistake where is i think you and others claim that there is a deliberate attempt at killing civilians i think you and others claim that there is a deliberate attempt at killing civilians by british back governments in yemen i dont believe by british back governments in yemen i dont believe it could be called a mistake because there will actually should not be a it could be called a mistake because there will actually should not be i mistake to try to get to a hospital. Where that. Mistake to get to a hospital. Where that. Hospital here in yemen marked honest hospital here in yemen marked on as well as the coordinates out of it being given to saudi arabia and the saudi lets call it was the coordinates out of it being given to saudi arabia and the Saudi Led Coalition i believe that thats all he actually is used in this coded given to deliberately thought to get it on i believe that thats all he actually is used in this coded given to deliberately thought to get those also because they have thought to get some city the heart of with clusters of those also because they have thought to get some city the heart of with cluster bombs i believe said he 30 years ago they have thought a good school bombs. The 30 years ago they have thought of good schools in sa itself in many cities they have targeted all roads all infrastructure power station inside of in many cities they have targeted all roads all infrastructure power station the war in yemen actually is a big mistake on unite can do actually should not. The war in yemen actually is a big mistake on unite can do actually should not. And this and this world in yemen more than 15000 has been killed by and this and this world in yemen more than 15000 has been killed by direct strike 280000 give many civilians many of they died in a strike 280000 give many civilians many of them children have died from but event of a disease like malaria and put it out unicef have saved lives children have died from but event of a disease like malaria and put it out unicef have saved one child die every 10 minutes because of those but even to build diseases that has actually only one child die every 10 minutes because of those the event to build diseases that has actually only come after this over the war on blockade on yemen thats why i believe that yemenis weve come after this over the war on blockade on yemen so i believe that yemenis will not forgive forget what they might kingdom has done to them because if there was no simple not for forget what they might kingdom has done to them because if there was no support tonight to condemn all the us i dont think thats how the war against them and go tonight although you as i do think thats how the award i get them and well it sounds well from here Doctors Without Borders may not like them but who is then the well it sounds well from here Doctors Without Borders may not like them but who is then the u. K. Back jointed to the nz Assessment Team actually this is a team that is appointed by so you came back jointed to the nz Assessment Team actually this is a team that is appointed by saudi arabia so you can imagine what type of person has been appointed the city at a. B. S. So you can imagine. What type of person has been appointed to so did they have actually been brought up pointed that team that has assassinated how did they have actually been brought up pointed that team that has assassinated. Them and no one knows what is his body i believe that they will not come. Down on no one knows what is his body i believe that they will not come to any decision to directly condemn or die to any decision to directly condemn or directly held that saudi accountable well saudi arabia this week oh cynically held that saudi accountable well saudi arabia this week hosts an Investment Conference called the davos in the desert bank of america the schroeders Investment Conference called the davos in the desert bank of america or the schroeders brazil solved the b. B. C. s nick gowing trumps on inaugural ball sonora Brazil Software and the b. B. C. s nick gowing trumps on inaugural cushman citi group may just be secret sweet will i am. Citi group may just be secret sweet will i am pop stores. Are all these banks there because theres money to be made out of the bombing of yemen. Or all these banks there because theres money to be made out of the bombing of yemen yeah of course as long as this war in yemen weve seen that the United States yeah of course as long as this war in yemen weve seen that the United States and United Kingdom autumn deals is depend on creating conflict on wars in many United Kingdom out of deals as they bend on creating conflict on wars in many areas they start with afghanistan by supporting al qaida and i believe those type of meeting areas that they start with afghanistan by supporting al qaida and i believe those type of meetings and so we did bring in many businessmen or our bubble started or if there are things and so we did bring in. Many business men or our bubble started or if there are 2 saudi arabia is is because thats all we. Call it is the idea is it because thats all we. Call it is the milking cows because saudi have money because so you have the oil the milking cows because saudi have money because so you have the oil thats why i believe saudi will continue in its war on its primary against them so i believe saudi will continue in its war on its primary against them and there was a record 5 percent increase in oil prices on the day of the when there was a record 5 percent increase in oil prices on the day of the hoofy retaliation on the around of a city in saudi arabia who fear retaliation on the around the city in saudi arabia when should we expect the next strikes on Saudi Oil Facilities when should we expect the next strikes on Saudi Oil Facilities to be honest but i can tell you if there will be an attack to be honest im not sure but i can tell you if there will be an attack thats going to come it will be a huge and major attack and it could break thats going to come it will be a huge and major attack and it could break saudi because. They have announced about 2 months ago saudi because. They have announced about 2 months ago a truce from one side until now the saudi has not responded to this to a truce from one side