spokesman john kirby with an uptate on the number of american hostages still being held by hamas following the release of a 4-year-old girl. the humanitarian pause in gaza remains in effect this morning. we'll have the latest on when more hostages could be freed. also ahead, an update on the college students of palestinian descent who were shot in burlington, vermont. we'll hear from the mother of one of the victims. plus, as if a rematch of 2020 wasn't bad enough, donald trump is bringing back a top issue from his 2016 campaign. it's a pledge on which he never delivered. we'll explain what that is. >> i mean, it's unpopular, too. >> why would we deliver on that? >> he is once again going to promise something that's extremely unpopular with people. we're talking about, you know, "the wall street journal" lead, talking about israel and hamas extend the truce two days. "the new york times" lead the same, talking about how israel and hamas agreed to extend pause and swap. mika, you know, you said something yesterday that really, really struck a chord with me and i think with a lot of people who were watching, when you said, you know what, for people who want to make age an issue, you're damn right, it is an issue. and we're getting through this process of negotiating with some very difficult, very dangerous, in some cases, very terrible people, and the process is still moving forward because joe biden knows all the players. >> yeah. i mean, this is the big stage, the world stage, and with everything at stake on two separate fronts. two wars, ukraine and israel, literally putting everything on the line for the rest of the world, for global security. would i want a man who is a straight-a student in his 40s or 50s out there, or do i want someone with 40, 50 years of experience on the world stage? that includes decades of wins and losses, politically and geopolitically. i can't think of somebody else i'd want. you name 'em. somebody name a better at this point, more mature mind that can attack these problems and address them with all the different levels of emotion that need to come to the moment. >> right. >> he does it. >> and there's a third door that is there, willie. it's not just a guy with 50 years of experience and is extraordinary in diplomacy, or a 40-year-old straight a student. i never knew any of those. neither did mika. but the third door is a guy who is just off his rocker, who tried to overthrow the united states government, who said he is going to terminate the constitution of the united states, said his vice president deserved hanging, said he wanted to execute the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and is confused, does not know what decade he is in. thinks he is running against barack obama. he thinks we just may soon stumble into world war ii. we won't even get into the leaders that he's confused by, like who is running turkey, who is running hungary. yeah, it's all very, very confusing to him, i know. but these are the days, these are the days where, actually, experience is extraordinarily c voters for far too long, and look what we've gotten for it over the past 20 years. it's good to have somebody in the white house who knows what he's doing and knows all the players on the world stage. >> and can project at least some sense of calm, publicly standing with the israeli people while privately pushing benjamin netanyahu on the way he is prosecuting the war. rihaass is with us and will have thoughts on that in a moment. to your point, more hostages expected to be released today now that israel and hamas extended the temporary truce. qari officials said both sides agreed to extend the pause for an additional two days. the original pause would have ended today. president biden remains deeply engaged in the deal to make sure it continues to deliver results. adding, quote, he will not stop until all the hostages held by hamas terrorists are released, end quote. the israeli government hasn't commented but it offered to continue the pause in fighting if hamas releases an additional ten hostages a day. late last night, officials received the names of those expected to be freed today. pause also allows for more humanitarian aid to enter gaza. joining us now live from tel-aviv, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. good morning. tell us more about how this new pause, this new extension came into play, and what the deal looks like in these prisoner exchanges for hostages. >> reporter: so we were expecting that today the israeli bombing campaign against hamas in gaza would resume. that is what israel said would happen. it said as soon as this temporary pause was over, then its mission to eliminate hamas from the gaza strip would begin in earnest. but in the 11th hour, as there were a few hours remaining for this temporary truce, qatar and egypt announced that there had been an extension. hamas also said that there had been this extension under the same terms. it means for every one hostage that is released, there will be three palestinian prisoners released from israeli jails. we're expecting to see ten, perhaps more than ten released today by hamas, and then another ten tomorrow. what happens after that is an open question. will israel resume its bombing campaign, or will there be yet another extension? israel says that if hamas stops handing over the hostages, it will immediately go back to its military campaign. but there is a note of caution that qatari and other arab advisors are sounding. they are saying that it is not just hamas that is holding hostages. there are dozens of other hostages being held by other militant groups inside gaza. so they are appealing for more time. they are saying that what has been established now should be built on, that this should develop into a more sustainable truce to allow hamas, which is the, still, the local government there, to try and get a better handle of the situation, understand where these hostages are. israel is concerned that hamas is just playing for time and wants to keep the pressure on. so we think we know what might happen for the next 48 hours with this deal extending and that it is a completely open question, what happens after that. >> richard, what do we know about the htas that have been returned to israel? there were 3-year-old twins among the 11 yesterday. we're seeing young children. we're seeing older people also released. on the other side, what kind of prisoners are being sent back into gaza? what kind of criminals are they, and why were they being held in israel? >> reporter: so there's a -- so far, from gaza, it has been just women and children. women and children that hamas said from the very beginning it was willing to exchange for -- either just give up or exchange for females and minors held in israeli jails. these are, relatively speaking, the easy hostages. it'll be much more complicated once we get into the idea of exchanging men or young women which hamas considers soldiers. some of them are actually soldiers, were serving, were captured in uniform. others are just military-aged men and women who hamas considers soldiers because they could be drafted into the reserves or called up for duty at almost any time. that will be far more complicated because hamas will ask for more senior level militant, will ask for key players that are in israeli jails. it'll ask for far greater numbers, and it could ask for all israeli troops to leave the gaza strip, for example. we don't know exactly what hamas is going to ask for, but the price will certainly be higher. in terms of the people that israel has been releasing, generally, they've been low level. these have been not people who are militant leaders by any stretch of the imagination. they were people who were held for minor offenses. some of them have only been in custody for a short amount of time. there has been some frustration among ordinary palestinians who think that israel has been rounding up people, using new laws, using new incitement laws here, the new laws that have just been passed, that if you tweet something online supporting gaza or that is interpreted as supporting hamas, you could be quickly arrested. israel, at this stage, is just releasing low-level people, including some that have just quite recently been detained. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in tel-aviv again for us today. richard, thanks so much. we always appreciate it. joe, behind all this, the qatari government is working to mediate this, but president biden is right there, as he indicated in his statement, buying some more time. it's just 48 hours, but the first goal, as he has said and prime minister netanyahu has said, is getting these hostages out of gaza, freeing them from hamas. >> right. >> then, once that is done, then, you know, israel can continue to prosecute its war, to uproot and get rid of hamas. for now, good news, some hostages are being released. >> yeah, good news, very good news on that front. the front page, lead story written by peter baker, he does write that it was president biden that got this done. at the president's urging, peter baker writes, the two sides agreed on monday to extend the temporary pause in the war between israel and hamas. two more days to allow the release of an additional 20 hostages according to qatar. that gives all sides more breathing space but only postpones the most critical question by another 48 hours, namely, what happens whenever the negotiating pause eventually expires? richard haass, we all salute the president's extraordinary diplomatic skills and the team he has working throughout the region. and he has provided more breathing space. what i'm hearing from diplomats and leaders in the region is that they are -- they want to do deals with the israelis moving forward. they want to be able to do that. they are very concerned that if israel goes right back to massive bombardment and what we saw before this cease-fire, that it is going to set mideast peace back for quite some time. these arab neighbors who have wanted to be allies with israel since the abraham accord process started, aren't going to have the breathing space to do that. so what does the biden administration want after this next 48 hour truce ends? >> joe, what i think we're seeing from the biden administration is two things. one is almost, i'd say, there has been a shift in emphasis. i'd say it's get the hostages out first, prosecute the war against hamas second. that's where the biden administration is coming from quite clearly. it is also where i think the israeli public is. it is not where the israeli government is, but the israeli government is forced to agree with the biden administration and the israeli public. at some point, my guess is all the hostages won't be out. either there won't be an accounting, hamas will want to keep some, some of the other groups will keep some, then the question of resumption of military operations will come up. that's another emphasis with president biden and the secretary of state. less when the action resumes but how. what you'll see is increasing pressure not to go back to the massive aerial bombardment. there was a powerful piece in "the new york times" two days ago, which essentially made the case that this is unprecedented. this amount of large-scale bombardment against civilian populations causing this amount of civilian casualties, even if some of the numbers out of gaza are inflated, the numbers are still horrific and unprecedented. i think you'll see much more pressure that israel needs to go in small, more patiently, not do attacks where it is inevitable you would cause a large amount of civilian casualties. in some ways, embrace the kinds of policies that a lot of special forces units in this country would argue were the lessons of iraq and afghanistan. be patient. be small. be targeted. don't be in a hurry. don't go in big from the air. >> i mean, it's the -- you're exactly right. it's the lessons of iraq, of afghanistan, and of syria now. i'm not talking about from 2003 to 2006/'07, when we had massive numbers of troops there, but what we've been able to do in pushing back isis, pushing back terror groups, pushing back iranian terrorist groups moving across the region. you are so right. a much smaller footprint, a more nimble footprint, and wait for your opportunities. i think that obviously is what the region hopes. again, by the region, i'm talking about arab allies of israel's who want much more to have a future with israel than they do with the palestinians. that's just a reality. by the way, on a personal note, just a personal note, "morning joe," we're very relieved here. i think the new york state authorities are going to be backing off of us. the child labor laws that we had been -- >> oh. >> -- violating for quite some time. i think jonathan lemire, today -- >> he is finally a man. >> -- celebrating a birthday and is of age. i wouldn't put it that way, but he is of age today. >> thank you. >> legal working age in a "morning joe" studio, so congratulations, jonathan lemire. >> because we're all old. >> on, what is it, your 18th birthday, 19th birthday? >> yeah, finally, we evaded albany long enough. we can put this out in the open now. the attorney general has been busy with other matters, but thank you, yes. >> happy birthday. >> thank you. thank you. it is my birthday today, much appreciated. joe, we have a little news on this development, to richard's point, about what the u.s. is looking to get out of -- from israel right now. cia director william burns just arrived in qatar to engage in talks there with their prime minister as well as one of bibi netanyahu's top advisors, trying to broker a bigger deal for more hostages. trying to extend this pause in the fighting beyond these next two days. you know, this coincides with secretary of state blinken also heading back to the region later this week, as well. so this is what the white house is now really publicly signaling to what they've been privately communicating in recent days. >> right. >> they want the focus to be to keep the fighting down, to try to get more hostages out. we heard yesterday from john kirby at the white house podium acknowledging that they're not sure how many americans are still left. they think it is seven or eight. they don't know their conditions, don't know their whereabouts. truthfully, they don't know how many of them are still alive. this is a focus right now, to try to keep the fighting down, to get more people out. >> a lot of moving parts. a lot of news to cover still. up next in just one minute, we'll take a quick break, the suspect accused of shooting three college students of palestinian descent in vermont on saturday pleads not guilty to charges of attempted murder. we'll have the latest on the investigation when "morning joe" returns in 60 seconds. returns in 60 seconds. ight? [dog barks] oh. no it's just a bunny! calm down taco. sit duchess. stop! sesame no no. archie! walter don't, no, ahhhh. ahhhhh! you're lucky you're so cute. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. only pay for what you need. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. [speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business. the suspected gunman in burlington, vermont, the shooting there that injured three palestinian u.s. college students, pleaded not guilty to three counts of attempted second degree murdereaton was ordered to be held without bail. according to a probable cause affidavit, when law enforcement came to eaton's door, he told the agents, quote, i've been waiting for you. police searched his apartment and found a handgun and rounds of distinctive red-tipped ammunition, the same type as some found at the scene of the shooting. this comes as we learn more about the three victims. the group of friends were on a walk, speaking in arabic and wearing traditional palestinian scarves when the shooter opened fire. one victim's mother tells nbc news that her son may never walk again, but she remains hopeful. >> we're hoping that his strength of character and his determination will mean that he will work hard and regain strength and walk. hisham is a very, very strong young man, and i believe in his ability to make a difference in his health. >> you know, it is just so, so absolutely disgraceful, willie, that you have these three young men, these three college students that are walking around burlington, vermont. >> yeah. >> coming together from, i believe, brown and trinity college. >> yup. >> they're coming together to celebrate thanksgiving, walking down the street, and they get shot. we're awaiting the fbi and any conclusions on whether it's a hate crime or not. it certainly seems, again, from what we know, all indications are that that is a likelihood. what a tragedy. >> it is appalling when you see these three guys coming home from college, grew up together back home, going to an uncle's house. talked about going to a movie over the weekend. they went bowling the other night. just three buddies from their hometown. they were apparently, according to police, wearing distinctive clothing, so they haven't called this a hate crime yet, but it's not a big leap to understand what likely happened here. a man whose bullet casings in his apartment match those found on the scene, he said, "i've been waiting for you," which was to suggest he knew exactly why the police were there to talk to him. it's gut wrenching and brings to mind the heinous stabbing death of a 6-year-old palestinian-american boy in illinois. >> oh. >> just over a month ago. these are hate crimes in the purest sense and disgusting. >> we are rightly reminded of the rise in anti-semitism since the attacks of october 7th. we also are all too aware of the fact that 60% of all hate crimes in america are targeted against jews, despite the fact they only make up about 2%, 2.5% of our population. at the same time, obviously, muslim-americans deserve our focus and our attention and our protection and our love and our care, because, well, i mean, at least in my eyes, they're not muslim-americans, they're americans. it's like somebody is not a jewish-american, they're an american. these people who are going around trying to separate them out from the rest of us, they're the un-american ones. they're the ones that should be -- that should be condemned in the harshest terms. our prayers, again, with all three of those young men. richard haass, i want to talk quickly about bill burns. when bill burns shows up in russia or bill burns shows up in doha, you know, the negotiations are about to begin. talk about the importance of bill burns going to doha and beginning these negotiations with the head of qatar. >> it's interesting. i worked with bill for decades. very unassuming and low key, but probably the most experienced diplomat we have. he is in, you know, the cia role, but what is interesting is the administration is using him as a third principal, alongside the secretary of state and the national security adviser. bill played a critical role with russia. he was ambassador there, knows putin probably better than any american official. he was ambassador to jordan earlier in his career, knows a lot of officials in the -- you know, throughout the middle east. what we're also seeing on things like hostage type negotiations, the fact that he is there, the head of mossad, how it is conducted, it's usually through qatar, and that's how you reach hamas. it is go-betweens. bill has taken on a role that's far beyond providing intelligence support. he is the third principal on the foreign policy economic front. if there is a second biden administration, he could be in line for something like the state department, given what he's already doing. >> yeah. i just wanted, jonathan lemire, while we're talking about the hostage negotiations and talking about a pause in fighting, i want to draw attention, because this is certainly an attitude not only in israel, but also an attitude shared by a lot of u.s. lawmakers, and that is "the wall street journal" lead editorial, basically saying the united states provides aid to israel, but at the same time, we can't put conditions on how they fight a war against terrorists. there is going to be, again, that rub, again, coming very soon. again, the israelis who endured what they endured on october 7th will obviously take u.s. guidance, but at some point, if we stand in the way or suggest we're going to stand in the way of them destroying hamas, i think this relationship is going to go sideways fast. >> there are a few tension points here. first of all, in washington, there is talk among democratic senators about putting conditions on the military systems, on the aid to israel, which is not unusual. we do that for most other countries. there has been some thought we wouldn't this time around. bernie sanders, few of his fellow democrats are saying we should. it is unclear what majority leader schumer or president biden thinks about that, but that is something to watch here in the states. then, of course, there have been flash points throughout. i mean, the president has made clear that we're not -- we as the u.s. are not going to tell israel how to conduct its war, but they certainly have provided some thoughts and some guidance. israel has accepted some, not others. to your point, you're right, israel will make its own judgments. this is what wories the west wing. they're not sure they have the most trustworthy partner in prime minister netanyahu. that relationship between biden and netanyahu is certainly spanning decades but has been fraught. the white house doesn't believe netanyahu is there long term. at some point, they can see the pole polls in israel, they bloouf believe netanyahu will be moved out. they worry slightly what netanyahu might do to continue his power. >> exactly. he did a lot before all of this. coming up, one of our next guests says the stakes of 2024 are too important to spend time obsessing over every snapshot of the electorate. "vanity fair's" molly jong-fast with her argument of treating polls as actual news events. "morning joe" is coming right back. that first time you take a step back. i made that. with your very own online store. i sold that. and you can manage it all in one place. i built this. and it was easy, with a partner that puts you first. godaddy. hey, doc, if you had to choose, would you give yourself a root canal or run payroll? oh, run payroll. paying my team with gusto takes just a few clicks. they automatically file my taxes for me too. can i run payroll too? choose payroll without the pain. hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ that's working with gusto. changing your habits is the only way that gets you to lose the weight. and golo is the plan that's going to help you do that. just take the first step, go to golo.com. we pay more for prescription drugs than any major nation on earth. but big pharma has been unfairly charging families. and they've been making record profits. not anymore. as president, joe biden's taken on powerful interests on behalf of the american people. for decades, politicians tried to lower prescription drug costs. but joe biden finally got it done. giving medicare the power to negotiate for lower drug prices, capping insulin at $35 a month, and capping out-of-pocket drug costs for seniors at $2,000 a year. joe biden's lowering costs for millions of americans. and he's paying for it by making the biggest corporations in america finally pay their fair share in taxes. no billionaire should be paying a lower tax rate than a schoolteacher