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at any moment, the president and first lady, as we can see entering the helicopter, will depart to visit an american cemetery a half hour outside of paris they will lay a wreath to honor u.s. troops killed in world war i. notably, and 2018, donald trump canceled the trip to the same cemetery. the white house blamed bad weather at the time. trump's then chief of staff later revealed that trump didn't want to go because he viewed the dead soldiers as quote suckers and losers. joining us as our msnbc political analyst. the former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs. welcome. >> i'm wondering what you think about, obviously the trip to france, the president wrapping it up. i wonder what you think of how this has unfolded from the big speech he gave thursday through his appearance at the state dinner yesterday and then now today. this split screen engagement with the former president in 2018. >> i thought he performed admirably well and did a careful balancing act between honoring american soldiers on the great sacrifice they made in world war ii and world war i and contest saying that with his predecessor as you said in the story did not go to the cemetery because it was raining and he did not want to mess his hair up. he doesn't understand the sacrifice americans make. part of the reason trips like this are so important is because it does remind voters of the sacrifices we have made. world war ii was a colossal event. and what has happened since then, with nato and with the alliances that biden has talked about, we kept peace for almost longer than any time in human history. people need to know the. biden reminded them of that and reminded them of the alliances we have that have kept the peace and kept prosperity. >> to the point of reminding americans and others, i want you to take a listen to what the president had to say on saturday in paris. >> france in the united states have always been there for one another. we stand together when the going gets tough and that is a fact. we stand together to defend the values that light the very soul of both our nations. i believe that to be the case today. liberty, equality, brotherhood, generation after generation, people across both of our nations have recalled these ideals because they know we stand as one and our countries are stronger and literally, the world is safer. >> put that side-by-side from what we heard in the past from the former president, not just how it relates to disrespected service members but this idea of an america first where america can just go it alone and we do not out need always. don't need allies. >> as biden reminded us, france was our first ally. the french intercession during the revolutionary war that allowed us to beat the british and become independent. biden is invoking our history of alliance and why that is so important. and trump come as you say come with the america first movement, which means america alone, doesn't want to have any alliances. i know when you are running for president and running in a national campaign, talking about alliances won't get you many boats. but people have to realize that these alliances are what kept america safe and kept our economy thriving. part of the reason the american economy is doing better relative to the rest of the world is our alliance and the globalized economy we have and the amount of immigration we have relative to other countries. it is good to remind people of that and i know it won't win that many boats. >> i want to continue to press the point. it is such an important part of the conversation that can touch the lives of american people. and i want to address my fellow republicans who are watching and seeing this unfold this week. dan bowles of the washington post noted "in the current politics, biden's nationalism has more in common with reagan and republican party than trump residence america first that points to an american retreat from leadership in the world." that is the stark reality that i think biden in this trip this week spoke to much to me. he was trying to push out there, how do you assess this moment in the context of the politics and the political campaigns ahead to move people to consider as part of the other things they consider an election season. the economy on the border and all these things. this sense of our role in the world and the importance of that alliance that we have with our friends around the globe in the face of the authoritarian rise. this happening both in europe and in the u.s. >> yes, michael. you mentioned ronald reagan's speech 40 years ago at pointe du hoc. i watch that yesterday morning to contrast it with biden's speech. and it is amazing because either man could have given either speech. it was about american commitment, honor, duty, country and the importance of alliances and how american troops had sacrificed for freedom, not only abroad but at home. we have come so far. ronald reagan and joe biden look almost exactly the same when compared to donald trump who is anti- alliances, antidemocracy. we have never had a presidential candidate who was antidemocratic i'm not just about wanting to do away with our alliances like nato but as he said, almost getting rid of the constitution. that is why we are at this terrible moment. and i hope you, in invoking republican to might be watching the show he remember ronald reagan fondly and said, can we have someone like ronald reagan -- well, the closest thing to ronald reagan on the international stage is joe