until now the saudi has not responded to the studios that is not our port which exports 95 percent of the saudi all that is not our port which exports 95 percent of the Saudi Oil Production and you can imagine if and i decided to know you will go to doctor and you can in. If he decided to look old to take that out i believe it would be devastating. To take that. I believe that would be devastating devastating abia they believe that the world will come to end if United States stated abia they believe that the world will come to end if United States believes they want to keep it on in saudi come by or the type of believes they want to keep it on in so saudi come by or that type of love is where we invite the saudi ambassador to london and of course all these bankers and what we invite the saudi ambassador to london and of course all these bankers and people that visit the us in the desert this week alone we all do this show people that visit the us in the desert this week alone we all do this show who say no because thank you thank you very much after the break as you say now because thank you thank you very much after the break as india prepares to formally divide jumbling kashmir really dont go in violence what has been the legacy approaches to formally divide jungle in kashmir really dont go in violence what has been the legacy of lord mountbatten 40 years since his assassination by the ira. 40 years since his assassination by the ira all the similar coming about to him going underground. All the similar coming up about to him going underground. If these but. If these banks like j. P. Morgan are Deutsche Bank are unable to settle trades because they dont like a j. P. Morgan are joint you. Banks are unable to settle trades because they dont have the cash to settle to trade then when the end of the quarter comes theyre going to have to have the cash to settle the trade then when the end of the quarter comes theyre going to have to by law if they if there is the rule of law anymore and thats an open question announced by law if they if there is the rule of law anymore and thats an open question announce that they are insolvent and therefore theyre going to set off a cascade and a contagion that they are insolvent and therefore theyre going to set off a cascade and a contagion. Will be a continuation of the 2008 crisis but much much more. Will be a continuation of the 2008 crisis but much much worse. During the grid to. Move to remember that it was mostly found during the grid to. Move to remember that it was mostly found. There wasnt it was you know much worse subject. It was much worse objectively. But there was an expectation of the things youre going to get better. But there was an expectation of the things youre going to get better. There was a real sense of. Reason to do 2 days there was a real sense of. Reason to do 2 days in america where shape my the 10 principles of concentration of wealth in america where shape my the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. Reduced democracy at tax a lower. Reduced democracy attack soloed. Engineer election manufacture consent. Engine. Near elections manufacture consent another prince holds according to know on. One side or another prince holds according to know on. One set of rules for the rich officer. Thats was for the rich officer. Thats what happens when you put her into the. Narrow sector of what happens when you put her into the. Narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for itself just as you did will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for itself just as youd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time. One of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. Its about the modern civilization of america. Welcome back today 51 years ago the british queen and. Welcome back today 51 years ago the british queen in their has been paid a visit to brazilian fascist costa a silver then responsible for some of the words there has been paid a visit to brazilian fascist costa a silver then responsible for some of the worst atrocities against civilians during the countrys years of u. K. U. S. Backed military dictatorial cities against. Billions during the countrys years of u. K. U. S. Backed military dictatorship nowadays royals like prince harry more likely to go to Rugby World Cup finals and major ship nowadays royals like prince harry more likely to go to Rugby World Cup finals in japan than arguably prop up imperial war crimes but as violence continues in kashmir or japan then arguably prop up imperial war crimes but as violence continues in kashmir between Nuclear Armed competence a new book is being published about a participant in British Colonial tween Nuclear Armed competence a new book has been published about a participant in British Colonial rule the mountbatten their lives and loves is by one of britains most successful rule the mountbatten their lives and loves is by one of britains most successful the tree agents and biographers andrew loney he joins me now and youre welcome back to going underground literally agents and biographies and loney he joins me now and youre welcome back to going underground i know its 2019 but a book about my own bat and youre still found it didnt know its 2019 but a book about my own bat and youre still found it difficult as you say in the book to get some of the official papers from the government difficult as you say in the book to get some of the official papers from the government that have still not been released about mountbatten yes i mean theres a lot that still that have still not been released about mountbatten yes i mean theres a lot thats still closed and there are certain papers where we think hes involved like the concur boys home closed and there are certain papers where we think hes involved like the can cora boys home papers that would be released last year and i was told they would be released they wouldnt give it to me in papers it would be released last year and i was told they would be released they wouldnt give it to me until last year and now theyve been closed again but now they have to child abuse until last year and now theyve been closed again but now they have to child abuse allegations later in the story but thats just one other cases