or firefighter. here's my message to all of you out there. your president has your back. i'm joe biden and i approve this message. half past the hour. live look at the white house as the sun has yet to come up over washington, d.c. the biden administration plans to hit back after donald trump over the weekend again threatened to repeal obamacare. on social media on saturday, the 2024 republican frontrunner wrote he is, quote, seriously looking at alternatives to the affordable care act if he wins next year's presidential election. >> see, he thinks it just passed last week. he's stuck. he thinks it's, you know -- >> he's looking at it as well as his four indictments and $250 million civil suit. i got it, he's got the time for that. of course, trump vowed to gut obamacare before he was even elected the first time. once he entered the oval office, he failed to followthrough and never presented an alternative health care plan. regardless, the biden administration says it plans to seize on this latest threat in television ads and elsewhere. no tactic is out of the question, a campaign adviser tells nbc news. adding that they'll present trump's plan as part of a, quote, deeply historically unpopular agenda on which republicans are running. and republicans have never had an alternative to obamacare. never, never, never, never, never. >> it's pretty remarkable. i mean, the debate was in 2009. they passed it in 2010. >> everyone is benefitting from it, including republicans. >> for a decade, they talked about repealing and replace. they've never once -- think about this. if you want to talk about a party that is intellectually bankrupt, they've never had an alternative to the affordable care act. >> here we go again. >> never had an alternative. never one put out there that the party got behind. that's just the opposite when, in the 1990s, there was a debate about the clintons and health care. hillary clinton was a champion of universal health care. republicans came out and had about five, six different plans that they were debating. democrats had their own alternatives. there was actually a real debate. you know, jonathan lemire, one of the bigger problems right now for donald trump is, again, you know, you've got to -- it's like a boxer past his prime. he thinks he is running against barack obama. he thinks that we may enter world war ii soon. i can't figure out whether he is in 2011 or 1941, the summer of '41. but he's now talking about repealing the affordable care act again. i think, yeah, his aides need to explain to him, we're in 2023, about to get into 2024. the kaiser foundation took the most recent poll i've seen, showing something like 55%, 56% of americans support the affordable care act. those who oppose it are in the low 40s. this has become an extremely popular law on the books and, once again, donald trump going back in time with his wayback machine, picking the wrong side on yet another issue. >> yeah. let's remember, trump did try to repeal obamacare in 2017 when the republicans controlled the house and the senate. it was the effort that was defeated by john mccain and others. mccain's famous thumbs down on the senate floor defeated that effort. the trump white house never really revisited it. but even then, while they were trying to take away obamacare, they never had a replacement plan. when is it coming? in two weeks, in two weeks, in two weeks. that was the birth of the meme, for trump, everything would be in two weeks from now. two weeks would be this health care plan. we're now six years later, and he still hasn't come up with an alternative. to your point, the politics of this have changed, and this is trump living in the past or living in an echo chamber. the hyperright, whether it is on portions of fox news or other really conservative commentators who still want to destroy obamacare just because the word "obama" is in it, and they think that's the political winner for their base. most voters want to keep obamacare, at least portions of it, because it's helped their lives. this is an issue that the biden white house have seized upon. the biden campaign organized a number of calls. we'll hear from nancy pelosi later today on this issue as a biden campaign surrogate. joe, they feel this is another issue, along with abortion and trump's dangerous rhetoric and his threat to democracy, where they can paint trump and the republicans as extreme and out of step. >> well, and, willie, just looking right now at a history of the affordable care act, and, again, donald trump, because he is usually about a decade behind when he gets on the stage and it's late, he gets confused. >> it's actually true. >> obama, about obama, he starts stammering around, talking about starting world war ii, starts talking about erdogan running turkey or -- actually, erdogan does run turkey. talking about orban running turkey. >> hezbollah is smart. there's all kinds of stuff, yeah. >> oh, my gosh. >> hezbollah is smart. president xi, brilliant. kim jong-un, love letters. it's all very confusing for donald trump. he's sort of in this, i don't know, actually, why he is socon fu so confused about everything. you look at the history and see over the past 12 years or so, the approval ratings for the affordable care act have gone up from 48% in 2010 to 62% in 2023. this is, again, a very popular law. >> it is very popular, and as john eluded to, republicans owned washington from january of 2017 to january of 2019. if they actually meant they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, they had plenty of time to do it. it also raises the question, joe, of why he keeps leaning into these issues that are harmful to him and his chances to become president of the united states. we can talk about obamacare, the affordable care act, how popular it is, him saying again and again, i am the man, singlehandedly, who got rid of roe versus wade. the issue of abortion option not a good one for him if he seeks re-election. also leaning into the fact that he tried to overturn the government in 2020. talking about how he is going to free the january 6th rioters, that he still believes he won. that was not popular during the midterms last year. it was not popular again this fall. so he keeps going to places that, as john said, joe biden and the campaign is very happy for him to go. let's bring into the conversation our good friend, msnbc contributor mike barnicle, and special correspondent of "vanity fair," host of the "fast politics podcast," molly jong-fast. we'll get to your piece and how this fits in, whether it's abortion, obamacare, or january 6th, these issues that joe biden is very happy to have raised by his likely opponent, donald trump, in the 2024 campaign. >> yeah. i mean, so my thesis is basically that -- and we can go back to 2016 and talk about that. we spent so much time covering the stakes of a hillary clinton presidency, right? 90%, 78%, you know, 99%, trump has no path, right? we didn't spend enough time covering the -- we covered the odds of this hillary clinton presidency. we didn't spend enough time covering the stakes of a donald trump presidency. i think that that's what polls do. they shift the narrative in a way that's not necessarily so helpful. they drive a lot of news cycles. we've seen that they're -- and i'm not even talking about the accuracy of polls, i'm talking about them more as sort of the wrong engine for a lot of reporting. >> i mean, it is a complete obsession, and we around the table at "morning joe," into the summer and fall of 2016, would say that donald trump still had an outside chance of winning. the hatred and the anger even when we were being critical and saying we didn't want him to win, i mean, the obsessions on the polls and these meters, like 98.4%. >> he pushed it. >> and 99%, those needles, the ones that went to auburn having a 99.9% chance of beating alabama. >> wait a minute. >> okay, wow. >> roll tide. >> bring it home. >> brought it right in there. >> wow. >> it's great. had to do it. fourth and 31. >> yeah. >> eight guys in coverage. >> you had that obsession. then i remember, mike barnicle, as we got down the homestretch of the polls, and i remember seeing a poll that showed joe biden ahead by 13 points in wisconsin, and i just tweeted out at that moment, "i don't believe any of the polls." sure enough, they really were these -- a lot of these state polls especially in the upper midwest, way off. then you have this insanity which gets to the point of molly's piece. on election night several weeks ago, we had real american voters going to real voting booths, and we were going to have all the real data from a real election for networks to go over. another network whom we won't name decided that on that night, they were going to drop a poll at 7:00 p.m., when the voting booths closed. they could have actually reported on real numbers. what did the poll show? joe biden, it's terrible. it's the end. by the way, all of these polls that are like, you read the headline and it goes, "the worst news ever for joe biden," and i'm thinking, oh, my god, he was riding his bike in delaware and a comet dropped on him, crushing him to death. then i open up the -- >> joe! >> -- link and look at it, and they show me three polls where the president of the united states is within the margin of error of a crazy, dangerous man, who has -- isn't even really in the front of people's minds right now. mike, i just sit there and think, wait a second, this network had real human beings to talk about, but, instead of dealing with voters, they wanted to talk about a poll that would push their narrative about how bad joe biden was doing. when, in fact, voters in virginia to ohio to kentucky overwhelmingly confirmed just how well the democrats were doing swimming against the tide. >> well, you know, the interesting thing about polls right now, and it's the only interesting thing, is that it's like taking a picture of a sunset, each poll. there's going to be another sunset tomorrow. things change. nobody is paying attention really, other than people like us to a future election a year away. the interesting aspect of the election, i would submit, is that we have one political party, the republican party, seriously interested, seemingly from top to bottom, in marching this country backward. >> yeah. >> their principal interest is in taking things away from people, things that people have grown used to living with. like obamacare. >> mike, that includes -- mike, they've already taken away a constitutional right. >> 50 years. >> that women had for 50 years. now, they want to take away health care guarantees that americans have had for a dozen years. >> correct. later this week, we're going to have a reconvening of the house committee on weaponization of government. what that will mean is they'll go through a list of things again that people have gotten used to living with, that people like. ben it fefits that people like. they'll be looking to cut back on the benefits, reduce those benefits, sometimes eliminate those benefits. it is the only time in our history when we've had a major political party, now it is a crazy political party, the republican party, seriously interested, again, in marching this country backward. >> molly, as you point out in your piece, we don't have to go back very far to show that the panic about polls was unwarranted. go back a couple weeks to some of these special elections we saw, gubernatorial elections, or go back a year ago to the midterms where there was talk on the night, on election night, about a coming red wave. obviously, that didn't happen because of the issue of abortion and democracy, two things that again will be on the ballot next year. >> and both those things polled fairly poorly. >> right. >> you'll remember right before that election, people were saying, what is biden doing talking about democracy? people aren't interested in that. barnicle has a good point, polls are shadows, not substance. this is the bornstein idea from the '60s. these are pseudo events. they're not organic events, so you should treat them as another data point. i mean, i'm not saying to ignore all polls. i'm just saying that they shouldn't drive coverage the way they often do. >> richard, what's your sense of how foreign policy might play a year from now? obviously, the war in israel is top of mind, particularly for a lot of young voters who say they don't like necessarily the way that joe biden is handling this, handling the relationship with israel. obviously, ukraine is still there. you know, they usually say that foreign policy isn't deciding a domestic election, but what is your sense of where it'll play this year? >> there is an enormous gap, the impact the election will have on foreign policy. consequences of this election, if it is president biden versus president trump, would be enormous. they're on different 40 yard lines. joe biden is on a 40 yard line, but donald trump is in the end zone. right now, it probably hurts the president a little bit. his focus on foreign policy, i worked for 41 when he was president, americans often don't like a president being focused on foreign policy, even if he is successful. that's what happened to george herbert walker bush. i think also there's problems in the democratic base. one of the reasons the white house would love to see things calm in the middle east is the president can say, i helped calm them, then he can be seen putting all his energies on the home front. >> it'd be good for the president, obviously, eventually, willie, to have events calmed in the middle east. a peace deal done eventually between russia and ukraine. we're getting reports from "the new york times" that mothers are beginning to protest against the longer deployments, the rising deaths of russian soldiers, of their sons, of their husbands. that would be good news. the problem with foreign policy, it seems often, is that if you're doing it right, you can have as a politician, as a president, the common complaint that the cia has, which is, we never get praise for the bombs that don't go off. nobody reports about that. those that do, obviously, have a massive impact. well, afghanistan is a great example. something goes wrong, a president will pay for that. if all of these things that joe biden is doing right now were going right, well, that's usually discounted by voters. make no mistake of it, if he weren't working around the clock stopping a regional war from beginning in the middle east, stopping a world war from expanding and bringing in iran and china and all of those who consider us enemies, it would have a major, significant impact on the economy, on the american people, and, yes, on the election next year. >> it remains to be seen if a young voter will stay away from the polls or will change his or her vote going into the polls 11 months from now, paced on foreign policy. >> right. >> we will see. molly's piece online for "vanity fair" titled, "let's stop treating polls as actual news events." amen. molly jong-fast, thank you so much. richard haass, thank you, as well. good to see ya. ahead, new images of the 4-year-old american-israeli, abigail idan, about her release from hamas. we'll speak with her great aunt and cousin about her ordeal in captivity, as the israel and hamas troop enters its fifth day. plus, chris christie joins the conversation to talk about his recent trip to israel. "morning joe" is coming right back. the subway series? it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. fifteen? titan turkey. number one? the philly. oh, yeah, you probably don't want that one. look, i'm not in charge of naming the subs. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ (♪ music ♪) for your free decision guide. (♪ ♪) the walking tree is said to change its entire location in pursuit of sunlight (♪ ♪) where could reinvention take your business? accenture. let there be change. when you walk up to the counter at the pharmacy and you have a new prescription, you don't know what it's going to cost. that's why i always recommend you check the singlecare app before you go to the counter. i found the cheaper price with singlecare! yes, you did. see. give it a try. go to singecare.com or download the free app today. what causes a curve down there? can it be treated? stop typing, and start talking. it could be a medical condition called peyronie's disease, or pd. and it could be treated without surgery. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a treatment plan with you. visit makeapdplan.com today. 53 past the hour. former president jimmy carter is expected to attend a tribute service today for his late wife, rosalynn carter, at glen memorial church in georgia. he will be joined by president joe biden and the first lady, as well as vice president kamala harris and the second gentleman. former president bill clinton, former secretary of state hillary clinton, and all of the surviving former first ladies. former first lady rosalynn carter died at her home in plains, georgia, last week. her casket arrived at the carter presidential center in atlanta to lie in repose yesterday, and her funeral will be held tomorrow at the baptist church in plains, georgia, where the carters worshipped. msnbc will have live coverage of the tribute today. on capitol hill, republican congressman george santos may soon be kicked out of congress. house speaker mike johnson weighed in ahead of a potential expulsion vote this week. >> i've spoken to congressman santos at some length over the holiday and talked with him abou his options. we'll ve to see. it's not yet determined, but we'll be talki about that when we get back tomorrow. >> santos responded to johnson's comments, posting on social media that the talks were positive and he would stand for his expulsion vote, instead of resigning. santos has maintained he did nothing wrong. coming up, we'll check back in with nbc's richard engel for the very latest from tel-aviv, as the extension of a pause in fighting between israel and hamas signals the potential release of more hostages today. we'll also speak to the british ambassador to the united states, karen pierce, about diplomatic efforts to address the war. and ahead in our fourth hour, actor kevin bacon will join us live in studio. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ kick off the sunday shoes ♪ shoes ♪ sh ore confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us hi, my name is damion clark. if you have both medicare and medicaid, i have some really encouraging news that you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. all of these plans include a healthy options allowance, a monthly allowance to help pay for eligible groceries, utilities, rent, and over-the-counter items. the healthy options allowance is loaded onto a prepaid card each month. and whatever you don't spend, carries over from each month. other benefits on these plans include free rides to and from your medical appointments. and our large networks of doctors, hospitals and pharmacies. so, call the number on your screen now and ask about a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. humana. a more human way to healthcare. ♪♪ we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. ♪♪ we're not a startup, but our innovation labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. ♪♪ we're not architects, but we help build stronger communities. ♪♪ we're not just any bank. we are citi. ♪♪ what happened? well, when you opened up the chewy box, you went a bit... ...bonkers. that's one word for it. i guess i blacked out. this is the best squeaky toy ever. probably shouldn't. but we did get you a few more gifts. honey. ooh, there's more. chewy's prices were so great. you don't need to explain yourself, linda. keep on saving. pet's aren't just pets. they're more. well, i hope i got a leaf blower this year. you got a turtleneck. unwrap the excitement this cyber monday with deals up to 50% off at chewy. willie, there is -- and every time you see the comcast commerce street, well, you hear a cha-ching. >> what is that? >> i think america's gdp goes up, like, 0.1%. >> is that a cord? >> they have to hold it up. they have to hold it up. but tomorrow night, tomorrow night is the big event. they have the celebration. at the end, gold coins, slot coins -- >> chocolate ones. >> -- from caesars in vegas rain down, and i think atlantic city. >> i like the chocolate coins. >> yeah, none of those. it's all about cold, hard cash, willie. >> every time you go to the nbc store and buy a "sunday today" mug, an angel gets her wings, joe. it is a story as old as times. >> amen. >> i love those mugs. >> very exciting. >> one of my favorite lines, actually, out of "it's a wonderful life." hey, daddy. anyway, welcome back to "morning joe." tuesday, november 28th. we have birthday boy, jonathan lemire with us, and mike barnicle. jonathan, how old are you today? >> i am 44 years old today. >> wow. >> my god. >> baby face. >> old enough to be on "morning joe." >> thank you, guys. >> happy birthday. >> as alex pointed out, he is, like, 15 years older than last year. since he started the show. >> yeah. >> too early for that. >> dog years is what's happening here. >> give him a minute. >> doing 32 hours a week before 6:00 a.m., that can get to you. >> next year, you're 60. >> thanks, guys. >> look at us. look at us. >> you guys are great. >> you are so welcome. let's get to the news. israel a hamas have agreed to extend the pause in fighting for two more days. the temporary truce was supposed to expire today. now, with this extension, hamas is expected to release ten more hostages each day. israel will likely free more palestinian prisoners, as well. since the truce began on friday, hamas released 69 hostages. that includes the 11 women and children who were brought back into israeli territory yesterday. nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel has the very latest. >> reporter: well, it was expected that today, the israeli bombing campaign against gaza to dislodge hamas would be starting, but in the last hours before this four-day truce was set to expire, hamas and israel agreed to a two-day extension. that was negotiated by qatar and egypt. that means today, usually in the evening because that's when these hostage releases and prisoner releases have been taking place, we're going to see another one. potentially ten more hostages released in the evening time, usually 8:00, 9:00 local time, in exchange for 30 palestinian prisoners. that's been the ratio. three palestinian prisoners for every one hostage. and it is anticipated that we're going to see the same thing again tomorrow. ten more, at least, hostages released for 30 palestinian prisoners. after that, it is an open question for several reasons. because there is no extension, israel says as soon as hamas stops releasing hostages, then its military campaign will continue. now, qatar, which has been a leading negotiator here and which hosts hamas' political office in doha, is saying that hamas is running out of women and children. hamas is not the only group inside of gaza that is holding hostages. when the october 7th attack happened, hamas blew through the perimeter fence surrounding the gaza strip and other militant groups crossed into israel. some of them took hostages. some of them looted the nearby kibbutzes and took anything they thought could be traded. the bombing campaign could resume against hamas, even though it is not exactly hamas' fault because they're not releasing the women and children since they're being held by other groups. but hamas certainly does have more hostages, and many of them are what hamas would consider soldiers. hamas, so far, is keeping them in a separate category, does not want them to be released at this stage. it wants a much higher price. it wants israeli troops to leave gaza. it wants more valuable security prisoners to be released from israeli jails. we think we understand what's going to happen for the next two days with more hostage releases. after that, it is very much an open question. >> all right. richard engel reporting for us from tel-aviv. meanwhile, secretary of state antony blinken will resume his intensive diplomatic efforts in the middle east this week. traveling to israel, the west bank, and dubai after a stop at nato headquarters in belgium today and tomorrow. the nato meetings are focused on the war in ukraine, while his return to the middle east is geared toward managing the israel-hamas war. a state department official tells nbc news the secretary will stress the need for continued aid in gaza, the release of hostages, and improvement of protections for civilians. willie. >> let's bring into the conversation here in new york british ambassador to the united states, karen pierce. ambassador, good to see you. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> we talked a lot the last month or so about the balancing act president biden is taking here. public support of israel, condemnation of the depravity of hamas terrorists, and also privately pushing prime minister netanyahu about the way he is carrying out his war aims. is that about the way the british government is looking at this, as well? prime minister sunak, foreign minister now david cameron, back in the government, is that the same approach you all have taken? >> very much. we are very much aligned on this. the foreign secretary will no doubt see secretary blinken at nato today. they sit next to each other. but we, too, have made very clear, israel has the right to self-defense. it was an appalling terrorist attack on the 7th of october, but that self-defense has to be carried out in accordance with international law. >> you've used the phrase "no escalation," the british government has. what does that mean when you talk to prime minister netanyahu? don't want to escalate to where? >> everyone was worried about what might happen in the north with hezbollah and what might happen on the west bank, as well as a wider regional escalation involving countries like iran. david cameron, sunak have been involved in regional diplomacy to try that calm things down on israel's borders and beyond. we also made clear to prime minister netanyahu we welcome these pauses. we want more humanitarian and life-saving aid to get in. we want to do more to alleviate the suffering of civilians. >> madame ambassador, let's turn to the war in ukraine. the fighting is largely frozen, it seems. russia maybe made incremental gains in recent weeks. what is your confidence on the commitment level of europe to continue to back kyiv, as it has come into some doubt here in the united states? there are loud republican voices standing in opposition in congress to sending more u.s. aid to ukraine. >> well, i wouldn't necessarily buy the proposition that russia is making gains. i think ukrainians are fighting very hard. they've had some important wins. they haven't had the massive breakthrough they wanted, but they're hanging in there. they're doing well. i think nato's commitment will be there. i think it will be -- you'll see coming out of the nato meeting today a lot of solidarity for ukraine, more pledges to help ukraine as long as it takes, more pledges of important aid, defense equipment that can help ukraine. i think here in washington, there are some republicans and some others who would like less u.s. aid to go to ukraine. but my talking to people on the hill, to people like yourselves, jonathan, is that there's an awful lot of support on congress for more aid to ukraine. that includes republicans. >> ambassador pierce, could you speak to the problem, the difficulty, perhaps conundrum would be a better way to describe it, in going forward in the negotiations over gaza, when you would be dealing with a group governing gaza -- and i put governing in quotation marks, hamas. hamas is sworn to two things, killing jews and eliminating the state of israel. how do you go forward with a group like that? >> well, i think you put your finger on an absolutely critical point. i think the u.s., the uk, and other partners, we've been very clear, that the way going forward can't be for hamas still to run gaza. there is an interesting question as to whether people like the palestinian authority, the u.n., can find a way forward on that. but it is also the case, as secretary blinken said, that we can't have the israelis reoccupy gaza. that is a genuine conundrum for international diplomacy, and there are intense efforts with regional partners, with qatar, egypt, jordan, saudi, and between western partners to try to work out a viable way forward that will bring, eventually, peace and stability to gaza and the west bank. and the ideal solution, as you know, what we're aiming for is a two-state solution with both israel and palestine living side by side in security and safety. but your immediate point about hamas and its war aims is a very good one. it is one of the main reasons why israel needs to reestablish deterrence, but that self-defense, of course, as we were saying, can't eclipse international law. >> ambassador, how would you see that scenario playing out, a two-state solution? let's say, for example, that israel does achieve its military objective, as it has stated, to root out hamas, to kill the leadership, drive hamas out of gaza. i guess the question would be, what comes next? is there a different group maybe not named hamas but shares some of the same goals, that feels the same way about israel? how do you get toward, at least closer anyway, to a two-state solution? >> i think it's one of those questions where we know the end goal, a two-state solution. the important diplomatic task to chart the way from here to there. that's what all the intensive efforts are looking at. that's what we'll be talking to the american and regional governments about. i don't want to say it'll be step a over step b. there's a lot of things that need to fall into place, but i think everyone is clear, hamas cannot continue to run gaza, but the israelis cannot reoccupy gaza. we have to find a way through all of that. >> british ambassador to the united states, karen pierce. thanks for stopping through this morning. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> mika. in vermont, the suspect accused of shooting three college students of palestinian descent appeared in court yesterday, as police investigate whether it was a hate crime. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has the details. >> reporter: 48-year-old jason eaton pleaded not guilty to attempted murder. accused of shooting three u.s. college students, all palestinians. in burlington, vermont, visiting family for thanksgiving. >> it'svoked attack, a tragic violation of the character of this welcoming, inclusive community. >> reporter: the family says ahmed, awartani, and abdalhamid were out for a walk, chatting in arabic. two were wearing traditional arab scarves. according to the affidavit, abdalhamid said a man with a hoodie pulled out a piston and started firing without saying a word. all three were shot. >> they're all stable. hisham, the prognosis is it is very likely he won't be able to walk again. >> reporter: hisham's parents spoke with erin mclaughlin in their home in ramallah. >> it was a vicious crime, and it will change my son's life. >> forever. >> forever. there is no reason that he should have been targeted in this way, because it was a targeted crime, without a doubt. >> reporter: authorities have not charged eaton with a hate crime, but police say they are still investigating. >> i do want to be clear, that there is no question this was a hateful act. >> reporter: it comes during a nationwide spike in islamophobic and anti-semitic incidents. >> we've seen a sharp increase in the volume and frequency of threats against jewish, muslim, and arab communities across our country. >> reporter: the war overseas fueling protests and hate nationwide. >> we need to preach that all hate against jews, against muslims, anti-semitism, islamophobia, these are ills in our country and undermine our democratic values. >> reporter: do you think that's a message we're hearing from leaders in this country? >> there is some lip service paid to this, but it is not backed by sincere efforts. >> reporter: a palestinian-american is the dean of international affairs at princeton. she went to the same high school in the west bank as the three young men. >> these students are me 30 years ago. our dream was to come to the united states to get an education so that we could live a life of dignity and freedom. >> reporter: hisham's father wanted him to stay in the u.s. for the holidays because he thought it'd be safer than ramallah. >> who would think such a thing would happen in one of the most liberal, diverse places in the world? >> reporter: he hopes his son will be able to walk again. >> we believe in our kid's strength, and we are certain that he is going to stand up on his feet again. >> nbc's stephanie gosk reporting there. let's bring in nbc news investigations correspondent tom winter. tom, good morning. you've been looking into this case. i guess the question to you is, you have two -- a group of three men, all shot, two wearing traditional palestinian scarves, speaking in arabic according to the police. is there any other theory about the one that seems evident to a lot of people? >> not at all. a lot of people are looking at this. look, it'd be a tragedy if it were three 20-year-old men walking down the street and shot. but you have them wearing keffiyehs, walking down the street, and speaking in arabic. there appears to be no other motive but for that fact. that's not good enough for law enforcement. law enforcement says, right, but we still don't have the motive. now, perhaps, according to the court documents made available yesterday we've obtained, perhaps in the backpack full of hard drives, the five cell phones, the ipad that investigators say they seized from the house, perhaps the answer is in there. perhaps there's a writing, a discussion. remember, he answered the door to an atf agent and said, effectively, "i've been waiting for you guys." immediately asked for a lawyer and did not continue to talk. sometimes, individuals that do that want to make a statement if, in fact, they were acting out on behalf of hate. they typically will make a statement at that point. that is not absolute either. unfortunately, it is possible that this might take some time. it is possible that,in the end, from a law enforcement perspective, they may not get there in determining the motive. >> is it fair to say police have the right guy, just not the motive yet? >> 100%. there was a specific type of ammunition found at the scene, and the same exact ammunition, that it was red tipped, made from the same manufacturer, was found with a .38 revolver, the same caliber weapon found in his drawer in his room. they found the same ammunition there. they're looking at those two things. now, they'll go through and do the ballistics and see each gun hasfingerprint, where it is fired. they can look at that and make a positive identification from there. between his statements and the ballistics they found so far, i should say the evidence, they'll have to do the ballistics. i think they feel they have the absolute right person. on top of this, this is harrowing. kinnan abdalhamid, he provided a sketch of the house from where the individual came from and detailed the scene and didn't even realize he had been shot until he begged a neighbor to call 911 because of what happened. incredible detail in the court documents yesterday. a very frightening experience for these three. >> the suspect, jason eaton, 48 years of age, five cell phones, a ton of ammunition in the apartment. how long are the forensics going to take before we find out why the five cell phones, what's in the five cell phones, and why all the ammunition? >> assuming they're in good condition, they'll use a software tool, download all the information from the phones, even information that's deleted is typically recovered. they'll be able to categorize that and go through it all and search for terms. it'll take some time depending upon how much information is on the devices. we don't know how full the hard drives are, how big they are. not only that, the weapon which was purchaspurchased, allegedlyn the shooting purchased in april of this year, they found three additional shotguns and rifles in the residence. they'll take a look at that, as well. they'll go through all of that to determine what matches they can make. >> do we know how long he had been living in the apartment? >> we don't know that from the court documents. some of the public records are unclear. his previous contacts with vermont law enforcement include a handful of traffic and parking tickets going back to 1998. >> tom, can you speak to the pressure that police departments feel in moments like this? which is, the public says, we know what our eyes are telling us. >> sure. >> they're saying, our job is not to speculate but to find evidence to support that, even if we believe it privately. >> the chief touched on that on sunday. you know, said, look, we all know what this looks like. we all know what is going on in the middle east, around the world. we all know the threats that are being made to individuals because of what's going on in israel and in gaza. so, yeah, it's not in a vacuum. on the other hand, they have to bring proof to a case in court. the last thing they want is to bring charges against an individual and lose a case because they didn't take the necessary steps to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they have a motive, that they have the information, that they have -- they don't necessarily need a motive to convict here. obviously, you know, given the sensitivities with the community and the idea over their heads that they could bring federal hate crime charges if they do find that motive, i think that's something that is driving them to try to figure that out. >> the investigation continues this morning. again, three buddies who grew up today, home from college on thanksgiving, shot on the street in burlington, vermont. investigations correspondent tom winter. thanks so much. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll be joined by two family members of the 4-year-old american girl who was held hostage by hamas terrorists for 50 days. also ahead, foreigner u.s. attorney joyce vance will be our guest. she'll explain why the push for a speedy trial in the georgia election interference case by former trump lawyer john eastman is an effort to delay. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. our symptoms - with vraylar. some medicines only treat the lows or highs. vraylar treats depressive, acute manic, and mixed episodes of bipolar 1 in adults. proven, full-spectrum relief for all bipolar 1 symptoms. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles or confusion which may mean a life-threatening reaction, or uncontrollable muscle movements which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. sleepiness and stomach issues are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. right now across the u.s., people are trying to ban books from public schools and public libraries. yes, libraries. we all have a first amendment right to read and learn different viewpoints. that's why every book belongs on the shelf. yet book banning in the u.s. is worse than i've ever seen. it's people in power who want to control everything. well, i say no to censorship. and i say yes to freedom of speech and expression. if you do too, please join us in supporting the american civil liberties union today. for over 100 years, the aclu has fought for your rights and mine. including the right to read all manner of books. so please call or go online to myaclu.org. for just $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. you can become a guardian of liberty and help protect all the rights promised to us by the u.s. constitution. make no mistake, this move to ban books is a coordinated attack on students right to learn. this is a clear violation of free speech. that's why the aclu is working to fight against censorship in all its forms. it is so important now more than ever. so please call or go to myaclu.org and become an aclu guardian of liberty, for just $19 a month. use your credit card and you'll get this special we the people t-shirt and more to show you're helping to protect the rights of all people. the aclu is in all 50 states, d.c. and puerto rico defending our first amendment right of free speech and all of your constitutional rights. because we the people, means all of us. so please, call or, go online to myaclu.org today. ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ jardiance ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance, ♪ ♪ at each day's staaart. ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to seee. ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c. ♪ jardiance works 24/7 in your body to flush out some sugar! and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. jardiance may cause serious side effects including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction, and don't take it if you're on dialysis. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. ♪ jardiance is really swell, ♪ ♪ the little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ the family of abigail edan, the young american-israeli girl who spent her fourth birthday held captive by hamas, is speaking publicly about getting her back after she was freed by the terrorist group on sunday as part of the cease-fire and hostage exchange agreement. little abigail's parents were killed in their home on october 7th. abigail was in her father's arms when a hamas gunman shot him, and he fell on top of her. abigail then crawled out from under her father's body and ran to a neighbor's house, where she and the neighbors were taken by hamas. abigail's two older siblings locked themselves inside a closet and hid for 14 hours. joining us now, abigail's great aunt, liz neftali, and abigail's cousin, noa. we thank you for being on with us. where to begin? i guess i understand, liz, that abigail was elated to see her siblings. there was some joy in that reunion. but how to move forward coping and helping these children cope with the trauma that they have endured? can you even get your arms around it? >> it's hard. i mean, as a mother of four children, the thought of a child being hostage for 50 days and coming out to a new life without her parents. i will say that abigail, when she was taken with a neighbor mother who she knew and her three children, all we hoped was that she was with him. she was. she was able to be hugged by this woman and be part of her family, and that is a blessing under all of this. how does abigail move forward? well, she has an amazing family. when her siblings showed up at the hospital and her cousins, it was beautiful. because it was what these children had waited for for 50 days, and they had abigail back. and the love and all of that brought abigail back. she just became abigail again for them. how do they go forward? i just say that they need to live. they will live with their aunt and uncle, with their three cousins, and my hope is that they will go back to school, that people will give them the freedom, not be on top of them, and let them live a life which is going to be very hard and very challenging, but one that will be full of love from their grandparents and their community and their aunt and uncle. >> noa, how do you think she's doing? also, can you speak a little bit to what your family has been through throughout this entire ordeal? because there are still so many others who are still going through this, holding on to hope, and also in agony about what has happened to their families. >> yeah. i think it'll take a while to really understand how abigail is doing and the impact this has all had on her. we do know that she was very hungry when she came out. for us, there is certainly relief. i think that for 50 days, we continued to live in an ongoing terror attack. we are very aware that many families still are, that as a society and as a country, israel still is. you know, as long as there are people in hamas capticaptivity,n who shouldn't be there for another moment, grandparents, fathers, sons, daughters, it's -- our work is not done. >> liz, good morning. thank you so much for being with us and sharing this story. it's so important to hear it. we know that abigail actually was 3 when she was abducted and turned 4 on friday while she was being held by terrorists. do you have any sense from her yet -- i know it's early and you want to give her time and space -- about what these last, what, 50 or so days have been like for her while she was being held? >> well, as noa said, she came out and was hungry. the food -- there was not enough food. there wasn't proper food for a child. so what we know is that she was in the dark. they weren't in a place where they were able to run free, and they were hostages. so it's a combination of all of these terrible things, this opportunity now to live a life, but we're giving this family space. we're waiting for them to share. for abigail to share. for this other family to share. really, what we understand is that they were just in isolation. they were just together. abigail had a child who she went to nursery school with, but they were alone. and so i don't know even how to answer that. what i also think about is all these other hostages that are still there and all that he has -- these families waiting for their loved ones to come home. a 9 month old child in captivity. what i want people to understand, these are real people. abigail is a little girl. it could be anybody's little girl. and that the trauma and the tragedy that all of these people have been facing, we personally as a family are facing, and we pray and we hope for their return. we pray and hope for abigail to be able to live a life that will be, i don't like to say the word normal, but one she can grow up in and be a productive and happy person. >> you know, liz, right there, you put your finger, perhaps, on the real unknown in all of this. abigail is 4 years of age. she saw things and experienced things that she can't unsee or un-remember. her grandfather, when asked what he would do, what he would say to abigail when they were reunited, basically said he will just hug her. and said, "there's nothing to say." going forward, no one knows when this will reoccur in abigail's mind, the events that she's been through, but how do you as a family prepare for the unknown that is in abigail's future? >> i think as a family, we're very well supported, here in israel. we are fortunate that there are a lot of people who are helping abigail, who are helping abigail's family try and understand as we go, because there's not a lot of background on this, how to help this child process and move forward in the best way possible, considering the horrific circumstances. >> i'll just add to that, which is, you used the word "hug," and we keep talking about "hug." it is one of the things that president biden said when he spoke, which was, i would just like to give this little girl a hug. we are waiting to go to israel shortly to give abigail a hug. and i think that that hug represents what so many people around the world, with this outpouring of support for abigail and for the family and all the hostage families, is we just want to embrace these people and show them the love and give them the affection and the warmth that they have not had for, some of these families now, for 52 days, and abigail for 50 days. they are coming back after having, like you said, witnessed atrocious things, losing family members, then being hostage, and so as they come forward, as noa said, they all are going to need lots of care. there's lots of therapy programs that are cropping up throughout israel to give them that love. but it starts with the family. we are blessed to have a family that is just beautiful and that is going to make sure that abigail and her sister and her brother are embraced throughout their lives. >> liz, obviously, it's wonderful news that abigail is back, but there are still many dozens of hostages still being held there in gaza. some americans, it's unclear how many, dozens more israelis. what would your message be to those families who are still waiting, who are still wondering, who are still worrying about the fate of their own loved ones? >> well, first, i will say that we are blessed that abigail is home. but we are going to continue to do everything we can to make sure that all those hostages are home. we have developed relationships. we know so many stories from all these other families, and they are part of our new family. it wasn't a family before october 7th that we knew, but now we are all in this together. and i will say that one of the things that i know president biden has spoken about and so many leaders across the world and in our government have said is that everybody is committed to bringing these hostages home. these are civilians. these are people that were kidnapped on october 7th. it is all of our -- everybody who is watching, it is all of our jobs to keep telling these stories and making sure that all of these hostages, all of these innocent people, they are real lives, they come home. they're not numbers. they're not just faces. these are people that are part of all of us. >> abigail's great aunt liz hirsh neftali and abigail's cousin, noa neftali, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you for having me. coming up, ex-donald trump attorney john eastman is splitting from the former president in the georgia election case. why he's now asking a judge to speed things up, and what his request could be mean for the case. plus, a warning from a group of conservative lawyers, that the possibility of a second donald trump term could pose a constitutional crisis. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. 38 past the hour. john eastman, a former trump layer and key player in the fake elector plot is looking to speed up his trial in the georgia election interference case. eastman's legal team also requested breaking the remaining defendants into twogrou, without including the fmer president in either one. the filing argued the deadline should be moved upso, quote, defendants who do not have lifetime united states secret service protection and who are not running for election to an office can exercise and have their right to a jury trial, co completed within 2024. the district attorney's office wants to keep all defendants together and requested an august 5th start day. trump's lawyers requested a hearing to oppose that plan. former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance is calling eastman's request to speed up the trial a thinly veiled effort to slow it down. in a new piece on "substack," she writes in part, quote, although he doesn't come out and say it, what he is asking for is two separate trials for all remaining defendants but not including trump. presumably, trump's trial would happen alone at some later date, much later, after the election later. she continues, "his motion is a transparent effort to delay trump's trial and give his lawyers a preview of the district attorney's evidence." it's hard to read this as anything other than a weak effort by eastman to advance trump's agenda. joyce joins us now. joyce, there's always an effort to delay on the trump side. i couldn't agree with you more. is there any way this plan could actually play against the former president, maybe a lot of flippers? >> right. i think that's where fani willis is driving right now. she's trying to convince everyone who is willing to cooperate that now is the moment, before this deadline comes up next year and plea deals are off the table. but eastman tries to morph that into something else, demanding these two separate trials. there's no basis for separating the remaining defendants, at least the ones who don't flip, and really pushing trump beyond the possibility of being tried in advance of the election. >> so remind me, i might be wrong here, but all these cases have different, you know, consequences depending on delays. in this case, if the trial continues, let's say he's well into the election, let's say on the off chance he wins the election, can they continue and can he -- is this the one that is pardon proof? >> this is the case we've thought of as pardon proof, mika, because it's a state case. trump, if he is re-elected, wouldn't be able to direct the justice department to drop the case. >> right. >> in georgia, it's a little bit different than most states, where the governor can issue a pardon. in georgia, it's a bipartisan commission that would have to vote to issue a pardon to someone who is convicted in the state. in other words, for trump to receive a pardon in georgia, the process would have to be seriously off the rails. >> joyce, let's broaden this slightly in terms of timing. i mean, these trump criminal cases are, of course, set against the backdrop of a presidential campaign. his team made it no secret, they're trying to delay this as much as possible. give us your overall take, not just on georgia, but the other cases, as to when you think they'll actually come to trial. >> right. so i think this is obviously the question, and you're right, jonathan, to think about this in terms of all the cases. what trump's lawyers are hoping for is a cascading series of delays. in other words, if the march trial scheduled in washington, d.c., in the special counsel's case, is delayed because of appeals on some of trump's motions, the motion, for instance, to dismiss the case because of the supremacy clause, then the hope is that that might push back other cases. say the manhattan d.a.'s case that is scheduled for late march. they're hoping that what that'll do is have a domino effect that pushes all of the cases back past the election for one reason or another, whether it's appeals, whether it's judge cannon's unwillingness to resolve issues, or if it is a crazy hail mary that john eastman is floating, splitting the case into two tranches and not even thinking about trying the former president until 2025. that's the total picture. >> fascinating. former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance, i suspect we'll be hearing more from you on this. thanks so much. let's bring in retired judge jay michael ludig. he serves on the board of the newly formed society for the rule of law institute. good morning. i want to get into your piece explaining the need for this new organization in an opinion piece for "new york times" that you co-wrote with fellow george members george conway and former congressman barbara comstock. the title is "the trump threat is growing. lawyers must rise to meet this moment." youwre, quote, should mr. trump return to the white house, he'll arrive with a coterie of lawyers and advisors who, like him, are determined not to be thwarted again. e federalist society, long the standard bearer for the conservative legal movement, has faed to respond in this period ofcrisis. you continue, more alarming is the growing crowd of grifters, frauds, and con men wli to subvert the constitution and long-established constitutional principles for the whims of political expediency. the actions of these conservative republican lawyers are increasingly becoming the new normal. for a group of lawyers sworn to uphold the constitution ts is an indictment of the nation's legal profession. any legal movement that could foment such a constitutional abdication and attract lawyers willing to advocate its unlawful causes is right for a major reckoning. we must rebuild a conservative legal movement that supports and defends american democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law, and incentivizes and promotes those lawyers prepared to do the same. so there was a time not long ago, judge ludig, where everything you wrote would seem so obvious, you wouldn't have to write it in "the new york times" or form an organization to proclaim these things, but here we are. this gets to one of the major concerns about another trump administration, which is that the guardrails would be gone. the people who understand how washington works and, in fact, respect the constitution at a very baseline level would not be around, and it would look more like the crew that was around donald trump after the election in 2020, leading up to january 6th. what are your specific concerns here? >> thank you for having me on with you this morning. for reasons that we all know, reasons that are entirely related to the former president's effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election and his conduct and behavior in the three years since then, the causes of our times are america's democracy and the rule of law. as we say in our essay in "the new york times," these are righteous causes, to be sure. for years now, our democracy and the rule of law have been under malicious attack. frankly, by the former president and his republican allies. today, as a consequence, american democracy and the rule of law are in peril. it'd be fair to say, i think, that today these foundational pillars of our society are faltering under the weight of these malignant attacks. the legal profession, though, is uniquely positioned and obligated, obligated to defend our democracy and the rule of law. we in the legal profession take an oath to support and defend the constitution and the rule of law. we at the new society for the rule of law don't believe that the legal profession has acquitted itself well over the past years when our democracy and our rule of law have been under attack. as a result, we decided it's time for a new legal movement generally, but in particular, a new conservative legal movement, that will preserve, protect, and defend american's democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law in the years ahead. that's -- we believe that lawyers are obligated to take positions on the issues of our democracy and the rule of law, and, in particular, the constitutional and other legal excesses of the former president. that's what we intend to do. >> judge luttig, this is an admirable and necessary exercise you are performing here. but what do we do about, as general kelly, his former chief of staff raised this issue, what do we do about this? general kelly spoke out quite strongly and quite articulately in describing the danger to democracy that donald trump presents on a nearly hourly basis. and the thought of him going back into the oval office frightened general kelly, a man not frightened by a whole lot. what do we do about the fact that when he speaks, when you speak, seemingly, people just turn the page and move on? what do we do about making it stick? >> well, your question goes to the former president's, you know, escalation of his vicious and even violent attacks recently on his political opponents and on the institutions of law and democracy in our country. the intent, purpose, and effect of these attacks is to dehumanize the individuals and delegitimize our democratic and legal institutions in the eyes of the american people. all for the purposes of his primary campaign for the republican party nomination, and then his 2024 campaign for the presidency. this is all very conscience, very deliberate of the former president. his maga followers and a large swath of what is now very clearly his republican party admire him for this dehumanization and delegitimization. he knows what he is doing, and he is galvanizing his base through this violent rhetoric. this is what his supporters want to hear. of course, the president, former president, has largely been successful in dehumanizing his opponents and delegitimizing our institutions. and anyone who disagrees with him on anything, millions of americans no longer believe in american democracy, our we see, that the former president is viciously attacking both the federal and the state courts and even the individual judges who are presiding over his cases. what do we do about it? there's nothing we can do other than what we have been doing and are doing except we need, frankly, republicans to join the chorus that our very democracy in our rule of law in america is in peril, and it's in peril because of the conduct and violate political rhetoric of the former president, but today, most republicans have stood by him. >> you led me to my next question, judge luttig, and what you would say to those republicans who know better, who want to this country's finest law schools, and they know better. they know that their duty is to the constitution and not to a man, or even the new speaker of the house, mike johnson, constitutional lawyer who, he claims, the constitutional basis led the effort to overturn the 2020 election . privately, they would say they've got to do this if they want to stay in power, stay relevant, get reelected. what would be your message to republican leadership who got along for the ride here? >> i have appealed to them based on their oath of office to support and defend the constitution. to date, there is no evidence that that appeal has had any impact whatsoever. i would continue to do that, and then i believe that the political world should, should put pressure now on the republican party in particular and the republican officials that are in office at the moment to place party beneath the constitution and their oath . that is, put their oath and country ahead of the party affiliation. after those who were not in office today, i would appeal to them to their moral senses of duty and obligation to their country and ask them to think about and appreciate the campaign that the former president is now running on to become the next prez of the united states. >> reporter: the piece is titled, "the trumpet is growing. lawyers must rise to meet this moment." you can read it in the new york times opinion section. retired judge j. michael luttig, we appreciate it. the senate is discussing a possible path around senator tommy tuberville's blockade of hundreds of promotions for service members. this comes at the alabama republican, again, is criticizing the united states military. "morning joe" is coming right back. right back. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ ♪ i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well. ♪ ♪ jardiance ♪ ♪ it's a little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ ♪ i take once-daily jardiance, ♪ ♪ at each day's staaart. ♪ ♪ as time went on it was easy to seee. ♪ ♪ i'm lowering my a1c. ♪ jardiance works 24/7 in your body to flush out some sugar! and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. jardiance may cause serious side effects including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction, and don't take it if you're on dialysis. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. ♪ jardiance is really swell, ♪ ♪ the little pill with a big story to tell. ♪ in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. [speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business. we're travelling all across america, talking to people about their hearts. ooh, take this exit. how's the heart? i feel like it's good. you feel like it's good? how do you know when it's time to check in on your heart? how do you know? let me show you something. it looks like a credit card, but it is the kardiamobile card. that is a medical-grade ekg. want to see how it works? yeah. put both thumbs on there. that is your heart coming from the kardiamobile card. wow! with kardiamobile card, you can take a medical-grade ekg in just 30 seconds, from anywhere. kardiamobile card is proven to detect atrial fibrillation, one of the leading causes of stroke. and it's the only personal ekg that's fda-cleared to detect normal heart rhythm, bradycardia and tachycardia. how much do you think that costs? probably $500. $99. oh, really? you could carry that in your wallet. of course you could carry it in your wallet, right? yes, yes. kardiamobile card is just $79 during our holiday sale, that's a $20 savings. get kardiamobile card for yourself or a loved one today at kardia.com or amazon. the power goes out and we still have wifi get kardiamobile card for yourself or a loved one today to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. in respiratory illnesses in children. nbc news correspondent anne thompson reports. >> reporter: these scenes of packed hospital waiting rooms, raising alarm in china as it grappled with a spike in respiratory illnesses mostly in children. the world health organization is asking for more information. here, fluids are spreading across the u.s. to the cdc, reporting a nearly 4% increase in the flu-related doctor visits. the southeast hit especially hard, but not like last year's tripledemic get flu, covid, and rsp. doctors say rsp cases are on the rise. >> we've actually seen it. is probably some of the highest we have seen all season. >> reporter: dr. shane thinks cases have peaked at her hospital. they are increasing among children at g bmc health care in maryland, but a new preventive antibody is in short supply. how many doses did you get, and how many doses do you need? >> i need a whole lot more than what i've gotten. i have gotten -- received less than 15. >> reporter: dr. theresa nguyen said it's crucial expectant moms get the rsv vaccine made for them. i got pregnant mothers between 32 to 36 weeks can get the vaccine , and if there has been four weeks, they have made antibodies and pass it on to their infants at birth. >> reporter: the cdc says 77,000 additional doses will be made available, it's advising doctors to prioritize those who need it, including infants 6 months and younger or with underlying conditions. >> nbc's anne thompson reporting. coming up on "morning joe," following developments in the middle east where a temporary truce between israel and hamas appears to be holding . what it means for the potential release of more hostages today. "morning joe" is back in one minute. minute. americans are still being held hostage. >> we think the number is -- well, it's less than 10, probably in the neighborhood of, you know, about eight to nine, but we don't necessarily have firm, solid information on each and every one of them. >> national security council spokesman john kirby, with an update on the number of american hostages still being held by hamas following the release of a 4-year-old girl. this humanitarian pause in gaza remains in effect this morning. we'll have the latest on when more hostages could be freed. also ahead, an update on the college student of palestinian descent who were shot in burlington, vermont. we will hear from the mother of one of the victims. plus, as if a rematch of 2020 wasn't bad enough, donald trump is bringing back a top issue from his 2016 campaign. it is a pledge on which he never delivered. we'll explain what that is. >> and, i mean, it's unpopular too. he is once again going to promise something that's extremely unpopular with people, but we're talking about, you know, the local wall street journal and co-lead talking about israel and hamas extending the truce two date. new york times, doing the same, talking about how israel and hamas agreed to a pause and swap. mika, you said something that really struck a chord with me and i think a lot of people who were watching when you said, you know what? for people who want to make age an issue, you are right. it is an issue, and we're getting through this process of negotiating with some very difficult, very dangerous, in some cases very terrible people , and the process is still moving forward because joe biden knows all the players. >> this is the big stage, the world stage, and with everything at stake on two separate fronts, two wars, israel and ukraine, putting everything on the line for the rest of the world, for global security. one, with a man who is a straight a student in his 40s or 50s out there, or do i want someone with 40, 50 years' experience on the world stage? that includes decades of wins and losses politically and geopolitically, and i can't think of somebody else i'd want -- you name them. a better, at this point, more mature mind that can attack these problems and address them with all the different levels of emotion that need to come to the moment, and he does it. >> and there is a third door, and that is not just a guy with the 50 years of experience who is extraordinary in diplomacy or a 40 year old straight a student. i never knew any of those, and neither did mika. the third door they could choose what is a guy who is just like off his rocker, who try to overthrow the united states government, who said he's going to terminate the constitution of the united states. that is vice president and czar saying he wanted to execute, you know, the chairman and joint chiefs of staff, and is confused , does not know what decade he's in, thinks he's running against barack obama, and he thinks we just may soon stumble into world war ii. we won't even get into the leaders that he's confused by, like who is running turkey, who is running hungry, and it's all very, very confusing to him, i know. but these are the days, these are the days where, actually, experience is extraordinarily important, and after it being discounted by voters for far too long and look what we got -- >> everywhere. >> -- look at what we've gotten for the past 20 years. it's good to have somebody in the white house who knows what he is doing and knows all the players on the world stage . >> and protects some sense of calm, speaking with the israeli people and dealing with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. to your point, more hostages, expected to release today, now that hamas and israel have agreed to extend the temperatures. qatari officials weapon mediating the talks announced both sides have agreed to extend the pause in fighting for an additional two days. the original pause was set to expire today. president biden released a statement welcoming the new extension. he said he remains deeply engaged in the deal to ensure it continues to deliver resulted adding he will, quote, not stop until all hostages held by hamas terrorists are released, and mac quote. the israeli government has not officially commented on this new extension but had offered to continue to pause in fighting if hamas releases an additional hostages a day late last night, they have received the names of those expected to be freed today. the pause allows for more humanitarian aid to enter gaza. joining us live from tel