Deadline Ws/White-house'>White House starts right noW. Hi, everyone. Happy friday. Its 4 00 in Ws/neW-york'>NeW York. 32 days to go before Ws/election-day'>Election Day in america and this is as a vast and groWing coalition of patriots throWing their formidable political Weight behind Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris looks and sounds like today. I am a Ws/ronald-reagan'>Ronald Reagan conservative. I tell you i have never voted for a democrat, but this year i am proudly casting my vote for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. In this election a broad coalition has Ws/come-together-to-support'>Come Together To Support Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. NoW, We may disagree on sWs/ome-thing'>Ome Things, but We are bound together by Ws/the-one'>The One thing that matters to us as americans more than any other, and thats our duty to our constitutiWs/on-and'>On And our belief in the miracle and the blessing of this incredible nation. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth, to reject the depraved cruelty of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump, and i ask you instead to help us elect Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris for president. Thats former congressWoman Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney in ripon, Wisconsin, it is the birthplace of the Ws/republican-party'>Republican Party. Shes making the case for Why she, a lifelong conservative, the daughter of arguably the most conservative public figure in modern american political history, Will cast her vote for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. Arguing that her felloW cardcarrying republicans and other lifelong conservatives should do the same. A very public, a very prominent Ws/permission-structure'>Permission Structure 32 days out from the election that could very Well tip the scales in november. What Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney did With that speech, again, in the birthplace of the Ws/republican-party'>Republican Party in Wisconsin, one of a handful of states that could decide the election result, is to unleash a blistering argument as to Why any republican, any conservative, any Ws/patriot-cannot'>Patriot Cannot and must not cast a vote for Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. In this election putting patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspiration, it is our duty. Donald trump Was Willing to sacrifice our capitol to alloWWs/laW-enforcement'>LaW Enforcement officers to be beaten and brutalized in his name and to violate the laW and the constitution in order to seize poWer for himself. I dont care if you are a democrat or a republican or an independent, that is Ws/it-depravity'>It Depravity and We must never become numb to it. What Ws/january-6th'>January 6th shoWs us is that there is not an ounce not an ounce of compassion in Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. He is petty, he is vindictive and he is cruel, and Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. WoW. Unfit, petty, vindictive, cruel. Liz cheney called out Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trumps depravity and called it What it is, disqualifying, and noW after marshaling the political Ws/star-poWer'>Star PoWer of one of the Ws/republican-party'>Republican Partys biggest figures, Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris and governor Ws/tim-Walz'>Tim Walz are deploying someone Who is unrivaled in the democratic partys political arsenal, Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama. The people Who Will decide this election are asking a very simple question, Who Will fight for me . Who is thinking about my future, about my childrens future, about our future together . One thing is for certain, Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump is not losing sleep over that question. We do not need four more years of bluster and bumbling and chaos. We have seen that movie before and We all knoW that the sequel is usually Worse. Today Was announced that former president Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama Will hit the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/harris-and-governor'>Harris And Governor Walz across Ws/battleground-state'>Battleground States beginning With the Ws/campaign-stop'>Campaign Stop next thursday in pittsburgh. As the Ws/neW-york'>NeW York times put it, Ws/president-obama'>President Obama is, quote, joining the final push to deliver Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris a victory, starting With perhaps the most consequential Ws/battleground-state'>Battleground State of the election, pennsylvania. And adding to his singular Ws/star-poWer'>Star PoWer, a coalition alongside patriots of every political strive, the likes of Which the country has never Witnessed in the context of a political campaign. We should say Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris is in michigan today. Earlier she spoke to a Ws/labor-union'>Labor Union in detroit, a short time from noWWs/vice-president'>Vice President harris Will deliver a Ws/campaign-speech'>Campaign Speech in flint, michigan, Where she Will be joined by Ws/basketball-legend'>Basketball Legend and michigan native Ws/magic-johnson'>Magic Johnson. Another spoke in the ever broadening and groWing harris Walz coalition. Its Where We start today With my colleagues Ws/yamiche-alcindor'>Yamiche Alcindor in flint, michigan, ahead of the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President s rally tonight. Also joining us former republican Ws/congressman-and-msnbc'>Congressman And Msnbc political analyst Ws/david-jolly'>David Jolly is here and With me at the table the reverend Ws/al-sharpton-host'>Al Sharpton Host of msnbcs Ws/politics-nation'>Politics Nation and president of the national action netWork. Yamiche, i knoW its loud Where you are. We are giving you the chance to multitask and pay attention to us While events unfold behind you. We Will thank you in advance. It isnt just editorially fascinating that Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney is noW on the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail for the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President , it is politically imperative, right, that the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign assemble this coalition that is incredibly electric to all the vibrant and vital parts of the democratic base that they all turn out and feel excited, but that she also brings over independent and republican Women and men. They seem to be very comfortable campaigning alongside Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, Which is remarkable in and of itself. Reporter it is remarkable. When you look at sort of all of the different things that the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign is trying to build together to try to Win this race, Which is, of course, polls shoW incredibly close. NoW, for me i just think of the last feW days. I Was just in Wisconsin Watching Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney come out to chants of thank you, liz by a large group of people in Wisconsin and then today Ws/just-a-little-bit'>Just A Little Bit off camera here theres Ws/magic-johnson'>Magic Johnson talking to reporters. Of course, a native of detroit, trying to bring in voters Who might be undecided and recognize him as someone Who they respect and Whose Ws/star-poWer'>Star PoWer brought a lot of real joy to detroit. Its interesting because the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign is trying to build this coalitiWs/on-and'>On And ive been talking to a number of people including Ws/cedric-richman'>Cedric Richman Who is a cochair of the campaign. Theyre trying to lean in to aggressively attack Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump because their interim Ws/polling-and-data'>Polling And Data shoWs there are a lot of persuadable voters Who Want to both hear from people like Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney talking about Why people should put country over party, but also because some of those voters Want her to define herself, Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris, they Want her to explain What a Ws/harris-administration'>Harris Administration Would do and also Want her to in some Ways really explain again Why she sees Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump as unqualified to be president , Which is Why Were going to see more and more ads talking about hoW he might raise the Ws/retirement-age'>Retirement Age going after sign yors or hoW he might mass deport people Who are helping revitalize places like spinning field, ohio. It is a big, Ws/big-test'>Big Test here shes trying to do it, a lot of these people Who shoW up shes hoping they Will be moved to do and go to the polls. It is such a Ws/nerveracking-period'>Nerveracking Period in any campaign, but i Want to focus on What youre talking about. The case against Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. Here is, again, extraordinary that these messages, the same message coming from, you knoW, arguably the biggest star in the democratic party and a name synonymous for generations With the Ws/republican-party'>Republican Party. Here is Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and Ws/president-obama'>President Obama. The other day i heard someone compare trump to the neighbor Who keeps running his Ws/leaf-bloWer'>Leaf BloWer outside your WindoW every minute of every day. NoW, from a neighbor thats exhausting. From a president , its just dangerous. I cast my first vote ever in 1984 for Ws/ronald-reagan'>Ronald Reagan. In other Words, i Was a republican even before Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump started spray tanning. Yamiche, i picked those out because i think they shoW not just the poWer that each that Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and Ws/president-obama'>President Obama have in their oWn circles of influence, but the special thoughts that they have. The ability to spoke Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump in a Way that Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump isnt capable of not responding. They can goad him, they can send him off message, they can send him spiraling into days of angry all caps posts on his oWn Ws/social-media'>Social Media platform, and at a time in the Ws/campaign-season'>Campaign Season Where every Ws/days-neWs-cycle'>Days NeWs Cycle counts, that is an added benefit to their Ws/star-poWer'>Star PoWer. Reporter its an added benefit in the eyes of Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign aides that ive been talking to and its also sort of echoing What Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris tried to do and What her campaign believes she successfully did during the debate Which is needle Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. Remember, she called him boring and said that he Was fired by millions and millions of americans. It Was that kind of messaging that they felt like really made her shine during the debate and made former president Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump not Want to do a second debate, Which is What Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris is saying she Wants to do. Shes going to see youre going to hear more of that leaning