the legations later in the story but the. Just. In other cases though is it National Security that they hide behind National Security and Data Protection and is it National Security that they hide behind National Security and Data Protection and International Relations and relations with the sovereign i mean they have a whole series exemptions they deploy but in International Relations and relations with the sovereign i mean they have a whole series exemptions they deploy but yes the still clearly a cover up going on and it was extraordinary thing is public funds yes the still clearly a cover up going on and it was extraordinary thing is that public funds were used to buy the baton diaries and letters. In lieu of times we used to buy the baton diaries and letters. In lieu of tax for them and those papers are still remain closed to this day only in the weeks for them and those papers are still remain closed to this day when the. Later in the book because i do want to go to the glamorous beginning to look at edward lordan and later in the book because i do want to go to the glamorous beginning to look at edward lord in the new years to be provost of University College london you heard him as saying there used to be provost of University College london you could him as saying there were is that about the king or boys or war is that about tempted against harold wills well i mean hes involved i think in both i mean the coup i mean there were is that about the king or boys or war is that of a tempted against harold wills. Well i mean hes involved i think in both i mean the coup i mean no 68 against wilson he always denied his involvement but its quite clear when you know look at the papers im 68 against wilson he always denied his involvement but its quite clear when you know look at the papers and triangulate the correspondence that they basically he was very involved and triangulate the correspondence that they basically he was very involved he actually put up candidates including the head of her how my horror films as a possible member of the cabinet he actually put up candidates including the head of her im a horror films as a possible member of the cabinet very much but had a very high sense of his own. Achievement and role in that very much but had a very high sense of his own. Achievement and role and this is his qualities and he felt he could be Prime Minister and he loved this idea of being and thats his qualities and he felt he could be Prime Minister and he loved this idea of being in charge of of this National Government but of course he says its edwina of of this National Government but of course he says its edwina his wife who is on the left and hes on the right so his wife who is on the left and hes on the right and you explore that in the book and great yes well i would say he was on the right he was very progressive and as you and you explore that in the book in great yes well i would say he was on the right he was very progressive in his views i think in some ways he was very keen as a Public Servant as a naval officer not to be seen to be involved i think in some ways he was very keen as a Public Servant as a naval officer not to be seen to be involved but time and time again he cant help himself so he threatens to resign during sewage as 1st time and time again he cant help himself so he threatens to resign during sewage as 1st see lord hes very against appeasement and rights to even when he resigns so he does get involved but i think it we know is the one clearly who was almost a called lord hes very against appeasement and rights to even when he resigns. He does get involved but i think it wiener is the one clearly who was almost a communist and she in fact has a fall on her because of her communist association ist and she in fact has a fall on her because of her communist associations filed by the f. B. I. Yet in that i mean that he has a fall too but for other things since the fall by the f. B. I. Yup in that i mean that he has a fall too but for other things i mean around the world and certainly viewers watching this in the i mean around the world and certainly viewers watching this in india and can catch me or hear. Will no no mama battling for one thing thing than the moan about battles being planned just go through the fact that george is the 6th king jordan plan just go through the fact that george is the 6th king george the 6th sense is cousin. And endless is the 0. 06 is cousin. And endless work has been done on the fact that today the problems in kashmir apart work has been done on the fact that today the problems in kashmir apart battens fault yeah i think so i mean he sent in march of 47 fold yeah i think so i mean he sent in 47 with the instruction to bring about independence by june 148 but i think when he gets in with the instruction to bring about independence by june 148 but i think when he gets there he realizes its not just him others do as well that unless they give independence there he realizes its not just him others do as well that unless they give in depends much more quickly theyll be nothing to give it a butchers thorgils diminishing the i. C. s is know much more quickly theyll be nothing to give it a butchers thought is diminishing the i. C. s is no longer the force it was the sectarian problems of growing that the riots and i think he no longer the force it was the sectarian problems of growing that the riots and i think he just rushes things and he was always very impatient so within 4 months he has to divide he just rushes things and he was always very impatient so within 4 months he has to divide this huge country what are you doing that was previously invented center in your book has huge country well that was doing that was previously a very and a center in your book and since it is about the blower you seem to suggest that he sped things up and since it is about the buttons plural you seem to suggest that he sped things up deliberately partly because of marital problems with his wife and of course were talking. Liberally partly because of marital problems with his wife and of course were talking here about the largest human migration in World History of the year about the largest human migration in World History of 2 of the partition of india i mean you