aviv, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. rachel, this morning, tell us more about how this new path, new extension came into play, and what the deal looks like in these prisoner exchanges for hostages. >> reporter: so, we were expecting today, the israeli bombing campaign against hamas in gaza would resume. that is what israel said would happen. it's that as soon as this temporary pause was over, then its mission to eliminate hamas from the gaza strip would begin in earnest, but in the 11th hour, there were just a few hours remaining for this temporary truce, qatar and egypt announced that there had been an extension , and hamas also said there had been an extension under the same terms. which means that for every one hostage that is released, there will be three palestinian protesters prisoners released from israeli jails, so we will see 10, perhaps more than 10 released today by hamas, and then another 10 tomorrow. what happens after that is an open question. will israel resumed its bombing campaign, or will there be yet another extension? israel says if hamas stops handing over the hostages, it will immediately go back to its military campaign, but there is a note of caution that qatari and other arab advisers are sounding they are saying it is not just hamas that is holding hostages. there are dozens of other hostages being held by other militant groups in gaza, so they are appealing for more time . they are saying what has been established now, it should be built upon, that this should develop into a more sustainable truce to allow hamas, which is still the local government there, to try and get a better handle of the situation, understand where these hostages are. israel is concerned hamas is just playing for time and wants to keep pressure off, so we think we know what might happen for the next 48 hours with this deal extending, and that it's a completely open question what happens after that. >> richard, what do we know about the hostages that have been returned to israel? there were 3-year-old twins among the 11 yesterday. we're seeing young children, older people also released, and on the other side, what kind of prisoners are being sent back into gaza? what kind of criminals are they, and why were they being held in israel? >> reporter: so , so far from gaza, it's just been women and children, women and children that hamas said from the very beginning it was willing to exchange, either just give up or exchange for female and mine is israeli jails. these are relatively speaking, the easy hostages. it will be much more complicated, one, once we get into the idea of exchanging men or young women, which hamas considers soldiers, some actually soldiers, captured in uniform yet others are just military aged men and women who hamas considers soldiers because they could be drafted into the reserves or called up for duty at almost any time. that will be far more complicated because hamas will ask for more senior level militants, will ask for key players that are in israeli jails. it will ask for far greater numbers, and it could ask for all israeli troops to leave the gaza strip, for example. we don't know exactly what hamas will ask for, but the price will certainly be higher . in terms of the people israel has been releasing, generally, they have been very low level. these have been not people who are militant leaders by any, any stretch of the imagination. they were people held for quite minor offenses. some of them have only been in custody for a short amount of time, and there has been some frustration among ordinary palestinians who think that israel has been rounding up people and using new laws, using new insight and laws here, new laws that have been passed that if you tweet something online supporting gaza or that is interpreted as supporting hamas , that you can be quite quickly arrested, so israel at this stage is just releasing low- level people, including some that have just, quite recently, been detained. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel in tel aviv again for us. richard, thanks so much. we always appreciate it. joe, behind this, the qatari government is working to mediate this, but president biden is right there, as indicated in his statements, buying some more time. 48 hours, but the first goal, as he sat and minister benjamin netanyahu is getting these prisoners out of hamas. once that is done, then israel can continue to uproot and get rid of hamas, but good news that at least some hostages are being released. >> good news, very good news on that front, and the front page lead story written by peter baker, he does write that it was president biden that got this done. the president's urging, peter baker writes, the two sides agreed on monday to extend the temporary pause in the war between israel and hamas. two more days to allow the release of an additional 20 hostages, according to qatar. that gives all sides more breathing space but only postpones the most critical question by another 48 hours, namely what happens whenever the negotiating pause eventually expires, and we'll salute the president's extraordinary diplomatic skills and the team that he has working throughout the region, and he has provided more breathing space. what i am hearing from diplomats and leaders in the region is that, that they are -- they want to do deals with the israelis moving forward. they want to be able to do that. they are very concerned that if israel goes right back to massive bombardment and what we saw before this cease-fire, that it's going to set piece back for quite some time, and these arab neighbors who have wanted to be allies with israel since the abraham accord process started just aren't going to have the breathing space to do that, so what does the biden administration want after this next 48 hour truce ends? >> i think what we're seeing from the biden administration is two things. one is almost, i say this in a shift in emphasis, and it's get the hostages out first, prosecute the war against hamas second. that is where the biden administration is coming from quite clearly. i think that's where the israeli public is get it's not where the israeli government is, but they are forced to agree with the biden administration and the israeli public . at my point is not all the hostages will be out. hamas will want to keep some, all of these other groups might keep some, and the question that the resumption of military oppositions come up here that's another big emphasis of president biden and the secretary of state, less whether israel resumes military action but how, and what you're going to see is increasing pressure not to go back to the massive aerial bombardment. there was a powerful piece in the new york times about two days ago which essentially made the case that this is unprecedented. this amount of large-scale bombardment against civilian populations causing this amount of civilian casualties, even some of the numbers coming out are inflated. the numbers are still horrific and unprecedented, so i think you will see much more pressure that israel needs to go in small, more patiently, not do attacks where it's inevitably you would cause a large amount of civilian casualties, and in some ways, embrace the kinds of policies that a lot of special forces, units in these countries would argue with the lessons of iraq and afghanistan. be patient, small, targeted. don't be in a hurry. don't go big from the air. >> you're exactly right. it's the lessons of iraq, of afghanistan, and of syria now, and i'm not talking about from 2003 to 2006 when we had massive numbers of troops there, but what we've been able to do in pushing back isis, pushing back terror groups, pushing back iranian terrorist groups, moving across the region. you are so right. a much smaller footprint, a more nimble footprint, then wait for your opportunity. i think that, obviously, is what the region hopes. again, by the region, i'm talking about arab allies of israel's who want much more to have a future with israel than they do with the palestinians. that's just the reality. by the way on a personal note, personal notes, "morning joe, and coworkers very relieved here. i think the new york state authorities are going to be backing off of us. the child labor laws that we had been violating for quite some time -- >> -- he is finally a man. >> -- he is of age today, legal working age in a "morning joe" studio, so congratulations. >> because we're old. >> on your 18th birthday? >> we finally evaded albany long enough, and we can start now. thank you, thank you. very, very much appreciate it. joe, let's chime in on this. to richard's point about what the u.s. is looking to get out of -- from israel right now. william burns just arrived in qatar to engage in talks with their prime minister as well as one of benjamin netanyahu's top adviser to talk about a bigger deal, to broker a bigger deal for more hostages, try to extend this pause in the fighting beyond these next two days. antony blinken, also heading back to the region. this is what the white house is now publicly signaling, what they had been privately communicating in recent days. they want the focus to be to keep the fighting down, to try to get more hostages out, and we heard yesterday from john kirby at the white house podium, acknowledging they are not sure how the americans are still left. they think it is seven or eight. they don't know their conditions, their whereabouts. truthfully, they don't know how many are still alive, so this is a focus right now to try to keep the fighting down, to get more people out get stuck at republican presidential candidate chris christie is standing by. we'll talk about his campaign for the white house and the growing focus on foreign policy in the race. the former governor is our guest, a head on "morning joe." he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ today, my friend you did it, you did it, you did it... ♪ centrum silver is now clinically shown to support cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say, ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. we're travelling all across america, talking to people about their hearts. ooh, take this exit. how's the heart? i feel like it's good. you feel like it's good? how do you know when it's time to check in on your heart? how do you know? let me show you something. it looks like a credit card, but it is the kardiamobile card. that is a medical-grade ekg. want to see how it works? yeah. put both thumbs on there. that is your heart coming from the kardiamobile card. wow! with kardiamobile card, you can take a medical-grade ekg in just 30 seconds, from anywhere. kardiamobile card is proven to detect atrial fibrillation, one of the leading causes of stroke. and it's the only personal ekg that's fda-cleared to detect normal heart rhythm, bradycardia and tachycardia. how much do you think that costs? probably $500. $99. oh, really? you could carry that in your wallet. of course you could carry it in your wallet, right? yes, yes. kardiamobile card is just $79 during our holiday sale, that's a $20 savings. get kardiamobile card for yourself or a loved one today at kardia.com or amazon. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ please be a phone, please be a phone. is it a phone? oh, it smells like a cat nip toy from chewy. that's not a phone. get up to 50% off cyber monday deals at chewy. this is better than toilet paper get cyber monday deals that deliver excitement, at chewy. nice footwork. get it before it's gone on the subway app. man, you're lucky, watching live sports never used to be this easy. now you can stream all your games like it's nothing. yes! [ cheers ] yeah! woho! running up and down that field looks tough. it's a pitch. get way more into what you're into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. started the suspected gunman in burlington, vermont. the shooting there the injured three palestinian u.s. college students, pleaded not guilty to three counts of attempted second-degree murder yesterday. 49-year-old jason eaton was ordered to be held without bail according to a probable cause affidavit. when law enforcement came to eaton's door to execute a search warrant sunday, he told the agents, quote, i have been waiting for you. police searched eaton's apartment and found a handgun and rounds of distinctive red- tipped ammunition, the same type as some found at the scene of the shooting. this comes as we learn more about the three victims, the group of friends who were on a walk, speaking in arabic, and wearing traditional palestinian scarves when the shooter opens fire pit one victim's mother tells nbc news that her son may never walk again, but she remains hopeful. >> we're hoping his sense of character and determination will make him work hard and regain the ability to walk. he is a strong young man. >> you know, it is just so, so absolutely disgraceful, willie, that you have these three young men, these three college students that are walking around burlington, vermont, coming together from, i believe brown and haverford and trinity college. >> yeah. >> and they're coming together to celebrate thanksgiving, walking down the street, and they come up and get shot. we're still awaiting the fbi and any conclusions on whether it's a hate crime or not, but it certainly, it certainly seems, again from what we know, all indications that is a likelihood. regardless, what an absolute tragedy. >> i mean, it is just appalling when you see this these three guys like we would've known coming from college, grew up together back home, going to and uncles house, going to the movie over the weekend. they went bowling the other night, just three buddies from their hometown, and they were apparently , according to police, wearing distinctive clothing. they have not called it a hate crime yet, but it's not a big leap to understand what likely happened here, that a man whose bullet casings in his apartment matched those found on the scenes. i'm waiting for you, suggests why the police were there to talk to him. it's gut wrenching and brings to mind the heinous stabbing death of a 6-year-old palestinian american boy in illinois just over a month ago. these are hate crimes in the purest sense and disgusting. >> we are likely reminded of the rise in anti-semitism since the attacks of october 7, and we also are all too aware of the fact that 60% above hate crimes in america are targeted against jews, despite the fact they make up only 2%, 2.5% of the population . at the same time, obviously, muslim americans deserve our focus our attention and our protection and our love and our care because, well? i mean, at least in my eyes, they are not muslim americans. they are americans. it's like not somebody is a jewish- american. they are an american, and these people going around trying to separate them out from the rest of us, they are the un-american ones. they are the ones that should be condemned in the harshest terms. all prayers, again, with those three young men. i want to talk quickly about bill burns. when bill burns shows up in russia, bill burns shows up in doha before the negotiations about to begin, talk about the importance of bill burns going to doha and beginning negotiations with the head of mossad and also the head of doha -- qatar. >> i have worked with bill for decades . very unassuming, very low-key, but probably the most experienced diplomat we have. he is in the cia role, but what's interesting is the administration is using him as a third principle alongside the secretary of state and the national security adviser. he played a critical role in russia. he knows putin probably better than any american official. he was ambassador to jordan earlier in his career. knows a lot of officials throughout the middle east, and what we're also seeing in things like hostage type negotiations, the fact that he is there, with the head of mossad, it's less through diplomatic channels. this is often to intelligence channels with their arab counterparts, and that is the way you reach hamas. so bill is taking on a role that's far beyond providing intelligence , analysis, and support to the president. he has become the third principle on the foreign-policy national security front. i think if there's a second biden administration, he could very much be in line for something like the state department, given what he's already doing . >> and i just want to -- jonathan, when we were talking about the hostage negotiations and talking about a pause in fighting, i want to draw attention because this is certainly an attitude not only in israel but also an attitude shared by a lot of u.s. lawmakers, and that is the "wall street journal and co- lead editorial but the united states provides to israel, but at the same time, we can't put conditions on how they fight a war against terrorists. there is going to be, again, that rub again, very soon because, again, the israelis who endured what they entered on october 7 will obviously take u.s. guidance, but at some point, if we stand in the way or suggest we will stand in the way of them destroying hamas, i think this relationship is going to go sideways fast. >> and there are a few tension point here. in washington, there is talk amongst american senators about putting conditions on the military assistance, on the a to israel, which is not unusual. we do that for most countries. now, bernie sanders and a few other democrats are saying we should be clear about what president biden and chuck schumer think about that bitter happen flashpoints throughout. the president has made clear we're -- we at the u.s. are not going to tell israel how to conduct its work, but they provided thoughts and guidance. israel has accepted some, not others. but your point, you're right. israel will make its own judgment, and that is what's worrisome. they are not sure they have the most trustworthy partner in prime minister netanyahu. that relationship between biden and netanyahu is certainly spanning decades but has been quite fraught, and the white house does not believe netanyahu is there long-term, that at some point, they see the polls in israel. ac netanyahu moves out they are preparing for that, even if it is months from now, and they worry slightly what he might do, netanyahu might do to continue his power. one of our next guest is republican leaders thought they could harness the far right. instead, they were overrun by it. we will talk about how the gop was taken over, next on "morning joe." and wht love a good throwback? [sfx: video game] emergen-c crystals. only sleep number smart beds let you each choose your individual firmness and comfort. your sleep number setting. and actively cools and warms up to 13 degrees on either side. now at its lowest price ever. the all-new queen sleep number c2 smart bed is only $880. ends monday. only at sleep number. the biden administration says it plans to hit back after donald trump over the weekend again threatened to repeal obama care. on social media saturday, the 2024 republican front runner he is quoting seriously looking at alternatives to the affordable care act if you win next year's presidential election. >> he think that just passed last week. he thinks -- >> he is seriously looking at that ahead of his indictment and $250 million civil suit? i got it. he's got time for that. of course, trump vowed to got obamacare be was en elected, the first time. once he entered the oval office, he failed to follow through, never even presented an alternative health care plan. regardless, the biden administration says it plans to seize on this latest threat in television ads and elsewhere. no tactic is out of the question, a campaign adviser tells nbc news, saying they will present trump's plan as part of the quote i deeply historically unpopular agenda on which republicans are running, and republicans have never had an alternative to obamacare, never, never, never, never. >> it's pretty remarkable. the debate was in 2009. they passed it in 2010 i think. >> it everyone is benefiting from it, including republicans. >> our a decade, they talked about repeal and replace, but never wants -- think about this. if you want to talk about a party that intellectually bankrupt, they never had an alternative to the affordable care act. >> here we go again. >> never had an alternative, never put one out there that the party got behind, and that's just the opposite . in the 1990s there was a debate about who the clintons and health care. hillary clinton was a champion of universal health care. republicans came out. they had about five, six different plans they were debating. democrats had their own alternatives. there was actually a real debate. jonathan, one of the bigger problems right now for donald trump is, again, you know, you've got to -- it's like a boxer past his prime. he thinks he's running against barack obama. he thinks that we may enter world war ii soon, so i can figure out whether he's in 2011 or 1941, the summer of '41, but he is now talking about repealing the affordable care act again. i think, yeah. his aides need to explain to him we are in 2023, about to get into 2024 because kaiser foundation took, in the most recent poll i've seen, shows about 55%, 56% of americans support the affordable care act , and those who oppose it are in the low 40s. this has become an extremely popular law on the books, and once again, donald trump, going back in time with his way back machine picking the wrong side on yet another issue. >> yeah. remember, let's remember trump did try to repeal obama care. there was the effort defeated by john mccain and others. mccain, his name is thumbs down on the senate floor defeated it, and the trump height house never really trump did try visited it. even then when they were tried to take away the obamacare, they never had a replacement plan. that was the birth of that meme . we are now not just two weeks, but six years later, and they still have not come up with any sort of alternative. to your point, the politics of this has changed, and this is trump living in the past. living in an echo chamber. the hyper right, whether it's portions of fox news or other really conservative commentators who still want to destroy obamacare just because the word obama is in it, and they think that's a political winner for their base. that base is small. most voters want to keep obamacare, at least portions of it because it has helped their lives, and this is an issue the biden whiteout, they have seized upon, and the biden campaign in the last 24 hours has organized a number of calls. we will hear from nancy pelosi later today on this issue as a biden campaign surrogate, joe. they feel like this is another issue along with abortion, trump's dangerous rhetoric, where they can -- a threat to democracy, where they can paint trump and republicans as extreme and out of step. >> and, willie, just looking right now at a history of the affordable care act and again donald trump because he's usually about a decade behind when he gets on stage. it's late. he gets confused. obama, obama. he starts stammer around like that and talks about world war ii starts about erdogan running turkey or actually, erdogan does run turkey, talk about -- it all gets very confusing. >> there's all kinds of stuff. >> president xi is brilliant, kim jong-un love letters. it is all very confusing for donald trump. he is sort of in this, this, i don't know actually why he is so confused about everything, but you look at the history, and you actually see that over the past 12 years or so, the approval ratings for the affordable care act have gone up from like 48% in 2010 to 62% in 2023. this is, again, a very popular law. >> it is very popular, and as john alluded to, republicans owned washington from january 2017 to 2019. they actually meant that they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, they had plenty of time to do it. it also raises the question, joe, why he keeps leaning into these issues that are harmful to him and his chances to become president the united states and we can talk about obamacare, the affordable care act, and again is saying i am the man, single-handedly, who got rid of roe versus wade, the issue of abortion , obviously not a good one for him. also, leaning into the fact that he tried to overturn the government in 2020, talking about how he's going to free the january 6 rioters, and he still believes he won. that was not popular during the midterms last year, not popular again this fall, so he keeps going to places that, as john said, joe biden and their campaign is happy for him to go. let's bring to our conversation our good friend, contributor mike and special correspondent and host of the fast politics podcasts, molly. good morning to you both. molly, you can get into your new piece and how it fits into all of this, which is that the whether it's abortion or obamacare or january 6th, these issues that joe biden is very happy to have raised by his likely opponent, donald trump in the 2024 campaign. >> yeah, i mean, my thesis is basically that -- and we can go back to 2016 and talk about that. we spent so much time covering the stakes of the hillary presidency, right? 