tarts right now. greetings everyone, you are watching symone. republicans may officially be in charge of the house of representatives. but democrats, they appear to be the only party interested in doing any governing. what are republicans doing? while they are trying to start fights with each other. and, even with a witness to the committee hearing. are they just to emotional to lead? and don't forget, congressman george santos facing potential expulsion, again. we will dig into a historically weird, wild, and just unfortunate week on capitol hill. plus, fulton county d.a. fani willis sets a date for donald trump's georgia election, interference trial. a few months before election day. what that means for him legally, and politically. and, why it is so hard for judges to rein in trump's dangerous trial rhetoric. and, tiktok is back in the hot seat folks, after hosts sympathizing with terrorists of some of bin laden went viral. how do we get here? and, what is tiktok doing about it? i am symone sanders-townsend, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ many of our elected leaders in congress showed us who they really are this week. and i think we should all be concerned about republicans, particularly republican men, how they have been acting. and, how republicans writ large refused to gather and. let's take it to a wild and weird week on capitol. first, a government shutdown was averted, for now on thursday. president biden signed a funding resolution to keep the government afloat, until early next year. it was less than 24 hours before the shutdown deadline. now, the house passed republican speaker mike johnson's proposal for a short term resolution on tuesday. and, that's a different funding deadlines for different agencies, which speaker johnson calls a laddered continuing resolution. 93 house republicans voted against the resolution. it only passed, thanks to the 209 democrats who were willing to work across the aisle, if it meant not interrupting the paychecks of millions of federal workers. the bill got more support from house democrats then members of the speaker's own party. that's because more and, more congressional republicans, they are embracing partisanship over productivity, fighting among themselves, fighting their colleagues, fighting witnesses at congressional hearings. but, not fighting for the people who pay their salaries. let's take a look at the events from last tuesday alone, beginning with audio republican congressman tim brigette confronting former speaker kevin mccarthy, for allegedly elbowing him. >> why did you album in the back? >> i didn't. >> that's the reporter said it, right there. look at that kind of a chicken move is that. >> your pathetic. you are so pathetic. >> thank you. >> you would like a summer, you are just what -- >> you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here. >> okay that's fine, perfect. >> you are doing now? >> i love to do it right. now >> we'll stand your butt up. then >> you state your butt. up >> hold it hold it, stop and. >> hold it. >> all of that, in just one day. and while any other lawmaker of color, or a woman frankly, or a member of the squad would likely be accused of being too emotional to lead if they acted like, this or unprofessional, these members, they are not even sorry. in fact, these numbers are proud. senator markwayne mullin, who you just saw ready to throw hands in the halls of congress, in a committee hearing, he is about to take office's wedding ring. he has been gleefully posting about the heated exchange on social media. including a photo of him talking a gun while standing over fire uppercuts ammunition. the caption, let's do it, any place, anytime. >> less than an hour after the exchange. ask yourself, what would happen if congresswoman ilhan omar did that. he's even making money off of this. the senator is selling t-shirts that say anytime, in place. acting badly and embarrassing your country, apparently can be lucrative, folks. the fact is that for most congressional republicans, reaching across the aisle is no longer a part of the job description. but, their majority is so slim that they can hardly pass anything on their own. that has led to outbursts like this one. >> one thing. i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one, that i can go campaign on and say we did. one! anybody sitting in the complex, if you want to come down to the floor and come explained to me, one material meaningful significant thing, the republican majority has done. >> now make no mistake, congressman roy is a major region the house is so unproductive. but even a broken clock is right twice a day. so far, only 21 bills passed the house that had become law. and thanks to republican grandstanding, the re-118th congress is on track to be the least productive since the great depression. for comparison, the last divided congress, with a democratic house and republican senate, passed 68 bills signed into law, by the president at the same point in that term. that is more than three times the current congress. there may be new deadlines for funding the government, but the same problem still persists. it's not that republicans are incapable of governing, folks. i think it's actually worse. congressional republicans are choosing not to governor. we are reaching across the aisle used to be an imperative, it is now considered a betrayal. what used to be collaborative is now a winner take all, zero sum game. but the losers of that game, those are the american people. and frankly, democracy itself. my political panel joins me now. could -- is a political reporter for -- . jennifer reuben is an msnbc political analysts, and an opinion writer for the washington post. naira -- is a former state department senior