And why do they begin the journey and this tremendous journey until they end up on this continents and leaving or escaping the ottoman turkish empire, they were mainly christians, so they were not having a very good time under that empire, they begin to migrate to the americas and the United States closes its quotas in instant. Then the migration begins to be more southwards, in the case of my family and the vast majority of palestinians live here, they came from the christian enclaves around bethlehem, especially beitjel, and there is more population now in chile than in betjella itself, and the fact is that my grandmother crossed argentina as a child around 1905, my grandfather arrived later around 1912 following his older brothers that is a bit of history. Of that community which arrives through argentina realizes that there is majority of syrians and lebanese. They carry on cross the Mountain Range and land so to speak, in the area of san felipe, and from there they are distributed towards north and south. That is the story of my family, and according to what i have researched, it is the story of many families in betjalla and the christian enclaves. Of ahora palestina en pedazos, well, i wrote a book called now palestine in pieces. I tell the especially at the beginning of the book, what that relationship was like, and i talk about having lived in an ordinary chilean family, but knowing that there was a palestinian rumor behind it, and when i say rumor, it was that there was a palestinian rumor behind it. It was because they talked about those old migrants, we ate and silly it arab food. When i got married, my father showed up unexpectedly with some belly dancers to celebrate. Culture, mean there was this whole issue that was there, but without being a central issue in our conversation. Lost the arabic language, my father also lost it because there were very, very strong assimilation impulses in chile and in all the countries of latin america. So my transformation, my becoming palestinian as i say in the previous version of the book, occurs when we travel to the occupied territories ocurre cuando viajo a Los Territorios ocupados, si, a mi me toco. Yes, it was my turn to present that book, becoming a palestinian. Could you tell us a little about uh what this transformation process was like, because it is a process that i have also recently been experiencing with my daughter. I am living it in the first person, what it is like to rediscover those roots, but not only from the formal aspect, which we have all managed to maintain, the food, some words, some of the music, the dance, but to begin to connect and understand. For me to travel to the occupied territories, which happens a little coincidentally, i also tell it in the book, how i get into a taxi one day, and its a palestinian taxi driver in my dominican neighborhood of new york, and he starts to tell. Me, why havent i gone . I have to go, and i thought, yes, one day i will go, but due to very random circumstances, i end up traveling, and i had promised the taxi driver that if i received invitation to go to a place that was halfway. There because of course its very expensive to go, then i would go, and the next day an email came in inviting me to london and i said halfway there, incredible. It was also a week before the university holidays, so i decide and i say to myself, well this is a calling, i have to go. I had pending invitation from a friend and i get there, and the experience of travelling and seeing myself recognized by the regime of israel as a palestinian, for the first time i experienced this feeling of being discriminated against, humiliated. Interrogated, they raised all the red lights for me. In fact, that airport passage was so hard that i started writing in the Airline Magazine with a pencil that i borrowed from the lady sitting next to me, because they had taken everything from me. I mean, i got on with my passport in my hands. And there i began to write what i needed to write, and there that book began to be written, and it has to do with the feeling of this enormous humiliation that i as a half palestinian was suffering, and the very powerful connection that i felt with the. Situation of the palestinians who live there who are 100 palestinian and have lived through 75 years of occupation with all kinds of humiliation, interrogation and discrimination. I want to ask a question for those who dont know about this experience, what you just said, was it on the departure plane or on the entry plane . Quite remarkable right, this happened to you because you traveled on el airline, airline, which is the Israeli Airline screens passengers before boarding the plane on any flight to israel, and these humiliations are common for everyone who, as you rightly said, is recognized as palestinian, what year was that trip . That trip was in 2012, of course i didnt know that it was much worse to travel on the israel no matter which airline you choose to buy tickets from, because most of the airlines that arrived to tel aviv have an agreement with all and all operates that section, simply to be able to do this, right . It is part of the brutal discrimination they have and the effective control they have over all visitors who go to the holy land under any pretext and under any consideration. History, i feel that this is a particularly critical moment, but as ive said in other interviews, this is a worsening of the conflict, this does not start on october the 7th, of course what happened there was tremendous, but this does not start there, the policy of decontextualization is really very serious, and there has been a kind of pressure to decontextualize, whoever contextualizes has to suffer, because he or she would be suspicious of supporting hamas, for