into humor, leaning into joy, but youre also, again, going to be really trying to draW the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign a really sharp contrast to former president Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump because they do believe that undecided voters Will also be moved by that. The other thing that ive been hearing from folks is that they Want to see Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama, former first lady Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama out on the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail. We are not sure Where shes going to be but i remember as soon as the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President became the top of the Ws/ticket-someone'>Ticket Someone told me We hope that they park Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama in a place like Ws/north-carolina'>North Carolina or georgia and just have her talk to people over and over again. So there is some hope in the democratic party that you also Will see the other obama Who some people say even delivered a better speech at the dnc talking about the idea that former Ws/president-trump'>President Trump Was maybe going after black jobs, going after that sort of meme and that moment Where a lot of Ws/african-americans'>African Americans and a lot of people around the country Were laughing at Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump saying that immigrants Were taking, quote, unquote, black jobs meaning possibly menial jobs. It became a Ws/running-joke'>Running Joke among a lot of Ws/african-americans'>African Americans. It is feeling like an all hands on Ws/deck-election'>Deck Election because the polls are so close and because even in the last feW days We saW the Ws/firefighters-union'>Firefighters Union choose not to endorse Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris or former Ws/president-trump'>President Trump, Which is seen as a bloW to harris because they Were one of the first unions to back biden. Nicolle. David jolly, i think yamiche is absolutely right. The polls shoW this is a very tight race. It is the assessment as Ws/yamiche-is-reporting-inside'>Yamiche Is Reporting Inside the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign this is a very, very tight race Where every single Ws/neWs-cycle'>NeWs Cycle matters, Where every single door knocked on matters, Where every single strategic decision could have implications on Ws/election-day'>Election Day, Where people are already voting. So everything thats happening in this context, in this climate, could be influencing someones choice. Let me shoW you What the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President had to say in Ws/detroit-today'>Detroit Today Ws/en-route-to-flint'>En Route To Flint Where yamiche is noW. We Will not be fooled, We Will not be gaslighted. Donald trumps Ws/track-record'>Track Record is a disaster for Working people, and hes trying to gaslight people all over our country. But We knoW the facts and We knoW the truth. He is an existential threat to americas labor movement. Just look at his Ws/track-record'>Track Record to knoW. He said he Was the only one Who could bring back americas Ws/manufacturing-jobs'>Manufacturing Jobs. Then america lost nearly 200,000 Ws/manufacturing-jobs'>Manufacturing Jobs When he Was president. Making Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump one of the biggest losers of Ws/manufacturing-jobs'>Manufacturing Jobs in american history. Again, this campaign making very thoughtful and very strategic decisions at this point because they knoW they have to. Thats right. Nicolle, i think those remarks really shed some light on the diversity of this coalition that We Were just talking about With Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and others because i bet Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney Would disagree everything Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris just said there. Liz cheney understands its not just about the danger to the constitution. Theres something more impactful and controversial about the Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney piece of this coalition With the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris Who is talking about Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump busting unions because Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney Would probably be okay With that part, but the controversial part is this, Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney stood in front of that croWd and said im a Ws/ronald-reagan'>Ronald Reagan conservative, but she Was also a Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump republican. She stuck With him in 16 and 20. When Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump said, russia, are you listening, invited Ws/vladimir-putin'>Vladimir Putin to tamper in the 2016 election, When he called for the muslim ban, When We learned about the Ws/access-hollyWood'>Access HollyWood tape, When he got impeached for the Ws/russia-ukraine-scandal'>Russia Ukraine Scandal to try to interfere in the 2020 election Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney Was With him. Liz cheney supported his appointments to the Ws/supreme-court'>Supreme Court. Liz cheney supported his tax cuts. It Was only because of Ws/january-6th'>January 6th only because of Ws/january-6th'>January 6th that she broke. She Was not a never trumper. She is noW a trump is dangerous and that is actually intriguing. Thats not to slight Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, its to suggest that this coalition of people Who are trying to beat Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump is broadening because you have Ws/vice-president'>Vice President s Ws/core-message'>Core Message around values for an economy for all people. Traditional Ws/democratic-progressive'>Democratic Progressive values to lift up all people With access to the Ws/economy-and-health'>Economy And Health care and education. You have that traditional piece of the coalition. You then have this coalition of never trumpers that When they heard Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump in 15 and 16 and 17 and so on say absolutely not, im not a part of this party, but then you have this Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney lane. That Was a part of the party all the Way to Ws/january-6'>January 6 and that makes her voice maybe the most poWerful of all to say, Wait a minute, i actually Was With Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump With all of these things. Shes more like someone Who Worked in the Ws/White-house'>White House maybe to try to temper his Worst impulses but stuck With him, Was part of his team. Then When Ws/january-6'>January 6 came she said, this man is a threat to the constitution. That is a poWerful message from Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney. And so Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris is in a great spot Where she can talk about the threat of Ws/trumps-populism'>Trumps Populism and ideology toWards Working class voters, toWards people Who Want to participate in america for all people, While Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney ignore the ideological part and simply say to republicans Who may have been With trump all along, Wait a minute, hes dangerous to our democracy. He is Willing to shred the constitution to advance his oWn cling to poWer. Thats a broad coalitiWs/on-and'>On And you knoW as Well as anyone in politics its about addition not subtraction. Vice Ws/president-harris'>President Harris is adding to her coalition right noW. Donald trump is not. I mean, i think the other thing, rev, thats important strategically to build on What Ws/david-jolly'>David Jolly laid out, is the coalition building, right, is the quilt and thats about stitching the quilt, but the mood and the moment in Which people vote is about lifting the Whole quilt up and making people understand that this is not business as usual. You knoW, the house thats on fire. And this is not a static climate. This is a moment Where every single day if the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign can help a large sWath of voters understand, Who may be undecided not betWeen trump and harris, but Whether or not to vote. Who may for Whatever reason feel distance from our politics all together. But What Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, i think, does for the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign at a strategic level is she lifts this moment out of Ws/republican-democrat'>Republican Democrat to, oh, my god, What is going on that Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney is standing next to the democratic nominee for president. It puts the context back into this moment unlike any other. There is no question about it because not only is the quilt noW having different patches, the ability to raise it is to say that We are broader and We all are going to freeze to death if We dont cover ourself With this quilt. It is not a normal campaign and the more that We make it clear to people that this is not just youre hearing your regular people come out, but that there is a threealarm, Ws/fivealarm-fire'>Fivealarm Fire here that Will burn doWn democracy, thats Where your extra vote is going to come. Things feel good on the ground sometimes, but it Ws/felt-good'>Felt Good With Ws/hillary-clinton'>Hillary Clinton, but youre bringing in With Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, thats Why the Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney factor is so important. Something Ws/hillary-clinton'>Hillary Clinton never had, something Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama never had. Thats right. And i think that that needs to be raised up even more so because if you do regular things youre going to get to the same regular result. This is not regular. This is unprecedented and it needs to be emphasized. I think thats right. We need to sneak in a break but i Want to pick up Where you left off because i think its also the strategic frame that the campaign made this choice, yesterday, right . Its not just shoWing up With Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, its shoWing up at the birthplace of the Ws/republican-party'>Republican Party. Thats right. To look at republican voters and say, this is not your party. This is this Ws/maga-perversion'>Maga Perversion of this thing you love. Liz cheney, thats your party. I Want to ask you i Want to ask you hoW that sort of We Will keep the quilt going, but i Want to ask you hoW that all stays stitched together for 30 days. No one is going anyWhere. Also ahead for us, Ws/caroline-giuliani'>Caroline Giuliani has endorsed Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris, she joins the program With a dire Warning about Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump and the havoc he can Wreak on peoples lives and the country. Later in the broadcast a neW documentary based on the intrepid reporting of our colleague Ws/jacob-soboroff'>Jacob Soboroff pulled the curtain back on trumps depravity in one of the darkest chapters of the trump presidency, the cruel and inhumane policy of literally separating very young children, infants in some instances, from their moms and dads at the border. 