speech on college campuses. all of these things are very much in the zeitgeist if not actually legislative solutions being sought by conservatives of the state level. >> when you understand the story of how roe fell like what was that, legislation to courts to law and american cultural transformation pipeline and you can understand okay, this makes some sense of these other big cultural transformative issues we are seeing play out and this other deluge of loss like you are mentioning. >> it is a blueprint and like i said, it is so comprehensive and the fact that you talked to the right about how they won the war or at least the battle makes it essential reading. "the fall of rome" is right now on bookshelves and kendall. thank you for being here tonight, ladies. that is our show for this evening. now, it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, alex. i just noticed adam schiff is here in his role as a member of that crazy house judiciary committee hearing today, but he is also going to be the next senator from california. he is the democratic nominee for senate in california and he's going to be joining us. andy kim is going to join us right after he won tonight in new jersey, the senate nomination -- democratic nomination for new jersey and jon tester is with us, who also has the democratic nomination running for re-election. >> you could pass a lot tonight. >> something close to a quorum on the show here. >> there's a lot of possibility for your hour of television. i will be watching to see what you guys cook up. have a good show. my first thought this morning was that house republicans were behaving like children once again, but i realized how wrong i was when i saw a c-span video of an actual child in the house of representatives sitting behind his father yesterday while his father spoke to an empty house chamber. >> regardless of one's opinion of the current republican nominee, we would be well served to remember the long and cherished tradition we have in this country is settling our political differences at the ballot box. for nearly 2.5 centuries -- >> the six-year-old was just having some fun after his father told him to smile at the camera for his three-year-old brother who would be watching and guy really is a great big brother because that is probably exactly what his three- year-old little brother wanted to see. that is what i would've wanted to see when i was three years old. it is fair to assume that guy wasn't paying any attention to what his father was actually talking about, but his reactions were perfect for more than half the country, who know just how absurd it is for a republican tennessee congressman john rose to praise the long and cherished tradition we have in this country of settling our political differences at the ballot box. because, on that same house floor on january 6, 2021, john rose voted to overturn the presidential election. john rose said no, this election was not settled at the ballot box. we republicans will settle it right here in the house of representatives. that is what john rose wanted to do and that is what john rose voted to do, and so anyone who knows that about john rose probably would have had a very similar facial expression to what we saw behind john rose when he expressed his reverence for that cherished tradition of settling our differences at the ballot box. turns out, the six-year-old in that video was the only honest person in the video and so no, house republicans do not behave like children because children are more honest than they are. today's republican -controlled house judiciary committee hearing was supposed to be about oversight of the justice department, which has more than 115,000 employees and a budget of 39.7 billion dollars administered by attorney general merrick garland. the attorney general got no questions about that budget, and that so-called oversight hearing, which began the way elementary school classes began, with the pledge of allegiance. the pledge of allegiance is something that no house or senate committee has ever found necessary until republicans won control of the house in this congress, and of course, the pledge of allegiance makes absolutely no sense in a body where everyone takes an oath of office. that oath to protect and defend the constitution of the united states has been repeatedly violated by many of the republican members of the house who so eagerly stood for the pledge of allegiance and the house judiciary committee hearing today. the pledge of allegiance pledges allegiance to the flag, not the constitution. the chairman of the house judiciary committee violated his oath of office on january 6 by voting to overturn the presidential election but jim jordan leads the performance art of pledging allegiance to the flag in the judiciary committee, as he did today. >> we welcome everyone to today's hearing on oversight of the department of justice. the chair recognizes mr. mcclintic to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. >> are pledge of allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. >> no harm in a little flag worship, right? except that they don't mean it. >> i have to say, i am pleased and a bit surprised to see that the flag in this committee is still flying right side up because they want to turn upside down even as they want to turn our justice system upside down. >> there pledge of allegiance to the flag is a lie. their allegiance is to donald trump and they have pledged that allegiance much more convincingly than their allegiance to the flag. they would turn that flag upside down in a second if donald trump ordered him to. none of those republicans have any problem with supreme court justice samuel alito flying that same flag upside down at his home in support of, and sympathy with the people who attacked the capital on january 6. the alito upside down flag, which mirrors the upside down flags carried by the attackers at the capital went upside down on the alito flagpole only after january 6. here is a flag that has never been upside down. that is the flag outside my office window. that is the shot of it today from my phone. that is the way it looked at about 6:00 p.m. tonight. the american flag, put that back up there, the american flag flying outside of fox