Radicalization. A figure with maximum street cred with extremists. Stokes fear based on racial stereotypes, accuses marginalized populations of being terrorists and then throws in more rhetorical bombs and thats where we findous today. Unchartered territory pap clear escalation in the specificity and repetition of Donald Trumps violent rhetoric in recent days. Donald trump has called for the countrys top Military Official to be executed. Donald trump targeted a court clerk with a baseless smear that throwed a gag order. Hes repeatedly gone after the prosecutors who charged him with 9 1 felony accounts in total and now attacks on White Supremacist rhetoric. On this program we try our hardest not to ever amplify his most dangerous comments but were going to play them for you here today right now, because we believe you should hear the comments from the man himself. Nobody has any idea where these people are coming from and we know they come from prisons, come from mental institutions insane asylums we know theyre terrorists. Nobody has ever seen what were witnessing right now. A very sad thing for our country. Its poisoning the blood of our country. Its poisoning the blood of our country. So much to say. Right . But what makes these comments even more dangerous is the fact that trumps rhetoric and his ideas, we know by now what happens to them. They seep into the fabric of a large swath of our country, largely people who identify as republicans. Ideas that used to be unspeakable and unthinkable becoacceptable, even party dogma. New york times reports this First Time Trump talked Ively About Shooting missiles into mexico to take out drag labs as far as his form 0er aides recall was early 2020, and the first time those comments became pub was when his second defense secretary mark esper wrote in his memoir trumped raised it with him and asked if the u. S. Could make it look as if some other country was responsible portrayg the ideas ludicr instead of condemning the idea, some republicas publicly welcomed using force against drug cartels on mexican soil and without the consent of mexicans government. Trumps notion of a Military Intervention South Of The Border has swiftly evolved from an oval office fantasy to something approaching Republican Party doctrine. And as we all know all too well, even the events of january 6th, when a mob of Trump Supporters believing trumps lies about the u. S. Election results storm the capitol, the impact of trumps rhetoric is easily seen on the streets. New york times reports this on antimigrant protests that took place in new york city lt month. The loud speaker on a quiet Staten Island street blasted demands at 117 decibelsour than a dog barking in your ear a School Shelter 110,000 Migrants Whoed in new york city over the last year and a lf the message could not been more unwelcoming, immigrants are not safe here. Reading protect our children nailed to utility poles. Protesters wore shirts emblazoned with American Flags and images former president Donald Trumps face. Deeply dangerous. Racist attacks on migrants with an expresident with a history of Fermenting Violence in america is where we start today. With Me Assistant Attorney General at the u. S. Department of justice is here plus former Top State Department official during the Obama Administration is here. Also joining us, Princeton University professor and distinguished political scholar is here and the ceo and National Director of the Antidefamation League is back. Jonathan, start with you and read you something that our friends over at matto blog house correspondent for pbs told her viewers last night i checked with a historian and she sa language hes usingchs language used in Nazi Ppaganda by adolf hitler when adolf hitler actually said that jewish people and migrants can causing a Blood Poisoning of germany. Your reaction to trumps comments . Well in some ways it feels like there we go again. Nicolle, i mean, to be frank, i dont know how much donald trump is a student of history or if he even reads books, and whats on his nightstand, but i do know as the reporter said last night on pbs news hour that the language he used in that interview is the same or intended to evoke the kind of language thats been used by many who hold vicious antiimmigrant, racist, antisemitic views like hitler, and im sure other native leaders and the way it was inserted into the crazy claims he was making, that are totally untrue, leads me to believe that someone gave him that line, and we have seen over the years how trump uses racist, despicable language and how it evokes violence. Think about 2019 and the claims about an invasion from mexico that led a man, in el paso, murdered dozens of people because they appeared to be from mexico. Think about the great Replacement Theory Led A man 2018 in october to The Tree Of Life synagogue in pittsburgh and Murder Jewish Weil they were worshipping. Vile the rhetoric leads to violent accesses, and so this isnt dangerous. Its explosive. And its like Lighting A Fuse and just waiting for the bomb to go off. So we at adl are deeply alarmed. Whether youre the president of of the United States, words matter. One of the two de facto members of the country you have a responsibility and long overdue for candidate trump, President Trump, to stop once and for all before more people get hurt. Jonathan, do you think theres a chance he will . No. I dont. Thats the real problem here. So what we do . We need responsible parties around the president to finally say, enough. Like, how do you put someone in place when theyre using the kind of language that, again, and again, and again has gotten People Killed . I mean, we need a kind