biden. >> as folks are watching and we are having this conversation, we see the president and the first lady about to take off to below france to visit this american cemetery and memorial and i think what is so striking to me is we are at a pivotal moment for the world where one wrong diplomatic move, folks and american troops, our sons and daughters, could be thrust into the perils of war. right now as we speak, there are american troops deployed all over the world. there are folks helping to train ukrainian soldiers. this is not an ex-essential conversation we are having. i'm struck, rick, that the president has put such a focus -- i remember inauguration day, one of the things the president and the vice president added to their schedule was to go to arlington cemetery and lay a wreath there. he said he wanted to honor american troops and the people who have made the ultimate sacrifice for this country. today, the cemetery they are going to visit, well over 2000 people lie there. again, heroes that gave their lives for the freedoms that we so easily enjoy. >> yes, symone. he is the president of the united states but also commander in chief. that is what he is showing there. that graveyard of marines that sacrificed to help win world war i, to your point about the decisions we make now or what keep the peace or get us involved in conflict, it was the decisions after world war i and the treaty of versailles with punitive actions against germany by france and britain which brought on world war ii. we did not make some of those same mistakes after world war ii but we got the cold war. we are seeing now what is happening in ukraine which is the first cross-border invasion at that scale from one major country to another since world war ii. how we handle that is what will keep the peace are not or keep our young men and women at home or in uniform abroad. biden has been resolute about aiding ukraine and being anti- vladimir putin. one of the things i learned in government over the years is that succumbing to the russians is not the way to get peace. standing up as a way to preserve peace. >> thank you so much for your insight. i appreciate your time. next, we are going to mastic. we don't know what to make of a surprising twist in the new york criminal trial? what is going to happen? we are joined by two federal prosecutors to break it down. this is the weekend! clinically proven to help reverse 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politico magazine. both are former federal prosecutors. >> walk me through the timeline here on the gag order. >> both sides are agreeing there should be a briefing here assuming he does not just grant the defense's motion to terminate this which i don't think he will. and prosecutors have an interesting timeline. it is for the defense to respond on june 13th on this thursday and then the prosecutors to respond june 27th which is the day of the presidential debate. it is unclear if the court will agree to that schedule but it is worth noting that the defense argument here is, the trial is over and everyone's interests don't matter anymore. nobody has any concerns. the prosecutors in this brief letter said, hold on a second. we still have to protect the integrity of the proceedings here. there are still threats to jurors. we are seeing great reporting from ryan riley at nbc news about the fact that there are attempts to identify the jurors and to threaten them and that is a real danger. same to the court staff and the families of the prosecutors. the dangers exist and i think they will only increase as we get closer to sentencing at evened after sentencing. i think the judge really should keep the gag order in place through at a minimum, the resolution of these posttrial motions. the one other thing i want to say is that he has also violated the gag order very plainly by speaking about the jury. he said in an interview with greg kelly, the jurors that i knew from their location, i knew i was in deep trouble and they wouldn't even smile at me. that is just a plain violation of a gag order which he knows is still in effect. so 10 violations.'s 11th time the charm? he was told he could go to jail. this should be brought up as sentencing by the prosecutors to argue what he should be incarcerated. >> you had michael cohen yesterday on velsh i kept talking about what has happened to him and his family since then. there is this overwhelming since since. why the hell are we still dealing with this? why is this man still pressing the way he is? this is what michael cohen had to say. let's take a listen. >> there is no opinion. there is no, i'm thinking about it. the documents speak for themselves. it is plain and simple that what he has done, he intends to do again and he is telling you in advance what he intends to do. you are not safe. guys like jeff bezos or elon musk, they think they are safe. no. trump once total power over the united states of america. >> that is the thing that i know from listening to a lot of folks in that world for that is the end game. it is all these other pieces. the judicial system, which you know very well from your work, is caught up in this and seemingly has not still figured out a way to enforce the power it has to shut down this kind of behavior, this kind of rhetoric and yet falls over itself trying to appear fair and balanced, in which it is, not just on the surface, but below. what is it that is going on right now? the judges sitting here going, i have to think about this. whether it is this case or aileen cannon's