propaganda headquarters would never be flown upside down, but everyone working inside fox has to now pretend that there is nothing troubling about the alito flag. we had a right to expect the supreme court justices did not have political views that were as extremist as the worst of the fox propagandists. who would've guessed that a supreme court justice was more likely to fly the flag upside down after january 6th when the fox was. the republicans on the house judiciary committee today did not want to talk about a propaganda flag flying supreme court justice, or any federal judge, or anything about the federal judicial system. they just want to pretend that there was something wrong with the most criminal president in history becoming a criminal defendant after his presidency. the first republican questioner of the attorney general today said last year that he wants to abolish the fbi. >> we either get this government back on our side or we defund and get rid of, abolish the fbi, cdc, atf. >> abolish the fbi. that is the republican position. attorney general garland in his opening statement mentioned just some of the things that the abolish the fbi party does not care about. >> just 10 days ago we secured the extradition of one of the elite assassins of the sinaloa cartel, one of the most dangerous drug trafficking organizations in the world. just last month, we secured a 27 year prison sentence for a man who attempted to kill nypd officers in a terrorist attack in times square, 2022. in just the first three months of this year we charged seven members of a hacking group backed by the chinese government. we disrupted a bot net controlled by russian intelligence services, and we seized over $108 million and 500,000 barrels of fuel that would otherwise have enabled the government of iran to further support hamas, hezbollah , and other terrorist groups. we continued our work to drive down violent crime, work that we know is paying off. last year's historic decline in homicides, the largest one year decline in 50 years, is continuing, and the first quarter of this year we have already seen an 18% drop in murders. >> congress can -- congressman matt gates wants to abolish the fbi. he doesn't want the fbi to do any of that work. in fact, there was not a single republican on that committee today who supported any of the work done by the fbi. maybe the people of america are not living in a bubble. maybe we are. >> that was republican barry moore who was feeling his way toward the truth, that the republican members of the committee are indeed living in a bubble, a trumpet bubble. -- a trump bubble. >> there is lying and then there is republican line. >> i care deeply about the law. >> no republican on that committee has a more perverse relationship with the law then congressman matt gates. congressman gates echoed the republican demand that the attorney general garland release the audio recording of interviews with president biden about classified material found in his presidential papers which president biden immediately reported as soon as they were found. the special prosecutor found there was no criminal conduct or intent on joe biden's part and praised president biden's cooperation with that investigation. >> i just want to get this straight. mr. gaetz wants the attorney general to reopen and publicize evidence from an investigation that a donald trump-appointed prosecutor closed against president biden while at the same time mr. gaetz himself is being protected by the same doj policy refusing to voluntarily turn over evidence for mr. gaetz' trafficking allegation. >> he asked the inspector general about the most deadly criminal threat facing americans. >> i wonder if you might just opine a bit, or expound a bit on your work as it relates to gun violence. >> might [ inaudible ] has been helpful to combat gun violence leading to substantial numbers for having a sale of guns to minors. it has given us the authority to bring cases for purchasing that has led to crime guns and gun trafficking to criminals, and in those ways, it has helped drive down the numbers with respect to gun violence. we have set up a crime gun intelligence center so that our state and local counterparts can trace guns found at crime scenes to determine whether they were used by serial killers, by serial shooters to help us find out -- run the dna off of the casing so that we can find hits on those people and arrest them and prevent them from committing further crimes. there is a host of things the department has done, but the principle kind of violence we are worried about in the country is gun violence. that is what causes the enormous number of deaths we face every year. >> and republicans want to abolish the fbi. leading off our discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division of the eastern district of new york and co- author of the new york times best-selling book, "the trump indictments." this professor at georgetown law and host of the podcast courtside with neil, both msnbc legal analysts. i want to start with you, and are, because of your experience in the justice department and the fbi. to take this oversight hearing seriously today, the imaginary world in which this could be a serious hearing, there are so many serious issues of oversight that should be of concern to the house of representatives today at this point where the department is, but what is your reaction to the republican approach we saw to this hearing including members who actually have set out loud repeatedly, they want to abolish the fbi. >> i want to try and differentiate republicans now versus what i would say is democratic and republican traditional support for law enforcement and the fbi, specifically. prior to trump, the fbi was viewed as a political, and it is and was a political to its core. its sole mission is to protect the american public, and whether it is street crime, bank robbers, cybercrime, terrorism, murders, civil rights i mean, just a huge, wide array of crimes that need to be detected and prosecuted, and that is its bread-and- butter and they are 30,000 people who are dedicated employees and looking at them through a politicized lens is just so wrong and i want to say that is true for when you are dealing with democrats