>> yes, i was going, to say not surprising they are trying to milk it for as long as he possibly can. maybe there is a fund-raiser he's going to try and throw at some point. alicia, always good to see you my, friend thank, you enjoy the rest of your evening. now good evening to our, home welcome to ayman tonight. donald trump rejected judge tanya chutkan says the ex president is not immune for prosecution related to the capitol insurrection. then, donald trump silenced the gag order in his civil fraud trial has been reinstated, and power to the people, activists are pushing abortion rights measures to beat critical swing state ballots in 2024. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. we begin this hour with major news out of washington d.c., breaking late last, night u.s. district judge tanya chutkan has denied two of trump's motions to dismiss the federal elections interference case that was brought forth against him. first, chutkan world presidents do not have absolute immunity from criminal prosecution that falls within their responsibilities, except i impeached and convicted in the sena quote, whatever immunity is a sitting president may enjoy, the united states has only one chief executive out of, time and that position does not confer a lifelong get out of jail free card. chutkan also said, trump's indidoes not violate the first amendment jecting a second motion to dismiss saying in, part quote, it isll established that the first t es not protect speech thatissed as an instrument of a crime, and consequently an indictment which charges defendant with among other, things making statements and furtherance of a crime, does not violate the first amendment rights. now attorneys for trump are expected to appeal immediately to the u.s. court of appeals of d.c. circuit, potentially delaying trump's scheduled march 4th trial. the decision comes on the heels of other stunnis on the january six front. there's a new book out former republican congresswoman liz cheney caused other gop enablers who almost helped trump ste 2020 election. w aording to cheney, on the day of the insurrection, republicans were urged to sign their names to objection sheets, they did so, cheney, rights despite knowing that the scheme, , quote wasfarce, and, quote another public display of -- to donald trump. cheney shes her anecdotes involving republican congressman marc greene of tennessee,, quote as he moved down the line signing his name to the pieces of paper, greene said sheepishly to no one in particular, the things we do for the orange jesus. now cheney also provides new insight into this, now infamous image of kevin mccarthy meeting with trump at mar-a-lago just three weeks after the insurrection. mccarthy told, cheney he paid a visit to the disgraced ex president because trump wasn't eating, and was quote, really depressed. now you will remember that photo op to help rehabilitate the ex presidents image after the deadly attack, back into the folds of the republican party. chinese revelations prove that time and time again, when republicans were given the chance to do the right thing, to stanup against donald trump, t distance themselves from him, they did not do that. in fact, they took the easy way out, which brings us to another january 6th development this week. according to new reporting from abc news, the former vice ident mike pence provided harrowing details about trump -- in theafrmath of the 2020 electicialounsel jack smith's team earlier this year. pence told, smith trump surrendered himself with crazy lawyers, on american legal theories, and nearly pushed the country into a constitutional crisis. re probably wondering, what is all of this? abou smith's team also get their hands on the notes from that time period, according to one of e notes, just days before pence was set to preside over congress to certify the election results, he actually momentarily decided that he would skip the proceedings altogether. pence reportedly wrote that there are, quote, too many, questions and it would otherwise be, quote, too hurtful to my friend. he ultimately carried out his constitutional duty, but these notes showed just how close we came to the alternative. pence had stood by his friend on that day, and pushed the big lie over the finish line, we could be living in a drastically different undemocratic america today. let's bring in my panel to have this conversation, molly jong-fast correspondent for vanity fair and host of the fast politics podcast, former republican congressman -- of florida, he is now an msnbc political analyst -- and former federal prosecutor and legal affairs columnist for politico. great have all three of you with us. i would like to start with, you just breaking down for, us in simple terms, what a judge tanya chutkan said in her, ruling and what actually means for the simple cases against the ex president? >> so the first thing she did was say as you pointed out a moment ago, that a president does not get a lifetime to get out of jail free card. essentially donald trump was arguing that the president get absolute immunity all time, for -- and the judge pointed out, the constitution -- on the floor of the senate, and in addition, they for example state constitution that -- to their governors. but that did not occur in the case of our constitution, just rejected that. she also rejected the argument that the first amendments -- what he was saying and doing as he was, speaking of, course many crimes like fraud, or -- all sorts of things involved made statements that -- he made some other arguments that -- he rejected all of those arguments asking that and