it's upended the case, upended the week, and we have put together a new video crash course of what's been going down, and why it matters. take a look. >> video recorded statements to prosecutors have leaked. >> this sort of evidence is basically how prosecutors are going to tear down trump's defense piece by piece. >> that is a devastating blow for the former president. >> sharply incriminating information. >> he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. >> the only time you want to hear somebody say the boss is not going to leave is after if third encore of a bruce springsteen concert right before the opening notes of thunder road. >> surprising? no. unhappy? yes. i'm not happy you and your colleague got to do the story. >> all his instincts told him he was defrauded, that the the election was a big fraud. >> making sure that everyone that is involved in the criminal enterprise is held responsible. >> there was a big shouting match in which rudy called me every name in the book. >> wow, this is what it's going to look like when his former allies turn against him in a fulton county court of law. >> it really should influence how we think about the election of '24. >> he said for $10,000 we will fly you down. >> they were trying to figure out this week who leaked those videos. >> there's absolutely no reason for fani willis to have leaked this. >> who's leaking the videos? i think somebody in the defense camp to whom these have been released as part of their discovery allegations of the georgia prosecutors. >> judge, i did release those videos to one outlet. >> there was no protective order in place that would prevent any defendant here from sharing any of the discovery. >> i was with my team making sure an emergency motion got filed. >> judge scott mcafee this morning gave the d.a. what she asked for, issuing a protective order barring the release of some material. >> you don't want evidence out in the ether that may or may not actually be put before a jury. >> they made the point firmly that cases are meant to be tried in courtrooms, not in the public. >> there's a lot going down, and judges do want cased tries in court, not tub lick. the witnesses in these rico cases thought their testimony was going to be secret until trial. now they're learning they can't trust them. taylor swift described in "the lucky one". you're so confused. you don't feel lucky. you just feel used. convicted trump aide jenna ellis made it clear she feels used, complaining donald trump would not pay the legal costs that she accrued working for him and learning she was not lucky after all in getting this job and getting to politically famous, making this case for trump. sometimes when they say you're lucky that's when you have to be the most concerned. taylor knows. now, will there be more leaks? today as you saw a little bit, the judge responding with the formal order to combat any leaking of more evidence. it's a response to what we showed you, where basically that maga lawyer already confessed to being the leaker, which kind of resolves the mystery unless the squluj figure out how to prevent them this assertions in these rico cases with roiling, including how another convicted trump lawyer briefed then-president trump on plans involving elector fraud that were designed to overthrow the election he had already legally lost. now, the lawyer for that lawyer -- i know, it's a lot to track when so many of trump's lawyers become convicts. the lawyer for that lawyer made news by arguing that his client, convicted trump lawyer kenneth cheseboro and other aides may not be superhelpful to the actual criminal rico case against trump. that's interesting, whether you agree or disagree, and everyone close to the case has different angles. we know that. he's a defense lawyer. but it was newsworthy. i want to show you more of what he told us right here last night. >> there was a single meeting with donald trump, and it was just a photo op as far as that goes. >> according to the "washington post" account, your client says he briefed trump. >> i don't know who is telling the post these issues. >> the source for that is the proffer session where he spoke and you attended. does it meet your recollection of that or not? >> absolutely not. >> you know donald trump lost the election, right? >> absolutely. >> yeah, and you know that there's a process -- >> i'm not a republican lawyer or democrat lawyer, i'm just a -- >> we have memos. all corroborating. it's a mystery? >> it's a mystery. >> there's no case law because it's so bonker they never had to have it litigated. >> it's boring, it's like taking a class. >> i can't speak for anyone else. i'm not bored. >> i guess i'm not talking to my wife or family because they get really bored. >> all that back and forth. the question is, what will they do with the warning shot that witnesses may not be super helpful? let's ask a prosecutor. christie greenberg is here when we're book in just 60 seconds. e) different how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? 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"the washington post" just reported this amidst all the new proffer information, that sidney powell who we just discussed and bail bondsman sidney powell were hunting for alligators together. these images are of an unrelate alligator hunt. this went down before any of the two of them had any idea they would soon become the legally hunted. we know they didn't get away when powell was getting ready for mug shot. she thought back to her alligator partner, remembering he was a bail bondsman she thought to ask her hunting partner with bond because she hunt alligators. quote, i was going ask him about a bond, but then she learned he was indicted leak her so he would be busy and she would be barred from talking to him as a fellow rico codefendant. these hunted individuals have been given more grace and sympathy than the alligators they once nted, both pleading early, getting deals to avoid jail. >> kristy this is a georgia style coincidence. what did you think when you first heard the alligator