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Good day, im Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. President biden is kicking his campaign into high gear as he and his team launch a Massive Travel Blitz with headlines calling him fiery, forceful, and the cash pouring in to amp up staffing in battleground states. We are live on the ground with a look at how that message will move from a Speech On Capitol Hill out into america and directly to voters. Plus, a big legal move and a new indication Donald Trumps e. Jean carroll case is far from over. The former president posting a 91. 63 million bond today as he files official notice to appeal his Defamation Verdict. What it means for the case and trumps fortune. And the u. S. Militarys Osprey Aircraft are now cleared for takeoff. The Navy Deeming The Fleet safe to fly after a series of fatal crashes. What allowed the return to the skies and what it means for the military. So much to get to on this friday, but we begin with a campaign of contrast. Joe biden and donald trump about as diametrically different as two candidates can be, politically, thematically, financially, and were watching those stark differences play out in realtime. The president and first lady leaving later this hour for what the Campaign Sees as a kind of victory tour now after the reviews for the State Of The Union. First up, philadelphia, while the Vice President heads to arizona. Tomorrow, the president will be in georgia and New Hampshire, wisconsin, and michigan next week, and then through the rest of the month, members of his administration will make 26 stops in 21 states. Thats a lot of coverage in local papers and on local newscasts. Trump by comparison is at maralago today where he spent last night on social media, although his truth social site had technical problems. Then later today hes meeting with hungarian authoritarian leader viktor orban affirming what biden laid out last night, voters have a real choice between trump whose name you didnt say, but referencing my predecessor 13 times. My predecessor, a former republican president tells putin, quote, do whatever the hell you want. Thats a quote. The former president actually said that bowing down to a russian leader. I think its outrageous of. My predecessor failed the most basic president ial duty that he owes to the american people, the duty to care. I think thats unforgivable. My predecessor told the nra hes proud he did nothing on guns when he was president. Unlike my predecessor, i know who we are as americans. And while biden was making that speech, the money was pouring in to his campaign, which says it broke hourly fundraising records during and after the address. Nbcs monica alba is reporting from pennsylvania, also with us tyler pager, White House Reporter for the Washington Post and former republican Ohio Governor john kasich, an msnbc political analyst. Hey, monica. So weve got a couple of measures to support the Biden Campaigns positive read on the speech last night. There were generally a lot of great reviews for the speech and that fundraising haul during and after it, but the third is and arguably the most important what did the average voter think. Any insights into that . Absolutely, chris. I have been talking with voters here in the philly suburbs for the last couple of hours, and in terms of the people who did tune in to the speech, people who did support joe biden, they told me they were sort of watching with bated breath to see if he was going to come out and be as fiery and as feisty as he was, and in terms of what they saw, they loved it. They told me that essentially this is the joe biden they havent seen enough of sometimes, that they would like to see more of these kinds of flashes of passion and really pointing out the contrast with donald trump u in an obvious and in an intense way. Heres a sampling of what some voters here told me this morning. I just thought he nailed it. I saw energy, and i loved his ad libbing. I just thought he punched back like he should have. He was powerful. He got his point across, and hes doing a good job. I really like what hes doing, and i think joe biden will be our next president. He stood strong. He looked like a president , and thats what we needed. Reporter now, chris, we are here near several universities in swathmore, pennsylvania, and i have to tell you i talked to some young people as well, and everyone that i asked about a dozen or so young collegeaged students whether they watched the speech, half of them said to me the State Of The Union was last night . I didnt even know that, and the other half said, no, i didnt watch. That may signal another issue here in terms of who this speech will actually reach and work that the Biden Campaign is certainly to continue to shore up, but with the people who did watch, who do support the president , the age issue and the Vitality Issue is one that repeatedly came up in my conversations in terms of something where concerns and anxieties were really eased by how the president came out last night and the tone with which he delivered that Speech Skpshs and its something all of them told me they want to see more of from the president in the coming days in some of those very key swing states. Tyler, speaking of kind of the tone, you wrote about those repeated exchanges that biden had with republicans, one particular line you point out was when he said you