and republicans who supported the era. the question i got when i was general counsel, when i was dealing with politicals because the bureau only had one, which was the fbi director, the rest, no one is a political appointee. the question i would get is what do you operationally need? you did not have to worry about the politics of it, you just focused on your mission. i'm not going to say that during political season the so-called silly season, people didn't try to take pot shots and make those kinds of arguments but there was just, especially under robert mueller, who was there for 12 years but even before him under louis frieden other people, it is a fundamentally a political institution. it is not that it doesn't make mistakes like every institution, but it is filled with people with good intent who are public servants. i think merrick garland did a really terrific job in highlighting the work of the fbi and the department of justice at the hearing today. >> neil, with your experience in the justice department, what would you want to ask, what would you want to try to eliminate in an oversight hearing like this today, on this calendar day for we are in our history involving the justice department and the attorney general's job and with the attorney general's responsible? >> i will tell you why wouldn't start. i would not start with the committee's claim that the justice department is weaponized. i know republicans love their guns, but the word, weaponization, does not even belong in the same sentence as department of justice under merrick garland. if we want to talk about weaponization of the justice department, the only attorney general the house needs to look at is bill barr and to me, the most important point here is how in the world can these people be saying that the justice department is politicized when literally today right now it is prosecuting the only living son of president biden, hunter biden , you know, so if i were to ask a question it would be about merrick garland. in a way, he represents the cautious best of our judicial system. before he was there he was chief justice of our nation's second highest court for 20 years, never overturned by the supreme court, no one is careful and meticulous. the question i would have is maybe have you been to careful? you know, you obviously want to avoid the legacy that bar and others try to impose on the justice department to go back to the traditions that andrew talks about, traditions that everyone i know that served in the justice department takes so seriously that independence and the avoidance of any appearance of impropriety, the question i have his house that failed? you assume good faith under congress and look at what these people have done. he grew up and i grew up in a system where people like orrin hatch for the judiciary committee chairs. they were republicans who, you know, understood institutions and who are cautious in their criticism and not kind of all over the place, baseless attacks which garland pointed out today could lead someone to get hurt. i mean, trump is now saying all this nonsense about mar-a-lago and the raid and how his life was threatened. it's the same exact protocol that was used for the president biden search, as well, so a lot of meandering and uselessness but also some dangerous stuff that came from congress today. >> to neil's point, could not be a worse week for the republicans to try to make the ridiculous claim that the justice department is being used politically. democratic senator robert menendez in the middle of his federal trial of charges brought against him by merrick garland's justice department, you have hunter biden on trial. you have a democratic member of the house in texas indicted, federal indictments all, and republicans had -- this is a rare hearing where republicans had almost nothing to say about hunter biden. they rarely mentioned him. >> absolutely. this is one where the contrast between donald trump and the way he wielded his power over the department of justice, whether you are talking about the roger stone case, his crony or the michael flynn case, where he sought to have the department dismiss that case was met with much resistance by the federal judge, a real abuse then of the pardon power to pardon his political cronies. at the same time you have an example of the current president, president biden, who is not pardoning, as neil said, his own and only living son, and he could any day of the week order his department of justice, he has the power to order the department of justice to say get rid of the case, and he has not done that because he believes in the rule of law. i think everyone should just step back for a moment and think about that. his own son, it is his last living son. he has the power because of the unitary executive, to take a step to say that he should not be held responsible, and he is leading the legal system step go forward because that is what it means to be in a country committed to the rule of law. he is living that principle even when it means his own son. you only have to look at that at the moment of the sort of clown show that we saw today in congress. >> thank you both very much for starting off our discussions tonight. coming up, congressman adam schiff was in the room today at the house judiciary committee hearing. he will join us next. hearing. he will join us next. >> it on medicare? have diabetes? when enjoying life's special moments are you left guessing which foods are right for you? with the freestyle libre 3 system you'll know your glucose and where it's headed no fingersticks needed. freestyle libre 3 manage your diabetes with more confidence and lower your a1c. so you can focus on those special moments. covered by medicare for more people managing diabetes with insulin. talk to your provider or visit freestylelibre.us/medicare nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec 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unprecedented? the fact that so many leaders of that party are perfectly fine with all of that. >> joining art discussion now is democratic congressman alan schiff's from california. he's candidate for united states senate in california and former chair of the house intelligent committee and was impeachment manager for the first trial of donald trump in the senate. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i know you only get five minutes to speak in the committee and as i was listening to you today i just thought well, tonight we can offer you more. did you leave anything unsaid in your five minutes this morning? >> well, i was mostly focused on this conspiracy theory that somehow the president through the justice department was pulling the strings in the manhattan d.a.s office. if i had more time i would've gone into the other conspiracy theory. in many ways, equally, if not more sinister about the search of mar-a-lago, the suggestion that basically the fbi went in there with the hope or expectation of drawing guns on the president. that is so dangerous, wrong, and i would've used a little more time to develop that but my take away as i watch the spectacle on the gop side is in the beginning of the trump years, there were a few people in congress and the gop who stood up to him in some way, shape, or form. they're all going or gone and all we are left with are the stooges and sycophants and that is always sought on the committee today, people for whom there is no bottom. there is no level below which they will not sink to defend donald trump which just underscores again why we cannot allow that convicted felon into the over -- oval office because there will be no restraint on him by any of his own party and that kind of racketeering administration or in congress. >> yeah, i was thinking today, i listened to every single bit of the testimony and there was not a single truthful republican on that committee, and that was something that you just cannot say about any committee in the house or the senate before the trump era. you could not say about either party before the trump era. it just wasn't the way it was, and is it your sense that when we are past the trump era, which could be as early as next year, that some possibility of normalcy could return, or are these people too far gone? >> no. i'm actually quite optimistic about the future. i think when donald trump leaves the stage for good, and i hope and pray it is in november, i think the republican party decides to move on, that they've lost with him over and over again and if not for the sake of our country, then for the sake of their own party they need to move on. there will be others to try to be trump imitators for some time, but i don't think they will have his gift at grist. he is a uniquely talented arsonist. we saw ron desantis try in the presidential campaign and fall flat on his face. there will be others still who try but i think the temperature comes way down, and i think it 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montana tonight, and the expected winner of the republican nomination for senate in montana is one of the richest people in montana. jon tester's republican opponent is ken sheehy who grew up in the neighboring state of minnesota in a multimillion dollar lake house, and has enough wealth to live and work part-time in montana. he has never run for office before the senate campaign. the montana senate race is one of several closely watched senate races this year that could give republicans control of the united states senate next year. yesterday tim sheehy began running campaign ads trying to tie senator jon tester to something that happened over 2000 miles away from montana last week, the 34th felony convictions earned by donald trump in a manhattan courtroom. today, jon tester's campaign responded with an ad about montana, not manhattan. >> montana veterans know. >> jon tester stands up for us. >> holding the va accountable to get the care and benefits we have earned. >> john delivered new veterans clinics across montana >> and expanded mental health, past the p.a.c.t. act so veterans with toxic exposure >> finally get the care we need. >> i'm jon tester and i approve this message. >> veterans across montana stanford john. >> joining us now is montana's senior senator jon tester. nbc news is projecting he has won montana's democratic primary to seek re-election to the united states senate. congratulations on your victory. i'm not surprised that you held onto that nomination but now you know you are up against some pretty heavy money on the other side, someone who can just reach into his own pocket when he needs money for this campaign. >> look, lawrence, you know this and many of your viewers don't. i'm a third-generation montana. my wife charlotte and i farm the land my grand folks ran and we took over in 1978. i've lived within 100 miles of where i was born my entire life until i got this job, and i will tell you that this campaign is not about anything other than montana values. folks are trying to change montana. they're trying to buy montana and change it into a playground for the rich. montana is the greatest state in the greatest country that has ever existed because in montana, a handshake mean something. your word is your bond. we have two ears and one mouth and react accordingly. we get the facts and we make decisions off of those and so you're right. there's going to be a lot of money put into this race trying to make me something i'm not because i know they can't meet the john tester who is the third-generation farmer from sandy, montana. we will push back and tell the truth and talk about my record of accomplishment during my tenure and we will talk about my vision for this country moving forward, whether it is making sure we live up to the promise of veterans were making sure we are doing everything we can do to get everybody connected to broadband across this country including rural and frontier areas. the game plan is been the same for every election i've been in. they try to make me into something i'm not so they can run against that person. the bottom line is i listen to montanans. i take the good ideas back to washington, d.c. and i get them put into law. that is why i have been told over and over again that i am one of the most effective senators in the united states senate and one of the most bipartisan senators in the united states senate so i look forward to this campaign. i know there will be a lot of money out there. this race is going to cost hundreds of millions of dollars which