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Whats interesting about the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign in this moment is they figured out something that i think the rest of us have sort of grappled With for mine years and thats Where to put this democracy versus autocracy issue, and it is it is sort of the you knoW, the fan, right, thats bloWing around Ws/all-of-us'>All Of Us. Its the storm thats coming. And i think What the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign has done is theyve laid out the issues so artfully. Theyve been telling her story in a Way that resonates. Every pollster says the more people see and hear from her the more Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris Ws/approval-rating'>Approval Rating goes up, the tighter the polls get. When you have someone like Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and i expect Ws/president-obama'>President Obama Will do the same, making these arguments about the moment, it lifts up everything that the Ws/harris-campaign'>Harris Campaign has been doing. Absolutely. And you have to lift it up so that more people are that are not in this tent, republican that tent, democrat that tent, independent, is saying, Wait a minute, this is about me. And i do not think you could have had a better person to drive that home than Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney. And i never thought i Would live to say that about any cheney. I Was trying to keep a straight face. Right. But because this being someone that is the political opposite of many of us saying, Wait a minute, We can lose a democracy its one thing for a democratic governor to say that or even some of us in civil rights. This is Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, Ws/dick-cheney'>Dick Cheneys daughter, third in leadership of the republicans, Who as david said, supported trump. Shes saying it. If this gets the attention of people that are tired of politics as usual because noW its not about politics as usual, its really about the democracy of this country being sustained. You knoW, Ws/david-jolly'>David Jolly, im late to fully appreciate hoWWell Worn the disinformation is around some corners of the electorate that theyre going to need to turn out for this Ws/prodemocracy-coalition'>Prodemocracy Coalition and Ws/sara-longWell'>Sara LongWell calls it the manosphere. People are luld into normizing Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump or into th need for voting. This need to lift the moment up, for the dire emergency it is for campaign. Our W of lif it is. And i think thats the poWer of the Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney moment. And i knoW it often can sound like im dragging her. I mean, she Was not an original to the never trump movement, in fact, many never trumpers fought against the likes of Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and Ws/mitch-mcconnell'>Mitch Mcconnell and kevin mccarthy, the republicans Who kneW better but they stayed With him. Whats sometimes hard to relate to, the poWer of What shes doing, is so many Ws/republicans-today'>Republicans Today are right Where Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney is. They Were okay With trumps policies, they Were fine With it. Maybe it didnt fit right With reaganism but it Ws/felt-good'>Felt Good enough to them that they stuck With trump through everything and they Want his policies. But When it comes to protecting the Ws/constitution-torques'>Constitution Torques actually have a voice like Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney say, Wait a minute, our guy, my guy, tried to tom the constitution, tried to tom the country for his oWn poWer on Ws/january-6'>January 6, he must be stopped, that is a different message than What you hear from Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris. Sure, Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris talks about protecting democracy, but shes got more to say about it. You knoW, in the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris message she can talk about the fact that you dont get to experience a free and fair economy Without a Working democracy, you dont get to debate reproductive rights Without a Working democracy, you dont get to fight for the right to unionize or get to talk about ac Ws/health-care'>Health Care or housing if you dont have a healthy democracy. Notice in Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheneys speech she doesnt talk about any of those issues. A baseline of hers is that she disagrees With Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris on all of that. Being able to isolate the raW danger of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump, Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney gets to speak specifically to Ws/trump-republican'>Trump Republicans. She is not the disaffected republican Who never Went along, she Was a Ws/trump-republican'>Trump Republican its not to pen great her, its her as the messenger to say republicans you knoW better, you knoWWs/donald-trump'>Donald Trump is a danger. Trust me, im Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, ive been With you all along. Thats a persuadable voice in this arena that Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris is certainly fortunate to have. The big piece of this that is a strategic imperative for the Ws/hayes-ris'>Hayes Ris candidacy is the economy, among Ws/female-voters'>Female Voters Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris has closed the gap in terms of trust in the economy. This is from today, quote, Ws/job-groWth'>Job GroWth accelerated in september and the Ws/unemployment-rate'>Unemployment Rate ticked loWer. Employers added 254 thost jobs last month, significantly more than exists expected and, mark, the largest monthly increase since march, the Ws/unemployment-rate'>Unemployment Rate 3. 4 . This may be the data that they have the most time and Ws/running-room'>Running Room to make sure they get in front of voters looking at the november election. Tell me their plans for highlighting that. Reporter its really interesting. The Ws/vice-president'>Vice President is having to balance the idea she Wants to talk about hoWWell the economy is doing on paper. Or Ws/unemployment-rate'>Unemployment Rate being loW. People are still struggling at home. She continues to sort of try to balance that. And the strategy really is to continue to tell voters i hear you and i see you. I Want to not just look at numbers and say, hey, this graph looks good for the economy. I also Want to tell you here is the best Way to get higher Wages, the best Way to loWer Ws/gas-prices'>Gas Prices and loWer grocery prices. She understands that for voters especially the persuadable voters, undecided voters that their internal data theyre saying its still out there to be Won. They realize they need to be that Ws/she-people'>She People really understand they have a president a possible president in Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris that Will really try to understand their pain and i think that thats the thing that i think is going to be really, really hard and a challenge here. When i talk to voters they say, okay, yeah, unemployment is hard but hoW many times do i have to have an intervieW before i get a job and Whats a Ws/goodpaying-job'>Goodpaying Job . HoW hard is it to get one of those . Also hoW hard is it to get a pension or savings for retirement . Even if the numbers on paper are good just talking to voters and talking to campaign officials theres a lot of Work to be done on hoW to translate into every day peoples lives. Before We let you go What is happening behind you . HoW many people are expected . Who is speaking . Tell us about Whats happening behind you. Reporter you mean the elephant in the room, the loud croWd . We cant ignore them anymore. Reporter right. This is a very big croWd. There Was a sign that says a neWWay forWard. Also michigan for Ws/harris-and-Walz'>Harris And Walz and freedom for michigan. This is really going to be a campaign Where shes going to be trying to hammer home the idea she is not just going to be good for all americans but specifically michigan. She is going to talk about the fact that j. D. Vance a Ws/running-mate'>Running Mate of former president Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump that he is not submitth committed to giving the Ws/500-million'>500 Million grant that Ws/president-biden'>President Biden said he Would give to Ws/general-motors'>General Motors to build and convert a Ws/factory-building'>Factory Building cadillacs into electric vehicles. Shes going to say im going to be looking out for Ws/union-jobs'>Union Jobs and make sure that that Ws/500-million'>500 Million comes to michigan. She Will be draWing that contrast to j. D. Vance and former president Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump and it is a ruckus croWd. Many told me to tell you hello, a lot of big msnbc Watchers here excited to see Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris and also excited to see you, nicolle. Yamiche, you are a superstar, able to listen and talk With us While thats all going on behind you and covering it Without miss ago beat. Thank you for starting us off. David and rev, stick around for the rest of the hour. BetWeen the electiWs/on-and'>On And the start of a neW supreme Ws/court-term'>Court Term its going to be a very, very busy stretch here for legal moves, for all the Ws/neWs-and-analysis'>NeWs And Analysis sign up for the deadline legal neWsletter. Just folloW the Ws/qr-code'>Qr Code on your screen right noW. 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To the Ws/World-rudy-giuliani'>World Rudy Giuliani is, among other things, Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trumps former attorney Who according to special Ws/counsel-jack'>Counsel Jack smiths filing out just this Week a desperate Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump turned to because he kneW giuliani Was, quote, Willing to falsely claim Ws/victory-and-spread'>Victory And Spread knoWingly false claims of election fraud, end quote. To Ws/caroline-giuliani'>Caroline Giuliani hes also her dad. Her dad Who she feels she has lost to Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. Caroline Writes this in a Ws/brandneW-piece'>BrandneW Piece for vanity fair, quote, Watching my Ws/dads-life'>Dads Life crumble since he joined forces With Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump has been extraordinarily painful. Both on a personal level and because his demise feels linked to a dark force that threatens to once again consume america. Take it from me, she Writes, trump destroys everything he touches. I saW it happen to my family. Dont let it happen to yours or to our country. Kamala harris Will guide us into a brighter future, but only if We unite behind her. Joining us noW is Ws/caroline-giuliani'>Caroline Giuliani, david and the rev are still here. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. What is this like to be telling the truth about loving your father, but also using using your platform to endorse Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris . Yeah, it Was it Was really challenging to figure out hoW to express these feelings and figure out if i had the strength to share them, but i think for a lot of this election ive been Watching With so many americans in Ws/disbelief-and-horror'>Disbelief And Horror at the idea of a 34time convicted felon Who refused to participate in the peaceful transfer of poWer being so close to the presidency again, but that disbelief also paralyzed me for a While. I think there just came a moment Where i Was thinking about my future children Who i very much hope to have and i saW these tWo paths for our country, one under Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump, Which Was full of destructiWs/on-and'>On And cruelty, and one under Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris in Which Women can have autonomy over their bodies again, in Which our government recognizes that Ws/climate-change'>Climate Change is real and is doing something about it, a government Who respects gay people and trans people and people of color and Women and people With disabilities and doesnt treat them like secondclass citizens and also a government that remains a democracy because that Will not happen if We elect trump again. I think its really important to remember that this is about so much more than the next four years because the type of damage that trump Will inflict a second time around may not be reversible. I dont think its something We Will be able to just fix in four years. He Will change the fabric of our institutions and that is something that We may not be able to come back from. Caroline, hoW does he get people like your dad to help him do all those things . You knoW, i cant really speak to What is in other peoples minds or Why they make the decisions that they make. I think poWer is very alluring, but i think the more important question is Why hes caused such division among so many families in this country. I mean, you Were just talking about it before i came Ws/on-and'>On And its really true, this is so relatable, having this chasm in your family over trump. And the reason for that is because he speWs toxic cruelty and When you are a Woman or a person of color or a gay person or a Ws/trans-person'>Trans Person and someone that you love supports a man like that, it is really hard to reconcile that support With their love for you. So i Want healing for our country and i do Want us to find the common humanity in one another, even When We disagree about politics even noW, but if trump becomes the president again, that Will not be possible. Kamala harris is our only path to healing and i think she presents a really beautiful path to healing for us. Healing for us. Caroline, you just said sWs/ome-thing'>Ome Things so profound i dont Want to speed through it. One of the Ways that trump has sort of turned up the toxicity in america is to divide families along these Ws/fault-lines'>Fault Lines Where the things that you may hold most dear and precious, your oWn family or your safety, are threatened by someone you love to pieces, supporting the very person that threatens you. What do you think trumps allure and maybe it is just simply the poWer, but What do you think it is that makes smart and accomplished men like your dad choose trump over the people and issues they love . Like your dad you knoW, the first thing you said is trump is someone With 34 felonies. Your father is knoWn the World over as a Ws/prosecutor-and-laW'>Prosecutor And LaW and Ws/order-guy'>Order Guy for better or for Worse. He is all in With someone Who is diametrically opposed to What the brand used to be. Yeah. Yeah. You knoW, its a hard phenomenon to understand. It definitely is. I vieW trump as a disease and i think its really important to remember that With every Ws/disease-prevention'>Disease Prevention is a much more effective strategy than treatment and i really fear that if We elect trump again that, you knoW i thought We had cured ourselves of it the first time, but it doesnt seem like We have. And i think if he becomes the president again, We may have a terminal illness in our country and that really, really scares me. I Want to do tWo things. I Want to read from your piece, i Want to ask you to stick around and i Want to bring david and the rev in on this. 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Caroline, let me read from your beautiful piece, you Write, there are unmistakable reminders of trumps destructive trail all around us and it has broken my heart to Watch my dad become one of them. Not to disregard individual accountability but it Would be naive for us to ignore the fact that many of those closest to trump have didi ended into catastrophic doWnWard spirals. If We let trump back into the drivers seat this fall our country Will be no exception. What do you think leads people to think it Will be different, right . By the time your dad Was part of this Ws/jim-comey'>Jim Comey had been fired and left out, Ws/andreW-mccabe'>AndreW Mccabe i mean, people Who had served in the justice department, might have been people that shared some of your dads skill set, had been discarded. What do you think people think When it comes to trump they Will be treated differently . I dont knoW they do think that. I think the important thing to i dont knoW if they think about that at all. I think the important thing to remember is that trump is the only one Who has evaded accountability for his actions and the only Way to hold him accountable is to make sure he doesnt become the president again because think the Ws/supreme-court'>Supreme Court immunity ruling. If he becomes the president he Will never face consequences for these actions and, in fact, he Will have more leeWay to break laWs than an average citizen, Which is absolutely crazy to me. If you look at a man like that, a man Who literally is exactly Who you Would cast as a dictator in a movie and you think about him With unchecked poWer and you are okay With that is correct i think you really need to reconsider your line of thought. What is your if you are comfortable ansWering this question, if you are not We can move on, but What is your current relationship With your dad . HoW often do you talk to him . HoW is he doing . Yeah, i love my dad very much and that is something that made this hard. I spoke out for biden four years ago and it Was a different landscape then for me personally. So, you knoW, this Was much more painful and i love my dad. We dad. We talk openly about our feelings about things and its a challenge. But, again, so many other families have this same challenge. It is really you said it Was unique. It isnt unique. It is a little bit larger than life. And public. But it is not unique, you knoW. And i really Want us to be able to disagree about politics, i think that is so important for our democracy, but i dont believe that We have a path to doing that under trump. I think Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris is the only person that can restore our ability to disagree peacefully. Caroline, What do you think hoW do you separate the things your dad did in service to Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump and the lives that Were shattered like Ws/shay-moss'>Shay Moss and Ws/ruby-freeman'>Ruby Freeman . Yeah, Watching Ws/ruby-freeman'>Ruby Freeman and Ws/shay-moss'>Shay Moss share their stories Was gutWrenching and difficult and i feel so bad for Ws/everything-theyve'>Everything Theyve gone through. I cant imagine that pain. And that is Why im so excited to support Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris Who has spent her Ws/life-fighting'>Life Fighting for citizens, not against them. Like, she Would never do anything like this. It is so clear that trump didnt care about citizens. He Willing to step on anyones backs to keep poWer and that is not someone Who deserves the highest office in our land. Rev, this is central to the first part of the hour and the conversations that We had about this moment is so extraordinary that caroline is speaking out, not just about not supporting trump, but about her enthusiastic support for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris. Because of What it is done not just to her family, but to, as she said, it is not unique, it is almost universal, the division that trump seWs inside of families. I think i Was a big critic of Ws/rudy-giuliani'>Rudy Giuliani, but i found no joy in the fall Where he is noW. Who could Want to see a guy that, Whether you agree WereW him or not, end up in this situation. And for caroline, Who doesnt unlike Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, the reason i give her credit, she stepped out there and shoWed a lot of courage and her father said and im voting for kamala. Shes going against her father and doing public statements and saying i am not only disagreeing With my father in terms of trump, im going to enthusiastically support Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. She should be given a lot of credit for that. I give her a lot ever credit for that. Im looking at her Ws/talk-and-hope'>Talk And Hope i never put my daughters in that position. It is all almost too painful to process in the context of the campaign. But it is imperative that We do that, Ws/david-jolly'>David Jolly. It is imperative that We open up this part of our minds and our hearts to the carnage that is actually come about. Because of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. It is, look, i think there is a cultural conversation to have and Weve been having it for eight years but there is something unique and criminal about Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. And i guess as caroline is still With us, i dont knoW if this is a question or a comment she might Want to respond to, i think We see a lot of people fall out of their political loyalty to Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. When your in the fox hole, it is almost blind loyalty, you stick together. Lindsey graham, We didnt think he Would stick With Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump but he does it because theyre on the same team. But Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump invited criminality into the pike. I agree With revs remarks and i think most people share the heartbreak of the fall of americas mayor. And Ws/the-one'>The One thing that im alWays intrigued about is, did Ws/rudy-giuliani'>Rudy Giuliani go as far as he did because he exposed himself to risk as an ally of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. He knoWWhat he did in ukraine trying to topple the u. S. Ambassador or fact that he tried to instigate the investigation into the bidens and We knoWWhat he did With the 2020 election. At some point every kid understands once youre in trouble and you say im sorry and i did it and step back or go further doWn that road and try to fix it and it seems people close to trump, to Ws/aiding-and-abetting'>Aiding And Abetting trump, got so far doWn the road and exposed themselves criminally in some cases that then there Was no going back. Is that too far of a read, perhaps, if caroline is still With us or is it a little bit of both . Go ahead, caroline . You knoW, as i said, i think everybody needs to be accountable for their oWn actions and im not here to litigate anything. Im here to say that i Want Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris to be our next president because i believe that she Will be a Ws/role-model'>Role Model to my future children. And When i look at Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris talk and When i look at trump talk, even if you just take the politics out of it and i ask myself, Who do i Want my children to learn from, Who do i Want representing me, there is no question, Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris is the only choice. If you Were asked to campaign for Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris, you have been asked to campaign for Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris, caroline . The campaign reached out to thank me. If you Were asked to campaign for her and to make this case publicly, is that something that you Would do With the name that means something to a lot of republicans . Yeah, i think im already doing it. I think so too. More of it, yes. We have so little time and this is so important and as i said, this is not just about the next four years, this is about the rest of our lives. So yes, absolutely. Let me give you the last Word on the piece that you Write about to beautifully and i agree With you, there is a universality of plan families that are separated among generational Ws/fault-lines'>Fault Lines. A lot of it has at its Ws/root-disinformation'>Root Disinformation and lies. What do you think heals the addiction to lies in the rapid dissemination from trumps allies in Ws/social-media'>Social Media . HoW do you think because i think a lot of people hope that the healing Will start With the election of president Ws/joe-biden'>Joe Biden and i think in a lot of Ways the patient is just as sick to use your analogy. Yeah, i mean, i think it does start With listening to one another. And that is something that ive continued to try to do. 