cant love your country only when you win. Did last night as monica suggested solidify what a lot of democrats have been asking for, which is that an energetic, sometimes maybe snarky and definitely aggressive im going directly after trump joe biden is what were going to see in the days and weeks to come . Yeah, absolutely. In conversations that hi with senior white house officials in the lead up to the speech, they made it very clear that they saw this speech as the starting gun for the general election campaign. Now that its become clear, it will be biden versus trump, even though they say most americans have not fully wrapped their head around this historic rematch, they feel that this speech was the opportunity the president needed to really set the stakes and create the contrast between him and trump. But at the same time, as monica was saying, the age issue is one that has persisted in poll after poll. Voters are concerned about the fact that the president is 81 years old. He would be 86 at the end of a second term, and so they feel that this was an opportunity as well for him to push back against those concerns. I think democrats across the board were very excited about the president S Performance last night. He was seemingly baiting the republicans to interject, wanting to create that incident from last year where they sparred with each other over social spending programs and so i think we saw him try to do that on issues like immigration, abortion, foreign policy, and i think democrats felt that he did it quite successfully and showed not only a command of the issues but also the energy and the fire that they were looking for as he sets to, you know, compete head to head with donald trump before november. So not everyone, governor, believes that joe bidens speech was a runaway success. I want to read a little bit of what the wall street Journal Editorial Board had to say. They said there was nothing here for nikki haley voters or republicans who dont want a second trump term or might consider voting for mr. Biden. Every bit as much as donald trump, the joe biden in the well of the house on thursday promised four more years of dispiriting rancor. Do you think the president missed an opportunity by at least deciding to engage in some of the republicans, or do you think today more so the Republican Party is scrambling a little bit, that he really did have a good night . Im aware of the editorial, but im also aware of the piece written by peggy newnan whos influential at the wall street journal, and she said this dogs got a lot of fight left in him, and it was a really good article, complimentary of biden lets just say peggy noonan knows something about a good speech. Whatever you think about her politics, she knows about a speech. She used to write them for Ronald Reagan, so you cant do any better than that. So i would say, chris, that the only thing i think that he kind of missed was when he talked about how great the economy is. And as ive said to you a number of times, he needs to actually acknowledge the fact that people are still struggling. You just cant paint a narrative and say this is all great when people dont agree with that. And thats the only thing he missed. However, his greatest challenge yesterday was to show people that he still has the energy. I mean, a lot of people that i know will say, well, you know, he cant put two sentences together. He cant walk off the stage. Well, last night he showed that he can do all of those things. If he can keep it up, thats going to really change some minds. But i think overall, its being recognized a very Strong Performance and a very big plus in his column. You know, if he can keep it up, thats an interesting thing you can say because one of the things ive been thinking about is how different this is than i, say, the 2020 campaign, right . When both of these guys were mostly home because of covid. They are both aging, and how much of a campaign can they keep up including this question thats hanging out there, governor, which is whether or not theyre going to debate. Now Peter Alexander had a chance to do a one on one just a short time ago with kamala harris. The whole thing is going to run on nightly news, but i want to play one exchange for you and well talk about it on The Other Side. Mr. Trump has challenged the president to debate him anytime, anywhere, anyplace. Will President Biden commit to debating donald trump . I havent talked to the president yet about that, but ill tell you something, if you want to just look at the split screen to understand whats at stake. On the one hand youve got joe biden, someone who is competent, who is principled, who has accomplished more than many president s hoped for, be it on infrastructure, on climate on health care. On The Other Side of that split screen, youve got the former president who glorifies dictators and says hell be a dictator on day one. Someone who has said he will weaponize the Department Of Justice against his political enemies. The split screen is clear. Should President Biden debate him in your view . Thats a choice that is going to be decided upon soon, and well keep you posted. Will you commit to do a debate . Peter, we just got through with the State Of The Union, and i am just so excited about what we accomplished last night and our president. Governor, whats your expectation about a debate as someone who has been on a president