adviser. and former white house senior director, and former republican congressman david jolly is with us. he is an msnbc political analyst. thank you. congressman, we had the ladies hold down the studio today. -- i want to start with you, because this was a crazy and chaotic week. let's talk about the government funding deadlines. what are you hearing from members? what is going to be different come january or february? because, it seems like they are in a very precarious position. >> they are, and what i'm hearing is that in january, it is going to be a madhouse. just because of pushing the deadline to earlier in january, doesn't really say face or address the issues that they are having right now. members of congress can't pass the appropriations bills. and that is why we are here now, because the whole just was get these 12 appropriations bills across the line. they can't do that. i don't see where things are changing now. i mean, maybe things will change, because they were given a little two-week break, i mean i attribute a lot of this chaos because they have been in session for ten weeks. we will see when they get back, to see if they can coalesce around some kind of legislation. >> you know my stepson is in school all year around, gets a break on the regular times and you, know he and his classmates seem to figure it out, he's eight. congressman, what needs to happen for this congress to be productive? is there something else that speaker johnson can do? or, are some of the members, particularly we are seeing men, male members of congress, republicans, are they just too emotional to lead? >> i like your take simone, my wife saw the events this week and said, that's a reason to elect more women. >> i've always been a fan of your wife. >> [laughter] so listen, i think we can't expect this to be a government coalition, because they've spent two decades becoming a party that believes government is the enemy, right. they traditionally where the last government coalition, and that became a no government party under the tea party. and then with donald trump, government is the enemy. so, why would we trust that they can then exercise the responsibility of governing? they can't, and to the point of january, i think we will see this play out in january. as you and i discussed last, night i think mike johnson shut the government down in january. he had a way of working with democrats in this current environment, because he could. he is not going to be able to get away with it in january. the reality is, it will take working with democrats, we saw that with the debt limit, we saw that with the -- under mccarthy, and now johnson. mike johnson cannot work with democrats in january, he has to stand up for his right. flank and as a result i think he will take the gamble shut down the government >> so if he does do this, jennifer. you wrote this week that moderate republicans, it will be moderate republicans who. if a shutdown happens. tell us why it would be moderate republicans? >> well i used the term -- i used to distinctly, moderates. because they keep insisting that they are moderates. unfortunately they simply go along with the most. extreme members of their coalition. but remember, when it came to the debt ceiling, when it came to the first shutdown threat. when it came to this one, they never stand up to the right wing. they never go to the democrats and say listen, let's make a deal, let's have an understanding for example, on aid for israel, aid for ukraine. they don't buck their own leadership, because they go through life scared to death that they are going to be primaried. and as a result, these moderates are simply spineless versions of the more radical people in the party. >> -- what role does or should the white house play in these negotiations? i remember earlier in the week, when mike johnson had a deal, or this week actually last, week and the white house came out in the cauldron serious proposal. and then, the white house change their tune, because they to realize that this was the only avenue. so, what role should they play going into january? >> while heading into january heading into 2024, which is an election year, right. so that is top of line, even though it is a rose garden strategy of having the president speak with the power of the white house podium. that is a consideration. now for president biden, much of this is going to be blaming congress, and the air apparent for the republican party, former president donald trump. the challenge is that at the end of the day, the responsibility by the constitution to figure out what to do with our tax dollars, belongs to congress. so, people need to send different members of congress who are serious, to actually make sure that our government can function. >> every member of congress of the house is up for reelection come 2024. let's talk about one of those members in particular, i'm talk about george santos. we haven't talked about him. all right, congressman santos announced that he would not be seeking reelection next year. but for some of his republican colleagues that exit is not soon enough. now, he made this announcement after the house ethics committee released a damning report on santos's use of campaign funds. committee chairman michael guest of mississippi introduced the resolution to expel santos from congress. this is what the report found. it was kind of wild. santos used campaign funds for sixth grand unfair ghana, more than $4,000 at hermes, more than 2000 in atlantic city, and had a rent, credit card payments, 1400 dollars on botox. he also spent money on onlyfans and at sophora. oh my! a number of republicans have come out in favor of expulsion, but it takes a two thirds vote. kadia what, is going to happen come post