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As he takes hi Ws/star-poWer'>Star PoWer to the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail. Next Ws/Week-campaigning'>Week Campaigning for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris in pittsburgh. The event next thursday Will be his first foray into the election of a Ws/battleground-state'>Battleground State. According to a campaign official, it Will launch a larger effort on his part as he Will ramp up his campaigning for harris in the final stretch of the election season. Obamas effort marking a full circle moment. Kamala harris Was an early supporter of his 2008 campaign. She knocked doors for him. So far the former president s Work on behalf of harris has raised 76 million. That is from Ws/fundraising-content'>Fundraising Content signed by him and events featuring him. So having the democratic heavy hitter out on the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail Will bring the Ws/excitement-and-energy'>Excitement And Energy to a Whole neW level. It is not only harris Who is receiving support from Ws/president-obama'>President Obama. Hes also endorsing democrats and important doWn ballot races. Today he released a neW ad for Ws/elissa-slotkin'>Elissa Slotkin running for senate in a crucial sWing state. Michigan, this is Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama. I Want to talk With you about the Ws/elissa-slotkin'>Elissa Slotkin i knoW. Shes a true Ws/public-servant'>Public Servant Who has dedicated her career to serving Ws/the-american'>The American people. No matter Who is in the Ws/White-house'>White House. I saW that Ws/leadership-and-character'>Leadership And Character up close. In the situation room, she delivered national security briefings on some of the toughest issues Were dealing With. That is Why i sent elissa to negotiate on my behalf because she understand When to compromise and stand firm and i nominated her to be a Ws/assistant-secretary'>Assistant Secretary of defense. Shes the kind of leader that We need. Tough, independent, and effective. Shell get the job done. And she Will make you proud. That is just 32 days left until Ws/election-day'>Election Day for the president ial race Will determine the policies of the next four years. But also ansWer a fundamental question. A question about What We become and that We remain a democracy or not. Turning to something very, very different. These efforts by the former president could prove highly consequential in ansWering that question. We could only assume hell deliver some of the same messages of Ws/hope-and-enthusiasm'>Hope And Enthusiasm With a little side of humor that We saW in his convention address. Here is a Ws/78yearold-billionaire'>78yearold Billionaire Who has not stopped Whining about his problems since he rode doWn his golden escalator nine years ago. It has been a constant stream of gripes and grievances that has actually been getting Worse noW that hes afraid of losing to kamala. There is the childish nicknames. The crazy Ws/conspiracy-theories'>Conspiracy Theories. This Weird obsession With croWd sizes. It just goes Ws/on-and'>On And Ws/on-and'>On And on. We knoW exactly What did he there. No one does it better. This is Where We start the hour. Washington Ws/bureau-chief'>Bureau Chief for the grillo, Ws/april-ryan'>April Ryan is back With me at the table democratic Ws/strategist-and-professor'>Strategist And Professor at columbia university, political Ws/analyst-basil-smikle'>Analyst Basil Smikle is back, also joining us the host of the on Ws/brand-podcast-donnie'>Brand Podcast Donnie deutsche is here. And i talked to a couple of folks in and around the Ws/campaign-today'>Campaign Today Where everything is possible. And in either direction. It is possible to have the energy of sort of her surprise announcement, the kids call the sWitch, When Ws/president-biden'>President Biden stepped aside and to have the coordinated messaging from Ws/president-obama'>President Obama and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama and Ws/vice-president'>Vice President harris and to have the stakes of Ws/novembers-election'>Novembers Election by Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney, that this is not choosing betWeen democratic polies and republican polies, this is choosing Whether or not We remain a democracy. But you have to run the table. You have to do all of these things and president and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama are so central to all of that. I think it Was i think there is excitement and people are getting ready to cover them but there is also relief that We have them on the trail next Week. And the republicans dont. The republicans do not have that kind of it is a party of one. It is Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. Who is it . Is it Ws/lindsey-graham'>Lindsey Graham or Ws/mitch-mcconnell'>Mitch Mcconnell or Ws/matt-gaetz'>Matt Gaetz . They dont have it. It is not there. So We have the democrats have on our im a prodemocracy guy. They have probably the greatest politician of our lifetime, one of the greatest of all time and someone Who bridges a lot of bridges. Young to old, people of color and White people. It is he cuts across and he does it With such charm, honesty, integrity, likeability. You just lean in and i cant Wait to see him With her. We saW him at the convention. We didnt see them together. And i think the energy of the tWo of them together is going to be magical. We need them noW. We need michelle. It is doWn to the stretch. And you talk to trump people, and theyre nervous and you talk to harris people and theyre nervous. It is anybodys game. And something like him could really be an x factor. Everyone is nervous because i think it is really close. It is a margin of error election. And i think the idea What Ws/president-obama'>President Obama and michelle brohm, i have to say privately, Weve been quoting do something and nervously Waiting for them to do their thing, because hes the most talented politician in the country right noW. And im just trying to mentally that is full stop. I think anyone can assert that. He also has a Ws/track-record'>Track Record on the Ws/campaign-trail'>Campaign Trail. I his final speech i think Was Ws/sunday-night'>Sunday Night before the midterms in philly, With josh shapiro, Was a Ws/campaign-speech'>Campaign Speech for the ages. Hes someone Who keeps getting better and better and is as good or some Ways better on behalf of other candidates than he Was for himself. Talk about the poWer of the obamas. Well, you knoW, With Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama for What you just said, he has this ability to reset the national conversation. Correct. And ive seen him do that time and time again. Even back to his 07, 08 race. When hes attacked, okay ill take that and then lets talk about this noW. He has an incredible ability to do that. And i just for a second Will talk about michelle brohm. Because in the clip, that part of the convention, she made a point, Which Was someWhat appreciatent to What We Were saying there Was a moment Where some republican Ws/talking-points'>Talking Points start to see in and i see on my Ws/feed-antikamala'>Feed Antikamala tWeets about Ws/african-americans'>African Americans, Which is concerning, i dont knoW if Ws/elon-musk'>Elon Musk has the finger on the button, ienl seeing that a lot more. If im seeing it, that means there is a lot seeping in. So at this moment that Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama Was talking about, ignore it. Her point Was if you dont get that phone call, if you the came may not knock on your door, understand that shes doing something in the short period of time that most people have tWo years to do and shes building a campaign and an operation With money and volunteers that is going to get out that vote. And so it is a bit of his oratory ability, but it is also a reassurance to voters that the standard bearer, if youre a democrat, the standard bearer is out there With you. That the most gifted oratories of our day, is trying to unite the country in the Way that he did many years ago When he first ran. And even if there is a moment Where voters With respect to trump may have an amnesia, to your point, donnie, they dont have the ability to remind people of the past in the Way that Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama do. And Ws/president-obama'>President Obama is the trump origin story. No one triggers trump the Way that Ws/president-obama'>President Obama does. And trump rises to the particular crevices of the far right on birtherism. So, hes not Ws/president-obama'>President Obama is not a foil, it is not a simple surrogate relationship, i mean, obama triggers trump in a Way that is almost unknoWable. There is something that happens When Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama comes on. Everything seems okay. There really With trump We knoW there is Ws/chaos-and-kamala'>Chaos And Kamala is a unknoWn Ws/no-matter'>No Matter hoW you slice it. And he comes Ws/on-and'>On And there is a relief factor. There is a you just trust this guy and you think everything is going to be okay. And i knoW there is nobody in the country that has the ability to do that. And as i said earlier, cutting across a lot of segments. And i really think that that hes going to be profound in this election. I think it is that close that i think him and the energy, the kick start, that he could give to the campaign With all that he brings to it, i think could be magical. Im really looking forWard to this. And Ws/april-ryan'>April Ryan, he doesnt lull you into everything being okay. He and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama tell you What to do if you Want things to be okay and if you vieW being okay as continuing Ws/the-american'>The American experiment. Yeah, nicolle, the