90%, 78%, you know, 99%. trump has no path, right? we did not spend enough time covering -- we covered the odds of the hillary clinton presidency could we did not spend enough time covering the stakes of a donald trump presidency, and i think that is what they pulled to, shifted the narrative in a way that's not necessarily so helpful, and they drive a lot of new cycles, and we've seen -- and i'm not even talking about the accuracy polls. i'm talking about more as just sort of the paul engine for a lot of reporting. a live report from israel, as more hostages could soon be freed from the gaza strip. nbc about his raf sanchez has the latest developments there, straight ahead on "morning joe." joe." advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. all of these plans include a healthy options allowance, a monthly allowance to help pay for eligible groceries, utilities, rent, and over-the-counter items. the healthy options allowance is loaded onto a prepaid card each month. and whatever you don't spend, carries over from each month. other benefits on these plans include free rides to and from your medical appointments. and our large networks of doctors, hospitals and pharmacies. so, call the number on your screen now and ask about a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan. humana. a more human way to healthcare. - [narrator] power outages are unpredictable, inconvenient, and disruptive to your life. posing a real threat to your comfort and safety. when the power goes out, you have no lights, no refrigeration, no heating or air conditioning. your well or sump pump won't work. your modern daily electronics are rendered useless. and what if the power's out for days or weeks? are you prepared? you can be with a generac home standby generator. - with the generac, it powers our well or refrigerator, and my cpap machine, which are all things that we need to survive on a day-to-day basis - [narrator] when a power outage occurs, your generac home standby generator automatically powers up so your life goes on without disruption. you and your family are comfortable, safe, and secure. generac generators run on your home's existing natural gas or propane and generac's mobile link remote monitoring system keeps you posted on operating status, maintenance updates, and more. generac generators are designed, engineered, and purpose-built in the usa. generac is the number-one manufacturer of home standby generators in the world. eight out of 10 home generators are generac with thousands of satisfied customers. - we chose generac because we see 'em everywhere. after the hurricane, i looked at my wife and said, "thank god we have a generac." we were safe. - [narrator] and owning a generator is easier than ever. special financing is available with low monthly payment options. act now and you will also receive a free seven-year warranty valued at $735. call or go online now to request your free quote with one of generac's 8,000 nationwide dealers. the call is free, the quote is free, and there's no obligation to buy. call or go online now so the next time there's a power outage, your home powers up. power your life with generac. call or go online to request your free quote today. welcome back. the age of misinformation on social media platforms has come with the arise of artificial intelligence. it has selected its word for the 2023, authentically the dictionary ascends in true to one's personality, spirit, or character, not false. the word saw substantial increase in online searches driven by stories and conversations about ai, celebrity culture, social mea, and identity. runners up that made the short list include deepfake, coronati, dystopian, implode, and rizz, a trendy slang term that means romantic appeal or charm. rizz. okay. so, speaking of writing in words, only two months ago when best-selling author james patterson and michael released their totally written in "the new york times" best-selling book, entitled "12 months to live." the two prolific writers are out with separately written new novels to each of their theories, and they seem to like each other so much, they are helping to promote each other's new book. james patterson and mike lupica. lupica's book, the latest in his detective series, first started by robert b. parker 50 years ago, and mike, i'll start with you. we don't often have authors coming on to cross promote each other's books, so how did this come about? >> they should do that more often. >> you know, mika, the last time i was here, i said i'd been looking to give back, and i wanted to give somebody a booze, and it turned out to be the guy selling more books than anybody i know, so i cleverly thought, why don't we cross, alex cross, promote these two books, so we got two of the great iconic characters in the history of crime fiction, alex cross and spencer, to the point, mika, in the middle of my first spencer novel, i kept wondering if alex cross becoming out characters in the history of crime fiction to the point where in the middle of my first spencer novel, i kept wondering if alex cross might be coming out of the bullpen to help himrk forward to. >> the thing about spencer and cross, they are authentic. seriously. i mean, alex is the kind of cop and spencer is a private investigate, they're trying to do the right thing. >> they both have a code. it's almost like an old west code of honor and making things right. they're fun characters to write, obviously. >> mike, you're sitting next to a living legend and you're picking up the ball handed to you by a living, now dead legend, robert b. parker. what's it like carrying that mantle of bob parker? >> you were bob parker's friend, mike. i remember parker and i used to let us hijack your radio show in boston. it is a tremendous honor. i first had that man's voice in my head after that. he became my friend. he was a writing hero of mine. when i look at my early mysteries, i can see and hear his influence on me. i know how passionate spencer fans are. i was lucky enough to right two other of his characters, but obviously spencer is the holy grail. i think his fans will be happy with "broken trust". >> for me as a reader, mike has brought spencer's voice back, in my opinion. i think this is the best spencer in a long time. >> so, james, mika mentioned how long running the alex cross series is. give your take on why it's resonated with readers for so long. >> i think a big piece of it is alex's family. his grandmother is -- god knows how old she is now. but he's like all of us. we have our jobs and we try to balance life. and alex's job is to hard, because i put him in these terrible situations, like in the new book somebody has blown up a plane coming into reagan airport. i think people are attached to the family. >> when i read the first four chapters, i called jim and said this is the best alex cross yet. a plane is shot down by a guy from the ground in the first few chapters. if you're not into this book after the fourth chapter -- i actually slept with the light on for like three nights after because i was so fraidy scared. >> james patterson's new book is entitled "alex cross must die." and the books are both on sale today. thank you very much. coming up, after black friday and cyber monday, today is an opportunity for americans to take a break from consumerism for charity. actor kevin bacon will join us to talk about how he's helping with giving tuesday, the initiative. also ahead, republican presidential candidate chris christie will be our guest. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. in a crisis caused by a terrorist massacre. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. i've struggled with generalized myasthenia gravis. but the picture started changing when i started on vyvgart. vyvgart is for adults with generalized myasthenia gravis who are anti-achr antibody positive. in a clinical trial, vyvgart significantly improved most participants' ability to do daily activities when added to their current gmg treatment. most participants taking vyvgart also had less muscle weakness. and your vyvgart treatment schedule is designed just for you. in a clinical study, the most common side effects included urinary and respiratory tract infections, and headache. vyvgart may increase the risk of infection. tell your doctor if you have a history of infections or symptoms of an infection. vyvgart can cause allergic reactions. available as vyvgart for iv infusion and now as vyvgart hytrulo for subcutaneous injection. additional side effects for vyvgart hytrulo may include injection site reactions. talk to your neurologist about vyvgart. ♪♪ nothing like a real tree. ♪♪ oh, fudge!!! oh, fudge!!! ♪♪ the holidays are joy, except for all the snow, slush, salt, and pine needle catastrophes... weathertech's cargoliners and floorliners are laser-measured to perfectly protect the front, back, and even up the sides. order the perfect holiday gift today at weathertech.com and don't forget weathertech gift cards. rsv is out there. for those 60 years and older protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. i chose arexvy. rsv? make it arexvy. ♪♪ just before the very top of the hour, welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it's just before 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. let's get to the extension of the israel/hamas temporary truce. an additional two days in the pause in fighting was just announced hours before 11 other hostages were freed by hamas. it's expected the terrorist group will release an additional ten hostages today. a senior administration official tells nbc news that cia director bill burns is in qatar holding secret meetings aimed at brokering a deal that will lead to the release of even more hostages. >> reporter: in just the last hour we are hearing there were three explosions near israel forces in northern gaza. the israeli military is saying a number of its soldiers were lightly injured in these blasts. in one instance there was an exchange of gunfire between israeli forces and palestinian militants. the israeli military is saying this is a violation of the ceasefire, which has held these last four days, which is supposed to hold for the next two. the israeli military is not saying they consider the entire ceasefire agreement void, but this is the most serious fighting we have seen inside of gaza since the guns went silent at 7:00 a.m. local time friday morning. this is, of course, a major, major cause of concern for the families of those hostages. we were expecting ten israeli hostages to emerge from gaza tonight. there is a lot of worry now about what this violation of the ceasefire may mean for the release of the hostages. now, we have not heard anything from hamas yesterday. it's worth bearing in mind hamas is not the only armed group inside of gaza. it's possible this could be the work of islamic palestinian jihad or other smaller factions. right now we have not heard from any side that the ceasefire deal is off. it doesn't appear that the israeli military is retaliating in any major way. the fighting seems to be contained to this area in northern gaza. we are starting to get some answers to one of the questions that has been hanging over these last seven weeks, which is, what kind of conditions are those hostages inside of gaza being held in. we've been speaking to family members of recently released hostages, including the family of the 9-year-old boy released on friday along with his mother and grandmother. i want you guys to take a listen to a little bit of what they've been telling family of their seven weeks inside gaza. >> they were with one guy who kept them all the time. she told me that all the time he did like that. so they were scared. they were whispering. >> were they ever tortured by hamas? >> no, i don't think so. they didn't get a lot of food. to go to the bathroom, they had to knock on the door and then 1 1/2 hours waiting or two hours. >> reporter: they had no idea about the scale of the october 7th terrorist attacks. they didn't realize they were just three out of 240 hostages taken in total, nor did they have any idea there was a global effort to bring them home, including the president of the united states. they also didn't realize that the grandfather was alive, held at a different location inside gaza. they assumed he was murdered inside the kibbutz. we are starting to get a somewhat clearer picture of the time they spent inside gaza. most of the kids appear to be in good position. one of the older hostages, though, is inside hospital right now, an 84-year-old grandmother rushed straight to the icu after being released on sunday night. doctors tell us she is on a ventilator and is fighting for her life. >> is there a sense that as these extensions go on, 48 more hours of a ceasefire, that we could go on this way and batches of hostages could be released as we go along? or does it feel like there's a finite point to where the women and children are out and we're not willing to send people of fighting age out? is there hope to get all the hostages out? >> reporter: it's a question people here are asking. here's what we know. there are about 173 hostages still inside gaza, according to the prime minister's office. assuming we get 20 more out over the next few days, that gets you down to around 150. there are still several dozen women and children as part of that 150. they, in theory, could come out under the terms of this deal in another extension and another extension. once you get past the women and children, that is kind of the low-hanging fruit. we expect hamas to drive a much harder bargain for the male hostages and a much, much harder bargain for the israeli soldiers who they are holding prisoner. back in 2011, israel agreed to release more than a thousand palestinians in exchange for a single israeli soldier. the question now is whether this successful exchange of the women and children can be part of an immediate runway that goes straight into a broader negotiation over the other hostages, or when the ceasefire comes to an end we are going to go back to a period of fighting and maybe at some later date negotiations will open again. >> it's mainly low-level criminals israel is sending back to gaza, but as you point out hamas may start asking for higher level militants to be released. earlier this morning, we spoke with the family of abigail idan, the young american-israeli girl who spent her fourth birthday held captive by hamas. the family now speaking publicly about getting her back after she was freed on sunday as part of the ceasefire agreement. abigail's parents were killed in their home on october 7th. abigail was in her father's arms when hamas gunmen shot and killed him. her dad fell on top of her. abigail then crawled out from under her father's body, ran to a neighbor's house where she and the neighbors were taken by hamas. abigail's two older siblings locked themselves inside a closet and hit for 14 hours. abigail's great aunt and cousin told us about the family's reunion with abigail and how they intend to help the other children cope with what they've endured. >> as a mother of four children, the thought of a child being hostage for 50 days and coming out to a new life without her parents, i will say that abigail when she was taken with a neighbor she knew and her three children, all we hoped is she was with them and she was. and she was able to be hugged by this woman and be part of her family. that is a blessing under all of this. how does abigail move forward? she has an amazing family. when her siblings and cousins showed up at the hospital, it was beautiful. it was what these children had waited for for 50 days, and they had abigail back. the love and all of that brought abigail back. she just became abigail again for them. how do they go forward? they will live with their aunt and uncle and three cousins. my hope is they will go back to school, that people will give them the freedom, not be on top of them and let them live a life which is going to be very hard and challenging, but one that will be full of love from their grandparents and community and aunt and uncle. >> how do you think she's doing? can you speak a little bit to be what your family has been through throughout this entire ordeal? there are so many others who are still going through this, holding onto hope and also in agony about what has happened to their family. >> yeah. i think it will take a while to really understand how abigail is doing and the impact this has all had on her. we do know she was very hungry when she came out. for us, there is certainly relief. i think that for 50 days we continued to live in an ongoing terror attack. we are very aware that many families still are, that as a society and as a country israel still is. as long as there are people in hamas captivity, young women who shouldn't be there for another moment, grandparents, fathers, sons, daughters, our work is not done. >> thank you so much for being with us and sharing this story. we know abigail was 3 when she was abducted and turn 4 on friday while she was being held by terrorists. i know you want to give her time and space about what these last 50 days have been like as she was held. >> she came out hungry. there was not enough food. there wasn't proper food for a child. what we know is that she was in the dark. they weren't in a place where they would be able to run free, and they were hostages. so it's a combination of all of these terrible things, this opportunity now to live a life. we're giving the family space and we're waiting for them to share and for abigail to share and this other family to share. really what we understand is they were just in isolation and they were just together. abigail had a child who she went to nursery school with, but they were alone. so i don't know even how to answer that. what i also think about is all these other hostages that are still there and all these other families that are still waiting for their loved ones to come home. what i want people to understand is these are real people. abigail is a little girl. it could be anybody's little girl. the trauma and the tragedy that all of these people have been facing, we personally as a family are facing. we pray and we hope for their return and we pray and hope for abigail to be able to live a life that will be -- i don't think to use the word normal, but that she can grow up and be a happy person. other stories we're following this morning now, "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich will remain in pretrial detention in russia until at least january. moscow has been holding gershkovich for nearly eight months while he awaits trial on espionage charges, allegations that he and the u.s. government vehemently reject. this marks the third time his detention has been extended. if convicted, he could face up to 20 years in a russian penal colony. the sandy hook families who won nearly $1.5 billion in legal judgments over alex jones over his repeated claims that the 2012 connecticut school shooting was a hoax have offered to settle. the offer, according to lawyers for the families, is a viable way to help resolve the bankruptcy reorganization cases surrounding alex jones. the associated press reports the families offered jones two options, either liquidate his estate and give the proceeds to creditors or pay them at least $8.5 million a year for ten years plus 50% of any income over $9 million per year. in a legal filing, attorneys accuse the infowars host of failing to curb his spending and extravagant lifestyle. hunter biden has agreed to testify before the republican-led house oversight committee on december 13th. this news comes after the committee issued a subpoena to hunter biden in early november, summoning him to appear as part of the republicans' escalation of the impeachment inquiry into president biden. republican james comer of kentucky issued the subpoenas which focus on the biden family's business dealings. hunter biden had been subpoenaed for closed-door testimony. he and his attorney are saying let's do it in the open so you can't manipulate what is said. >> this is part of a new, far more aggressive strategy from hunter biden and his new attorneys, who are being far more combative, trying to stand up to what republicans are doing in the house. he has sued rudy giuliani and robert costello and the delaware computer store owner who gave giuliani the laptop. there's the house of representatives investigation. there, of course, is the criminal matter as well. this is something that is going to be a storyline next year. a lot of it is false equivalency. we know the republicans are trying to paint the bidens with the same brush that of course the trumps and donald trump, who is facing 91 criminal counts, is up against. the hunter biden is like, we're not going to take this lying down, we are going to push back. >> this is a little of what supporters of joe biden have wanted to see, which is punching back against something which is a complete farce, which has yielded a lot of smoke, but no fire. >> for hunter biden and jimmy biden at some point to appear before these house committees and basically give their version of the truth. they have been surrounded for months about talk from comer and every other republican in either of these committees, the weaponization committee as well as comer's committee about the biden crime family. they're going to testify and give their version of their truth. i think hunter biden has nothing to fear here in terms of who he is and what he's willing to talk about. he's willing to talk about everything. >> just requiring transparency about it. coming up on "morning joe," lawmakers are back on capitol hill today with only 15 days until their holiday recess. we'll take a look at a key item that is not on the congressional calendar right now. plus, new reporting on how the rise of mike johnson to house speaker is