of accountability among those you know, the kingmakers, if you will, in the Republican Party to just say, timeout. Pull the emergency brake. We cant go through this again. The country cant afford it. Marginalized communities cant afford it. None of us can. I mean, jonathan, i guess i worry that we are failing to imagine that this is his intent. You just said responsible people around donald trump. Who would that be . There arent any, and thats by his design. As a candidate for president who could have anyone he wanted around him and the people around him are the people he wants around him. If this is the design, then what should we do . Look, this is a conundrum, but my job at adl is keep people safe. I cant tell the gop what to do but im talking to jewish people every day. Just cochaired the March On Washington with 155,000 people, lots of africanamericans. Whether in hbcu, a black church, a synagogue or chineseamerican community center, people are aphrase. Their Anxiety Levels are reaching a breaking point. So when you ask me who are the responsible people . You know president obama said we are the once weve been waiting for. Put on the storm windows, the way i see it, batten down the hatches, because i cant afford to wait for some abstract way. Got to make sure to keep people safe right now. And pressed jonathan in that way not because i think theres an answer, that someone can produce, right, that satisfies what he describes as a conundrum and challenge of our times, because i worry hes revealed himself over and over and over again. If reelected he will take away this Networks Video licences. Gone after comcast. If elected will prosecute general mark milley for treason a crime punishable by death. If reelected he will pardon the Hundreds Of Insurrectionists prosecuted and convicted by juries of their peers. If reelected, he has told us what he will do, and my concern today is about the rest of us. What should the rest of us be doing . Well, we have to do exactly what youre doing right now, and that is foreground what he said. He is who he is. We have to we cant just simply do it, cant be on, the fold of the page. Has to be the headline, the lead story in this instance. We have to tell the truth about what he intends to do, and we have to understand that what you said in the introduction is really important, nicolle. It has infected the Republican Party and theres another element to this and i dont know what you think about this, but because republicans are at the Center Gravity of our politics they define the frame of the debate, when they get infected with this stuff, we all do. And so you see President Biden just announcing, right, theyre going to build some wall. Right . Because the terms shifted. Right . And so i think its important for us to foreground this as as as deliberately and as effectively and in every every chance we get, because if we dont hes going to end um in the white house and communities are going to be in danger at even a higher level. I think thats really important, eddie, and this is, this concept i keep grappling with how to communicate it here. Some have done a better job than me about the moving of the everton window. It manifests this isnt the story that just happened. Not a couple days ago. Many flagged it on twitter and i saw friends and colleagues morning joe before this before me. Well all numb to the crazy and the brain in the traumatized state has to make adaptations. We say, well, we wont win. Good signs in the midterm. Heres my concern. If he does win hes told us all the things hes going to do, and my concern is, as were on sort of the eve of a president ial cycle, even in our conversations about the House Republicans. Scalise or jordan . Doesnt matter neither one of them voted to certify joe bidens election. He was elected on the same ballot both of their names were on yet they called, knowing falsely, knows it wag b. S. I worry that we still here in your trump story dont use the right words that were really watching, eddie. Yeah, yeah. I have the same worry, and, you know, im thinking about a number of things. The rhetoric that he uses. You know, directly appeals to white sprem 1i69s but appeals to those, scribe them as white nationalists adjacent. Those folk who hold the Views Bunt Dote express them or those folk worried about immigration but dont really have a language to describe their worry gives them a language. People that you and i know. People that we love. They are buying into this stuff. So the levels of it. The intimacy of it, right . Make it is a very difficult nut to crack, but if we dont do what youre doing right now, and if we dont in our intimate spaces call this out, ill hells going to break loose. Even in a more intense way if that makes sense. Yeah. Eddies getting at this dynamic, domestic extreme divides neighborhoods, divides school communities. It showed itself in the nastiness around Covid Policies and stay home from school and masks and whatnot. It also infects or thats probably the wrong word. It also seems to hamstring Law Enforcement. Right . Navigating an extraordinarily important and treasured principle in this country, freedom of speech, freedom of association, but you have almost like a tumor wrapped around the spine our blood vessel. You have it interconnected now with a threat. What do you do . Well, i want to before getting do Law Enforcement i want to comment on a few things weve talked about, because i think ive been one for some period, agreed about not elevating his comments, but what has happened is two things. That means theres still plenty of people listening to them and without speaking out against it forcefully and you have and we