really what that does is an appeal he pointed out on appeal and to the point not just in terms of the substance of the appeal and the terms of the timing, because of course part of the strategy by raising -- have an appeal at this time and delay and file on the -- >> so, in chat's filing, she wrote that trump's time as president as you said, basically didn't give him quote divine right to avoid it accountability that governs fellow citizens. it reminded me of when she said quote presidents are not kings, when she granted the january six committee access to basically white house records. >> absolutely. i will say if you can tell she is a gifted -- and i think she understands that she is writing for history. there's no decisions are going to be talking about for many many years to come. historians will be writing about. ultimately her decision is going to be the basis of and be looked at by the -- coming up and the d.c. circuit court of appeals which you alluded to a moment ago. another -- could be the final word in this case is the free quota sides that -- which is really could be the source of a significant delay if that ends up -- mali let's move over to this bombshell revelation from former congressman liz cheney's book. cheney was once the third highest ranking republican in the house. she knows what she is talking about. she is now blasting her former colleagues as enablers. what do you make of the anecdotes we have heard so far? what kind of picture do they paint about the republican party during this tumultuous time in our country's history. >> what i think is interesting about all of these list cheney anecdotes, these antics votes, is that we see everything we suspected was happening was really happening. like it does not surprise me one bit that they were calling him the orange jesus. none of that stuff surprises me. because we saw it from the outside. one surprises me is there are so few brave republicans. so few republicans actually stood up to him, and actually left the party. what liz cheney is doing, she basically destroyed her political career in the hopes of stopping trump. and it did not work. think about how few republicans actually didn't do that. so many of them just decided to recreate themselves as maga, more just stay silent and hope he went away, more to embrace these tenets of democracy. so i think she is quite brave. i don't agree with her politically on pretty much anything, but i'm just shocked that there are so few people that are doing this. and certainly, everything she says tracks with everything we saw from the outside. >> and congressman, the subtitle of cheney's book i think is also very telling. a memoir, and a -- she making it clear that trump poses a present danger to america, that is threat is still very much present in our society. cheney writes, quote, the assumption that our institutions will protect themselves is purely wishful thinking by people who prefer to look the other way. why does the republican party continue to look the other way? >> well, ayman, something that liz cheney did certainly tell us the truth about donald trump. but she also told us other truth and explained why republicans act, and what they really believe. time after time, we have heard accounts of republicans saying things about donald trump in private, that they refused to say in public, and what liz cheney has done is highlight the most republicans are driven not by respect for donald trump, not by admiration for donald trump, but by fear of donald trump. that is why they do not say publicly what they feel inside, what they say to their colleagues privately, because they are afraid of donald trump. because for them it is more important to hold on to power than to be committed to the truth. that is the big difference between liz cheney and a lot of other republicans. she was committed to the truce, not just to stopping donald, trump is telling the truth, and even though she lost her election, i certainly think it was worth it. >> let's move on to these new details regarding what mike pence told jack smith's team, what could the former vice president reveal if he took the stand? >> one thing he is going to, reveal a, man is in the conversations he had with trump, there's handwritten notes for example that were produced at the special counsel, and we know there were -- conversations in the lead up to january 6th, where trump was pushing in and urging him to try to set aside the election, overturn the election. mike pence is the only person who can tell us exactly what was said in those conversations. his testimony is going to be crucial, because he is also going to have to justify regarding what he perceived trump was trying to do to him. he was the individual -- being coerced by, trump and as you just mentioned a moment to, go amen, that actually almost worked. our democracy and it up really resting on a razor's edge. so absolutely, i think it is going to be crucial testimony not just my factual, perspective but from an emotional perspective -- >> molly, as i, mention pants almost didn't show up to capitol hill on january 6th because it would be hurtful to, his, words not mine friend donald trump. and in the aftermath of that, they there have been many who have praised him for his bravery. but do these new notes reveal just how difficult that decision to abide by the constitution was for pants, that anytime we want to keep praise, on him or be grateful or thankful that he saved our democracy on that day, that we should be reminded of justice was not a guy acting out of good faith, but really almost we just got lucky on that day with mike pence? >> yes, we