case in florida which i think is beyond incompetence. there is also politics. a lot of us are going, the man was convicted. why are we doing the dance? >> i think what we were saying, you have identified correctly. this mismatch between the traditional legal process in the political process. because even having a gag order that persists past the verdict is very unusual. kristi has correctly identified things he keeps doing that provide the most potent basis to keep it in place. however, if you ask me, and i'm curious of your thoughts, i'm sure trump is happy to have the gag order in place for as long as possible. because he can go and say, they are muffling me and they won't let me speak and they are trying to restrict my rates. the judge is in a very difficult position. he is not oblivious to this. the way in which the court proceeding has been used and is being used by trump to further his campaign. is a very difficult situation. >> is a difficult? >> is it really that hard? >> it's a real question. >> would you want to be the first judge to send a former president to prison? >> yes. i have been black my entire life. yes. let me tell you that when you break the rules, there are consequences. i think that this idea, it's not -- it is france and israel. it's not an anomaly. people in democracies have figured out in the judicial systems and ways to hold rogue current and former presidents accountable. in america, we seem to think that we are so much better than everywhere else. but we are failing on this. >> we talked about this a while ago. in my view, trump's railing against the proceedings throughout the trial and even now is increasing the odds materially that the prosecutors will want to put him in prison. tomb my eye, the judge said to let this play out to the sentencing and not take the bait on this. let the record develop itself. one july 11th comes around, that is the time to bring all of this stuff up and say, now is the time, if the judge is inclined, for you to get a sentence that reflects not just the conduct but the egregious way that you conducted yourself throughout the trial. >> to me, that goes beyond just being the former president of the united states. you put your finger on the thing that i think is at the core of all of these trials. do i want to be the judge? to be the first judge to do x ex-yes, you do. if it is within the rule of law and the facts of the case and that is the appropriate outcome. to me, you are not above the law. if we say you are above the law, then apply the law. and then your behind goes to jail if you get convicted. >> kristi, what say you? we have been railing against the machine. what do you say, kristi? >> i agree with you. if you objectively look at the factors taken into account and sentencing, prosecutors should be seeking a jail sentence and the judge should impose one. look at the nature and the seriousness of the conduct. he was told at the closing, we heard from the prosecutor that this was about this version of democracy. it is about depriving the voters of information they would need when they go to the ballot box and decide who to vote for. what is more important than that? he was writing those checks from the oval office. aggravating factor. that is aggravating for the country. this former president and current candidate cama we cannot possibly put in jail. he was committing the crime when he was in the presidency. and in terms of deterrence, it is a charge about election interference. look forward to november of 2024. that is exactly what he is looking to do in the future. you have to deter him and you have to deter the other people that will enable him and send a message with a jail sentence. if there any of the number of other reasons, michael cohen went to jail for the same conduct and he was less culpable than donald trump who was directing him to do it. if it is 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fact that it is both about prosecuting what already happened but making sure it doesn't happen again, you have donald trump out there railing against his own prosecution and trying to act as though they are politically motivated. how should americans see this through the lens of national security? >> a couple of things. this is literally a race within the judicial system and within the law enforcement community to see accountability and justice done before bad actors get in power again. number one moving forward, productive analysis, i'm troubled about reporting that says the trump campaign is already hiring and seating within its organization as a priority, people who are prepared to fight and challenge the outcome of the next election. what does that tell me when we were the hiring priority already. it is not so much being prepared that the goal is to win but to do battle over the expected outcome. this tells us we are in for a battle regardless of the outcome. they are going to fight. they will challenge. they will claim it is rigged. we are kidding ourselves if we think we will not see a repeat of the last election. >> the thing for me, is the fact that there is a counter narrative being pushed out here that i think people may be missing. and it goes a little bit like this. there are efforts in place whether it is inside the rnc or within the trump campaign, that are polluting the political system or judicial systems and setting up what i will call an effective taking of the election by republicans. and give you what we see happening with the rnc poll watching efforts. they're talking about referring up -- revving