connection bringing together two georgia codefendants. >> this is what republicans mean by draining the swamp? i don't know. maybe they found the kraken somewhere along the hunt? it's interesting. i didn't know alligator hunts were a thing, but learn something new every day. >> you don't have to answering but you are on live tv. here's two legally involved people into alligator hunting. have you ever alligator hunted? >> i haven't, no. in scott hall's video, he talked about political tourism. maybe this should be on the republican docket for political tourism going forward. >> yeah, and the idea that it's in some senses a sort of a close knit community -- there is a political point this this alligator reference, that is by this point donald trump exhausted support from serious lawyers, extremist lawyers, completely politically bonkers lawyers who still follow rules, by which people who say, we're definitely going to lose this case. i'm just going to do this for prez, but i'm still going follow the rules. he was out with the powells and the bail bondsmans who were willing to go even farther. >> it's inexplicable. but like you said, it clearly is a close community of people who maybe believe in conspiracy theories and believe that, yeah, you'll find the kraken in a swamp full of alligators. >> i love a kraken reference. i hate to move off the alligators, but before i lose you we'll play one more bit of scott hall's tape. you mentioned him. let's take a look. >> please. >> they said, for $10,000 we will fly you down and wait and then fly you back. a lot of freaking money, but at the end of the day i said [ bleep ] i'd like to see the process. >> you covered the cost of that? >> i did. >> -- reimburse you for that? >> pardon my french, but i have been [ bleep ] through this whole thing. >> this is the more bizarre rando part of the defense. they chose to indict these people. we know there were others they look at that they did not indict. how does a prosecutor try to convince a jury, although this is bananas -- i don't think mr. hall was high on the list, i don't think he was going to pull off issues. not all this is equal, but pawns and foot soldiers still must be dealt with. >> well, it is still serious, them to maybe it's not as serious as donald trump surelying but it's still serious. he as part of his political tourism went to tour dominion voting equipment. that's not something the average citizen gets to do and gets access to voting machines. that's a real breach of our election integrity. that should be punished. seems like a worthy case fani willis brought, and it has real value to her, because once he pled guilty sidney powell was close to follow. building her case from the ground up has been valuable in continuing to move up the ladder. >> really fair point. and you're reminding us what you do, that you have to show the jury this. people are in jail for all kinds of things. trumpian maga idea of, it's all good, it's all whatever, nihilist, doesn't actually match precedent. i want to apologize in advance for this and to say to you, see you later, alligator. >> sorry. >> don't be. you had to do it. >> to you know the rejoinder? >> uhh. >> i don't want to put you on the spot. >> it starts after a while -- >> uh? >> crocodile. that's a thing. you don't know that? that's a thing people do. my bad, america. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> coming up we have a lot more including revelations about speaker johnson and an obama link, which is interesting. a reckoning for george santos. his former aide is my guest. a "beat" exclusive next. >> you're george santos and you have been all over the news lie about every part of your life. >> maybe. i'm not lying, okay? they made me take a lie detector test before i came in here. >> that is a covid test. >> hold on, madonna's calling me. me ian will find the true meaning of the holiday sweater. i will? because he went to michaels and got everything he needed to make a one of a kind crewneck you could never get off the rack. turn ideas into i-did-its. ♪ (holiday music) ♪ (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. turn ideas into i-did-its. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. 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said it's a politicized smear. the department of justice has an open case where santos faces 23 charges, including conspiracy, wire fraud, identity theft, credit card fraud. here's santos and two other new york congressman before this report came out. >> george santos is a fraud. he should not be a member of congress. >> new york, my district, is right next to santos' district. my voters and i are quite aware of the fraud he perpetuated. i don't need an ethics report to tell me what i already know. >> is your plan to fully serve, stay in congress? >> like i said, i'm staying in office for sure. >> he says he's staying but won't run again. congress may have other ideas about him he's legally presumed innocent, but the house ethics committee chair she has they're seeking a resolution to kick him out sooner than his retirement. a vote to expel george santos. he's calling for it to be done tomorrow. say a wilmer worked closely with santos. she was his communications director. she did resign in may after the indictment. welcome to "the beat." >> thanks for having me. great to see you again. >> great to have you. this is a big story tonight. in the ethics report, which has ethics, finding alleged lies to his own team, how much of this is consistent with your own experience, and was any of it new or surprising to you? >> some of it was new and surprise, even though there are areas that really did not surprise me. for starter just hearing about the -- he used his campaign funds for botox, sephora and then the only fans one really threw me off. but someone -- i had previously worked in campaigns and started in fundraising, and i can tell you that i -- just hearing the -- transferring those types of funds into a private account is very damning, and above all you're suppose to be using these campaign funds nor anything