Cold war started so this is home for us as you are important where you allowed to have a political position where you are allowed to have a say in this things. In part that depends on the position that you have in the Foreign Ministry initially was a member of the department of translation and interpretation and it was only later in early 1987 that i was transferred to the usa desk to the department of usa and canada of the ministry of Foreign Affairs in that position i was involved in the preparations both for ministerial meetings and summits and in that position i dast have maybe much influence but they could contribute but the most important moments are when the principles of the foreign minister or the president actually ask your opinion when that happens you are on your own and youre not just in to you actually have to say what you think and to me with my very limited political Prior Experience that was not easy but that happened because i know that her intimate with gorbachev actually were not about cherie not it is my grandfather and i know about gorbachev because youre his advisor up to this day how did you earn their trust how does that happen how does that happen the initial process is earning the trust as a professional as an interpreter but then inevitably i work with both of them for 6 years and never doubly you become closer and either trust not only you as a professional. Translator interpreter but also they begin to trust your opinion because they know that you have been with them through a great deal i think it started in the reykjavik with gorbachev at about the same time. And they did ask for my opinion sometimes difficult moments. During the whole process of ending the cold war it was not actually a smooth and easy process as many people now think it was a process that had its pitfalls obstacles difficult moments. Miss misunderstandings of course when understandings seemed to be breaking. I think at that time they asked my opinion just because i was closest to them physically. So youre obviously not only translating it right with that but also emotionally and intellectually involved in a process and it was a very difficult process like you pointed out it was no smooth a lot of things were breaking into it together it was like a work of a jeweler ritual rainmaker and somehow it worked the cold war and it. Before we get back to you in your profession as this one out ask you looking back now and whats happening between us and russia does it doesnt. Well maybe theres only because when one has the Prior Experience of working with. The president s at the summit level one doesnt the stand that there are and flowed there are moments story moments that sometimes last more than a moment sometimes last long and look like everything is collapsing but you know shes story clearly that the moments of the past. Are never ruined totally and i think that it is a difficult moment the relationship is dismal that would be my word but its not hopeless and i think that one day a real dialogue will resume and i wish well to those people who will be resuming their dialogue and who will help them be seen in that dialogue you have translated all these great leaders how important is the personal chemistry between 2 man. I mean i can say gorbachev and reagan baker and sharon nonsectarian love for us even if youre ideologically on different sides of the personal chemistry is there things get done would you agree with that oh absolutely i think that personal chemistry is something that is perhaps not all the important but very important i would just add that you have to work to develop chemistry and i think that. The soviet side both go. Which are and should work on that. For sure or does it was somewhat easier because he should have thought of practically immediately. Reagan it was not as easy because they had very different background because they were i would say more different initially. Shots were but they worked on it i think the great merit of those 2 men gorbachev and reagan is that they did so much despite the problems and obstacles does right some of the things that happened that were extremely unfortunate during that period such as the spice scandals such as the military to military incidents you know overflights by. Fighter bombers over navy ships this kind of thing unfortunately the military still seems to like this kind of thing and the military dont want a war but they sometimes do things that are risky and those things happened during those 6 years and the great merit i think principle of. Bush is that they did not allow the process to be sidetracked to be sidelined to be broken by those unfortunate incidents that happened. Still going back to personal chemistry because not allowing to break the process is also partially thanks to the personal chemistry here thats when you can mean a person who translates the words of another person the person who is in charge of relaying the. Packaging of. Either right for us as we see. He is very brazen very unorthodox in his way of speaking a bomber was very academic like a harvard professor. Bush jr was very foxy then obviously if a translator just translates that slur this out the adjective of the personality and the words do you. Take time and start to actually translate the person rather than just the president of the country to really the image that he really carries from within to the person sitting in front well i dont know i did my best i did my best i think they did their best chemistry develop between them. I think its they who worked on it we tried to help. I had excellent people on the other side all of us really were motivated to help i think that is the most important thing otherwise whether i did try to smooth the edges whether i did try to perhaps. Make certain things smooth or make certain things more neutral and to emphasize other things frankly i dont know but i dont think so i think that i just tried to do my best professionally when