know i think no one to speak to the problems would be a partition of india i mean you know i think no one to speak of the problems would be a partition and thats true of the engine politicians as well i think you know he did partition and thats true of the engine politicians as well i think you know he did i dont buy the fact that he did it because you want to get back to his naval career or i dont buy the fact that he did it because you want to get back to his naval career or anything else i think he just felt that the only way to sort out the problem was to keep or anything else i think he just felt that the only way to sort out the problem was to keep things in since the momentum going i think where hes at fault is things instance the momentum going i think where hes at fault is he only announced the politicians the boundaries after independence he wanted intervention so he only announced the politicians the boundaries after independence he wanted intervention celebrations to go with a swing and not instance the british not to be in control when the problems arose russians to go with a swing and not instance the british not to be in control when the problems arose. That was you know also something the engine politicians want to themselves and i think the indian politicians have to take some responsibility for not preparing themselves properly because the words. That would you know also something the engine politicians want of themselves and i think the indian politicians have to take some responsibility for not preparing themselves properly because the world warnings about the problems that would wouldnt suit by kevins jenkins whos a governor of the northwest frontier who were warnings about the problems that would wouldnt suit by kevins jenkins whos a governor of the northwest frontier who were warning about what was going to happen. But you know and there were troops there prepared to do. I think about what was going to happen. But you know and there were troops there prepared to do it but i think the feeling with the british out was that we dont want to be were no longer responsible for that i think the feeling with the british had was that we dont want to be were no longer responsible for the constant now its up to the indians to do what they feel is right and well protect what is all constant its up to the indians to do what they feel is right and well protect what is always a border the way that radcliffe drew the border under well you know a certain thing as a border the way that radcliffe drew the border under well you know certain things that didnt work out but i mean he did a extraordinary job in a very short period of time is because it didnt work out but i mean he did a extraordinary job in a very short period of time his Commission Divided on sectarian ground so he was left to do on his own i think this was a feeling there will be much more divided on sectarian grandson he was left to do on his own i think this was a feeling there will be much more cooperation than there in fact was later i dont think any normal person would reserve when a 1000000 people cooperation there in fact was late i dont think any normal person would reserve when a 1000000 people were killed because of this no i dont think he felt the need to resign i think he felt the need to solve the problem were killed because of this no i dont think he felt the need to resign i think he felt the need to solve the problem and in some ways he did he set up an Emergency Committee and he in that we know where i think you know senate and in some ways he did he set up an Emergency Committee and he in that we know were i think you know selfless in the way they were and thats in some ways were bond with with with their really tough loss in the way they worked and thats in some ways were bond with with with their really developed what they did afterwards so that in some ways which i find to stop at them in the stories always developed what they did afterwards so that in some ways was i find to stop at them in the stories always said that if if youre in a hole the best place the best person to get you out is to keep but said that if if youre in a hole the best place the best person to get you out is to keep but hell got you into the mess in the 1st place so this is probably another good example of that. You have got you into the mess in the 1st place so this is probably another good example of that the tragedy lives on today in terms of trying to understand what but i havent heard of the tragedy lives on today in terms of trying to understand or to bring about an early on in the book when the when you recount the kind of lifestyle they own in the book when the when you recount the kind of lifestyle they have which is so out of reach and beyond what anyone in british does have which is so out of reach and beyond what anyone in British Society could have as you say there when they meet Chaplin Charlie chaplin the only what i think of as you say there when they meet Chaplin Charlie chaplin the anywhere in. Baghdad and calls up in a shy and pathetic little man in. Baghdad and calls up in a shy and pathetic little man. Is a kind of emblematic of the lack of empathy of lord mountbatten as a kind of. Emblematic of the lack of empathy of lord mountbatten for normal people in this country have always the chapter was it all he would but yeah a working class man for normal people in this country i mean obviously chap it was it all he would but yeah a working class man from relevant to guzzle yeah well i mean that was a certainly a private letter i mean he was very relevant to gus yeah well i mean that was a certainly a private letter i mean he was very arrogant and very faint and slightly pompous and i think its actually how they talk about in a very faint and slightly pompous and i think its how they talk i mean i think what the purpose didnt at the time is chop and made a pasta wiener on the honeymoon i think repurpose didnt know the time was chopping it made a pasta wiener on the honeymoon or all shed made a pass at him you know she could be an embarrassment to him at times because of course or although shed made a pass at him you know she could be an embarrassment to him at times because of course not in a public pronouncements but also in her