have on the show, but it is not Headline News every day. Without speaking out forcefully it has become normalized and the rest of us are starting to get immune. Play his voice, saying the things, violent things, the same things being like duterte said when he ran for election in the philippines. Somebody who went on to kill tens and thousands of his people. Right . I think we need to actually start calling it what it is. I hope if you disagreed you would still be telling me right now. Glad youagree. Ive flipped on this. Its not just about marginalized communities. Clearly impacted. Everyones impacted. Correct. I just came back from several days in santa fe with Republican Leaders and maricopa county. The county board supervisor, republicans attacked. Republicans are being threatened. Republicans have had violence against them. You know, democrats have had violence against them. White people, right . Talked about marginalism. Had it worse than anybody for sure but this isnt something that white people can sit and sade thats somebody elses problem. It is every americans problem because its coming after everyone who doesnt align with trump. Anyone whos in Law Enforcement. White, black, latino, doesnt matter. Anyone frankly in the military. Look at general milley, and what really scary, this morning i did an interview with on point for npr. They played vignettes, tapes, of people in iowa saying, yes, milley should already be in front of a firing squad for what he did. I mean, thats insane, and i just think were at an existential threat what do they think he did . Thats the question. Right . I mean, trumps only social media post was pretty vague about it. Media, responsible factbased media explained what he did. A call to chinese leadership to say its okay. We have things under control. An authorized call by the secretary of defense. Doesnt matter. They dont live to what it is. They just listen to his rhetoric. If we dont start pushing back, i thought we were giving him too much oxygen, free publicity, but now i feel Everyone Needs to push back and shameful for people on capitol hill, republicans on capitol hill, not to be doing so. Theyve got the best voice to do it, and you know ive also, as you know, sometimes been het hesitant to put party on this. I feel we will drive away some republicans if we put party on it. Those on capitol hill their silence is complicity and we are getting too close to the election. Im fired up. You can see. No. Look, i want to come out here and be told im wrong. Right . I want to come out here with what i think the danger is and be told, everythings fine. Nobody heard that. I think hes a buffoon. But that not where we are, and my anxiety exists on multiple levels, but really i think we spent eight years trying to wrestle trump to the ground, and its frivolous. Hes helium balloon, strings cust off and speaking to his people. We know from january 6th what he can do and paul pelosis attackers he can do and that it takes one person to terrorize an entire nation. One aggrieved person. He was pissed about wakeup . Okay . The historical language echoes rhyme. The figures rhyme and right left alignment repeats. Going dark on this. Showed up as the 30 rock optimistic. Fascism is actually not that old. It started in the 1930s in italy and germany, with the rise of the nazi party and violent rhetoric and violence is, as intrinsic to fascism as free speech is to democracy. Say that again. Violence is an intrinsic to fascism as free speech is to democracy. Hmm. What mussolini did and hitler did invocations of vile lnt rhetoric. Gangs beating up immigrants, jews, minorities infested the entire Body Politics so that violence became a part of regular politics. Even the opposition had to use violence. So part of the idea is, and this is what were talking about today. Using violent rhetoric is to intimidate people from criticizing it. So one reason that republicans dont criticize it, is theyre afraid it will be turned against them. Precisely why he uses it and precisely why fascists and authoritarianisms use it and it become as tool of their politics. Thats the very, very dark vision that were moving towards. Jonathan, do you look, i mean, can you conjure up examples where where it gets this far and theres an off ramp . Are you optimistic . Look, you couldnt do this work, i would say, and i think also One Of The Best in the field agree you cant do this work if youre not optimistic. But youve got to hope for the best and plan for the worst. Thats why at adl we are ferociously bipartisan and looking for people on the other side of the aisle, if you will, to step up, speak out, take a stand before its too late. I mean, what richard laid out is true and its terrifying how this kind of authoritarianism is kind of, intimidation, its so central to this fascist world view. So a lot of us are worried, but we just cant hide our heads in the sand. Youve got to get up and get to work, because i do think at the end of the day nicolle, you may have found neem iowa saying milley should be under threat, 9 fact is i believe in this country deeply. Im long on america, and there are more people here of goodwill than there are of illwill. We have to tap that. Tap that that Quintessentially American Desire to create more Perfect Union if we hope to change this. So the trick is, can we build the coalitions, can we mobilize the movement before its too late, and you talked ak before, nicolle, none for your gain. You get the prebic you deserve, Benjamin Franklin said. Weve got to fight like hellful we want to keep it. Its an amazing test for country. Right . Because i want to believe we are a country that will reject Political Violence. And