ial debate stage, but also the pros and cons of doing it . I dont think youre going to see a debate. And first of all, you know, when you think about it, Donald Trumps not really in a position to say you need a debate because he didnt debate in any of these debates so far. So you cant pick and choose. You got to have some consistency. I dont anticipate, chris, that there will be a debate between these two guys. I think its going to be, look, you saw the commercial yesterday that started making fun of joe biden, then he had the speech last night. Hes now going to put that on the air. I think its going to be a battle of the air waves, but i also think that its going to be important for joe biden to be out there. I dont think that he can just, you know, Have A Great Night Last night, do a couple of things and then fade away. I think he needs to be out there, and he needs to acknowledge the challenges that still lie ahead. He did very well on the border. He did exactly what i thought he should do and ive said on this channel is that he said, look, we have the strongest bill since Ronald Reagan and its you, republicans, who wanted to fix this who now will not do it. I think it made republicans uneasy. Something that happened in the last half hour or so is that New Hampshire republican governor chris sununu now says hes going to support donald trump, thats despite spending months criticizing him. I want to look back at some of those remarks. And then when its one on one, trumps in trouble, and he knows that. And so depending on who that one is and its still very much remains to be seen, thats where the republicans have the opportunity to talk about healing america, not just relitigating Donald Trumps drama. Republicans are trying to save the country. Donald trump is trying to save himself. So not flattering. Having said that, he is not the first one or even the first one this week i know. Who has criticized donald trump who has now said i am going to support him. Give us The Big Picture as you see it of this governor. I think what theyre trying to do is to preserve their political futures, actually. Its kind of shocking to me, but look, people want to what theyre trying to be is a good old republican. That at the end ill throw in and support him. The price was too high for me to do that. I just disagreed so strongly with what i saw in the early days of the divisive rhetoric that he brought about. And sununu was right there, but i think sununus trying to preserve an option for him politically. If you dont support the nominee, theyll always come back and attack you. You may not win in a primary, but the question everyone has to ask, is it worth the price . I mean, is it really worth the price to have to support him when youve been attacking him for so long, and so now all of sudden its okay . Everybodys got to decide, but for me it was a bridge too far, and i knew it was a problem when i didnt endorse him. I knew it would hurt me in the Republican Party. Thats the price you pay. Lifes short. Politics is quick. Make a mark. And there you are at my alma mater and on television with me. So you know, maybe it didnt work out so terribly. It worked out just great. Thanks, chris. Governor john kasich as i pat myself on the back. Monica alba, thank you all so much. God bless. And tomorrow, Jonathan Capehart sits down with president joe biden. Hes got an exclusive interview following his State Of The Union address. Theyre talking about the upcoming election, the president s agenda for a second term, watch the saturday show. Thats tomorrow, 6 00 p. M. Eastern here on msnbc. In 60 seconds, former President Trump posts a massive 91. 63 million bond in the e. Jean carroll case. The details after this. An carro. The details after this donald trump has put up the money to appeal the e. Jean carroll Defamation Verdict posting 91. 63 million bond so that he can move forward with trying to get the judgment thrown out. That bond also prevents carrolls attorneys from trying to seize trumps assets during the appeal. Now, its important to note that the terms of the bond are not clear right now, so we dont know how much money or what Collateral Trump actually put down. I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard from houston where the rnc met earlier today. Kristy greenberg is former deputy chief of the sdny criminal division. Lisa rubin is an msnbc legal correspondent, and she is with me on set. So somehow enough money was brought together for a bond. What does that mean, and are we going to find out where that money came from. Not necessarily, lets start with what it means. It means that at the end of the appeals process if e. Jean carroll prevails, we know that she will get her money because the security for it has been posted, that 91 million plus has been set aside and essentially placed in an escrow account, alina habba trumps lawyer has asked judge lou kaplan for approval of this amount. He today earlier ordered that her lawyers, meaning carrolls lawyers could oppose that if they want. Ive never seen that before. Ive never seen someone oppose a bond. I think they will be very glad that donald trump has obtained the amount necessary to cover their verdict because, in her case, she doesnt care where it comes from. Its folks like us who care what the sources and terms of that bond were, chris. Wasnt the verdict for 83 million, so why is it he putting up 91. 