thanksgiving, when members go back on monday, and who say? is george santos going to be expelled from congress? >> i think the likeliness is yes, just because not only republicans are saying that they will vote this time to expel him, but democrats who stood by the notion that you know, we have to wait until there is some kind of report, or he is convicted. they are turning and saying that no, it is time for him to go. i spoke to, we were the first to report that he was going, not going to seek election. i think he has been prepared for this for sometime now. i think he was prepared the last, time and was probably surprised that it didn't happen. i think he is prepared that it will happen this time. >> i mean, i would like to use their main time in this panel to just talk to the onlyfans, the sophora, and i mean. >> do you really think he is the only one, right who has been missing campaign funds? considering how much time members of congress now have to spend on the phone, raising dollars. like, the system is now designed that you have to raise millions of dollars to represent a community of what, 500,000 or so people? so in a system like that, i am sure it is rife with ethics violations. his challenges that he has been so over the top, right. that. the >> lies, that proceeded. this >> volleyball championship, the schools he didn't attend. >> the jew-ish. >> right, all of that. >> but you know for someone who spent this much on botox, on you know you know where i'm going on, this on cosmetics, on close. shouldn't he looked better? >> i'm not going to do it, but i did like those red -- i mean they were cute, he wore them on speaker day. >> he did. >> in congress. lucky for you all, david jolly, i'm not going to ask you about the botox. but, everyone is staying here so, don't worry, we will be right back, because we have more to discuss. everybody but kadia. we kadia thank you for your time, and your reporting. we will see you very soon. coming up folks, there are growing calls for a cease-fire in gaza, as civilian casualties climb. but president biden, in a new op-ed, says the goal should not simply be to stop the war today, but to end it forever. and we know donald trump will be spending 2024 both on the campaign trail, and in the white house -- we will talk to our legal guru about the significance of a new proposed trial date, in the georgia interference case. but first, our bestie is here. my colleague richard lui, with today's other top news stories. richard, what's going on out there in the world? 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>> simone, the reality is, the traditional political lines around support for israel and our alliance with israel are getting blurred. but only around the edges. the core alliance between the u.s., the west, and israel, remains intact. i think that is the posture you are seeing joe biden take. which is to still provide the aid and assistance to israel, so they can execute the war against hamas. but to also be careful that they are attending to the global outrage at times, about the loss of civilians in palestinian communities. i think the important thing for democratic activists around this issue to get their arms around is this, israel is not going to stop until hamas is defeated or surrenders, and the hostages are accounted for. joe biden could walk on water, dribbling a basketball, and he's not going to change that outcome. so what can be addressed? it is the brief cease-fires, it is the opportunity to get people out of the area. and i think where the u.s. and other western nations can lead, is with an arab alliance that creates a refuge for people leaving gaza. our arab partners right now, to the extent we have them, are not being accommodating to that type of plan. but it is an area where the west can still lead. >> nayyera, look, the presidents top middle east advisor, brett mcgirk, is in the region. he's visiting the region this week. he specifically trying to work towards a hostage deal, secretary blinken has been back to, not just israel, but i numbering of the arab countries a number of times. what kind of diplomacy is happening behind the scenes? conversations potentially going on at the state department. do you think that the state department, separate from the white house, i know the white house is thinking about what's happening dismissed dickey. but is the state department thinking about these protests that they're seeing outside in the streets of not just washington d.c., but all over the country? >> this isn't even a challenge for secretary blinken, he has now been thrown into a conflict that is the worst conflict we've seen in decades. yet, it is also a region where negotiated's have spent their entire careers trying to make something change. so he's trying to -- in this moment, heading into political silly season. in addition to be being part of an administration that said it's going to put human rights first. a foreign policy that is accessible and for the middle class. they are keenly aware of what americans of all stripes and persuasions are feeling. but what they are not going to navigate in this moment is the immediate things they can get to help people on the ground. so what does it mean to have jordanians and egyptians at the table? who is now a trusted interlocutor for these negotiations? is it the qataris, is it somebody else? the united states is, while it has relationships with the palestinian authority, has declared to hamas a terrorist organization. hamas is not going to sit down at the table with the united states. so the regional alliances are going to be critical at this moment to save civilian lives. going to be >> jennifer, i thoue presidents op-ed was something you've heard him say, especially in recent weeks, but