obamas particularly former Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama, as you have been saying, his smile is electric and his Ws/confidence-assurance'>Confidence Assurance and people gravitate to them because of their realness, their authenticity. Barack obama and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama have been every person. Theyve been poor, and theyve struggled through middle class to upper class noW. They are every person. People understand them. And for Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama to get in toWard the last 32 days, is the best thing that he could do. Because it is like reading a book or hearing a speaker or speaker. You remember the first one and the last one and Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama just offers a punch that Ws/no-one-else'>No One Else has given. He finds those little areas, those little spaces that need to be filled and he fills them. So Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama is one of the greatest oratories of our time, but i think Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama may have taken that at the dnc. But hes one of the greatest of our time. Hes a beloved united Ws/states-president'>States President , be it democrat or republican. His numbers are in the top ten according to historians and i believe this Will help her, particularly in states like michigan With the black populations like dearborn. It Will help in philadelphia and in places or pennsylvania more so in those suburbs of philadelphia. I believe Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama and Whatever charisma he has Will be dynamic for her and Will help i believe it is still tight but i think it Will help her in a lot of Ways. Weve been talking off camera and i just Want to i made this, that i Want to share my understanding, that the term undecided voters gets throWn around. And it is not one pile. It is not one bucket of people sitting at their table With their spouses or their kids saying im choosing betWeen kamala and donald. A handful of those people. Maybe four. A lot of it is democrats Who are undecided about Whether or not Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris, maybe they dont knoW her, maybe theyre a variety of reasons and they are republicans Who voted for trump once, sometimes tWice, but didnt like What they saW on Ws/january-6'>January 6, maybe they Were draWn to mike pence, so the undecided voters come from three buckets. They are people choosing betWeen the tWo but the campaigns are focused on people Who are undecided or disaffected democrats and republicans. I Want to shoW you hoWWs/president-obama'>President Obama spoke to them. We live in a time of such confusiWs/on-and'>On And rancor. With a culture that puts a premium on things that dont last. Money, fame, status, likes. We chase the approval of strangers on our phones. We build all manner of Walls and fences around ourselves and then We Wonder Why We feel so alone. We dont trust Ws/each-other'>Each Other as much because We dont take the time to knoWWs/each-other'>Each Other. And in that space betWeen us, politicians and algorithms teach us to caricature Ws/each-other'>Each Other and troll Ws/each-other'>Each Other. And fear Ws/each-other'>Each Other. In the speech that Was again for the ages, that Was one of my favorite sections and i Wonder What you make of that message in these final Weeks of the campaign, april . Yeah, nicolle, for him to be the man Who has used Ws/social-media'>Social Media to his advantage, hes really the first president Who Went straight to Ws/the-american'>The American public using Ws/social-media'>Social Media, and noW hes talking about the isolation of it. Which is real. NoW he Wants us engage and understand. And When it comes to Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris, you knoW, people say they dont knoW her, but one of the reasons, there are several reasons and im going to throW them at you. One because shes black and shes a Woman. Shes the first black Woman for the president said it is a doubleWhammy and people dismiss her as being a black Woman and lets put that on the table and it is real and authentic. TWo, because shes the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President behind a legend in politics, Ws/joe-biden'>Joe Biden, Who happens to be older and she could never upstage him. And i go back to What Ws/hillary-clinton'>Hillary Clinton said, imagine What Ws/the-american'>The American public Would have thought about her confronting Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump, Ws/no-matter'>No Matter What. Kamala harris is a Woman in a mans World in the male White male dominated game of politics. So people have to knoWWho she is and shea has to give that information over and over. Whereas people have read the Ws/book-cover'>Book Cover to cover on Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump and shut the book and said im not sure. So theyre trying to find out if they could stake their claim on Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris and this is the piece that Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama has to really put forWard as Well as Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama and the rest of the surrogates. Explain Who she is. Explain What she stands for. She has to shoWWho she is and be as authentic as she could be. So people could see, i like you. I Would have you have in my home for dinner and that is basically What it is about. ConnectiWs/on-and'>On And engagement. And the good piece of that equation, agree With the analysis completely, is that all of the data suggests that the more there is no issue on that front. That the mission from the campaign is, it is 32 days. She cant about everyWhere all at once. But everyWhere she goes and everyWhere they see her and put money behind paid messaging, and it Works. And alWays also. These are tWo likeable candidates. Shes doing 60 minutes next Week. And i think the campaign should also be highlighting is that trump is running. I mean, hes not doing the 60 minutes. He Wouldnt do the debate. And there is one flavor that out there people seem to like. The more it is out there the more Ws/it-trips'>It Trips over itself. And shes just out there and i think aprils point about, i kind of like her and invite her to my home and have a beer With, and she does come across as likeable. Ant this is not Ws/brain-surgery'>Brain Surgery and im going back to Where We started, the more Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama is out there, the better. I think there are some democrats that say she should be doing more media. Im a Ws/big-fan-of-local-m'>Big Fan Of Local M the average person is going to turn on their tv and Watch local and What is happening in my neighborhood and as long as she could sort of inject herself into those spaces, in small play small ball a little bit, podcasts, giving Ws/social-media'>Social Media Which her team is excellent at doing. I knoW there is some criticism about her in that regard. But im not so concerned about that. I Want her to be local. Because We spoke about something i have to touch on. One of the things that Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama do so Well is remind the country of hoWWs/donald-trump'>Donald Trump others us. All of us. All of us. And he has this ability, they both have this ability to bring people together and make you feel included, Which is to point on Ws/social-media'>Social Media, he Was making earlier. It is about the exclusivity that Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump seems to talk about and he embodied that the most Within our body structure. I have Ws/a-million'>A Million thoughts on the local this is national media person, i agree With you. I think local media and you see them, they are the people that you trust most. You sit doWn With any national Ws/media-figure'>Media Figure and there is a buy as before you said one Word. I mean, so, i couldnt agree more With local media. April ryan, thank you for starting us off. Lost among the headlines in this busy neWs Week. Another example of the disgraced Ws/ex-president'>Ex President s Ws/profound-unknitness'>Profound Unknitness to be the commanderinchief again. His outrageous comments about u. S. 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The neW ad playing out across Ws/battleground-state'>Battleground States as We speak quotes some of his old appointees. Watch. In 2016, Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump said he Would choose only the best people to Work in his Ws/White-house'>White House. NoW those people have a Warning for america. Trump is not fit to be president again. Here is his Ws/vice-president'>Vice President. Anyone Who puts themselves over the constitution should never be president of the Ws/united-states'>United States. I cannot in good conscience endorse Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump this year. His defense secretary. Do you think trump could be trusted With the nations secrets ever again. No. It is just irresponsible action that places our Ws/service-members'>Service Members at risk and our Ws/nations-security'>Nations Security at risk. His national security adviser. Donald trump Will cause a lot of damage. The Ws/ome-thing'>Ome Thing that he cares about is Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. And the nations former highest ranking military office. We dont take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator. We dont take an oath to a Wannabe dictator. Donald trump is too big of a risk for america. Said aside What other people have said, think about What trump has said. Hell deny to his last breath that he ever called our nations fallen heroes losers and suckers in private. But What he said in public much better. This is from this Week. Do you believe that you should have been tougher on iran after they have launched ballistic missiles in 2020 on u. S. Forces in iraq leaving more than 100 u. S. Soldiers injured. Injured, What does that mean. You mean because they had a headache, because the bombs never hit the fort. So just so you understand, there Was nobody ever tougher in iraq. Of course, When you play a trump clip, it is fraught With peril for us. He meant iran. He misspoke there. But the confusion is nothing alongside the utter disregard for the sacrifice and injuries endured by the men and Women serving country. Joining our coverage, retired u. S. Marine Ws/corp-lieutenant-colonel'>Corp Lieutenant Colonel and founder of democratic Ws/majority-action-pack'>Majority Action Pack Ws/amy-mcgrath'>Amy Mcgrath joins us. Amy, your reaction to those comments as part of a long really excruciating body of comments that shoW he has complete indifference to the sacrifices and contributions of the men and Women Who serve. Yeah, he denies disrespecting veterans but you see it right there. Hes so disconnected and the background of this Was, you knoW, recently, he and j. D. Vance have been pushing out this narrative that, you knoW, the World Was safer under his Watch. Almost like, there is no u. S. Service men or Women that Were injured or hurt under his Watch. And When he Was confronted With the truth, he basically dismissed it. Dismissed their injuries, traumatic Ws/brain-injuries'>Brain Injuries are very real. We learned so much in last 20, 30 years about hoW just terrible these injuries could be. Lifethreatening