the culmination of a gop strategy that goes back to 2008. also ahead, republican presidential candidate and former new jersey governor chris christie is our guest this morning. "morning joe" is coming right back. morning. "morning joe" is coming right back you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire sofia vergara: one child saved at st. jude helps save kids with cancer worldwide. you'll find our treatments and research breakthroughs everywhere, from a college freshman's room in america's west to a college graduation in america's south to a medical school in south america. ava: that can be me someday. marlo thomas: give thanks for the healthy kids in your life, and give a gift that could last a lifetime. ♪♪ we're not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. ♪♪ we're not an airline, but our network connects global businesses across nearly 160 markets. ♪♪ we're not a startup, but our innovation labs use new technologies to help keep your information secure. ♪♪ we're not architects, but we help build stronger communities. ♪♪ we're not just any bank. we are citi. ♪♪ look at stowe, vermont, this morning. they got a whole bunch of snow. this is my favorite state for sure. this isn't the first snow. they've had more snow this year. beautiful shot. the new year could kick off with yet another threat of a government shutdown. no government funding bills are scheduled to be brought to the house floor this week. house speaker mike johnson is facing increasing pressure from hard-right republicans over what they consider acceptable funding legislation. lawmakers face a mid-january deadline to fund the government or enter a partial government shutdown with another deadline looming in early february. joining us now, chief washington correspondent for the "new york times," carl holtz. his latest reporting is entitled "behind johnson's rise, a gop consumed by the far right." in it, you break down how mainstream republicans believe they could harness the party's far-right populist forces, but instead they were completely overrun by them. first, what do we know in terms of just how far right speaker johnson is? >> well, he's a very, very conservative lawmaker from a very conservative part of the country, shreveport, louisiana. i think he's the most conservative, certainly culturally, speaker we've had, certainly since the old days. yeah, he describes himself as an ultra conservative. so i think he may say it best. he's definitely on the far right of even house republicans. >> and so now explain what you say has happened as they try to sort of harness some of the spirit of the far right. they've become, the party itself, overrun. are you conflating far right with trumpism? >> i think trumpism was part of what happened. remember, the tea party sprang up in 2009 in response to the big democratic wins. republicans were really feeling they were going to be on the outs for a long time. there was this backlash to obama. so speakers like john boehner, paul ryan and ultimately kevin mccarthy, they weren't part of that movement, but they thought they could take advantage of this movement. but in the end, the movement sort of ate them alive, pushed them aside. and now we have mike johnson, who is part of the movement. you referred to the spending issues. so far, mike johnson has not governed like a super conservative. that's got some of his people in the freedom caucus, the far-right membership of the house republican conference, it's got them nervous. so johnson made a deal to keep the government open through the holidays, which of course, is a big sigh of relief on capitol hill, but setting up this showdown for next year. mike johnson said yesterday he was in florida at a fundraiser and he thinks they can get this all done, including a supplemental with aid to ukraine and israel and that they can get this all done in order. but most of the other people on capitol hill honestly don't see it as coming together that easily. >> you've been covering the hill for a while now. what happens to mainstream conservative republicans, the kind we used to know before 2008? a lot of people are retiring, a lot of them getting run out in primaries. where's the home for that republican these days? >> a real race to the exits here in congress, and i think we're going to see some more. i'm not sure, honestly, there is a home for them. it's very frustrating. they have to defend these tough votes at home. i know you guys talked about this earlier, talk about repealing obamacare, which seems to people in the senate, republicans in the senate and the more mainstream people in the house, seems like a really crazy idea to talk about. so i think you're going to see more movement out of the party from those kind of folks who came here to try and get some things done for their districts and their states, and instead they're in the middle of chaos with little option to legislate. i think they're going to bail out. >> no living american knows more about the operation of congress than you do. >> i'm not sure about that. >> so my question to you is, is this republican majority, thin as it is, will it ever be prepared to govern? >> i mean, they want to govern in the way that they want to govern. you know, with the current decided government, it's just impossible for them to work their will, the freedom caucus. the republicans have one-half of one-third of the government. there's an element of that caucus that thinks they should get their way on spending and a cultural issue. they just can't get there. i think it makes it really impossible to govern. their majority could be shrinking even more, and it's tiny now. if george santos is expelled, that costs them a vote. there's another member from ohio leaving next year. there could be some other members to leave during the current congress. you could get their majority down to one or two. that, i think, makes it really hard for mike johnson to do anything with republicans only. he's going to have to deal with democrats if he wants to get things done. that costs them on the right. he's just in a fix. >> thank you. it's great to have you on. come back. >> sure. coming up, kevin bacon will join us to discuss giving tuesday, a campaign to help the homeless. plus, presidential candidate chris christie is live in studio. we'll talk about his recent trip to israel and the state of his 2024 campaign. e state of his 2024 campaign. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. [dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ first time i connected with kim, she told me that only pay for what you need. her husband had passed. and that he took care of all of the internet connected devices in the home. i told her, “i'm here to take care of you.” connecting with kim... made me reconnect with my mom. it's very important to keep loved ones close. we know that creating memories with loved ones brings so much joy to your life. a family trip to the team usa training facility. i don't know how to thank you. i'm here to thank you. welcome back. it's half past the hour. live look at capitol hill, where later today senate republicans are planning to discuss a way around senator tommy tuberville's holds on more than 350 high-level military promotions. the alabama republican has been objecting to the confirmation of nominees because of a department of defense policy that allows members of the military to be compensated for out-of-state travel for abortion health care services. while both parties try to find a way around the obstruction, tuberville is blaming so-called woke policies while disparaging the men and women in uniform. >> we've got the weakest military we've had in probably my lifetime. >> joining us now, chris christie. good to see you. let me get your response to senator tuberville, this holdup of the nominations. even lindsey graham said this is insane, we've got to get these people promoted. >> i have been saying for months what he's doing is wrong on the promotions. if you want to oppose that policy, oppose it. but don't hold up promotions. i would say this in response to the weakest military. any country in the world would trade for our military any day of the week. somebody who's a football coach should be able to relate to that. you look at the talent on the field. the talent on the field of the american military is better than any other military in this world. maybe we should talk to coach tuberville that way, and he might understand it. >> just bizarre to continue to attack the united states military when he's part of the problem. let's talk about the campaign. you're trying to get on the debate stage next week. >> we'll be there. >> okay. you're on the debate stage. you have vivek ramaswamy, ambassador haley, governor desantis. what is your objective? >> listen to the questions and answer them in a way that people can understand, that are direct and honest and not memorized and manufactured, not answering the question you wish you had been asked but actually answering the question you are asked. we did this in the last debate. i think that's why my moms have gone up so much since the last debate, because i stood on the stage and acted like a president is supposed to act, which is to listen to the question and to answer it and give people clear direction on where you are and who you are and what kind of president you'd be. i don't have a different strategy for the fourth one. good news, there will be one less person, so my ability to have a little more time to explain things will be there. >> you've put a lot of time and effort into the state of new hampshire, of course. when you look at the polls still after all these months of putting time and effort in that show trump ahead, how do you view that? how do you change that dynamic and catch trump? >> first off, the only way dona after donald trump. i think i'm the only candidate in this race that's doing that. i heard nikki haley saying he was the right president for the right time and drama just seems to follow him, as if he's an innocent victim in that. when you subvert the constitution, when you try to block a valid election, when you lie to the american people and tell them an election was stolen when it wasn't, when you send out a deranged social media post at 2:00 in the morning on thanksgiving morning, talking about all the people you're thankful that you hate, that's why drama is there, because he creates it. for governor haley to act as if donald trump is some innocent victim is a problem, because she's trying to be everything to everybody. you can't. that's why i don't worry necessarily about where the polls stand now. if you look at 2007 at this time, thanksgiving in iowa, the leader was mitt romney. mike huckabee was at 4%. he won the iowa caucuses. in 2011, rick santorum won the caucuses. in 2015, ben carson was ahead of trump and ted cruz was at 7%. ted cruz wound up winning the iowa caucuses over donald trump and marco rubio. ben carson was fourth. >> there aren't persuadables among trump's hard-core supporters. >> i disagree. our internal polling showed us nearly 3 out of 4 of donald trump's supporters in new hampshire say they could change their mind between now and election day. in the last race in 2016, 50% of the people say they made their decision in the last three days. 20% of those people said they made their decision on primary day. when you look at these polls, they're fine for today, but the election isn't today. what we've seen in those three instances in iowa for instance, an early state that acts very similar to new hampshire in terms of late deciding, you could see they decided late, because you had three men in single digits at thanksgiving who ended up winning the iowa caucuses. we're already in the mid teens and higher in some polls in new hampshire. we feel good about where we are. we're not going to play this game of process stories and which donor am i meeting with or which donor am i getting a check from. we have plenty of money to compete, and we're not going to play those games. i'm playing to the voters in new hampshire. they're the ones that will decide. >> this campaign is shadowed by the war in israel and hamas. you were just in israel. tell us what you saw there and your analysis of what we're currently seeing, this pause in the fighting to get the hostages out. >> i don't think anybody who hasn't been there can truly appreciate the depth of the inhumanity that hamas visited on october 7th on the israelis. i was in the kibbutz, the came one that elon musk was in yesterday. i could tell you just one quick story. i went into the home of a 24-year-old couple, recently married. when you walk in, the place had been completely ransacked. you saw the couch that the young woman was lying on reading a book when she was murdered, stained across the entire cushion of her blood. then in the doorway of their bedroom, the floor stained with the husband's blood. that's where he was shot and killed. i counted 140 bullet holes in the walls to kill two people. this is not only inhumanity, it's the joy they took in visiting that inhumanity on these folks. you can't ask people who survived that -- that kibbutz, by the way, is 600 yards from the gaza border. you cannot ask people to go back to their homes until you as the israeli government can say you're secure going back there because we have degraded hamas' military capability. that needs to be done. it has to be balanced with trying to get these hostages home. that's a very difficult task. i admire what the israeli government is doing in trying to balance both of them, but i don't think that the job is done yet militarily with hamas. i think anybody who thinks this pause is going to extend into a permanent ceasefire, i think is not understanding it from the israeli perspective, which is we had a ceasefire on october 6th. they're the ones who violated it. they came over here in a surprise attack killing 1200 to 1400 innocent israeli civilians. >> you just used the phrase "the joy they took in killing." earlier today we had ambassador karen pierce, british ambassador to washington, on with us. she was asked the following question. going forward, how does israel deal in negotiating the future of gaza, whoever would run gaza, negotiating with a group of people, hamas, who live by the rule we have to kill jews and eliminate the state of israel? what kind of a negotiating partner is that? >> they can't negotiate with hamas. they're a terrorist organization. they can't negotiate with them. what you really want to get to is a two-state solution, which i think makes sense. the other arab countries in the region have to work with israel to get a negotiating partner for the palestinians that is not a terrorist organization. that's what we should be striving for. that's why i think ultimately israel has to keep their eye on three things. they need to protect their territorial integrity, the safety and security of the people. two, they've got to degrade the hamas military capability to provide for that safety. three, they have to continue to isolate iran. the way to do that is to have a relationship with their arab neighbors, some of which they already have agreements with, some they're striving to get agreements with. they need to keep their eye on that ball too. the continued isolation of iran will continue to make this a delicate problem. as americans, we should be supporting israel's right to exist and defend themselves. privately, we should be working with them on how best to negotiate a solution to the problem you just raised. >> chris, i'm curious how it's going with persuading trump voters. you and i disagree on a lot of things, but you're trying to break a dangerous fever. i'm just curious. i recently discovered that an entire family very close with my family, highly successful, very practicing catholic family, that sat at my family's table for decades, that they're all in for trump still and were and are. i'm shocked in so many different ways, but all in for high -- what's the warning you can give to reasonable people about the threat of a second term for trump? and are you losing hope that you can't get through to people? >> i don't lose hope until people start to vote. someone like me who's been in this business for a while understands that. nothing matters until people start to vote in terms of opinions. >> but what can you say when they're still after everything hanging onto this corrupt -- >> what i would say to them is, look, starting on march 4th, there's going to be a trial in washington, d.c., where the first witness is not going to be some left wing democrat, not going to be the product of what they call a two-tier system of justice. the first witness is going to be mark meadows, one of the founders of the freedom caucus, a conservative from north carolina. this guy is going to get on the witness stand and take an oath and he's going to say, i committed crimes while i was white house chief of staff, because if you didn't, you wouldn't need immunity. he's got immunity. second, he's going to say that man over there directed me to commit crimes and committed crimes himself. when that happens, i want to see what those folks who were sitting at your table have to say. because now you've got the white house chief of staff saying under oath that donald trump directed him to commit crimes and committed crimes himself as an attempt to keep power and overturn a legitimate election for president of the united states. i think that's going to change a lot of people's minds, mika, because it's going to become real then. when he's convicted, which he will be, i believe based on my seven years of experience as a prosecutor, that that's exactly what's going to happen when you have that kind of testimony and more. we saw reports this morning that vice president pence has been cooperating with the prosecutors and will give testimony regarding the things donald trump asked him to do during the january 6th lead-up. the fact is that's going to happen. that could knock some people off. then, if they're still there because they believe the whole process is wrong or whatever, then you look at them and say -- by the way, this is all the democrats are going to talk about from the moment he's convicted until election day. if you think that's the candidate who's going to win the presidency, you didn't pay attention to the 2020 election and we're going to hand this over to joe biden for another four years. if they're strong republicans, they should also care about whether they want joe biden as president or not. one of the problems is, i'm the only one making this argument. >> i know. >> you had nikki haley yesterday in south carolina saying he was the right president for the right time, and for some reason drama seems to follow him. come on. either you run against him or don't run against him. if you're running for second place, tell everybody you're running for second place. i'm not. i've been offered cabinet positions in the trump administration and turned them down. i was offered white house chief of staff for donald trump and turned it down. i'm not interested in working for donald trump. i'm interested in restoring this country's commitment to the constitution above everything else and to the rule of law. that's why i'm running for president. >> you were u.s. attorney. you raised the possibility of conviction. i talked to a prominent defense lawyer who said, you got nine charges against you, might be able to get you off. 91? i don't know about that. are you convinced he's going to be convicted of something? >> he's going to be convicted this spring in washington on the january 6th stuff. the thing that convinced me of that is mark meadows getting a deal. i was around the white house during that period of time mark meadows was velcroed to trump's hip. he was with him every minute of the day. he knows everything that was discussed, everything that was told to donald trump about the real results of the election, everything that trump instructed others to do. he knows it, and he's going to be an objective observer of that. with an immunity deal, he has no reason not to tell the absolute truth, which includes admitting he engaged in crimes as well. the only reason there's even context for this conversation is because so many people are also dissatisfied with joe biden. you have two people, both of whom in my opinion are too old for the job, who show signs every day that they're not up to the job every day. so the american people sit there and say, what are we going to do with this choice? that's why i'm out here fighting for this . it's not that i have nothing else to do. i had some pretty nice gigs i was doing that were enjoyable and were really good for my family, but i couldn't sit by and let this happen. it bothers me just as much to have people in the race pretending to run. in the debate, there was not run question about donald trump. i'm like, are we pretending that we're the only five candidates up here for president? the guy who's 20-30 points ahead of all of us, we're not going to talk about him? this is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy. now we've got a situation where you've got different candidates saying different things depending on what stage they're in. on the stage, you had governor haley talking about we don't want to be divisive about abortion. then she goes to iowa and says she'd sign a six-week ban on abortion. >> and you would not? >> absolutely not. we fought for 50 years to say this was taken away from the people by the supreme court, it should be returned to the people. we are seeing an extraordinary exercise in democracy going on in every state in this country where people are getting to vote on this, michigan, kansas, ohio just recently. this is such an emotional issue. people want to be heard on it, should be able to decide it. our founders didn't think this was something that should have been going on with politicians. look at what this been going on with politicians. look at what this congress, the house, look at them picking a speaker. and the senate, what we just talked about with these military, you know, promotions. you want to entrust abortion to those folks? i trust the people to make this decision, all 50 states should make their own decision. and there shouldn't be a six-week national ban on abortion. yet now that's governor haley's position when she's in front of bob vander platts, but wasn't on the debate stage. so, you know, you got to be careful about these things. you don't know what people are going to do if they try to be everything to everybody. >> we hope see you on the debate stage in tuscaloosa next week. a million more questions for you. >> it is a good one. i think mike is right, no one eclipses vince lombardi. vince lombardi rest stop is key. >> whoever has the roy rogers is the winner. >> get a holster and fries. >> see willie at the fixings bar, everybody. >> i'll be there. chris christie, governor, thanks so much. appreciate it. up next, kevin bacon live in our studio to talk about giving tuesday, a day created over a decade ago out of a simple idea to encourage people to do good. "morning joe" is back in a moment. e to do good "morning joe" is back in a moment lse. >> customer: thank you so much. >> tech vo: schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ - [narrator] what will you do when the power goes out? power outages can be unpredictable and inconvenient, but with a generac home standby generator, your life goes on uninterrupted because you'll have power when you need it the most. - with the