i found it notable that he felt the need to put it on paper for the american people to see, framing this as a complete issue of democracy, whether it's russia and ukraine or israel and hamas. what do you think about that flight ming? and just just a composed with the other people who could become the next president of the united states, donald trump. >> that would be a complete nightmare. that's the man who wants to strike iran and set up a nuclear war in the middle east. so that's unimaginable. i think president biden is trying to do three things. sometimes one part or another part of that message gets lost. so in making a very long op-ed, and it was a long piece, he's able to spell out those three components. one is israel's right to defend itself, two is the necessity of protecting palestinians lives. and we have made some progress, for example, israeli has allowed fuel in, which they previously were not because they were concerned as hamas would be starting it off. and third of all, i think this has become more important as time has gone on, the emphasis on what happens the day after. president biden has become increasingly clear that he expects a two-state solution after the fighting is done. he expects some kind of government other than israel to re-occupy, to maintain order in gaza, and that beyond that, there has to be some kind of solution. otherwise, this tension, this warfare, just repeats itself again and again. >> it is something we will be watching. i can't believe it's 43 days into this war. congressman, there was some other developments this week, president biden met with chinese president, xi jinping, in person at the apex summit in san francisco. they're meeting happened outside of san francisco. in a yearlong silence and rising tensions between the two. i am wondering how will this summit, or is it being received, by congressional republicans? i think china is the one issue where democrats and republicans in congress, they can all agree. >> this is where the art of congressional politics is so much easier than being president of the united states. and dealing with real diplomacy and international politics. this was a big success for communications to now be opened up between the two leaders to say we agreed to pick up the phone and call each other. it's a big deal. that is actually how diplomacy works. and the art of congressional politics, nothing will be good enough. and house republicans in particular intend to use china as the bogeyman, and blame joe biden for everything, all of the leverage that china might have. but, the contrast is clear in a presidential election. do you trust the steady hand of joe biden working with china, or the bull in the china shop that is donald trump? i think the american voters know where to come down on that one. >> nayyera, quickly before we go, do you think that this meeting is going to prompt to any movement from president xi jinping to maybe nudge his allies, his friend, russia, or his friend, iran? >> it certainly -- we know that china is looking to maintain economic security on the world stage. it uses economic coercion to get away with its agenda. now, putin and china have this in common. they do not believe democracy works. but at the end of the day, china and the united states have a far stronger relationship, whether it's the history, or our economy. so she jinping is going to have to make his choices. >> he's going to have to make his choices. we will be watching. thank you all so much, jennifer rubin, nayyera haq, congressman david jolly, former congressman, it's very good to see you. tell your wi-fi say greetings. i appreciate you all. up next, donald trump's presidential campaign is on a collision course with the courts. fulton county district attorney, fani willis, is asking for a trial date that is three months before the election. how in the world is that going to work? i'm going to ask a legal expert, next. next truggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? 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you've got d.a. fani willis, she has now officially requested in august 2024 start. that is right between the republican national convention, and election day. doou think that the judge in fulton county will consider the election, as he makes the trial schedule? and if not, why not? >> unlike the federal system, where there is deference and trying not to have trials of this type that deal with issues during the election cycle, that's not the case in state court. we really don't care what else is going on in the federal system. we want our cases tried. but also if d.a. willis indicated in the motion, prosecutors constantly have to consider defendants constitutional rights. you don't want other defendants saying two years ago, i didn't file a statutory speedy trial demand, i silicon stitches no right to a speedy trial. this is also the prosecutor putting on the record that in a delay, it would not be the fault of the state. that the state is making every motion to keep these cases tried, regardless of any political seat -- saying that the political season, or trump's involvement in the election is voluntary, and it is not relevant to either win this case should be tried, or to the constitutional speedy trial rights of the other defendants. >> why august 5th? is there any significance to that particular day? >> the assumption is, by august, by the summer of 2024, the other cases, the case scheduled in may, and the case scheduled in march should have result. and so, there won't be delays caused by those other cases. the motions for the case should be heard by that time, they're allowed to file motions, i believe, within january. the state has already provided a discovery. we know that as a matter of practice, discovery