from office supplies to media buys, so like i said, those were some areas that surprised me but also did not surprise me. >> when you heard he's not running again, what did you think? >> i am actually, again, surprised, because he's been very, very adamant about he is innocent, he is going to run again, he's not resigning. so i think with him saying that he's resign -- excuse me, not running for re-election, that this could be a person for him to resign because there are republicans and democrats who have actually come forward and have changed their mind about another expulsion that could potentially be coming after the thanksgiving holiday. >> you have been inside not only his office but that new class of freshman offices and those conversations among staff, and as we all know, sometimes that's where the real stories are told. based on what you know, just of course your educated view, do you think he's likely to be expelled this time? >> i would not be surprised if he is expelled this time. i think there are a lot of members who have really come forward today on social media. for instance i think i saw congressman greg murphy of north carolina who is also a republican who is publicly stated that he will vote in favor of an expulsion. so i think especially between republicans and the 31 democrats who had voted a week ago to keep him in only because they wanted to wait and see what the ethics report did indeed have, and now i think it's given both parties enough information to proceed with an expulsion. so i would not be surprised if he is even gone before christmas. >> you make a fair distinction as well that the number could go up and that that early vote, which some of the new york wanted because they saw him as a huge drag on the delegationing but as you know, there has to be some level of fairness. the congress also has employees. and the notion of trying to have the ultimate sort of punishment of education expulsion, which is severe and rare before the process plays out, that did seem rushed. and this is not in defense of anyone's contact. just due process, that would seem unfair to any member of congress. now we have the report, sit a doozy. what about george santos the man? we saw the "saturday night live" impression. we became bad famous very quickly. given your knowledge of him as a person do you think any of this starts to weigh on him or change him? what do you think? >> it's really difficult to say, because, ari, i was fooled by him just like everybody else was. this was somebody in the beginning he was listening to me and taking some professional advice, and -- but as the time carried on, i was seeing someone who was not showing any kind of contrition towards his constituents and was enjoying the fame and attention that was, you know -- that continued on during his time in congress. so it's really difficult to say what he's actually thinking, because we've heard over and over again he'll say, i am human. i've made mistakes. but we're not hearing the actual apology. and so i really -- it's really difficult to say. i would assume that he is probably just -- it has to be weighing on him. i mean, between the fact that you have republican and democrat colleagues who are wanting you to be out of congress. and even if he's not expelled as you had already pointed out, he is not going to be returning in 2025 for the next congress, so -- >> as you know from your political experience, there are times where individuals will cut a deal with prosecutors and also agree to sort of leave office, get out of the way, or not run for re-election. take a democratic example in elliot spitzer in new york. do you have any indication or view from your sources and that world of former staffers of the way mr. santos, the congressman here, might decide no not run for election, because he is closer to cutting a deal? >> i think, again, just because the fact he said he's not running for re-election, this could be the first indicator we could see maybe even a deal that could play out with the courts. so anything is possible, and also i'm kind of looking forward to seeing what bowen yang has in store on "saturday night live" this weekend. >> yeah, seeing the echoes of our old boss there? my last question is the larger one. we have donald trump and the big lie. we have the fraud that has been convicted at certain levels while trump of course has not been put on trial yet in election cases. and then you have someone like santos who comes to epitomize the more extreme almost ridiculous version of it. does it say something in your view about the modern republican party and its tolerance that this individual got this far as a serial liar? >> i think it's just -- well, one, i'm just still shocked he actually got through, and the fact that you have -- you have a democrat such as robert zimmerman and even tom swazy before who had not bothered to do any type of opposition research. so it was easy for them to slip through the cracks, because there was an assumption that his district is a deep plus two, and he was able to slip through the cracks due to negligence. >> let me push you on that. you make a political point that's fair. democratic leaning, wasn't vetted, some of that came after he wonk but here we are learning new things about the speaker, the most important position in the house, because the republican party yet again on its post important post spent weeks in chaos and rushes through someone without doing the vetting. is there a larger pattern? >> there seems to be a pattern right now, and i'm hoping that these are lessons that we can take forward into the next election cycle that we start doing more vetting and start working together a little bit more. as you said, it took almost three weeks just for house republicans to come down to having someone be the speaker of the house, and it almost seems like they're going to be able to come together more quickly to expel my former boss. so it's interesting to see what will play out between now and next year. >> a former aide to indicted congressman george santos. we learn more when we go to the source. 