got really lucky with this whole trump and first term, and hopefully last term. the guardrails helped but just barely. i mean the original story is that dan quayle -- convinced mike pence. he had to certify the election. again, someone who perhaps was at the lowest republicans could ever go during his time. so, you know, i do not know. look, mike pence is no hero. i think we all know that he has just the based himself, and really made himself so pathetic in a way that was really -- everything trump touches. so i do think it was pretty bleak. i do not think anyone celebrating mike pence. i think the leopard -- the party that we're the leopards eat your face have it in his face. >> i was going to say, you kind of saw that in what i would say it was just a pathet attempt at a presidential run that lasted all of a hot . public remarks, at a d.c. judge -- who actually spearheaded the judiciary's response, 11th at the capitol on january the 6th, warned that the u.s. faces an authoritarian threat. she did not name trump directly, but i think for all of, us i think anyone who watches us are follows, it is pretty clear who she was referring to. no one has had a better view of a january 6th through the eyes of our legal system, and prosecutions then judge howell. how serious should we be taking her warnings? >> we should take it very seriously, a man. authoritarians emerge during times where lies take root in society. we have seen in recent years how lies have proliferated in our society, and how people like donald trump have exacerbated those lies to try and diminish institutions. institutions are powerful. how institutions are one designed, but institutions require good people to do the right thing. and when lies are pervasive, and society -- [inaudible] those institutions where you can, authoritarians who want to put themselves above the law gain ground. so we have to take it very seriously. i hope that more and more, both parties come to an agreement that we can have political differences in this country, and we should because we want to have a healthy debate. but we do not want a debate about the truth. when you want a common understanding, on what the truth is. >> molly, carlos, charles, please stick, round we have a lot more to discuss after the break. the gag order in trump's civil fraud trial has been reinstated, what does that mean? 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>> well, to, where it's the first amendment, so ultimately we saw it by -- judge chutkan had a much broader guy, quarter and i think all of us paid attention to the fact that -- in the court of appeals about exactly how far to go or not go. to judge engoron in new york took a different strategy. had a very narrow gag order. and one that the court of appeals immediately very quickly upheld why because protecting the court staff or not public figures, we have nothing to do with this all other than just doing their job. very straightforward. now trump is trying to test the waters, trying to see if he can get the judge to provoke some fight with him over trying to protect -- something that makes the team more personal. trump is trying to distract us all from -- you mentioned a moment ago, a man, he is losing in court. in fact i would call this basically a long slow defeat for trump. you know when we -- used the term slow played, why somebody essentially is either pleading guilty to the -- in their head around, that and they would just essentially force the defense attorney to go through the motions, or foregone conclusion. i think that is what is happening here. trump is trying to get us talking about something else other than pretty much inevitable in this trial. >> molly, trump's legal defense team has all but given up in court, instead they are just attacking the judge in court, staff and i have to, wonder is their goal to provoke judge engoron introduces doing something that would then somehow be exploited and justified in the appeal process? what in the world could they possibly be thinking there? >> well i think trump world has two goals when it comes to these cases. one is to run up the, clock to appeal to appeal, and the other is to kick it up to a higher court. that is always the job one of the trump legal team. so i would say they put a lot of these cases, especially when it comes to the valuation case, you know these are not great cases for trump. so they are just sort of trying to do what trump always does. it is just kill time, and hope that he gets reelected, and that then he can either get them dismissed or paused, or pardon themselves, remember trump is always trying to run out the clock. >> carlos, when a grand final decision comes in january, how do you see it shaking up, if at, all the primary race? >> well, that is going to be an opportunity for a candidate like nikki haley which a lot of republicans are talking about, and excited about. in recent weeks, to make the case to those republican voters, and early states, saying donald trump can't be a good candidate for president for a number of reasons, but in this case specifically, because he has major legal baggage. he is going to be in court rooms throughout all of 2024, and he is likely to get convicted, were to lose some of these cases. so it will be another opportunity for someone like nikki haley, if not her one of the other candidates to breakthrough and try to russell away this nomination that donald trump seemingly has all locked up. >> we now know trump is planning to take the stand again on december 11th to testify in his own defense. it begs one question, given what has already happened, why? >> because