up and monitoring elections and putting in place a 100,000 person forced to fight the fictional foe of widespread voter fraud as this aspirational effort. sometimes we focus on things on the top line but we have to pay attention to what is going on on the ground and how institutions are being infiltrated and monitored. and i put that in quotation marks. how do you assess that aspect from both your work in law enforcement as a prosecutor and covering these campaigns and the narratives politically? >> i think it is worrisome to have this sort of quote, unquote election integrity process being managed under donald trump's campaign with the rnc. there are things they claim to be concerned about but are not practical real-life problems. and i think that in addition to things like poll watching, people looking to not certify results if they don't go the right way. and i think the first line of defense is a political line of defense. it will be up to the biden campaign and the dnc to make sure they are the ones on the front lines in exercising their legal rights to monitor things and go to court and challenge certain processes. in terms of the legitimacy of the outcome, first of all, we have to say it. it may not matter if trump wins out right. if biden wins, i share the concern that there would be a systematic effort to not certify certain precincts and to mount a bunch of challenges that could be very disruptive. >> along those lines and if that is in fact the case, isn't it not just incumbent upon the campaigns but the secretaries of states and the state attorney general's. i am looking at the fake elector scandal wrapping up more indictment totals. 18 people in arizona elected or indicted. georgia, 19 indicted. wisconsin three were indicted on tuesday. this, to me, demonstrates at the state level, folks are being vigilant about what happened before to hold folks accountable. it seems like -- i'm concerned about the resources they have to go against what the trump campaign is telling us they are going to do. >> there is every reason to be concerned looking at these indictments. this scheme was just so brazen. looking at the arizona indictment, mark meadows saying, i know donald trump lost but i want to pull this off for him. it is just egregious. you have one of the law students who, in the wisconsin indictment, talking about taking the fake elector slate and transferring it over to a member of congress saying she felt like she was executing a drug deal. these guys knew what they were doing was wrong. they knew they were depriving voters of their votes and they didn't care. the idea that again, we are just getting charges now for actions that happened so many years ago, it is good that it is happening. i'm happy that we see indictments and five of these battleground states of over 50 defendants but these defendants also need to know that there will be consequences in order to make sure this doesn't happen again. and given that people are just getting charged, i'm not sure they will necessarily be deterred and i think it is a real concern. >> i want you to listen to what harry dunn had to say on the trail for president biden tuesday. >> we will use that opportunity to do everything we can to tell our stories and refused to let people forget, downplay, diminish, whitewash or flat out lie about what happened on january 6th. trump, his deranged self- centered obsessive quest for power, is the reason violent insurrectionist assaulted me and my brave colleagues and killed an officer. >> frank, if people are still lying about what happened on january 6, even though we all saw with our own eyes, how then are we supposed to help people understand the lead up to january 6th? the fake elector scheme and all the efforts that were put systematically in place that led to that day? >> we no longer have a common agreed-upon truth in america and this is one of those that is being challenged as what was january 6? we literally have different sets of truth and facts and so much so that on the floor of the pennsylvania state house, these officers that saved the day january 6th, were getting booted by some gop representatives at the state level in pennsylvania. these people are heroes. metro d.c. police, capital police literally saved our capital and we seem to not only not agree upon that but rejects any notion that there was organized violence or that the candidate actually incited this as the president. moving forward, if we don't have accountability yet, even though over 1000 people have been arrested for their role january 6, then it could happen again and i'm concerned about what i'm seeing in private chat rooms of extremists who talk online which is, we are not going to a heavily guarded hard spot like the capital again but we will go to the soft spots at the state and county level as we get to a contested election. >> thank you so much for being with us. we want to discuss the dangers of speaker mike johnson appointing trump loyalists to a he key house committee. this is the weekend. i love that my daughter still needs me. but sometimes i can't help due to burning and stabbing pain in my hands, so i use nervive. nervive's clinical dose of ala reduces nerve discomfort in as little as 14 days. now i can help again. feel the difference with nervive. the president and the first lady just arrived in france. a half-hour outside of paris. they are going to american cemetery to pay respects to phone american troops in world war i and participate in a wreath laying ceremony who we will keep an eye out for