example, and it doesnt end there, we need to understand, that the increasing oppression against this nation has been exacbated and has led to extreme violence, thats whats happening now. In addition, when i read the newspaper, for example, when i read the New York Times, the impression is like it is not telling falsehoods. I even read the newspaper that has been quite kind to the Israeli Occupation. In the New York Times one realizes that there has really been a lot of pressure to decontextualize it, to accuse the people who support the palestinian cause and coers those ask for immediate cease fire to remain silent. For example, read in the press and i am talking now about the diaspora, the situation we know is really brutal. There are around 25,00 dead, thousands missing under the rubble, thousands of dead children, shortage of water, food, medication, so the situation is extremely violent, but when you look at what the diaspora can do, there is also very very big pressure to prevent this from continuing. The north american universities where i work are being harassed to avoid. Which really looks very difficult, so really both inside and outside, there has been a very brutal operation to silence the protests, so it is difficult to know what to do in a circumstance like this, and that generates double suffering, on the one hand, what is happening is a true genocide to which there is no end and on which no pressure is put or not . And on the other hand, there is this feeling that those of us are here and live outside of gaza and have knowledge of the brutal circumstances, estamos siendo silenciados. And particularly in the United States, which plays a fundamental role not only as aid and accomplice of the genocide, but also as the main driver. In our country, we see that the media are completely complicit. It has caught my attention, for example, that the chilean Journalist College has not made allusion to the murder of more than 190 journalists. Report on the catastrophe that is being experienced in gaza, even to not report on what the palestinians and the occupied territories are suffering, because they are also suffering violence at the hands of the settlers and the israeli army. There is lot of pressure under Public Opinion towards october 7 to mark that moment as the beginning of the violence and to erase back 75 years of occupation, so there is a problem, but this problem is not limited to the Mainstream Media only, utions that are dedicated to generating a lot of pressure to prevent reports about this genocide. In addition, they try to suggest that there is a balance. What do i mean by this . There is an idea that is transmitted through the media, which is clearly a political and linguistic operation. The idea that there is a balance of power between the two sides, that is, they are equally strong, but lets say that there is falsuit, because israel is a state, all be it fake one, and it is named as democratic. But gaza is not a state, palestine is not a state, it has not had the opportunity to have a voice and vote in the international arena, it does not have the possibility of vindicating itself, and hamas is a political an armed group also which has not have the possibility of becoming a Political Party since it does not correspond to nation. There is basic problem there, palestinians have been an impoverished nation over the years. They do not have the same possibilities, they do not have. They do not even have the same rights to water, because it is also controlled by israel, so making it seem like there is a balance of power is really breaking the truth, so you have to understand that the situation is that of very powerful regime, one of the main war powers in the world against the nation, a group of people who do not have a single right and have been oppressed and is plays a transcendental role in how the world reading and reacting to this situation. Lina, i want to thank you for accepting this invitation and hope that very soon we can meet again, perhaps with new book that will help us continue to delve deeper into the. The decision of the united nations, completely illegal, to divide the territory that they had always inhabited between its native inhabitants, and thousands of foreigners came from all over the world. They later rose up against the permanent massacers, against the plant dalet, they ended up rising against the Israeli Occupation from inside the land in two successive intefadas. What we are seeing today is only the continuity of a historical struggle for peace, survival. Absolutely tolerant strain of all people of the world were there before the first invaders arrived and will continue to be there after the last one leaves. The Palestinian People are synonymous with resistance. Throughout their history they have resisted and will continue to do so in the future. This conflict. Does not have and will never have a military solution, the only solution is to establish perpetual peace and freedom for humanity, and for this it is essential that those in power understand that total power leads to total corruption and that therefore we must establish a world of justice and peace for all human beings. Today in palestine we have said its ad nausium, getting up, studying, starting business, getting married, having children, planting an olive tree, keeping livestock, cultivating and harvesting an olive tree is simply an act of resistance. I offer the floor in case any of you want to ask any questions before we end this episode. To ask you in the context of the massacre that the Palestinian People are experiencing and the approach in the media, why do you believe or what intentions do you see in the hegemonic media . How can they present the resistance of the people and in particularly . Thank