it is abundantly clear the Republican Party is now unafraid to stand with those who would turn to violence, to carry out and realize their political aims. I need to you stick around a little longer. When we come back, much more on todays Political Climate and the very real potential for violence. Well tell you about the terrifying day at the Wisconsin State Capitol when an armed man came not one time but two times armed demanding to see that states governor. Plus Kevin Mccarthy, Paralyzed Washington and could put much of the country at a standstandstil. Also a warning sign. Transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg joins us on all that news coming up. Later in the show, the donald trump kitchen sink strategy. Today a flurry of legal filings designed to delay, distract and dismiss just about all of the legal threats he faces. 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He again demanded to see the governor and was taken into custody. This comes amid growing threats of violence against elected officials. According to npr, in 2013 there were 38 arrests over violent threats to elected officials. Last year there were 74. Back with our guests. Mary . So i think were seeing exactly what trumps rhetoric inspires. Can i draw a line straight from touch to this man in wisconsin . No. But this is what weve seen for years. Right . Trump says something incendiary. Some individual or group of individuals acts on this. Were not seeing the same massive violent demonstrations like we saw on january 6th. Strategically people are worried about going to prison, if seen more than 1,000 people prosecute, but were seeing lone wolf after lone wolf. I mentioned high been out west in new mexico last week and finishes convening on Political Violence, closing remarks. About 30 miles up the road a man wearing a maga hat posted all over social media trump had won and a bunch of other rit rick. Pulled out gun and shot someone protesting about a decision to to put a statue banished conquistador on the city square. Pulled out a gun and shot someone. Actually the second Shooting A Protest of the very same spanish conquistador. Kind of crazy. The same thing, lone wolf actors thinking its okay to use a gun for political purposes. A medical doctor recently put out new Research Shows one in three people on this nationally statistically significant survey believed that there are times when violence for political purposes is one in three . One in three. You know, at least its not two in three, but thats a huge number. Right . A huge number of people. And those who i forget the number now but it was also an alarming percentage who dont already have a gun intend to purchase one in case they need to use it for such purposes. You know, people are inspired to use violence. They think its acceptable because he makes it acceptable. We have a term for that. Totastc terrorism. Normalizing use of violence. What you have, too, a weaponization of the Second Amendment that violent rhetoric tells people they can use violence to solve problems and what they have guns for. Thats the trifecta of this thats so dangerous. Eddie, i think the test again is for the rest of us. Right . Trump won in 16, the american president telling people what to be aggrade of and whos to blame. Hes accelerated rhetoric from 2016 to this poisoning of the blood rhetoric because he knows that the violent rhetoric and the army of america and the xenophobias is a pathway to winning and told us already winning is only something he wants and needs so he doesnt face prison time. Its all laid bare, and i i wonder what you make of the i want to, i dont want to call it political moment, but we live in a system where elections are decided through campaigns. Candidates campaign. Tell a story to the country, and i wonder if he thinks the story told to the country matches the moment . Yeah. Look, trump is who he is. We know who he is, and we know why hes making these appeals. And those appeals have traction, get traction, because there are folks out here who believe that their losing hold of the country. You know, the irony of the invocation of mussolini and hitler they were looking to us but just starting. They didnt create something we looked to. They looked to us for examples. Right . When we think about the violence in wisconsin. Think about Political Violence today, all we need to do think about our history in texas, in north carolina, in arkansas. This is who we are, ive said over and over again. Part of the problem, nicolle, trump is easy, melodramatic framing, right . Hes the villain. Hes easy. Whats difficult is that so many of our fellow americans buy into this and that and the idea of america that they have the idea of america circulating in their minds doesnt include people like me. It questions folk like jonathan. It wants to keep women in their place. Lgbtq, go on and on and on and we havent provided an alternative. We keep yearning for something, gone, nostalgic, some older america, some sort of normalcy and refuse to give Alternative Vision to this nonsense. So trump is easy the hard part is to put forward a vision of the country that actually responds to what we know is circulating among our, the people we love. Im just im sorry. Im trying to wrap my mind around it and it just seems to me that we dont want to face what we know we should face. And thats the monster in the mirror. Which is us i mean, you cant stop now, eddie. Id ask you to elaborate on, can we handle that conversation . Right . Are we still a country that can do hard, have hard conversations . If we cant handle it, nichole were going to lose it. If we cant handful were going to lose it. All of