trump wants to do this case in the court of public opinion. he thinks that -- that is what he goes to a lot of the cases, and a lot of the, trials because he wants his people to see him. he wants them, because he knows they believe what he says. so he doesn't have to operate on earth one, he can operate on earth to. he can say things like he is running against the legal system here. he is trying to get his people to sort of follow along with him. so he doesn't necessarily care what the real world does. if his base sticks with him, maybe he could ride this to reelection. >> yet we wl have to weigh in and see, i cares about is the court of public opinion. carlos, thanyou to both of, you molly john, fast police take around. activist in nine states are hoping to to continue and unbroken streak to protect reproductive rights at the ballot, boxed more on the 2024 strategy next. are you replacing me? with this guy? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache! oh, look! a bibu. 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>> yes, thank you so much for having me tonight. abortion vela measures have been a critical part of the long term strategy to restore abortion rights. state-by-state, we have been winning and state by state we are paving the way to restoring access in this country, and in as many places as we can. nevada is just one of those states. we have seen from, kansas to ohio, that reproductive freedom is possible, and florida, and other states that you mention are next on the line. in nevada it is true, we have had a setback, our opponents are using every trick in the book to stop voters from exercising their democratic, freedom and showing their true feelings, and voting their feelings on reproductive rights. this is yet another example. trying to prevent nevada and some being able to exercise their rights in the ballot, box and we are very optimistic that we will get there. we wi to the ballot, we we are excited for the effort toa to continue. >>, propublica recently review dothcountry's strictest abortion bans that have been passed before roe was actually overturned. it found only for changes to allow abortion ban exchanges as state lawmakers caved to pressure from antiabortion groups. explain to us what is happening here. what do you think is happening here? >> so republicans call the card here, he had wanted to and choice for women, but i never thought they would get. it when they got, it they thought they had these very restrictive bills that were not ultimately set up to be real life things. and it did not necessarily sort of, no one pump the brakes on what this will mean for a, woman what this will mean for you, doctor what this will mean for treatment. what happened really after the supreme court overturned roe was that we got to see really firsthand that abortion is health care. doctors are not able to treat if they cannot and a pregnancy. so you had women being sent out into parking lots to bleed out in their car, or being told they had to come back when they had sepsis. the american people saw, this and they saw other horror stories like the 12-year-old rape victim who had to go to a different state. they decided they did not like it. maybe they had largely believed in choice before, but it really pushed them over a -- so now you see choice is wildly popular. what you see even more than that is you are seeing that voters want abortion to be between a woman and her doctor. i think you are going to see that more and, more that is what you're seeing in red, states and you saw that in kansas and kentucky with -- and in ohio usc voters say no, i do not want republican politicians in the gynecological chair with me. i think that the state winning message for democrats. i think it is a winning message for women. it is a winning message for doctors. >> jenny, there is a new nbc news national poll that 19% of single issue voters tend to prioritize protecting democracy or constitutional rights, and 18% very close prioritize abortion. when you look at those two together, how hopeful are you that the movement to safeguard abortion rights will galvanize democratic voters next year? the convergence of protecting reproductive rights and protecting democracy mobilizes people in a way that i think republicans have underestimated? >> you nailed it on the head. this issue mobilizes and galvanizes voters across the spectrum in fact. when you look at the mueller team issued death outcomes since jobs fell, we have won with voters of all different stripes. democrats, independents, republicans, what voters want reproductive freedom. they want access to the full range of reproductive health care. and when they are confronted by the reality is that if you're republican and antiabortion politicians have brought into life, the way they are governing is cruel and oppressive. they are not passing laws with exceptions like you mentioned. they are passing the extreme version of these, loss and voters are feeling it. i'm completely and surprised that the top two issues, reproductive freedom and democracy continue to be important to voters, and i'm inspired every time we have an election and voters show time and time again, what their values, are and what they want our country to be like, and >> molly, punchbowl newseedo reports that phone number or republican lamu lawmakers in the swing states, swing districts that joe biden won in 2020 are saying that the gop needs to be more mindful about how it talks about abortion in the run up to 2024. do you think we are going to see a gop either modify its approach to talk about abortion, or perhaps even moderate the