6 . Is that interest . In federal courts in new york, typically 111 of the Judgment Amount is required, and i want to be clear about one thing. Donald trump didnt have to post a bond in order to appeal. He had to post a bond in order to obtain a stay of any Enforcement Efforts by carrolls lawyers. Appealing is free. Whats not free is getting that pause button pressed in order to prevent someone from collecting the judgment from you. So now that we know that theres going to be an appeal here, kristy, can trump drag this out indefinitely, and in the meantime carroll gets no money . What happens . So theres no indication that this will be expedited. When i have dealt with appeals in the second circuit, which is where this appeal has been filed today, these take many months, if not at least a year or so to work through the system. There is briefing schedules, theres oral argument, and then it takes time for the court to have their decision, so again, that pause button is in place during the while this whole appeal is pending. So she cannot collect on this judgment during that whole process. So kristy, we know trump was able to put up that 5 million cash to appeal the first e. Jean carroll judgment this time, obviously he had to get a bond, and then he still got this half billion dollars judgment coming up in a few weeks so does he have to come up with half A Billion Dollars there if hes going to appeal the judgment, and if so, do we have any idea yet how he could cover that amount. What can you tell us about that . Donald trump has said in his papers in that case that it is impossible for him to come up with the bond here. But, you know, again, weve seen him now do it in this e. Jean carroll case, grant it for a much lower amount. Really the question is whether or not there is a bond company that is going to feel comfortable that he can put up a sufficient fee and collateral to make them satisfied that he would actually pay up. It is a significant amount of money, and given that in that case donald trump has been adjudicated to have committed financial fraud, you would expect them not just to want, you know, his word that he has the collateral, but that he has the cash that he has the property unencumbered meaning they would get their first access to it. Theres no liens, theres no mortgages on it, and they have sufficient Paper Documentation to feel comfortable in what hes saying to them. Question whether or not hell be able to do that, march 25th is the date he would have to post that bond. Its worth reminding people here, lisa, when youre talking about collateral, all these buildings that have Donald Trumps name on it, he doesnt necessarily own. It may just be marketing. Or there are buildings that he partially owns but there would have to be some kind of deal, right, with the other owner or owners if it was going to be collateral . Right, well, i would say donald trump owns buildings the way Many Americans own real estate, subject to mortgages and in some cases, multiple mortgages. The difference is those mortgages in trumps case are worth tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars, and as kristy just noted, in order to get a bond and in order to pledge collateral to a bond company, they dont want a property that already has somebody who would take it first before them in order. So donald trump is going to have to pledge collateral that doesnt have Somebody Waiting In Line first in order to secure that bond. Chris, heres the conundrum for him. He may also have Lending Agreements that say if he has a final judgment and is unable to obtain a stay pending appeal, that itself might be an event of default under his Lending Agreements. Your viewers are probably saying, well, whats an event of default . It allows a lender to say you owe me all the principal and the interest right now. So its kind of a catch 22 for donald trump as we say. All right, so vaughn, all this is happening as the rnc voted in new leadership today, Michael Watt Lee is the new chairman. Lara trump cochair. At one point there was talk trump might try and use the rnc to pay some of his legal bills. Where does that stand . Reporter right, the political is happening here all at the same time and through the lens of the financial for understandable reasons. As for the rnc, using any of its funds to go towards legal related expenses, folks will recall there was a Draft Resolution that was attempted to be brought forward by an rnc committee man. They failed to garner the support and at the rnc Spring Meeting here in houston that just wrapped up minutes ago, that resolution was never voted on. At the same time, one of Trumps Campaign comanagers, he is also now taking formally the role of Chief Operating Officer for the rnc and he was explicit in telling me that no, no funds from the rnc over the next eight months will go towards trumprelated legal bills. This is the same meeting in which lara trump was installed as the rncs cochair, the number two spot and Michael What The was installed as the rnc chair. Theres eight months ahead here. These are trump ally, and an rnc body loyal to donald trump. I am told no funds will be going to help with those legalrelated expenses. And on the political front, chris, this is the official moment when the rnc and the Trump Campaign are now merging into one operation. This was a moment that the Trump Campaign has been waiting for and now theyll be able to execute on, chris. Vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin, kristy greenberg, thank you so much. 