is insane in its own right but into end, this is a race against jon tester, a third-generation farmer and the guy that just moved to montana and quite frankly, i've got a lot of equipment that i've owned longer than he's been in the state of montana and to be able to have those montana values and know what montana needs and what makes montana tick is going to be critically important moving forward for the greatest state in the greatest country that's ever existed. >> as you have been speaking, nbc news has moved tim sheehy into the projected winner category. he has the checkmarked now, 75% of the vote as of right now. in reading about the race, i have read that some people say you are coming to the end of your third term. that's 18 years in the senate, and i have read from some montana voters who say they voted for you in the past, that they think you have drifted away into the washington world, and you are not to the guy they voted for in the past. what do you say to those orders? >> i say the forefathers had it right. they believed in the citizen legislature and that's why i have continued to farm while i have this job. i've actually had two jobs. one of them is trying to feed the world through production agriculture and the other is crafting good policy that helps montana remain in the position it is, which is the last best place and that is all i can tell folks is that i go home every weekend. i meet with montana's, i drive a tractor combine depending on what season of the year it is and if the work doesn't get done on the farm that means i didn't do it and so consequently, it is really hard to turn into a washingtonian when in fact, i am writing the checks for the diesel we are buying. i'm writing the checks for the equipment we are buying and quite honestly making decisions on when we plant and when we harvest. >> senator, i don't know a washingtonian who thinks you're a washingtonian, that's for sure. you won't be able to find one of them saying that. like like i said, they're going to try to make me into something i'm not so they can run against that person. they don't want to run against jon tester, the third- generation montana farmer who has a great record of accomplishment in the united states senate. >> what is your agenda for your next term in the senate? what do you want to go back there to do? >> well, look, we've done a lot of good things for veterans as i pointed out and we've done some amazing work with clinics and making sure toxic-exposed veterans now are getting the benefits in the healthcare they've earned. that doesn't mean we are done with the va. we still have a lot of things to do in the va to make sure we have enough mental health care professionals, enough doctors in rural areas in this country, to make sure we are helping americans. montana has the second highest per capita of veterans in the country. we have people who like to serve and are honored by their service. we need to make sure we have their back. with that forward then we have some important things to do in conservation and i'm not just talking about one thing, wilderness or recreation. i'm talking about all of the above. making sure we are harvesting trees, putting land aside for our kids for future generations and making sure we keep public lands in public hands because that is one of the things that helps drive our economy and our great state. >> montana senator john 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>> thank you for having me. we are excited today. the top thing on people's minds is about their own challenges, whether that is the high cost of living, housing, healthcare, hunger and other issues, but one thing we are trying to hit home is why is it we do not have a government or congress that is able to fix that? that is where we see so many of the broken problems that are out there. we live in a time of the greatest distrust in the government in american history so people are connecting the dots that the government is not functioning the way it needs to so that is what we are talking about in jersey. >> we also have a republican nominee tonight, curtis took the nomination, he was not the trump endorsed candidate, the trump endorsed candidate came in second, what does that tell us about the dynamics of the race going forward? >> he is someone that has stepped up and endorsed trump though. i am sure he voted for trump tonight. it is like ted cruz, someone that accepts abuse from trump but then still votes for him. it shows a lack of character. this is a situation where i am stepping up running against a indicted sitting senator as well as someone's first action in congress is to endorse a convicted felon. >> are you concerned that menendez could take votes away from the democratic nominee in the selection? >> this being my fourth race as a democrat that took the district twice, in 2020 i was one of seven in the country, outperforming biden by eight points that year. i do not take anything for granted. this is a difficult political climate. i will do everything i can to mobilize and i hope people are supportive of my efforts to help keep the majority and if the website to help us. go to >> what is at stake for the people of jersey in keeping th >> it is something people think about a lot here, this is what is standing between us and preventing republicans from pushing a national abortion ban. i am dealing with the most extreme and radical speaker of the house in american history so i know exactly what it would look like. i served the first two years under mitch mcconnell so we know what that plan looks like so that is why we need to step up against it. i voted to impeach trump twice, we also need to make sure we are controlling the senate and making sure we have the ability to vote on and control who is going into the supreme court at a time when people are worried about what comes next when it comes to reproductive rights, lgbtq rights, immigration and other issues. people in jersey recognize what is at stake and that is why they mobilized today to come out for this primary. >> andy kim from jersey campaigning to become senator kim, thank you for joining us on this night when you took the nomination. tonight's last word is next. next. 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