any remarks by the president and bring you those updates. now back stateside. two trump loyalists sit on the house intelligence committee. scott perry and ronnie johnson jackson were appointed by speaker mike johnson last week despite past scandals and run- ins with the fbi not to mention perry is a bona fide election denier who sought to overturn the 2020 election results. their appointments are already raising national security concerns. >> frank, i just think this is ridiculous. representative perry's attempts to overturn the election were well documented. we have live footage of the president and the first lady deplaning in france. we won't play any sound. the image we are seeing from the president, and commemorating reverence and highlighting world war ii troops today and the fight against authoritarianism across the world and at home. with what we have happening in the united states congress, some of the same folks that are thought to not just undermine but unravel key pieces of our democratic institutions and now being placed on the committees where america's secrets are held and discussed. >> this is a stark contrast to what we are seeing now with what we see happening on capitol hill with the intelligence community or committee. and we have a president that understands what it means to have allies that have your back and who you share intelligence with an more importantly, who you share common values with. contrast that with the candidate who is ordering the speaker of the house to put on the key committee come from where i sit, the house intelligence committee, loyalists, not to freedom democracy and allied relations were rather, to him. i'm here to tell you that these two appointees to the intelligence committee, ronny jackson and scott perry, would not qualify for a clearance required to wax the floors at fbi headquarters. they don't even go through a background investigation because they are elected officials. now they have access to the most highly classified intelligence in the intel community. as assistant director and head of counter intel at the fbi, i frequently briefed the house intelligence committee and i did not see republicans or democrats on the committee. i saw americans, who were, when they were exposed to the threat and risk in the form of classified, simply wanted to help fight the threat. that is gone. >> frank, you have a couple things that play that i find very interesting. one being that the speaker of the house appointed these two gentlemen without members of his own caucus knowing that the appointment would be made. certainly members of the intelligence committee, republican members, being made aware that these appointments will be made and two, scott perry's response to the appointment in a tweet he put up. i look forward to providing not only a fresh perspective but conducting oversight, not blind obedience to some facets of the intel community that all too often abuse their powers, resources and authority and spy on the american people. i want to say first congressman that that is a load of crock. the people i know in this space and have worked in the past with, that is not the agenda. frank, you know. you just made the point that you have gone before the committee. what does that say to you that one, the speaker did not even have the appropriate parts to inform his own committee members, republican members, that this appointment would be made and two, to have someone now serving with that attitude that the intelligence community is about spying on the american people and using resources against american interest? >> i continued to bemoan the erosion, the death by 1000 cuts, of our institutions like the cia, fbi and the department of justice and the dni. they are turning the american people against the key institutions that actually protect the american people. if you are secretly fulfilling an agenda of a candidate that is ordering you to appoint a couple of people to the intel committee, it begs the question of why. why would you not put competent qualified people on the intelligence committee? because they have a secret agenda. not so secret as they said. they won't engage in healthy oversight which i welcome but rather, they will erode the authority of those institutions. and by the way, for example, they also weigh and on budget. if you think they can't have an impact, they can tell the fbi, you are not working this particular program. we don't want to hear about reporting on russia. we don't want to hear about foreign connections to domestic terrorism. stop reporting. stop working those items. >> and we often wonder what you are up to when you are not sitting with us on national television. we sort of imagine you are in the basement tracking the dark web or listening to the police scanner but it turns out you have instead been writing an excellent book. tell us what it is about. >> really quick, long-haul, hunting the highly serial killers is the true crime account of the fbi's highway serial killings initiative. even though i prided myself on knowing all the corners of the fbi in my career, i did not know all the details of this program which is 850 murders of women alongside our nation's highways and mostly sex trafficked women over the last few decades. 