private life and that was always his concern you know not in a public pronouncements but also in her private life and that was always his concern you know not to upset the royal family and not to stymie his career but the end for the royal family and not to stymie his career but the infamous liaison with the great communist pull ropes when you look at it in little with the great communist pull ropes when you look at it didnt come out with the fact that maybe the evidence isnt there for a relationship with him paul robeson to come out with the fact that maybe the evidence isnt there for a relationship with him paul robes and. I certainly she had a long relationship with a know about mine called the hot tractions well i certainly she had a long relationship with a know about mine called lesley how tractions i think i do quote some people saying there may have been relationship with ropes and its difficult to tell i think i do quote some people saying there may have been relationship with ropes and its difficult to tell. She certainly wasnt averse to doctoring her dari if. She certainly was. Diverse too to doctoring her diary the official books say there wasnt an affair because she doesnt talk about the fair and she always mentions her affair and her diaries books say there wasnt an affair because she doesnt talk about the fair and she always mentions her affair and her diaries but you know how do we know that because no one else has seen those diaries except the official biographer us but you know how do we know that because no one else has seen those diaries except the official biography us doris a close to researches. Except by the family by the family as a close to researches. Except by the family by the family by the government actually i think the family are not behind it its the government of closed it will by the government actually i think the family are not behind it its the government of closed it with Southampton University i mean youre an expert on spying as well because youre on the scene read your prosperity i mean youre an expert on spying as well because youre on this show but your previous books i was in the no cover ups by the government is the same thing but surely its more as a book so theres no no cover ups by the government its the same thing but surely its more i mean when you started out writing lives you didnt think the government would be hiding secrets about when you started out writing lives you didnt think the government would be hiding secrets about that was the way they would understandably arguably be hiding about a russian spy battens the way they would understandably arguably be hiding about russian spies in here and i dont know it was and i didnt think that i would discover that i was risin here i might. Want to know and i didnt think that i would discover that i was writing about another promiscuous bisexual. So there are all surprises but its a great thing about talking about another promiscuous bisexual. So theres a real surprise about secret thing about for you start you just dont know where its going to lead you im sure that you can duchess of windsor at the moment for you start you just dont know where its going to lead you under that you can duchess of windsor at the moment i dont know who knows what one might find or do you suspect is the reason the British Government will know who knows what one might find. Or do you suspect is the reason the British Government will not release the papers is it embarrassment or is it political i think theres the they dont release the papers is it embarrassment or is it political i think theres there there clearly things that they say about the royal family which they pretty dont want out i think props the i mean clearly things that they say about the royal family which they pretty dont want out i think props the i mean we know that she had 16 plus affairs and he had many self the maybe other affairs they know that she had 16 plus affairs and he had many self the maybe other affairs as a matter of course not but i mean i uncovered the fact that being a break in is a matter of course not but i mean i uncovered the fact there been a break in at Buckingham Palace in october 949 someone came and came to look for the king and you go to Buckingham Palace in october 949 someone came and came to look for the king and you go to over the wall and 30 seconds climbed up an open ladder by an open window and got in now theyve tried the wall in 30 seconds climbed up an open ladder by an open window and got in now theyve tried to shut that story down because of they say that they used the same security arrangements now is it to shop that story down because of they say that they used the same security arrangements now as they didnt 100 49. 00 there is a culture of secrecy in this country and anything to do the royal family is covered they didnt 149. 00 there is a culture of secrecy in this country and anything to do the royal family is covered up quite unnecessarily i mean the royal archives are pretty much closed it up quite unnecessarily i mean the royal archives are pretty much closed. You know they organise a private archive i would argue that its part of the public life you know they organise a private archive i would argue that its part of the public life now one aspect that you were able to get lots of information now one aspect that you were able to get lots of information on is the 942 d a raid which is a disaster and nation is the 942 d. A raid which was a disaster and as a naval officer there are some people saying it was the precursor to d. Day. As a naval officer some people saying it was the precursor to d. Day. How did bob batten how did he even go one naval officer after how did not but and how did he even go one naval officer after a raid which killed what 97 percent of the canadian troops that were he was very good at a raid which killed what 97 percent of the canadian troops that were he was very good at shifting the blame to all the people and he had a mentor but like burgess stayed in church shifting the blame to all the people he had a mentor but like burgess stayed in churchill with his great mentor i mean he was moved on recently quickly after that to Southeast Asia with his great mentor i mean he was moved on recently quickly