you barbara, thank you matthias, first of all, intefada. Popular uprising, and you would be wrong even imagine that any moment in the history of the last 75 years, the Palestinian People have not been standing up and resisting. Therefore, perhaps the question could be whether there is a possibility of new generalized uprising throughout the territory of palestine. I believe that today, the discredits of palestinian institutions and the discredit of the Peace Process that began with oslo. Turn the possibility of a third, absolutely generalized entefada into something very real. We cannot know when, but without a doubt the massacre that is taking place in gaza is not going to bring peace closer, on the contrary, it is going to exacerbates tensions and in the near future, were going to see a reaction that i believe the world of today cannot even fathem. The Palestinian Uprising is something continuous, but without a doubt today. Everyone is wondering, and in fact theres a malicious way of expressing and reporting the current genocide in gaza, which is not real. In recent weeks, hundreds of palestinians have been murdered in the west bank and imprisoned. Thousands of palestinians and hundreds of children in the west bank have been imprisoned again, like ahad tamimi. We met her a long time ago, monter amira, who is one of the leaders of the peaceful resistance in the ida refugee camp in the. Intermediate between bethlehem and baitjal, therefore it is clear that what is coming will always be worse, unless there is a fundamental change in the attitude of the international community, and they are really prepared to stop israel and stop the massacre. Regarding what matteas asked, we must not lose sight of the fact that in the last period of the recent history of humanity, the media, as we knew them at some points have been. It would be difficult today to talk about the media because 50 or 70 years ago the media definitely sought to make the power uncomfortable and were mainly concerned with making known what the power did not wants to be known. Today the media privatized in most of the world have the primary function, especially in our country of knowing only what world powers wants to be known, and therefore they are no longer means of communication, but or means of social control, induction and fabrication of reality. From this perspective, with all rights, we could talk about widespread media and journalistic corruption worldwide, and today there is no longer any right to information or freedom of the press. In our country, we have seen how the journalists who covered the genocide in gaza in the most objective way possible, it was never totally objective, they were removed from the channels, they were. Removed from the media, and this happens not only here, but everywhere throughout the world. There are journalists who have been fired at the bbc and in the media in europe and of course in the United States, simply for trying to make the palestinian tragedy visible. I want to say very clearly that what we are dealing with here is power struggle a global scale, that today does not allow any space to be outside of what we know as the class conflict. And the media today is part of this and is clearly on the side of power and today is not what it was 100 years ago y claramente estan del lado del poder y hoy dia no son, no que eran hace 100 anos. Quiero terminar el programa de hoy, i want to end todays program by simply demystifying the supposed right, the Occupying Powers to defense. No occupying power has the right to defend itself against innocent civilians under a policy of extermination and genocide. The right to defend oneself by all possible means is a right universal. Under occupation, who live under de facto governments and under continuous oppression, such as the Palestinian People today. From chile, we salute the Palestinian Resistance and wish them long life and success in the liberation their homeland, y exito en La Liberacion de su patria. Now entering its fourth day, were looking at some. We must not become part of south africas problem. We must remain part of. Solution, we must not aim to impose ourselves our solutions, our favorites in south africa, damn it, we have favorites in south africa, the favorites in south africa are the people who are being repressed by that ugly white regime. We have favorites. I also want to say word about the situation in israel. The more we learned about the attack, the more horrifying it becomes. More than 1ous, 1,0 innocent lives lost including at least 27 americans. These guys make, they make alqaeda look pure, theyre pure, theyre pure evil, i said from the beginning, the United States make no mistake about it, stands with israel, United States stands with israel. In this weeks show well be asking how and why the british Political Class was seized by the zinist lobby, what are the implications for our democracy if our lawmakers are in throll to israel . Theres others isnt. Austin and john man, these are all people came from the win party and effectually are doing the the the job of uh of designest entity. What ive seen um over the last few years is is the extremes of in westminster, the the people that are creating the uh the problems in our communities are being led by. Press of headlines of un wars israel could be using starvation as a weapon and its aggression against gaza saying blocking aid into the strip may amount to a warcry. Yemens army says its once again targeted a us ship in the red sea and fired missiles at israeli positions and response. Atlanta genocidal war on gaza and iranians along with millions of people in several other countries are preparing to welcome arrival of norus or the persian new year
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