will continue to be ongoing, the closer we get to trial. but they provided the bulk of the discovery already. the defense has to provide their discovery, the evidence they intend to use in the trial to the state in december, by december 4th. and then all emotions have to be filed in january. and then it's just a matter of scheduling those motions. imagine between january and august, that leaves plenty of time for those motions to be heard, and even appealed. and then a case that for trial. >> got it. okay, it makes sense to me now. so, when it comes to the trump legal team, they have actually appealed to the protective order that was issued by judge chutkan in the federal election interference case. an appellate court is going to hear our arguments on monday, and in trump's fraud trial in new york, the narrow protective order was temporarily elected on first amendment grounds. by the way, former president trump immediately began posting about the judges locklear, again. and today, he used her full name. why is this -- melissa, to hold donald trump to the same standard as other defendants? if on one hand folks say in america no one is above the law, why does it feel like donald trump continues to get concessions? >> because we take our rights of first amendment speech very seriously. so judges, especially appellate courts, don't want to infringe on and's first amendment rights to freedom of speech, unless it's absolutely necessary, unless there is a threat or intimidation or harm caused to another person. the thing about what he is doing, the rhetoric that he places on social media, is the it's very hard for the prosecution to suppose that those are actual threats. his followers, people who follow his ideology, we'll take those words into action. showing that connection can be very difficult to say that we are going to bar your constitutional right to say what you want to say within limits. so it's the setting of those limits that becomes difficult. >> these are trying times. melissa, thank you for making this all makes sense. melissa redmon, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> we have an update now on a case involving the police killing of breonna taylor, a federal judge declared a mistrial on thursday, in the civil rights case against former louisville kentucky police officer, brett hankison. hankison was accused of violating breonna taylor's civil rights, for filing ten straight shots into her apartment in the botched raid that resulted in her death in 2020. the jury deadlocked on two charges after three days of deliberations, federal prosecutors could decide to retry him, hankinson was facing life in prison if convicted. a lawyer for breonna taylor's family vowed that they would continue to fight for justice for breonna. when we come back, folks, control of congress could hinge on the new york high court's decision on how to draw the states district maps. i will lay out why these states are so high for democrats who are trying to even the playing field for 2024. field for 2024 (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once and get closer to iconic landmarks, local life and cultural treasures. because when you experience europe on a viking longship, you'll spend less time getting there and more time being there. viking. exploring the world in comfort. the subway series? 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her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours. >> when i was going up, we did not speak about. it >> the word hysteria comes from the word hysteria, which is great for uterus. basically anything that happened with your period make you crazy. >> you can watch periodical sunday, ten pm eastern, right here on msnbc. young people were critical to that documentary, and young people are critical to the conversation, we are about to have right now. hey jen misinformation have surged online since a brutal hamas attack on israel. social media companies are facing criticism for what is happening on their platforms. nbc news correspondent, miguel and manga, has the details of one particularly alarming trend on tiktok. >> tiktok removing the hashtag, letter to america, from its search function, after a flood of viral videos showed u.s. users sharing the words penned by osama bin laden after 9/11. which includes antisemitic language, and condemns u.s. support for israel. >> it's wild. >> after the content was widely shared on multiple platforms, the white house said there is never a justification for spreading the repugnant, evil, and antisemitic lies that the leader of al-qaeda issued just after committing the worst terrorist attack in american history. tiktok, adding, content promoting this letter clearly violates our rules on supporting any form of terrorism. vowing to remove the posts. >> something can go viral, as we've said, incredibly quickly. and if a fact check is coming through 24 hours after a piece of content has gone viral, and already received hundreds of millions of views, at that point, it's very hard to put the genie back in the bottle, so to speak. >> with millions of views on tiktok, the institute for strategic dialogue says, references to letter to america also spiked on acts more than 738 million impressions across that platform. >> joining me now, olivia julianna, an activist and digital strategist and victor shi, strategy director for voters of tomorrow and co-host of the ai-jen podcast. all right, y'all are already know how i feel about this thing right here. olivia, it feels like in recent years that several states, not even just feels like, several states have -- they've implemented this vague divisive concept laws, and the laws they prevent teachers from discussing difficult concepts, concepts like the israel-hamas