this. We have been fighting this battle. We left over 600,000 on the battlefield dead. We fought in the Mid 20th Search Re to try to really substantiate a democracy dignity and standing of all, of every human being, no matter color of their skin, gender, zip code, no matter who they love. No matter their ability. If we dont confront it were going lose it and politicians stull trying to play to this idea of the ideal voter whos white, whos male. You know who im talking about. Whos often republican that they kind of render a centrist, if we keep doing it and not putting forward an Alternative Vision, trump and trumpists and maga theyre going to win. I understand what jonathan is saying. Decent people out there. But theyve always, there have always been decent people out there. But, eddie im sorry. Eddies so right. Like, look. Like, nothing is preordained. This isnt like a Baseball Game where if you dont, you know, you have an unsuccessful atbat theres yore one. Another inning, another game, another season. Democracy doesnt work like that, and i think people take this for granted. So make no mistake when i say there are more good people out there. Eddies right. We need a call to arms. Not literal arms like pick up your weapons, but we need, like, we need a spiritual arms race that evokes and leverages that goodwill inside so many of us, and eddies right. What we need is leadership. We need real leadership, and im not just saying, oh, this is what President Biden needs to say. Leadership is at all levels, nicolle. Not just the president of United States. The president of the school board. The president of the pta. Like, all of us have to realize we are stakeholders, shareholders, in this thing called democracy and if we dont do our fiduciary duty, if you will, it will get to bankrupt. Look, as the grandson of a Holocaust Survivor who saw germany, know, go up in flames, when fascism reared its head, as the husband of a political refugee from iran, whose family fled when that country has gone up in flames because of islamic fascism, dont think it cant happen here. Thats the book that i wrote for Goodness Sakes above my shoulder. It can and it will unless, again, we fight for what we have. Im going to tap all of you to figure that out. It exists on so many levels. This is the real stuff. Right . This is like this is the gritty, difficult nuanced conversation that much to the chagrin of my producers takes 35 minutes to flush out from four Brilliant Minds but i am fearful that were entering a cycle or a poll come out and x number of people say, joe bidens old. Such b. S. Conversations in this country when the choices between living in a democracy and moving towards something that trump is clearly running on with echoes of autocracy and fascism. Its not liz cheney articulated this ahead of midterms. She cant wait to get back to fighting with haskin. Campaign for republican congresswomen, maybe a congressman, but i mean, this is an extraordinary moment, and ill give you last word, eddie, because youve stirred something in me. How do we do that . How do we elevate the whole conversation for the next year and a little bit . You know, im trying to figure that out day in, day out but i do know one thing. We have to chuck the old blueprint. We have to finally shake loose of the 40 years of politics that weve been engaged in and try to engage in the imaginative work thats necessary to bring a new america into being. If we keep following the old script, right, were going to fall into the same traps. So lets be more imaginative in how we begin this and engage in these conversations. Thats the first step and then, of course, were she to do the Hoard Work Jonathan and others laid out. Mary, eddie, jonathan, thank you so much for having this conversation and for starting something, i hope, with us. Where it sticks around. Up next, secretary Pete Buttigieg is here on what were talking about. The growing threats to American Democracy, the expresident s attacks on the u. S. Military, and what comes next for governing in this country . Hell be here after a short break. Dont go anywhere. Takes you of. Put it in check with rinvoq, a oncedaily pill. When i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid Symptom Relief and helped Leave Bathroom urgency behind. Check. When uc tried to slow me down. I got lasting, steroidfree remission with rinvoq. Check. And when uc caused Damage Rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. Check. Rapid Symptom Relief. 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The ouster of Speaker Mccarthy is not just a symptom of the hot civil war going on inside the maga Republican Party as the even fringier magaobsessed wing seeks to seek control over the rest of the megafriendly caucus. The strain American Democracy is under because of that dynamic right now. For some historians and political scientists the prar sis of Kevin Mccarthys ouster passed over capitol hill as a potential warning sign of graver things to come. Washington post puts professor of governor Atarvard University writes, if y want to know what it looks like when democracy is in trouble, this is what it looks like. Set off alarm bells that something is not right. Its disconcerting as events of the past few weeks have been more worrying might come yet. History has shown this do be eraser of democracy altogether with authoritarianism rising in its place. Joining us, transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me back on. You, from the beginning of sort of the National Turn of your career has been i think one of the most skilled messengersed in the belly of the beast. I watched all your appearances on fox news and i wonder