moments happen when they were either annoyed with each other or upset as during the final minutes in reykjavik. Well i was perhaps as upset as they were and i was part of it and i dont think that i tried to modify it to module it those things i dont think so but then you know to greatly eyes in situations like this humor always worked with race for gorbachev and sharing our men translating the humor in the right way is essential its clear because i see so much goodness humor mistranslated couldnt have this very russian specific based humor and when its translated into english it isnt making any sense now you translate corby and cherie who both had an amazing sense of humor and the other side obviously got to hear more a lot how hard is it to correctly translate the humor of the person youre translating all the choices basically between a literal translation between a word for word translation perhaps with a little explanation or finding something in there that would work in english and sometimes you make that choice sometimes you risk and maybe comment a little bit to make it more understandable but i must say that both shevardnadze. Were the more improvise ational way shevardnadze prepared for every conversation. Very meticulously but both of them too can to count the cultural differences and they tried not to say too many things that would require a lot of cultural interpretation put in again i think that when she speaks here and when he negotiates. And i did interpret the other side during some of the negotiations with putin i think its a little different i think is most. Jokey when she talks to russians then when she talks to americans or europeans who then take a break right now when were back well continue talking to. Legendary translator better still how great of a show were talking about how not to lose interest place in the course of world politics. And. We came here where did you work before you came here when you lived. Death row in many us States Capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims families they are very much in favor the Death Penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us somebody even proven innocent after years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about. It. And were back with. Legendary translator 8 to me how about which of mr allens wonder when all these great leaders shake hands laughs formerly a formal jokes in front of the cameras smile. When its obviously a mask its a role that they play in front of the media now you being with behind closed doors are the masks off once they sit down to the negotiation table are they different or they keep playing this role for the most part you know in my experience the masks are all and they begin to be very human. Obviously make an effort. To. To explain they sometimes see the other side doesnt understand they think that the other side doesnt want to understand he can become annoyed they can become upset i saw sometimes tears in the reagans eyes in reykjavik where example but i also saw them in very human situations when the media was present but they were extremely natural and not Wearing Masks during public moments so i would not agree that during public moments when they smile when they say things that they are playing a role that this is a mask not always some of it is a mask and thats necessary because the heads of state they are also diplomats and diplomats can not be totally open but some of it is quite natural how do you know when theyre playing and when their real crisis with reagan especially it was impossible to know when it was genuine not the man was acting all the time he was an actor he was an actor absolutely but he was an actor i think not only because he was an actor during part of his career but because he was kind of theatrical perhaps. Histrionic one might say by nature she waited she the 1st thing i saw that i concluded during the very 1st moments when i 1st was interpreter in for shevardnadze and the reagan during the september 1005 meeting at the white house the very 1st meeting was that he was eager to please that he was eager to be liked that was part of his nature and not just because he was an actor so i know that it happened at least once you were the only translator in durham. During their top higher level talks america. Didnt take their translator maybe because they were scared that the information would be read why does not happen i think that it happened on the few occasions i think that. They actually reagan and bush trusted the translator but they just wanted to indicate to the soviet leaders that this is additional sign that there would be no leaks but absolutely they trusted translators and there were i know that. Washington is full of leaks but i also know that interpreters translators are never ever the source of those leaks because you know these things become known even the famous deep throat the leaker who destroyed president nixon we now know who that was there has never ever been any assumption or accusation. Any one of us of our profession to actually leaked something thats impossible because of the ethics of the job because of the ethic of the profession that i think practically all of us certainly those of us who work at the high level very much observe i just want to ask you a couple of few technical questions about your profession example was wondered phrases and no one sat that if you hear an obvious mistake for instance a person says iraq instead of iran you just translator but how do you know if you for sure says iran and syria iraq well its intuition its interesting that comes with experience that come with hours and hours of work. On the other hand you take a risk in simultaneous interpretation you cannot ask the person in consecutive interpretation when you sit near him yes it is possible if you have doubts to to ask but its undesirable you dont want to do it in both cases in simultaneous interpretation the choice is either youre