injuries, life altering injuries. And to dismiss them as headaches, i just think shoWs you the complete disregard, the disrespect for veterans. It is almost like he doesnt even knoW it. He disrespects veterans so much, that he doesnt even knoW hes doing it. And, so, again, as you said, part of a pattern that We see With Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. Amy, i keep thinking about hoW close the race is. I Wish i could Wake up one day and read the neWs and see that it had opened up that the Ws/prodemocracy-coalition'>Prodemocracy Coalition had sWamped Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. But it hasnt happened. And i Wonder, you knoW, you knoW some of the Ws/men-Who-saW'>Men Who SaW most of What trump did and said and really is to the military and as commander in chief, people are in Ws/tank-briefings'>Tank Briefings With him When he Was both ignorant and indifferent to hoW his decisions Would impact the men and Women of the military. I Wonder What Would you say if you Were sort of alone in a confront room With general kelly or Ws/mark-milley'>Mark Milley . Well, i Would make the distinction first of all those Who served the uniform and did not take political appointmentships afterWards or Work in a political capacity. So general milley is different than general kelly in that matter. If i Were to talk to them, i Would say shoWWs/the-american'>The American people or tell us What you saW. I think it is really important. Were talking about the most important position in the land. The most important position arguably, i think in the World as president of the Ws/united-states'>United States. So it is really important that they come forWard. But i Will say this, nicolle, a lot of folks already have come forWard. You played a clip of some of them already. And the key here is that their message, that message of unfitness, has to get out to voter and that is What my organization is Working on doing. Because a lot the voters arent Watching msnbc and not reading general Ws/mcchrystals-oped'>Mcchrystals Oped in the Ws/neW-york'>NeW York times and they have to been confronted With the reality that the people that Worked for him that are very respected believe that he is unfit to become commanderinchief again. And just based on Where the campaign is putting money, that ad is running. You have to imagine that the message, to amys point, When they reach voters are having an impact. This is What Ws/general-mcchrystal'>General Mcchrystal Wrote, Why Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris has Won me over. I thought deeply about my choice and considered What ive seen and heard and What i oWe my three granddaughters. Ive concluded that it isnt political tribalism, it is the best president my vote might help select so i have cast my vote for character and that vote is for Ws/vice-president'>Vice President Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. Harris has the strength and the temperament and the values to serve as commanderinchief and she sits doWn With Ws/World-leaders'>World Leaders like president of ukraine representing the Ws/united-states'>United States on the global stage, i have Ws/no-doubt'>No Doubt that shes Working in our national interest, not her oWn. Your thoughts about this is a closing message. I h a dozen times on this shoW, said give me the four generals, and kelly and millie and black and White footage talking mt. Rushmore. And i Would put on your old boss, W. , this is the time, our children hopefully are not going to be reading in textbooks 20, 30, 40, 50 years about hoW democracy Went this Way. This is the time. So Whether it is the generals, Whether it is expresident s and i think youre exports Would move the needle. Hes revered post the World looks at him in a very so it is time. Whoever has to speak. This is time. There is not going to be a second chance. A lot of people ask me about him. On and off television so ill just say, i Would like nothing more than for him to do that. For someone Who publicly and privately Was alWays Worried about What he called the isms, Ws/racism-and-isolationism'>Racism And Isolationism and What Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump has done and promises to do, crosses every line that has ever existed and in a bigger level democracy. If you care about living in a democracy and he has kids and grandkids and i dont intend to be influential With him as an aide or an Ws/ex-aide'>Ex Aide and miss bush, she Was the first voice that spoke to the country after 9 11. I think you read Ws/jack-smiths'>Jack Smiths filing this Week and you sort of there but for the grace of the actions of a feW men and Women, that Was, in the Words of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trumps oWn fbi diktor, act of terrorism. To think those that have influence that Were so far quiet, it Would haunt me for the rest of my days. Ill go to the ground here. In colorado, a county clerk, tina peters, Was sentenced to nine years for tampering With Ws/election-voting'>Election Voting machines. The prosecutor said that she made a joke of this community. And i think that is to me that resonated because is that not What Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump is good at doing. Shes taking people, manipulating them and you become a laughing stock. You become irrelevant and then you go aWay. But then there is damage done frp shes going to spend nine years of her life in prison, for What. To complete this lie and conspiracy. So i think part of the Ws/closing-argument'>Closing Argument that Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris is making, but Ws/barack-obama'>Barack Obama and Ws/michelle-obama'>Michelle Obama Will join her in making is saying, you spent your entire life, your children, raise children and grandchildren in these neighborhoods and you let Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump come in to make you a laughing stock. It is a Ws/pride-thing'>Pride Thing at Work here. And i think and there is nobody else that could make that send that message better. I also think that someWhat of trump has robbed a lot of people of is the art of the possible. Mitt romney is silent on the question of Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. And hell tell someone intervieWing him, that hes chilled and scared. I dont believe it. Because he may be. But if youre scared for your family and your loved ones, michelle said, you do something. You fight for Ws/the-one'>The One person Who Would protect us and keep us a democracy and i think What Ws/liz-cheney'>Liz Cheney and Ws/dick-cheney'>Dick Cheney do, is they make it uncomfortable for people to do nothing. But they havent done Ws/the-one'>The One thing, they havent endorsed Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris Who is the only person running on maintaining america as a democracy. And ill just say this, because i have to say it. You knoW, just being black is a political statement. Being Black Man and living past any 60s is a political statement. Every single day We Wake up and We have to confront everything that We talk about and have talked about over and over again. A lot of folks in this country dont knoWWhat that feels like and What that is. So, my point there is that, do something takes on a certain kind of meaning and res onnence to someone like me. But if you dont knoWWhat that feels like in this country, ask me. Ask someone Who has gone through it and i think one of things that makes the obamas so great, is because he Was able to do that. He Was able to say, We may disagree on a lot of issues and live many different spaces and you may feel isolated because of Ws/social-media'>Social Media but i Will tell you there is a lot of commonality betWeen us. And that to me is the kamala closing statement. But it is also something that i think, and i Was that is the message that needs to be hyper local and sent to a lot of voters that are that look like me but are younger than me Who still have concerns about Whether or not they should go out and vote for her. If that message gets doWn, and if that gets doWn to the root, then, i mean, this Ws/race-shouldnt'>Race Shouldnt be as close as it is. I feel like We need a Whole other hour to dig deeper. While We have amy, hoW does that apply to young men and Women of the military . Do you is that Where this message should be, to quote basil, hyper local and hyper specific and communicated from the most credible messengers that We have in our country. Yeah, absolutely. And that is Why We need to make sure that We talk about these high ranking former military officers Who have come out and over 750 of them have come out and endorsed Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. And you knoWWhat, What is interesting to me is it not just about respect from the lack of respect from Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. But you knoWWhat, folks in the military really care about, a lot, about is We Want a president Who is not chaotic. We Want a president Who is not going to do foreign policy by tWeet. Because Were on the tip of the sphere and We Want someone Who is competent and Will listen to her advisers and do the right thing and that is Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris and that is the message that is going to resonate to those in the military and their families. That is a good 30 second ad right there. Amy, if youre available, Well bring a Ws/camera-creW'>Camera CreW over. We have our Work cut out for us. I need you back here on monday. Thank you so much for spending time With us today. When We come back, Well turn to our colleague Ws/jacob-soberoff'>Jacob Soberoff, an Ws/academy-aWard-documentary'>Academy AWard Documentary maker Ws/errol-morris'>Errol Morris about one of the most cruel policies of the trump era. Child separation. Hell join us at the table next. N hell join us at the table next. Im adding doWny unstopables to my Wash. NoW ill be smelling fresh all day long. [sniff] still fresh. Still fresh With doWny unstopables, you just toss, Wash, WoW. For allday freshness. I still love to surf, snoWboard, yoand, of course, skate. So, i take Ws/qunol-magnesium'>Qunol Magnesium to support my Ws/muscle-and-bone'>Muscle And Bone health. 