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Families of the american hostages who attended last nights State Of The Union tell nbc news the Biden Administration did give them some hope that those negotiations arent totally dead, but there is no sign of an imminent deal to pause the violence. Nbcs Richard Engel is reporting from jerusalem for us. So i know european Officials Say the first ship with aid could set out from cypress as soon as today. What do we know about how this might work and the potential impact, richard. More likely on sunday, and this would be really a trial run with a small shift, more like a barge, the kind of thing that you can just push right up against the shore in gaza without needing a pier, a floating pier or any kind of dock because the dock isnt built yet. The u. S. Has promised to build this. Thats what President Biden announced last night. 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Today in court, were learning new details about exactly what happened when James Crumbley took his son to buy the gun that the teenager later used to kill four students at Oxford High School in 2021. Mr. Crumbley asked to see the six hour, said he had his eye on that for quite some time. Well, that comes after a twist in the case. The judge restricting James Crumbleys communications after Authorities Say he made threats from inside the jail. Nbcs maggie vespa is outside the courthouse in pontiac, michigan, for us. Twopart question. First, whats happening in court today, but what more do we know about these threats as well . Reporter well start with those threats. That surprised a lot of people overnight. At the very end of the day after the jury had been excused was the judge and prosecutors as well as James Crumbleys attorneys having an exkrang where prosecutors asked the judge to restrict his communication but didnt want to say why in front of media so the reason was opaque at the time. We reached out to the Sheriffs Office later that night who clarified the reason the judge granted that order, the reason there was a request to restrict his communication is because the Sheriffs Office says James Crumbley had made threats to someone over the phone and through electronic messages. They didnt say who the threats were against or when this happened, but effectively James Crumbley for the rest of this trial can only communicate with his lawyer and with what they call legitimate clergy. So he is essentially cut off from the outside world for the rest of this trial. In the meantime, what were seeing in the courtroom today is several times now for the first time today, his attorney really pushing back at a lot of the prosecutions case. Were seeing cross examination for the first time, most recently cross examining a witness who was the manager of the gun store where James Crumbley, she testified, bought the gun that his son days later would use in the Oxford High School massacre back in 2021. One key moment, his attorney honing in on a cable lock that prosecutors have said crumbley failed to use to secure the gun and that allowed ethan to get ahold of it and carry out that massacre. Here is part of that exchange of crumbleys attorney cross examining that gun store employee. Take a listen. Theres nothing on there thats an acknowledgment that the purchaser is going to use the cable lock, correct . Correct. Theres nothing directing that the purchaser has to use the cable lock, is that correct . Correct. Whose responsibility is it to actually make the gun safe . The buyer. Reporter and again, this is key because you remember from Jennifer Crumbleys trial just one month ago, she actually testified in her own defense saying it was more her in her words, her husbands thing to keep the guns in their house, including the one they had bought for ethan secure and that she essentially implied that he failed to do so and thats part of what led up to the shootings. Thats been kind of a key point thats being argued in this case. James crumbley facing the exact same charges his wife was found guilty of, four counts of involuntary manslaughter, one for every student his son ethan killed at Oxford High School in 2021. Testimony continuing inside today. Chris. Maggie vespa, thank you. The fbi has arrested a man in illinois charging him with multiple felony counts connected to his actions during the january 6th insurrection, including Swinging A Trump flag at officers. I want to bring in nbcs ryan reilly. What more can you tell us, ryan, about this suspect . Yeah, so hes one of a number of individuals who were arrested this week, in fact where a dozen were arrested this week, and yesterday alone there were half a dozen arrests just ahead of the State Of The Union speech. So this individual was someone who the federal Authorities Say used a trump flag to swing at Police Officers at the Lower West Tunnel where some of the worst violence of the day took place. In his other hand he was holding a stop the steal poster. Really a little question about what his underlying motivations were in connection with why he was there on january 6th. Weve just seen that in case after case after case. There does seem to have been a spurt of higher increase on the number of arrests. This week we saw arrests in california and florida, in alaska, illinois, indiana. Really