correct when you are 100 percent sure or you say iraq and say thats what the speaker has said even though you assume that probably human iran so this kind of thing people sometimes. Misspeak yes. That happens. And then also there must be some difficulties understanding certain accents im sure not now accents are as accessible as american or british i dont you mention somewhere nigerian action for instance if youre sitting in summertime is the translating this top level meeting and we dont we understand why that person has sat what happens. Normally here i was lucky i mostly worked with people who spoke very good russian and very good english frankly so it was who also had it in the n. C. A. A. Shouldn good good diction but yes it has happened on a few occasions more during my work at the un and subsequently at the council of europe where there are some people who speak with a heavy accent and who. Is not very good so what do you do for the most part you pause and you dont interpret where you dont understand hoping and that hope works most of the time that it will become clear. It will become clear later in most cases it does become clear later but you dont. Sometimes you say what you think hugh she meant. But its better to admit something and then to hope that things will become clearer. It hasnt happened to often for me that i took a risk but it has happened and then theres always. For instance sergey lover who is brilliant in english i remember he was sitting down with clinton and obama in the translator was translating and then turns around and corrects the translator i mean this kind of embarrassing does that happen a lot when youre translating a person who is perfection in a language that youre translating to the to the to the reader well sure i mean. Deputy foreign minister laurence of. Had excellent english. Ive been corrected but. To my knowledge to my recollection not at that level so fortunately you know maybe they missed something that i missed translated decided not to correct me but i havent been corrected at that level i have been corrected in my career you know been in this profession for almost 50 years so i have been corrected for the most part i have been corrected correctly but sometimes. People who correct. And they dont know what theyre doing it also happens so when they are trying to correct you and you stand by your translation you have to say so and that happened to me too when they are correcting you and you think that perhaps its basically a matter of taste. You might want to repeat what they said its a matter of its not very important but you dont quarrel with them but when you are sure then you have to stand by your translation that has happened to me fortunately not at the highest level because you dont want that kind of bickering happening well as one very few have in your arsenal of memory is something maybe who areas or something that one horribly wrong for instance i remember. Recently putin said about. The cheering it is a bright man meaning hes unorthodox he is someone that believes that mark as a person now and then the American Media translate as bright in terms of mastery of soccer which is a mistake yeah it is a mistake but if the interpreter had said colorful that would have been on the way but the. Thing worked out it would have been ok bright of course means he is smart and the world will not work there in the south come mr inspirations like crew shows translations or we will bury you thats when the translator all the you know mystery ideas from the language have you ever had that when you missed that idea that went wrong or hilariously it never happened i let the guy down but i was sometimes quite happy. With the rendering that i gave that happened and if it was repeated. In another conversation normally i would be ready i would be ready because i thought while he said this funny phrase newsarama its not all to discuss. And. My rendering initially was not quite good and i thought about it was there enduring now you would say well. 2 ways of doing it closer to the. Original you would say you can break people like a stick. But more idiomatic would be you can break the peoples back. Because that shows the sense of it that you should understand. That the raw things that have to be done carefully when youre dealing with the destiny of nations so there were moments when i felt but but there were also moments when. I mean i i was surprised myself that i found a practically perfect rendering on the spot and thats what makes the interpreter happy but you shouldnt be too happy because when youre too happy of the excellent rendering that you have come up with then you can lose concentration and the most important thing in simultaneous interpretation in translation is concentration. Thank you so much for this wonderful interior wish it the last of luck thank you i had a good time because he was. 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Why a paradise with some ground and into a round the experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritants theres no question otherwise why would the Chemical Company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments with often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of Environmental Research going on in hawaii whether these Companies Feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. To russian pilots or praise for saving the lives of hundreds of passengers after they executed a perfect Emergency Landing when both of the planes engines failed. And i would like to express my gratitude to the pilot who was flying the plane i think we are all in life thanks to him the pilots did a great job landed the plane on the ballot. Also coming up india stresses its pledge of not using Nuclear Weapons 1st in warfare but warned me change the statement comes us hostilities continue to escalate with pakistan over the disputed territory of kashmir
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