after that to Southeast Asia but he was a man he was a ruthless self promoter and isha but he was a man he was a ruthless self promoter and he was a great you know a teflon man things didnt really stick now in the end he was a great you know a teflon man things didnt really stick now in the end hes not killed by an indian. And we have to have a party hes not killed by an indian. Angry at him for partition he ends up being killed in. One of you petition he ends up being killed in. What have you discovered about his assassination well the extraordinary thing is that he had a discovered about his assassination where the extraordinary thing is that he had a private bodyguard a little problem a military policeman who did a Damage Assessment to assad but a bodyguard a little problem a military policeman who did a Damage Assessment to us who could see that shatter 5 was unprotected night and vulnerable and reported that who could see that shutter 5 was unprotected night and vulnerable and reported that nothing was done he noticed that there was a belfast car belonging nothing was done he noticed that there was a belfast car. Need to an ira activist in the vicinity reports that nothing was done and its not to an irate activist in the vicinity reports that nothing was done and it thought this chap graeme youll was sacked made to sign it gagging order which only expired to the chap graeme youll was sacked made to sign it gagging order which only expired 2 years ago and the protections given to the garda who were not really qualified 2 years ago and the protections given to the garda who were not really qualified to do that job but also mum been told repeatedly not to do that job but also mum and been told repeatedly not to go to on that year they knew there was a plot to assassinate him over the royal family probably him and it would go to on that year they knew there was a plot to assassinate him over the royal family probably him and it was pretty irresponsible not only to go but to bring his family with him and make them. Victims themselves while of course we dont blame blaming them but i mean when youre talking about a pretty responsible not only to go but to bring his family with him and make them. Victims themselves while of course we dont blame blaming them but i mean when youre talking about the changes in Security Protection youre not. But the changes in Security Protection youre not saying that there would have been insiders say that there would have been insiders. Well there was absolutely believe suspicion that there were inside that there were insiders. Sympathizers working in his household. But there it is. Sympathizers working in his household. But there were certainly people watching him but they already of course was it was a it backfired in the sport for certainly people watching him but they already of course was it was a it backfired in the sport from north america dried up the corporation across the border increased and the army is north america dried up the corporation across the border increased and the army is not always been sympathetic to the i raise aims so they killed in effect the wrong man that always been sympathetic to the i raise aims so they killed in effect the wrong man but we have to get the papers i mean you separate it very specifically the river get the papers i mean you separate it very specifically the rumors about child abuse and all the rest of it will we ever get these papers rumors about child abuse and all the rest of it will we ever get these papers do you looking at the things youve looked at believe any of this can cora but do you looking at the things youve looked at believe any of this can cora boys when bill 1st abuse scandal like i quote 2 boys who claim to be an abused boys when bill 1st abuse scandal like i quote 2 boys who claim to be an abused and who came from can call and they say they were to me persuasive and they knew. Who came from can call and they say they were to be persuasive and they knew things that they wouldnt have known they couldnt have made up but you know its not just them there are lots of things that they wouldnt have known they couldnt have made up but you know its not just them there are lots and lots of other which i did i couldnt put in the book for legal reasons and the because i couldnt stand up it up properly. Which i did i couldnt put in the book for legal reasons and the because i couldnt stand up it up properly suggesting his links with with the sexual abuse rings and not and suggesting his links with with the sexual abuse rings or not and this testimony from a driver from the 2nd world war as well who went to the newseum this testimony from a driver from the 2nd world war as well who went to live in new zealand so things are beginning to emerge even now since the book came out people are telling me things you know and so things are beginning to emerge even now since the book came out people are telling me things so i think theres a lot more to the story than meets the eye and the call beach thing has been so i think theres a lot more to the story than meets the eye and the call beach thing has made people just miss all these these stories and i think we throw in the about the baby and 8 people just miss all these these stories and i think we throw in the about the baby out with the bathwater but i think the case of bisexuality is pretty much made the case with with the bathwater but i think the case of bisexuality is pretty much made the case with paedophilia i agree is more circumstantial but as i say more stuff is coming in i agree is more circumstantial but as i say more stuff is coming in and its pretty consistent and really thank you thats it for the show will be back on monday and its pretty consistent and really thank you thats it for the show will be back on monday on the eve of the global 1000000 mom march against political corruption go inside it with the only eve of the global 1000000 mom march against political corruption go inside it with the very folks plot to burn down the British Parliament they were judged by social media dont forget the very folks plot to burn down the British Parliament they were judged by social media dont forget to subscribe to a huge. 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