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We need you noW more than ever. Go online, call, or scan right noW. Magic johnson has just taken the stage in flint, michigan, in a rally for Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. Lets listen in. When i turned pro, i thought that Was going to be the greatest moment in my fathers life. But it Wasnt. The greatest moment is his life came When he finally oWned his oWn home. What does Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris Want to do as president , put millions of americans in their oWn home, give them 25,000 to start them off to be homeoWners. That is very important. Then, she Wants to also have more small business oWners. And shes going to help them out by giving them 50,000 for startups, neW small business oWners. Tax deductions. Shes smart. Shes strong. Shes passed. No one is going to outWork her. Shes committed to you, the people of the Ws/united-states'>United States, the people of michigan. Shes committed to you. Shes going to be a president for everybody. And Ws/the-one'>The One thing that shes going to do is find us and unite us and bring us together. That other party is trying to tear us doWn. [ booing ] and i got to say this because im back home, first of all, let me congratulate your tigers. I greW up a tiger fan. So im hoping that your tigers meet my dodgers for the World series, okay. But We have 32 days, that sound familiar . Someone Wore a number 32. You knoWWho that is. Until november 5th. NoW, We cant take anything for granted. Youve been Working hard but We need to Work harder. You got to call people and We got to knock on doors after and before church, not during church, but after and before church. We got to rally people. Talk to them. NoW, there is a lot of black men in here. And i dont mean to you knoW not talk to other people. But this is important. Our black men, We got to get them out to vote. That is number one. Kamalas opponent promised a lot of things last time to the black community. That he did not deliver on. And We got to make sure We help black men understand that. So that is Why im here. To make sure i help black men understand, first get out and vote, and then vote for the next president of the Ws/united-states'>United States, Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris. Magic johnson, famous the World over, also happens to be a michigan native delivering an extremely important and targeted political message on behalf of his friend Ws/kamala-harris'>Kamala Harris and hes knoWn for about 22 years. Were going to turn to our other big story this hour. Earlier this Week, at the Ws/vice-president'>Vice President ial debate, j. D. Vance opened the door to returning to one of our darkest periods. Not just the Ws/trump-press-presidency'>Trump Press Presidency and that Was Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump policy of fosiblely separated children from parents trying to immigrate to the country. Thousands of children Were taken from parents under this policy. Some as young as four months old. And kept in Wire cages. Doctors described the practice as dehumanizing and a form of child abuse. There Were Widespread reports of sexual abuse. Children Were subjected to medical treatment When dr. Equated With the cruelty of medical treatment under the soviet union. A neW film by Ws/jacob-soberoff'>Jacob Soberoff and the legendary Ws/errol-morris'>Errol Morris examines the origin of Ws/family-separation'>Family Separation and the danger if it Were to return. The government thought that shoWing the World separations through the eyes people like me, they Would scare the out of people that Were attempting to come from coming. Ive never seen anything like that. There Were about 1500 kids in there. Youre a parent. Dont you have any empathy for What they go through. This is right from the getgo. Someone must have been planning this. It is not over. Five years later Were still trying to reunite over A Thousand children. It could happen again. Jacob and errol join us noW. I remember sitting here, i remember What i Was Wearing, i remember the day, i remember Who Was around the table When your reporting Was leaving all of our neWscasts and When the first audio tapes, i think propublica had the first infant and the sounds of Wailing and it Was audio only, and i think hout is this not a stop everything moment. HoW are there people, Why arent people resigning. All of people With fingers on this policy have never been held accountable. The Way you put it, a stop everything moment, i think We forget that it Was at that time. The pope spoke out. Republicans and democrats Were in the streets not just in this country, but people of all political persuasions around the World cried out about this policy. And the reason i Wrote the book and i think that errol Wanted to make the film, ill let him speak for himself, to ask the question, hoW could this have happened and potentially be on the verge of happening again and hoW do We alloW it to happen and that explores only in the Way that errol can. So, hoW did this happen . I read a book. That is hoW it often happens. A book by Ws/jacob-soberoff'>Jacob Soberoff. I liked the book. It Was an important issue. Particularly for a jeW in america, Were all immigrants. We all came from someWhere else. And not just jeWs, maybe Ws/all-of-us'>All Of Us came from someWhere else. And there is something unamerican and something truly appalling about immigrants being vilified, demonized. Its disgusting. I dont knoW hoW else to put it. What does this say, that it is a essential hallmark of Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trumps closing message, to target legal immigrants from haiti . I think, im so glad that you pointed out that. Because it is a pattern of this campaign. I covered the republican convention Where the most popular sign at least amongst the attendees Was one that called for the Ws/mass-deportation'>Mass Deportation of more people than any other administration in the history of the Ws/united-states'>United States. That is by definition is Ws/family-separation'>Family Separation because you have mixed status families. J. D. Vance and some of our oWn colleagues Wont address Whether or not they Will bring back the Ws/family-separation'>Family Separation policy. Nor Will Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump. He hasnt ansWered the question himself. And i think that What Were looking at Were looking doWn the barrel of the exact same policy of potentially happening again in this moment and theyre employing the same rhetoric. And We Wouldnt be here and part of the reason that We Want to tell this story, it if it Wasnt for the bipartisan nature and the biden administration just put forWard one of the most conservative immigration bills but no one has done What the Ws/trump-administration'>Trump Administration has done and deployed it in the campaign in the Way theyre continuing to do. We hear arguments that this is been done before, this is no different from What Was done in the Ws/obama-administration'>Obama Administration, bush administration, the clinton administration. Did they have immigration policies that Were draconian, that Were filled With, i Would say, cruel policies, but nothing on this level. This represents something different and something neW and it is important to remember and acknoWledge that fact. When youre separating a tWomonthold Ws/nursing-infant'>Nursing Infant from his mother, that is a big, big difference. What is it that makes humans go along With it . Because Ws/donald-trump'>Donald Trump made the policy but there Were humans that carried it out. Humans are capable of doing anything as We Well knoW. You dont have to read much history to but aWare of that fact. And it is distressing What Were capable of. You hear from people in the film that i had never talked to on camera before, people like Ws/captain-jonathan-White'>Captain Jonathan White Who Warned you hear from people Who participated in it like Ws/scott-lloyd'>Scott Lloyd Who land the office of Ws/refugee-resettlement'>Refugee Resettlement and carried out the separations or Was responsible in part from them and you hear from the heres, errol puts them in front of the like he did With Ws/robert-mcnamara'>Robert Mcnamara or donald rumsfeld, When you say hoW you could participate and What Was it like to experience it in the Way that errol Was able to do it, even i didnt understand sort of the magnitude of What these folks Went through both the people Who perpetrated it and Ws/the-one'>The Ones that tried to stop it. What does it say to you that Were on the precipice of another electiWs/on-and'>On And a candidate still for these things . It frightens me. This is a stomach churning election. At least for me and i think for a lot of other people. These are policies that to me are unacceptable and unforgivable. What bothers me even more before the story is that people have this extraordinary ability to deceive themselves. That is What is most disheartening about humanity, is that if We really Want to do evil, We construe it as the good. And We convince ourselves that something that is despicable is just fine. Go ahead and do it. You could hear the head of the department of Ws/homeland-security'>Homeland Security, the secretary tell us that Were not doing anything unusual. Were just folloWing the laW. FolloWing the laW. And Why didnt they do this during the Ws/obama-administration'>Obama Administration . Obama deported a lots and lots of people. Why didnt they do this during the Ws/obama-administration'>Obama Administration . Because they discussed it and decided it Was immoral. It gets to the character of the person We elect being the most impactful decision We make as a country and as a voter. You ask the question of hoW do We get to this moment, this is still so central in our conversatiWs/on-and'>On And things are so close. I think that the ansWer is that We have not made the departure that Ws/joe-biden'>Joe Biden inspired to in his campaign promising a fair and orderly system. We are still talking about immigrants like data points like something to be scared of. A problem to solve rather than our neighbors. Immigrants as villains. Yeah. It is happening literally right noW. Ive had local reporters Ws/on-and'>On And folks Working to the serve the community of ohio, springfield, ohio, Where j. D. Vance happens to be their senator. What is the hope that the film, What conversation does the Ws/film-hope'>Film Hope to inspire or deepen . One, make these things, i hope you could make, there is no guarantee, of course, but the hope you could make a difference. This is an important election. Were all aWare of the fact. But i like to Weigh in on it and yes, i hope ive done so in some small Way. Its important. Important for hoWWe see ourselves and important for the country. That We never alloW this to happen again. And you Watch springfield, ohio, and you Watch j. D. Vance, it is kind of happening. And that is not so good. Ill give you the last Word. Its a reporter, my interest is to make sure this is a conversation that people cannot afford to avoid. Kristin Welker did it in the last debate of the 2020 election When she askedk i remember you reported on that about the 545 still separated children to both neWs Ws/president-biden'>President Biden and former Ws/president-trump'>President Trump. And today that number according to department of Ws/homeland-security'>Homeland Security is as many as 1300 children Without confirmed reunification. It is gone up since the last debate. And Why Were not still talking about this, i dont knoW. But it is an honor and a privilege to be Working With Ws/errol-morris'>Errol Morris to tell this story and to be here With you to talk about it. With your help, Well keep our eyes on it and do a better job. Congratulations on the film and all of the acclaim it is receiving. Much deserve and thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. The neWWs/documentary-separated-premieres'>Documentary Separated Premieres today in manhattan center. For tickets Well give you a second here. Scan the Ws/qr-code'>Qr Code on your screen. If youre not in Ws/neW-york'>NeW York, catch the broadcast premiere, on Ws/december-7th'>December 7th right here on msnbc. You dont Want to miss it. Another break for us. Well be right back. Us Well be right back. Ch content, and, my favorite touch, its the only site that alWays connects you to the listing agent. Feels like a Work of art marci lovely. What about the app . Ws/luke-uhoh'>Luke Uhoh look What i did. Its ringing. Hello . 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