if you think thats where this message of, hey, guys, you may not agree with all of the points of the biden policy agenda, but we are too close to be edge of something from which we may not recover. I mean, do you argue internally to spend more time in place where is theyre the ones pushing us Over The Edge . You know, i think its critically important to get back to a time and place where arts between people from two Major Political parties happened within the framework of a clear, obvious, shared commitment to basic democratic principles. When that comes in to question as the president spoke to just a few days ago, that spells real trouble for our country. A lot of things we can do about that. Look, not all the solutions, in fact, i would say a minority of solutions really come from washington. A lot of our salvation will come from the local, a lot will come from civil society, outside government and politics, but it is also critically important that we find ways to better deliver, and thats where our focus has been. The administration, our focus, taking care of the basics because we know legitimacy of any political system including the legitimacy of democracy versus authoritarianism partly depends how that system can take care of the basics. Why were focus and road and bridges, making airports better, fixing our supply chains. The things, fair warning in this administration and certainly in the Department Of Transportation thinking about what and how to do it best, and obviously the fringe element to the House Republican conference is not making it any easier by tying up so many of the instruments of government, but were still coming into work every day, seeking to get that done, because if we get it right we are not just getting good projects built were not just making good policy, but were playing a small part in reinforcing the trust and legitimacy that keeps our whole system working. Thats President Bidens bet. Right . That you cant just say democracy is fragile and precious, and you dont want anything else. Its to show the fruits of it and i think if started with making the vaccine able to everyone and continued with a popular infrastructure package, but youre arguing One Of The Best ways to save democracy is continually show the American People what they get from it . Yeah. Part of how we come away from the edge of the cliff is for people to see day by day, piece by piece, that good things are getting done through the action of the government that they voted into place. Right . They sent us to washington to get certain things done. Sent congress here to get certain things done. Right basic things like passing a budget hasnt happened. But under speaker pelosis leadership we had bipartisan work and people send their elected representatives and their administration in to those halls of government to deal with and to get done and what our focus is. Again, were working on it coasttocoast. I mean, just never, in nebraska working on a Shortline Railroad there thats going to help move agriculture products more safely when we get the grant put throughout to deliver Safety Improvements in railroad infrastructure. Next town in denver. Reconfigures the geometry of a taxiway to make it actually physically impossible for a certain kind of Runway Incursion to happen making air travel more safe. And not glamorous and dont sound like they fit into the big Cosmic Picture restoring American Democracy but i believe and the president talked how these things really are connected. Taking care of basics reinforces legitimacy. On the other Side A Fountain Of Drama and chaos unfortunately. Which i think doesnt speak to how most americans who happen to be republican sitting at home think about these things, but does have a grip and earlier this week proved to be a death grip on the House Republican conference. You were Reconfiguring Geometry of a taxiway is the most unsurprising bang i could ever hear about your sort of handson approach to your job. What we do. I want to ask you what it says, though, and what the contrast is for the next, whatever, 12 to 14 months . Like the thing that cost Kevin Mccarthy his job after he agreed to impeach President Joe Biden absent evidence, not me or you saying it, his House Republicans, but the thing that cost him his job was keeping the government running. What does that say about whoever can get the job next . You know, whats so strange about that, is that, that one thing that he did, which was to work on a bipartisan basis, by the way. Democrats willing to work with republicans to vote to keep the government running, was exactly what most americans expect from their leaders. They expect and desire bipartisan work. They expect at a minimum that the government would be up and running and it was those actions that were deemed unforgivable by the handful of fringe House Republicans that seem to control events right now. Its ironic that of all the things he did popular and unpopular the thing most in line with what most americans actually expect. Remember, many if not most, of the positions Speaker Mccarthy took were out of step with majority of americans. Right . The house gops position on the Budget Slashing air Traffic Controllers and Railway Inspections is not where most americans are. Just like their opposition to 35 cap on insulin is not where most americans are. Their position on a question like choice is out of step with most americans. Finally did something most americans agree with. Democrats and republicans working together especially when it comes to making sure lights are on in the federal government and that, that proved to be the unforgivable sin that cost him his job. Unbelievable. Mr. Secretary, i would like to ask you to stick around through the break and get your thoughts on the expresident s repeated and it would seem escalating attacks on the men and women of the u. S. Military. Well be right back. I told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis symptoms. 