just a lot of these arrests coming in. As you see there on the photo, an image from his Facebook Page in which he has a trump hat on and then is holding a little statue of the former president. His Facebook Page today i just went to it, and it has images of him in front of a truck with six different trump flags on it. Hes wearing, again, the trump hat. Hes wearing a trump shirt. So really little question about why he showed up there on january 6th, especially as the current president , joe biden tries to put an emphasis on republican covering up what happened on january 6th didnt really happen. Ryan reilly, thanks so much. What seems like a years worth of big stories packed into one whirlwind leak. Eddie glaude will join us with some perspective heading into the longest general election in history. As a united plane loses a tire in midair after takeoff, the details and the Safety Questions that are piling up in our next hour. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. 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I want to bring in eddie glaude jr. What a year this week has been, i dont want to call it the new normal. I dont know, maybe its the new abnormal normal . Well, i think, chris, i think your lead, how you framed the conversation is so important. Were in a moment where everything is in transition. Everything is in flux. And so, you know, the standing assumptions about our politics, the standing assumptions about our relationships to each other are actually all kind of jumbled together. And so, you know, the best thing we can do is just buckle up. And focus on whats in front of us. And that is, in some ways, the future of the country. So i imagine you get this question, but in some critical moments in history, whether it was after columbine or after 9 11 or after the 2000 election. People would come up to me and say, i dont know how youre doing, but now ive gotten that question for the last couple of years easily, and i saw you share this piece on edge from daunte stewart, he wrote this, if theres anything that on my part and in these days that i have crawled back to it is the way that baldwin, as morrison wrote in her eulogy to him gave us language to articulate our pearls, to deeply understand our place in the world not simply as humans but as people who come from a battered and worn and complex history. Can baldwin, who you know so well help us find the language to process this moment so many people, eddie, are trying to find a way to process it. Well, i think baldwin is among many. We have to reach for artists to find language to understand our confusion, to find language to give voice to our dissatisfaction. The fact that in so many ways, the ground beneath our feet is unsettled. You know, last night, the president in his State Of The Union, chris, said a whole range of things. You know, people have been focusing on hiS Performance. But he said something that really struck me. He said, the days of trickle down economics are over. It was this dramatic announcement that the age of reagan is done. And the question that i kept asking myself after i heard it is whats going to replace it. I know he gave us pieces of it. Thats what were feeling over and over again, the ways in which we went about living our lives, that what it meant to be americans have lost its way. We dont know what it is. Its slipping through our hands, and so theres a deep sense of anxiety, and that anxiety has everything to do with the flood of news thats overwhelming us every single day, not only on television, but on social media and in our conversations with our fellows. Theres a cumulative effect, isnt there, eddie, each one of this weeks events is a domino, and i didnt even mention, for example, the long list of reports of children starving in gaza. It was the warmest winter on record that just ended, so Climate Change marches on. It really struck me, one of our correspondents today was out talking to College Students, about a dozen of them. Half of them had not watched the State Of The Union. The other half didnt even know the State Of The Union was going on. And, i mean, it could be, you know College Students better than i do now, among the people who just say, i cant take it anymore, like i just have to disconnect. And what is the impact of a disconnected electorate . You know, i dont think its disconnection. Imagine a storm, you know, i grew up near the gulf of mexico, so i grew up in hurricanes and, you know, when the force of the wind is battering the house, you know, sometimes you close your eyes. Sometimes you try to find Something Else to draw your attention because the fear is so deep, it cuts to the marrow of the bone. But that doesnt mean that you dont know youre in a storm. That doesnt mean youre somehow going to be reckless and walk out in the middle of it. Unless its the eye, of course. And so part of what we have to understand is sometimes when the head winds are so strong, you close your eyes but that doesnt mean you dont know the head winds are there. Theres a lot of information. Were in the Longest Campaign in the history of president ial campaigns. Sometimes folks are going to take a deep breath and close their eyes, but they know the stakes, they know the stakes. Yeah, and i think joe biden recognizes that part of what he needs to do, you mentioned about being down south. 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