way it talks about abortion? >> well that would be smart, but the problem with this republican party and likely for those of us who like democracy, is that this republican party is holding hostage to its base. the base calls the shots. and so they have gotten such support from evangelicals, and from the anti -- that they are not going to lead the moderate their. you even see trump trying to back away from, it because he knows that choice is a winner, and antichoice is a loser. we are seeing this in all of the elections since roe was overturned. but he can't do it, because this antiabortion group is his base. they do not want to see any of this come back. so i think it is going to be a real problem. i think democrats have a great opportunity to use something from the playbook. just like he did with same-sex marriage, in 2000 and, for you put abortion on every state, you put it as a, ballot and you get people out there voting on the things they care about. >> absolutely, that would be smart if the democrats do the politics of it that way. and i'm sure they will with some of these key races. jenny, molly jong-fast, thank, you appreciate it. ahead, we will change gears and get an update from the mother of -- who was one of the three palestinian american students shot last week in vermont. - with vraylar. some medicines only treat the lows or highs. vraylar treats depressive, acute manic, and mixed episodes of bipolar 1 in adults. proven, full-spectrum relief for all bipolar 1 symptoms. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles or confusion which may mean a life-threatening reaction, or uncontrollable muscle movements which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. sleepiness and stomach issues are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. we really don't want people to think of feeding food like ours is spoiling their dogs. good, real food is simple. it looks like food, it smells like food, it's what dogs are supposed to be eating. no living being should ever eat processed food for every single meal of their life. it's amazing to me how many people write in about their dogs changing for the better. the farmer's dog is just our way to help people take care of them. ♪ last weekend, 3:20-year-old palestinian college students were shot and critically injured in burlington, vermont. police say -- we're taking a walk during a family gathering when a white man confronted them, and ruthlessly began firing from a handgun. students were speaking a mix of english and arabic, and two of them were wearing black and white palestinian scarves known as -- according to the burlington police chief. all three are now in stable condition, but -- sustained much more serious injuries. the suspect, jason eaton has pleaded not guilty to three counts of second degree attempted murder, as prosecutors determine whether the shooting should be treated as a hate crime. here is one of those students speaking yesterday with nbc. >> did you ever think anything like this could happen on american soil? >> i certainly hope not. i have heard other palestinians being beat up, stabbed, more humiliated, but i certainly lippman expect to be a shot and there is a difference between intellectually doi and firsthand experiencing i or close people around you experiencing it. >> now anti-postindian rhetoric and finance have escalated across the country since october an ex obama ministration official is facing crimes and stalking charges after he was recently recorded harassing a new york city food vendor with islamophobic language. in one exchange, stewart told the worker, quote, if we killed 4000 palestinian kids, you know what, it was not enough. -- have also faced harassment across college campuses in america. in october, students in a pro palestinian group at the university of texas at austin were harassed by three men at one of their events. one man crossed that members of the group, calling them terrorists, told them he was going to israel to kill arabs. in a preliminary investigation, campus police found that men do not have an affiliation with the university. joining me now is elizabeth price, the mother of -- who is still hospitalized in burlington. elizabeth, thank you so much for making time for us, tonight i know you are overseas when your son was shot, you have travel to be with him now in vermont. as he is recovering, can you just tell us how he is doing right now? >> well -- [inaudible] and physically, but he is currently in a bid. we just had a nurse move in there to shift his legs around before he goes to sleep tonight. he has no ability to move anything from the mid chest downwards and he has very limited sensations. so he's -- [inaudible] >> i wanted to ask, you elizabeth, about the attack against these three young men, your son included, and how or whether you see it connected to the broader rhetoric that we are witnessing in the united states against palestinians, including from politicians and that media in this country. >> i can only -- [inaudible] win two [inaudible] more clearly visible, i think this is a causal linkage. i've heard too many reports of people being harassed for their identity as a result of what people have been talking about. presidential candidates. members of state representatives. mainstream media. calling for the extermination of the people of gaza, describing the people in gaza in terms of being evil. things that make me feel that the media and many of the political leaders in this company feel it is okay and actually wars, it is good for them -- their profit line or electoral votes to dehumanize palestinians. it's completely