generac it powers our well, the refrigerator, and my cpap machine, which are all things that we need to survive on a day-to-day basis - [narrator] get the security and peace of mind your family deserves with a home standby generator from generac. eight out of 10 home generators are generac with thousands of satisfied customers. - it's the peace of mind to get the generac generator. that was the best investment that we could have ever made. - [narrator] and owning a generator is easier than ever. special financing is available with low monthly payment options. act now and you will also receive a free seven-year warranty valued at $735. power your life with generac. call or go online to request your free quote today. welcome back to "morning joe." today is giving tuesday. the global movement started over a decade ago designed to get people to give back on the consumer focused days of black friday and cyber monday. joining us now in studio, one of the people leading the charge in that effort, golden globe winning actor, philanthropist, kevin bacon. his organization six degrees is launching a campaign aimed at creating and distributing 40,000 essential need resource kits across the country. so great to see you as always. so tell us about these kits. people get involved, they support here. who do they go to, what do they do? >> the idea is that there is a certain movie that involved someone coming to a small town to make -- get people dancing again, yeah. called "footloose." believe it or not, i -- i can't believe i'm saying this, it is the 40th anniversary. >> is it 40 years? >> 2024, yeah. and so we took that as an opportunity to come up with this idea of 40,000 kits. and essentially what happens is in a community, you have an organization, grassroots organization that has highlighted people who are in need of basic essentials. cld be children. it could be people that don't have a house or a home. and we gather some kind of a backpack or something to hold these kits, get essential items, soap, you know, food items, water, shampoo, things. we then get volunteers from the community to spend, i don't know, a couple hours, just loading these things up. so, it kind of increases volunteerism, and giving back. also, a lot of what sixdegrees.org has been about is finding grassroots, you know, organizations, not huge, huge charities, but more like small groups and communities, boots on the ground that are trying to help out people in need. >> almost like a clearinghouse. you get donations and then you find directed targeted places for it to go. >> yes, yes, exactly. so the idea is to build 40,000 of these in 2024 and, you know, we're trying to raise money, going to raise hopefully a million bucks to, you know, get this happening. you know, listen, i mean, to me, one of the most exciting pieces of it is the volunteerism. giving tuesday, not everybody goes well, it has to be dollars and cents, but actually spending time doing something of a positive nature is -- it gives back both ways. my brother and i have a band, bacon brothers, we were down in alexandra and one of the first building kit events that we did, we went out and hung out with these people from this community, built 300 backpacks, going to kids in the area, and, you know it just -- it is such a -- it is such a light lift and it feels so good to do and it has such a positive impact. >> and immediate impact. >> yeah. >> so, kevin, you said we. who are the we that put together this group, and where were you in your head or in your background or in your life when you figured, you know, we ought do this, the we, we ought do this? >> well, i think, you know, going back, sixdegrees.org has been around since 2007. and when i, you know, came to new york, suitcase and a dream, trying to be an actor, i -- there was no we. it was just me, you know what i mean. i was 100% in on k.b., on my hunger to, you know, make a lot of money and become famous and see my name in lights and all those things. that is sort of an essential element, i think, of becoming a performer, you know, an actor. we have to be -- have this self-involved thing. at a certain point, when i had children and i kind of grew up and i would read the newspaper and i would see that, you know, the things that were happening in the world, i thought, well, i got to step outside of me, you know, a little bit, and i looked at paul newman and, you know, what he had done with the tomato sauce and the pizza and all the popcorn, salad dressing, all those things, he's staring back from the refrigerator and i thought, you know, that's cool. like, that's something that is -- he's taken this incredible, you know, gift that he has, and this incredible success he's had, and he's figured out a way to kind of spin it and turn it around and market it and make it into something positive. so, i was kind of scratching my head about what that might be and i thought, wait a second, six degrees was this silly game. >> i love you leaned into that, by the way. >> smart embrace. >> can't avoid it, i guess. >> i was hoping it was going to go away, but it never went away, so i was -- i thought, well, you know, just embrace the beast. and went and, you know, got the domain sixdegrees.org. and then said, i don't know how to start a foundation, and so started talking to smart people. >> well, people are thinking about giving, this is a great place to do it. sixdegrees.org is the site. or you can text bacon to 707070. that's pretty easy. 707070 to join kevin and six degrees on this giving tuesday. and now working on a film with your wife kyra. that should be interesting. >> yes. >> a lot going on. >> a lot going on. >> thanks for allot

Related Keywords

Issues , Lawmakers , Show , Running Out Of Time , Holidays , Urgency , Senator Schumer , Course , Reporting , Morning , Fate , Congress , Grace , George Santos , Americans , Morning Joe , Number , Hostage , Thanks , Neighborhood , Tuesday Morning , Way Too Early , Proof Of Life , Ten , One , Information , National Security Council , Firm , Eight , Nine , Hamas , Pause , Hostages , Latest , In Gaza , Release , John Kirby , Girl , American , Uptate , 4 , Mother , College Students , Burlington , Victims , Descent , Plus , Update , Vermont , Palestinian , Rematch , Donald Trump , Issue , Campaign , Pledge , Wasn T Bad Enough , 2016 , 2020 , Israel , Something , People , Lead , Wall Street Journal , Same , The New York Times , Mika , Chord , Swap , Two , Lot , Process , Negotiating , Joe Biden , Stage , Players , Cases , The World Stage , Everything , Oman , World , Ukraine , Line , Rest , Fronts , Stake , Wars , Global Security , Somebody , Student , Experience , Someone , Wins , Geopolitically , Losses , 40 , 50 , Point , Problems , Mind , Levels , Somebody Name , Em , Emotion , You Name , Guy , Door , Willie , Diplomacy , United States Government , Rocker , Vice President , Chiefs , Staff , Constitution Of The United States , Chairman , Deserved Hanging , Orban Running Turkey , Leaders , Barack Obama , World War Ii , Running Hungary , C Voters , White House , 20 , Way , World War , Thoughts , Sense , Benjamin Netanyahu , Calm , Rihaass , Truce , Officials , Sides , Qari , End Quote , Deal , Terrorists , Results , British Government , Fighting , Hasn T , Names , Richard Engel , Extension , Aid , Nbc News , Tel Aviv , Reporter , Bombing , Prisoner Exchanges , Play , Looks , Gaza Strip , 11th Hour , Mission , 11 , Terms , Egypt , Qatar , Jails , Palestinian Prisoners , Three , Question , Military Campaign , Note , Dozens , Advisors , Caution , Groups , Pressure , Handle , Situation , Htas , 48 , Children , Criminals , Side , Kind , Prisoners , Twins , 3 , Women , A , Exchange , Idea , Minors , Soldiers , Men , Some , Others , Duty , Reserves , Uniform , Serving , Numbers , Level , Militant , Price , Example , Troops , Amount , Stretch , Custody , Imagination , Offenses , Laws , Incitement Laws , Frustration , Joe , Government , This , Prime Minister , Statement , Goal , News , Front , Page , Peter Baker , Lead Story Written By , Urging , Done , Breathing Space , Negotiating Pause , Richard Haass , Salute , Region , Diplomats , Team , Skills , Bombardment , Deals , Israelis , Allies , Neighbors , Cease Fire , Peace , Arab , Administration , Aren T , Abraham Accord Process , Things , Emphasis , Shift , War Against Hamas Second , Public , Hostages Won T , Guess , Wouldn T , Resumption , Accounting , Military Operations , Case , Secretary Of State , Piece , Action , Casualties , Populations , Attacks , Kinds , Policies , Ways , Country , Walter Don T , Lessons , Special Forces , Afghanistan , Patient , Hurry , Hair , Don T Go In Big , Iraq , Syria , 2006 , 2003 , 07 , Footprint , Back Terror Groups , Opportunities , Terrorist , Isis , Hopes , Reality , Child Labor Laws , Authorities , New York State , Backing Off , Jonathan Lemire , Birthday , Studio , Age , It , Yes , Attorney General , Congratulations , Son , Matters , 18 , 19 , William Burns , Development , Cia , Talks , Blinken , Focus , Podium , Fighting Down , Seven , Conditions , Many , Moving Parts , Whereabouts , Shooting , Charges , Suspect , Investigation , Break , Returns , Attempted Murder , 60 , Bunny , Sesame , Calm Down Taco , Dog Barks , Archie , Ahhhh , Flight , Sit Duchess , Threats , Pay , Businesses , Liberty , Millions , Rate , Ahhhhh , Attack , Cyber Criminals , Network , Toolkit , Cloud , Security , Background , Speaker , Chip , At T Business , 24 7 , Murdereaton , Counts , Law Enforcement , Cause , Degree , Affidavit , Bail , Eaton S , Police , Scene , Ammunition , Type , Handgun , Apartment , Rounds , Agents , Group , Victim , Scarves , Walk , Shooter , Friends , Fire , Hisham , Strength , Character , Determination , Health , Ability , Difference , Trinity College , Brown , Yup , Hate Crime , Shot , The Street , Conclusions , Fbi , Guys , Home , Uncle , College , Indications , Coming Home , Likelihood , Tragedy , Weekend , Hometown , Clothing , Night , They Haven T , Movie , Bullet Casings , Leap , Death , Hate Crimes , Stabbing , Gut Wrenching , Palestinian American Boy , Illinois , 6 , Fact , October 7th , Anti Semitism , Rise , Disgusting , 7 , Population , Jews , Muslim , 02 5 , 2 , Attention , In My Eyes , Love , Care , Protection , Ones , Jewish American , Russia , Prayers , Negotiations , Head , Importance , Doha , Bill , Role , Diplomat , Ambassador , Official , Principal , Adviser , Jordan , Middle East , Career , Hostage Type Negotiations , Mossad , Go Betweens , Foreign Policy , Support , Intelligence , State Department , Attitude , Hostage Negotiations , Editorial , Rub , Relationship , Guidance , All Of Us , Talk , Over Washington D C , Countries , Thought , Tension Points , Senators , Military Systems , Bernie Sanders , States , Points , Democrats , Israel Hamas War , Judgments , West Wing , Partner , Term , Netanyahu , Doesn T , Giving Medicare , Pole Polls , Coming Up , Molly Jong Fast , Stakes , Electorate , Guests , Argument , Snapshot , Vanity Fair , 2024 , Polls , Step , News Events , Place , Store , Doc , Root Canal , Godaddy , Taxes , Gusto , Payroll , Spain , Clicks , Run Payroll , Jason Eaton , Golo , 228 , Plan , Weight , Nation , Prescription Drugs , Habits , Golo Com , Earth , President , Families , Behalf , Interests , Profits , Record , Big Pharma , Capping , Politicians , Prescription Drug Costs , Drug Prices , Drug Costs , Seniors , 35 , 5 , Billionaire , Corporations , Costs , Share , Tax Rate , 2000 , 000 , Message , Back , Schoolteacher , Firefighter , Half , Obamacare , Plans , On Social Media Saturday , The Sun , Election , Alternatives , Republican , Frontrunner , Biden Versus , Indictments , Suit , Four , 250 Million , 50 Million , Health Care Plan , Threat , Time , Oval Office , Followthrough , Part , Agenda , Campaign Adviser , Elsewhere , Tactic , Television Ads , Everyone , Alternative , Debate , 2010 , 2009 , Party , Here We Go Again , When , 1990 , Health Care , Hillary Clinton , Clintons , Champion , Five , Six , Prime , Boxer , Is , Figure , 2011 , 41 , 1941 , Foundation , Aides , Kaiser , 2023 , Poll , 56 , 55 , Law , Books , Wayback Machine , Effort , Floor , Senate , John Mccain , 2017 , Trump , Replacement Plan , Birth , Meme , Portions , Politics , Fox News , Hyperright , Living In The Past , Echo Chamber , Voters , Commentators , Word , Base , Winner , Lives , Calls , Campaign Surrogate , Nancy Pelosi , Democracy , January 6th , History , Out Of Step , Rhetoric , Hezbollah , Stuff , Erdogan Running Turkey Or , Run Turkey , Sort , I Don T Know , Love Letters , Gosh , Socon Fu , Brilliant , President Xi , Kim Jong Un , Approval Ratings , 12 , 62 , January Of 2017 , President Of The United States , Chances , January Of 2019 , 2019 , Re Election , Singlehandedly , Roe Versus Wade , Places , Midterms , Rioters , Mike Barnicle , Conversation , Host , Correspondent , Friend , Msnbc , Fast Politics Podcast , Fits , Opponent , Thesis , Presidency , Path , Odds , 90 , 78 , 99 , Narrative , News Cycles , Obsession , Engine , Accuracy , Chance , Table , Winning , Summer , Danger , Hatred , Needles , Obsessions , 98 4 , Coverage , Roll Tide , Alabama , 31 , 99 9 , Homestretch , Wisconsin , 13 , Enough , State Polls , Upper Midwest , Molly , Voting Booths , Insanity , Networks , Name , Data , 00 , The End , God , Thinking , Headline , Comet , Bike , Margin , Link , Delaware , Think , Second , Minds , Dangerous Man , Terror , Crazy , Human Beings , Thing , Tide , Swimming , Kentucky , Virginia , Nobody , Picture , People Like Us , Sunset , Top , Aspect , Bottom , Principal Interest , Mike , Like Obamacare , Weaponization , House Committee , List , Reconvening , Correct , Benefits , It Fefits , Ben , Saw , Elections , Didn T , Election Night , Panic , Red Wave , Can T Eclipse International Law , Ballot , Events , People Aren T , Bornstein Idea From The 60s , Substance , Shadows , Data Point , Shouldn T Drive Coverage , Impact , Consequences , Gap , Lines , Bit , End Zone , Yard Line , Being , George Herbert Walker Bush , The Home Front , Them , Energies , Mothers , Peace Deal , Sons , Problem , Politician , Deaths , Husbands , Deployments , Bombs , Praise , Complaint , Edo , Don T Go Off , Mistake , Iran , He Weren T Working Around The Clock , China , Voter , Vote , Major , Economy , Enemies , Abigail Idan , Cousin , Aunt , Captivity , Ordeal , Young American Israeli Girl , Images , Chris Christie , Troop , Trip , Charge , Menu Lineup , Series , Number One , Subs , Philly , Monster , Fifteen , Naming , Titan Turkey , Subway , The Boss , Doctor , Help , What Medicare Doesn T , Unitedhealthcare , Aarp Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan , Medicare Supplement , Decision Guide , Patients , Call Unitedhealthcare , Medicare , Anywhere , Specialist , Music , Accenture , Walking Tree , Business , Location , Sunlight , Pursuit , Reinvention , Counter , Singlecare , Prescription , Pharmacy , Singecare Com , Try , Condition , Urologist , Treatment Plan , Pd , Curve , Surgery , Peyronie S Disease , Stop Typing , Visit Makeapdplan Com Today , Jimmy Carter , Rosalynn Carter , Glen Memorial Church In Georgia , Tribute Service , First Lady , 53 , Wall , Bill Clinton , Kamala Harris , Gentleman , First Ladies , Funeral , Plains , Repose Yesterday , Casket , Carter Presidential Center In Atlanta , Baptist Church In Plains , Carters , Capitol Hill , Mike Johnson , Holiday , Expulsion , House Speaker , Length , Comments , Social Media , Expulsion Vote , Talki , Options , Posting , Nothing , Resigning , Efforts , Karen Pierce , Kevin Bacon , British , Kick , Sh Ore Confidence , Sunday Shoes , Medicare And Medicaid , My Name , Damion Clark , Libre 2 , Freestylelibre Us Hi , Special Needs , Options Allowance , Area , Medicare Advantage , Whatever , Month , Card , Spend , Allowance , Over The Counter Items , Groceries , Utilities , Brent , Doctors , Hospitals , Pharmacies , Rides , Screen , Appointments , Humana , Story , Human Way , Healthcare , Writers , Airline , Communities , Startup , Technologies , Architects , Innovation Labs , 160 , Bank , Box , Bonkers , More , Shouldn T , Gifts , Toy , Saving , Ooh , Chewy , Prices , Linda , Leaf Blower , Honey , Aren T Just Pets , Pet , Excitement , Turtleneck , Unwrap , Comcast Commerce Street , Gdp , Cup , Cord , Cha Ching , 0 1 , Event , Chocolate Ones , Slot Coins , Coins , Celebration , Rain Down , Caesars In Vegas , Atlantic City , Times , Angel , Sunday Today , Chocolate Coins , Wings , Mug , Mugs , None , Cold , Hard Cash , It S A Wonderful Life , Birthday Boy , Daddy , Tuesday , November 28th , 28 , Tuesday November 28th , Alex , Baby Face , 15 , 44 , 32 , Have , 69 , Territory , Hostage Releases , Prisoner , Evening , Ratio , 30 , 8 , 9 , Least , Reasons , Office , Negotiator , Perimeter Fence , Anything , Kibbutzes , Fault , Category , Security Prisoners , Antony Blinken , West Bank , Nato , Headquarters , Return , Stop , Meetings , Dubai , Belgium , Need , Secretary , Protections , Improvement , Civilians , Balancing Act , New York , War , Condemnation , Depravity , Secretary Blinken , Foreign Secretary , Foreign Minister , Approach , Sunak , No Doubt , David Cameron , Self Defense , Each Other , Terrorist Attack , October , Accordance , 7th Of October , Escalation , Rule Of Law Don T , Has , North , Phrase , Pauses , Beyond , Suffering , Let , Israel S Borders , Madame , Doubt , Confidence , Gains , Commitment Level , Kyiv , Europe , Ukrainians , Opposition , Proposition , Voices , Breakthrough , Commitment , Meeting , Solidarity , Pledges , Defense Equipment , Talking , The Hill , Conundrum , Difficulty , Quotation Marks , Killing Jews , Partners , Finger , Run Gaza , Israelis Reoccupy Gaza , Palestinian Authority , U N , Saudi , Two State Solution , Ideal Solution , Stability , Safety , Side By , Palestine , Scenario , Deterrence , Say , Military Objective , Leadership , Drive Hamas Out Of Gaza , Goals , Task , Questions , Governments , Step A Over B There , Hamas Cannot , Israelis Cannot Reoccupy Gaza , Court , Stephanie Gosk , Details , Family , It Svoked Attack , Murder , Kinnan Abdalhamid , Inclusive Community , Awartani , Ahmed , Arabic , Arab Scarves , Stable , Hoodie , Firing , Piston , Life , Parents , Crime , Prognosis , Ramallah , Erin Mclaughlin , Reason , Hateful Act , Eaton , Increase , Volume , Islamophobic , Incidents , Spike , Frequency , Hate , Protests , Islamophobia , Pills , Lip Service , Palestinian American , Dean , Values , International Affairs , Princeton , Father , Students , Freedom , High School , Dream , Education , Dignity , Kid , Liberal , Investigations , Feet , Correspondent Tom Winter , Theory , Group Of Three Men , Motive , Street , Keffiyehs , Walking , Cell Phones , Documents , Backpack , Hard Drives , Ipad , Investigators , Lawyer , Writing , Agent , Answer , Discussion , Atf , Individuals , Law Enforcement Perspective , 100 , Revolver , Red , Room , Manufacturer , Caliber , Drawer , Ballistics , Gun Hasfingerprint , There , Statements , Identification , Evidence , Person , Neighbor , Individual , Detail , Sketch , 911 , Forensics , Ton , Phones , Software Tool , Purchaspurchased , Shotguns , Drives , Devices , Allegedlyn The Shooting , Rifles , Look , Contacts , Court Documents , Records , Residence , Job , Handful , Police Departments , Eyes , Traffic , Parking Tickets , Vermont Law Enforcement , 1998 , Know , Around The World , On Sunday , Steps , Hand , Proof , Vacuum , Community , Sensitivities , Buddies , Heads , Hate Crime Charges , College On Thanksgiving , Family Members , American Girl , Foreigner , Investigations Correspondent Tom Winter , John Eastman , Trial , Attorney , Interference , Symptoms , Guest , Push , Relief , Adults , Studies , Medicines , Highs , Lows , Episodes , Bipolar , Vraylar , Manic , 1 , Reaction , Behavior , Risk , Muscles , Changes , Antidepressants , Confusion , Stroke , Fever , Dementia , Side Effects , Muscle Movements , Restlessness , High Blood Sugar , Sleepiness , Weight Gain , Cholesterol , Coma , Stomach , Movement Dysfunction , Libraries , Schools , Abbvie , Amendment , Book , Power , Book Banning , Viewpoints , Shelf , Censorship , Freedom Of Speech And Expression , American Civil Liberties Union , Right , Rights , Manner , Myaclu Org , 63 , 0 63 , Move , U S Constitution , Guardian , Aclu , Free Speech , Eforms , We The People , Credit Card , T Shirt , Speech , Puerto Rico , Stop Taking Jardiance , Pill , Type 2 Diabetes , Body , Sugar , A1c , Day S Staaart , Seee , Ketoacidosis , Infection , Urinary Tract Infections , Heart Disease , Dehydration , Genital Yeast , Kidney Function , Jardiance May , Perineum , Insulin , Blood Sugar , Skin , Dialysis , Sulfonylurea , Abigail Edan , Arms , Little Abigail , Terrorist Group On Sunday , Hostage Exchange Agreement , Siblings , Gunman , Liz Hirsh Neftali , Great Aunt , Closet , 14 , Noa Neftali , Joy , Reunion , Child , Trauma , Cousins , Hospital , Blessing , Woman , Abigail Back , Hope , Grandparents , Back To School , Doing , Holding On To Hope , Agony , Society , Terror Attack , Work , Fathers , Daughters , Hamas Capticaptivity , Who , N , Space , Last , Food , There Wasn T Proper Food , In The Dark , They Weren T , Combination , Opportunity , Family Space , Abigail To Share , Isolation , Nursery School With , Loved Ones , Facing , Little Girl , Anybody , Unknown , Grandfather , No One , Family Prepare , Forward , Helping Abigail , Hug , Child Process , Family Try , Circumstances , Abigail A , Hostage Families , Warmth , Outpouring , Affection , 52 , Lots , Cropping Up , Brother , Therapy Programs , Sister , First , Stories , It Wasn T A Family Before October 7th , Relationships , Everybody , Jobs , Georgia Election Case , Splitting , Lawyers , Request , Possibility , Judge , Warning , Crisis , Elector , Player , Plot , 38 , Defendants , Quote , Deadline , Filing , United States Secret Service , Twogrou , Fmer , Jury Trial , District Attorney , Co , August 5th , Joyce Vance , Hearing , Trial A Thinly Veiled , Trials , Substack , Motion , Preview , Fani Willis , Flippers , Basis , Plea , Something Else , Don T Flip , Advance , Delays , State Case , Pardon Proof , Pardon , Governor , Department , Justice , Words , Estate , Commission , Rails , Backdrop , Secret , Timing , Appeals , Special Counsel , Emotions , The March Trial , Cascading , Domino Effect , Manhattan D A , Instance , Supremacy Clause , Another , Cannon , Unwillingness , Tranches , Hail Mary , Fascinating , 2025 , Jay Michael Ludig , Analyst , Board , Organization , Rule Of Law Institute , George Conway , Opinion Piece , Mr , Barbara Comstock , Trump Threat , Title , Coterie , Him , Youwre , Movement , Crowd , Federalist Society , Bearer , Grifters , Frauds , Con Men Wli To Subvert The Constitution And Long Established Constitutional Principles , Period Ofcrisis , Faed , Profession , Indictment , Actions , Normal , Whims , Political Expediency , Constitution Ts , Causes , Supports , Reckoning , Abdication , Constitution , Incentivizes , Concerns , Works , Guardrails , Baseline , Crew , Conduct , Essay , Frankly , Consequence , Peril , Pillars , American Democracy , Oath , Result , Particular , Positions , Exercise , Excesses , Luttig , Kelly , Chief Of Staff , 500 , 0 , 79 , 10 , 36 , 77000 , 49 , October 7 , 880 , 80 , 24 , January 2017 , January 6 , 735 , 8000 , 100000 , 00000 , 1 2 , 240 , 84 , 173 , 150 , A Thousand , 3 5 Billion , 1 5 Billion , 2012 , 5 Million , 8 5 Million , 9 Million , A Million , Plus 50 , December 13th , 91 , 2008 , 350 , 2007 , 2015 , 140 , 600 , October 6th , 1200 , 1400 , March 4th , 40000 , A Million Bucks , 300 , 707070 ,