200 of the 850 cases are considered active and unsolved. the fbi says there are 450 active suspects right now. long-haul truckers that are phenomenal people and are contributing to the economy and the impressive family people are being tainted by the small fraction that are killing women alongside the nation's highways. the challenges that they will grab a victim in one jurisdiction and rape or murderer in a second and dumped the body in the third. i got my investigator had on. i went out on the road and went over 2000 miles in a big rig to get into three subcultures. long-haul trucking, sex trafficking victims and the crime analysts connecting the dots to stop the killing. >> and credible. thank you so much. >> his new book is called "long-haul." it is on shelves now. and a programming note from us. and prosecuting donald trump witness to history. you can catch an encore presentation tonight. it features accounts to witnessed firsthand. that is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc and streaming on peacock. we will be right back! so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. come on. i already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent 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insurance. get your free quote today. during jim crow, more black people voted conservatively. and lyndon johnson and you go down that road and now you know where we are. >> i'm sorry. indeed. your eyes and ears do not betray you, symone. that was republican congressman byron donald's of florida romanticizing the jim crow era last week. his remarks met with swift pushback from democratic leadership. the congressman said his words were taken out of context. we see a debate on the matter with reverend al sharpton. >> i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. but look. you were born in brooklyn and you went to the cell. you want to florida state. you have an interracial marriage. your the congressman of the district that is not a black district. how can you even live with yourself acting like jim crow was a good arrow or better arrow for blacks what would happen to you? >> that is really cute. >> right now you are lying about what i said. i did say jim crow -- . >> four times. >> that is not to say it was better never said the words didn't come out of my mouth. when will you get that through your school and everybody elseschool. >> i would like to know who he was talking to when he thought he could speak to reverend sharpton like that. who did he think he was talking to? >> if we play the tape coming in again, he said during jim crow, black families were together. and they were. >> because they were segregated. that is why they were together. brother, all you had to do was say, i don't know why i brought up jim crow. that is my bad. that is not what i was trying to say at the moment. but here i am and now i have to clear it up. >> that is what he should have done. >> you don't double down on jim crow. you just don't. you can't convince black people or anybody else that we were better off and a segregated society where you are behind would not have even been allowed in congress and certainly would have had questions about who you socialize with. so, look. black folks, i don't care if you are republican or democrat. you have to keep it real about what we went through. what our parents and grandparents went through. i grew up in washington d.c. which was still segregated. my mama couldn't take me to certain parks in d.c. because of jim crow. and yet, i sit where i sit now, despite that. i'm not going to forget that though and i'm not going to try to romanticize it and pretend that somehow my mama and i were better off when she couldn't take me to that park. so just stop it. and especially black republicans. stop this crap. let's be honest about it i mean >> i'm curious symone if you thought the message was for black americans or for white americans. >> exactly. i'm looking to say, who was the message for. i'm sorry to curse on a sunday morning, lord. but i was having a conversation this week about black engagement and black voters and the diversity of sentiment among the african american electorate. especially as we talk about black men but also black women. black people are not a monolith. no group of people of color are a monolith. i believe we need republicans. i believe we need independence. i don't think everybody should be a democrat or progressive in this country. i still say does my father is no longer with us but i said, i think you are republican and you are just telling me that you are an independent voter. my daddy was a 64-year-old black man from mississippi. that being said, yes. there is a diversity of sentiments but i think people need to be honest about history and about what has happened and about what we know to be true and when you conflate history and you don't speak the truth in order to twist yourself up into a pretzel to appear more palatable, because that is what byron donald's was doing. trying to sanna size or romanticize or whitewashed jim crow. so that his message seems more palatable for people who -- not black people but everybody else. and i do not respect people. especially people who know better. we talked about marco rubio and tim scott, the senators, a couple weeks ago, but what they've been saying about the criminal justice system and so on and so forth. as a black elected official, especially a black man as reverend sharpton said from brooklyn, who knows better, he has a responsibility to speak the truth. and as they like to say, -- >> i think that face says it all. >> coming up on velshi, ali will be talking about donald trump's starts of her division and the potential of the dangers of the second trump term. that is coming up. we will be right back! 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