war. so, the question is, is this like a media literacy issue or is this an education issue overall? because it's hard to think critically about what you are seeing, while you don't have any context about what it is you are actually looking at. >> i think it's an education issue, i think it's a media issue, i think it's a conversational issue. i think we've all very clearly seen in the israel hamas conflict playing out online, and from the testimonies from people who are all over the world in the last few days, and the last few weeks. and i think that what was happening on tiktok, i've been a content creator for three years now, when it comes to politics, is i think the people we saw engaging with this letter, in an agreeable way, are people who are not traditionally engaged in politics or traditionally engaged on middle eastern issues that have been brought up in the last few years. i think what we saw are people who are not familiar, who know that there is something very deeply upsetting to people going on in the world right now, and are looking for reasons, and they're looking for information about it. they happen to find something that is full of a very hateful extreme ideology. i think if there have been more media literacy in schools, and understanding what we see on social media, i think if there had been more information in schools about conflicts, not just in the united states, but around the world, that we wouldn't see people who are not traditionally engaged in the space flocking to things like letter to america. because i've seen people on both sides of this different issue, come out and condemn people who were praising osama bin laden, saying this is not representative of people weo trn this area. >> i mean, victor, it was very confusing to me. it was straight-up misinformation. it made me think about all of the families who lost someone on 9/11. you know what, this misinformation, it's not new. this misinformation is not just happening on tiktok, it's happening on facebook, it's happening on the site formally known as twitter. and i think nowadays, we should be thinking about some solutions. there are a lot of politicians, including republican presidential candidate, chris christie, who said that the situation is to just ban tiktok. i don't know if that is actually going to solve anything. so what does an actual realistic solution? >> yeah, first of all, you are exactly right. first of all, i think we should totally condemn any single defense or justification on what osama bin laden did on 9/11. it's so -- like olivia said, they represent a very tiny extremes segment of the tiktok platform and the gen z electorate. but to your point, i don't think banning tiktok is any realistic solution. it seemed to me like a very short term -- to a very long term problem. and i think we ought to be very clear about what the solution is. in my view of that is, like olivia said, doing more to and act media literacy and information literacy. doing more to teach young people how to separate fact from fiction, truth from lies. it let's not kid ourselves, misinformation falling for conspiracy theories isn't just something that happens to young people, it happens to every generation. it goes back to the start of time. yes, social media does accelerated a little bit more, but we have people pulling for conspiracy theories throughout the generational spectrum. we have to think more about what are some of the realistic solutions than just banning tiktok. that's not going to make young people stop using social media. that's going to make people go to other social media platforms. that doesn't -- the amount of misinformation and conspiracy theories that might be spread. we're seeing this on other platforms as well. so i don't think that's a very realistic electorate nation. i think of to -- how we can craft algorithms better, think about information literacy in a more sustainable way. >> olivia, as you look towards 2024, what is heavy on your mind when it comes to young voters, young people online? >> i look for -- what we look for in 20 2020, the same exact thing, the spread of disinformation and misinformation. whether it's fake news, in a way, being spread on purpose, on accident. i'm looking to say if we're able to mitigate some of the false narratives that are being put out there. specifically to target young people. because that is specifically what is going on, they are targeting an informed electorate to deter them from voting. >> folks should follow some young content creators to know what they're talking about like olivia julianna and victor shi. victor, i love your podcast. i will be listening. happy belated birthday, olivia. thank you both very much for your time. i will chat with you again, very, very soon. thank you out there at home for watching symone on this saturday. i am symone sanders-townsend, you can catch me right here on msnbc, weekends at four pm eastern and anytime over on peacock, where i have new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday. and for more of the show, find us on instagram, the site formally known as twitter, and tiktok. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton will start after a very quick break. so don't you go anywhere. you go anywhere (christmas music) ( ♪♪ ) weathertech gift cards have the power to wow everyone on your holiday list. offering a variety of american made products... weathertech! nice! like floorliners... cargo liner... seat protector... boot tray... cupfone... sink mat... pet feeding system... anti-fatigue comfortmat...and more. order the weathertech gift card instantly for the perfect gift at weathertech.com. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. 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