unacceptable. and to extend that, you have government leaders who either asking for things to go on or just being complicit by refusing to support a cease-fire and a situation where you have over 1 million people without food, without water, without fuel, what that medical supplies, and you have a population proportionate to the u.s. population, 3.2 1 million people. that is the equivalent of a state. a few states. different states. the percentage of palestinians living in the gaza strip's -- eye lift and palestine. and i have, in the last two months, been unable to visit my in laws because even though it takes an hour to get there, i'm too scared of the sudden violence on the road -- and i can't take the risk of drive-in theater. so, when you see that leadership of that news, seeing that and raising that, or being complicit with that, or just saying it's okay, there should be more. but of course palestinians are seen as something to be dehumanized and to be erased and the act of shooting them. >> there is something that is tragically ironic, that your son grew up in the occupied west bank, living under occupation, and all the dangerous and payrolls that entails. and yet he was also shot here in the united states, and a place where he and you probably felt he would be safer, once he was on a college campus and able to be free year than he was when he was 11 and occupation. adrian think a lot of our viewers necessarily know what life is like under occupation. can you talk us -- to us about what your experience was and what it was like for you to raise your son in the occupied west bank? >> [inaudible] when i first got married, it was the second intifada. -- she was two or three during the second intifada. we would have extended periods of days where we wouldn't be allowed to leave the house. [inaudible] as much of growing up, there have been repeated bombardments [inaudible] off the palestinian people and gaza. our children have grown up knowing that life in gaza is [inaudible] . we drive through the west bank to say my and laws. we could stop at the checkpoint for a long period with guns, or actually worse, my husband took them to visit my and lost a few years ago and a whole bunch of very young men and women block the streets and were yelling at the cars, with soldiers nearby watching. that was a few years ago, and that was intimidating for them and frustrating for my husband because hate was [inaudible] . nowadays, it would be terrifying. terrifying because the settlers themselves feel emboldened to shoot on camera with soldiers watching. my children go to school, and that school is often closed for a day, in mourning of the number of people being killed. so -- we know someone has died. the straits are covered with graffiti of the names of people who've been killed, and, too many of them are children. and my son said, in a statement, he had been shot in the west bank, he would have been left to do, not to pull it out. my son would have been shot by an israeli soldier -- often, when people are shot, they stop the ambulances from accessing him. and the time they are able to be retrieved, they are dead. or he would have been thrown into prison. they have arrested thousands of people of gaza and the past two months. many of them are children and many are held without charge and extended. so [inaudible] , human rights are not observed by the occupying country, and when it is [inaudible] without the international community really being able or feeling comfortable or choosing to register a complaint against the actions of the israeli army. >> elizabeth, price i know you and your family are just some of the minute palestinian families struggling now with everything that's happening. we're so sorry your son has had to experience this. we wish him a very speedy recovery and a full recovery to you and to him. my very best. thank you for joining us. up next, switching gears to politics, back here at home. the senate judiciary committee finally issued subpoenas to conservative activists and its investigation into the supreme courts ethical issues. easterseals is a place that people go with many disabilities. mother: the care and the love that they give to families, it's just... extraordinary. your urgently needed support can help people of all ages and at all stages of life have all the access they need to address barriers and thrive. looking at this beautiful baby that i have and not knowing what his future looked like. i knew he needed help. good job. keep going. easterseals has been trusted by families nationwide for over 100 years. step... i'm almost there. yes you are. offering important disability and community services like critical health programs, therapies and so much more. please go online, call or scan right now with your life-changing gift of just $19 a month. child: i wasn't able to walk as long or ride my bike. but now, strengthening with easterseals made me able to do that. visit helpeasterseals.com, call or scan the code on your screen and join today with your gift of $19 a month. do it right now and we'll send you this t-shirt as a thank you. easterseals is our happy place. it brings joy. they make you feel like you belong. people with disabilities deserve to be fully included, to lead productive independent lives. and i think anyone who donates to easterseals sees that. thank you, cause there's a lot of people with disabilities out there. people like me. your gift of $19 a month can connect people to easterseals and make all the difference so please, don't wait. have heart failure with unresolved symptoms? 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