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>> do you have bars, tim? >> we got bars. >> what are bars, tim? >> i have no idea, ari. we have stems. >> well, e 40 will tell you, but to me, bars mean either a great rhyme or sometimes just an insightful point. it doesn't even have to rhyme. >> absolutely. >> lots of bars. >> dropping gems. bars are gems. >> now i know. >> we all learn together. this is your first time on "the beat." your debut, i'm so excited. i'm going to do what we do. what do we got? >> earl stevens selection wine inside here. >> it's got the beat logo. the wine glasses, they exist. people can find them. >> i feel like an underachiever. music, wine, food. >> jealous? >> i am jealous. >> i'm going to go to you first because you're the regular, tim. you have something about this republican senator. >> i would like tommy tuberville to fall back. he's got a hold on i think 400 senior military officers because he objects to the pentagon's policy of allowing enlisted service people to get reimbursed for travel when they're seeking reproductive services out of state. and he objects to the policy. he's one senator. he has absolutely no experience in the military. he's a former football coach. he studies fizz ed in college and he came into this role and he's now at a time when we have got gaza blowing up, when we've got putin in ukraine. we have possible confrontations with china. >> and he's trying to make a big political point and interfering with the entire defense of the nation among other things. >> and it endangers national security. it upends the private lives of officers who are trying to move and get their lives in order and step into promotions that have already been promised. his own, many of his own counterparts in the senate don't support it. they have tried to find ways around. as you know, there's a long-standing tradition in the senate that allows one senator to block certain -- >> i think it's a fair fallback. very much obstruction. e 40, welcome. what's on your list, on your mind? >> oh, ai. >> ai, artificial intelligence. >> yeah, it's cool, but not when you are trying to emulate creativity, man. people like me, i'm creative. don't try to create e 40's voice. don't do that. it's not cool. >> they are doing that. >> they do it. you know, now, see, i am with it if it's like my man the doc, he lost his voice many years ago. at the peak of his career, when he was going crazy in the rap game, like the guy, you know what i'm saying. like benny siegel, his voice is not always there. that's fine, but right now, i'm going to fallback. >> tell the ai to fall back. it's interesting. earlier in the program this very night, talking about how the hollywood folks went on strike and one of their things is they don't want this robot ai to replace them. they're unionized. music is more independent. it's not one group that goes on strike and says to, you know, tim o'brien, no more bay area hip-hop for you. there's no music strike like that. but do you think there's a way you would want to see artists, musicians and others, come tomorrow and say hey, big tech, they're going to try to make money off you like they always did. there should be protections. >> there definitely should be protections. i don't know how we're going to put i togher like the weather, but we need to do that. when it comes to artists like myself and creativity and having another thing coming in and replacing the situation. >> the bots. >> yeah, tim, what do you think? you're a creator as an author. you don't want someone ai'ing your whole book. the businesses thing they can make money this way. >> you know, the youtube tool involves some artists, sia and others, who are supporting this. they're actually lending their voices to the push. i think that's a slippery slope because creativity is a very -- it's a unique thing. it will be easy for bots to appropriate creative properties, whether it's through written word, whether it's music, video, anything that sort of comes out of human hands can be sampled, and i think expropriated unless we're careful and vigilant. >> the corporations are always moving first. that said, e 40, you have done so much. we showed vp harris there. you were at the white house with the nuggets. >> warriors. >> whoa, that was a big mistake. >> don't get it twisted. >> fact checks by e 40. the warriors. people are going to know i don't know a ton about sports. you have the snoop dogg cookbook. >> the goon with the spoon, which is me. >> what keeps you so inspired to keep going in the new album? you're doing so much. not resting on laurels. as i mentioned, the new album, you have younger artists who are a lot newer to the game than you. what's got you excited now? >> i love doing music. i got the most top 200 billboard entries in had history of hip-hop. i'm going to continue to do it. i have a passion for rapping, man. >> yeah. what inspires you when you talk to the new guys? because they're in the booth with you, like i mentioned, tupac back in the day, kendrick, top of the game. you're here with some of the newer artists. they might look at you as a forefather. >> they love me because i love them. especially those who have morals and respect for themselves and trying to make a way. they made their way out of no way, but they're trying to put their money in certain places. they're trying to become moguls and have different revenue streams. they want to learn. any time i have a sitdown with a youngster, one of the main things they say is when they post it on instagram or whenever they talk to someone, i got a lot of game from the og e 40. >> i love that. we need that. we need that in music culture, in our whole culture. especially what separates people sometimes by age is more than ever. i got ten seconds left. you think tim has the right look or could he use more glitter. >>ia look raw. you're sharp. no fingerprints backwards shake. like that. no fingerprints. no evidence. yeah. >> just bars. >> no fingerprints, no evidence. >> need to turn my water into wine. >> i'm out of time. can i see chai