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Tech vo schedule now. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace 123r. Back with secretary Pete Buttigieg. Yom have it in front of me but sure youre waefrt kaums by now. Chairman mark milley has been threatened, accused of treason, threatened with death by donald trump for some criticisms. One of the stories he told seared in my brain forever. A gentleman named avila saying an amputee and he said to mark milley get him out of here. I dont ever want to see him again. People dont want to see that. This talk about wounded veterans among those who served like yourself and people who have lost loved ones who served are now known to be people despised by donald trump from Chairman Milley and from his former Chief Of Staff john kelly. Where do we go as a country if that person who despises wounded veterans and those who died serving their country is the Republican Partys frontrunner . Well, its a really painful and tough thing to hear, to read about, even as we have learned not to be surprised by that sort of thing. You know, i think about the people i served with who were injured and i think about some people injured and then i served with them, because they came right back to active duty as soon as they got the chance. And the idea you would have that kind of disrespect for somebody who puts their life on the line, puts their body on the line, sacrifices than most of us, even those who served, most of us can imagine is unthinkable especially for the the, somebody who has been the president of the United States. The commanderinchief. I guess to me it comes down to this if being around an injured or wounded or disabled veteran makes you uncomfortable it should make you uncomfortable in the direction of wanting to be more like them. It should make you uncomfortable in the direction of asking whether you have done enough to make your life and your community and your country worthy of the price that was paid in blood to keep that country safe. I think thats something that all of us regardless of political persuasion ought to be able to come together around. Certainly even at my tender age, old enough to remember when thats something that all republicans and democrats could come together around. And we need to get back to that. By the way, thats our focus in this administration. The pact act. Obviously, not something i claim credit for from the Department Of Transportation. The president s leadership, secretary mcdonoughs leadership in the v. A. And in congress. Bipartisan work making sure people like those i served with exposed to those toxic burn pits are getting the care that they deserve. Well needed veterans take them seriously and do right by them. If they make you uncomfortable it should be in the direction of emulating them. Not wanting them out of your sight. Secretary of transportation Pete Buttigieg, thank you. Last word . I would hope people watch that see a Secretary Of Transportation and say were not ideological. We want somebody who is competent. Because competence used to the in politics. Seeing Pete Buttigieg seeing competent people and this administration which actually knows tao how to governor i hope and pray is the thing that persuades people to keep them in power. Thank you for spending time with us. Walked in feeling optimistic. You destroyed it. The news destroyed it. Not me. After the break for us, we will turn to Donald Trumps legal woes. They are piling up and today so, too, are hit attempts to delay, dismiss and deflect. Well explain. Dont go anywhere. Dont go anywhere. The company goes to the first born audrey. The Model Train Set is entrusted to todd. 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Waith year of that persona was pierced by new york judge Armer Engoron Who found donald trump liable for fraud in the new York Attorney generals civil case and took a step to implement trump the liability ruling he was able to make before the trial even started. As a result of a new order filed by that judge today, the Trump Organization must show the court they are complying with the order to cancel their Business Certificates in new york. And notify any movement of assets or creation of new entities. Now, in plain language, its over. Lights out. Trump cannot do business anymore in new york, and he cannot move money around that could tamper with the case. Coming on a day that developed into a smores borje of attempts by the expresident to distort and distract from the many, many legal problems and many, many trials he faces. It started with this new york fraud case. Trumps lawyers announced they will move for a Sy Pending Appeal of the case filed yesterday over in the hush money case trumps Attorneys File Add Motion to dismiss that one attacking Manhattan District Attorney alvin bragg and saying that chargese brought are politically motivated. Then there is the federal classified documents case. Sometimes referred to as the maralago case. Trumps lawyers in tha one have asked federal judge Aileen Cannon to postpone the trial until midnovember. So after the 2024 election. As of right now, that trial is set to start on may 20th of next year. Now, one of theeasons trumps lawyering cited in their request to delay is that trumps busy. Hes a very crowded legal calendar. Lawyers claiming that they nor trump could be in two places at once. One of the lawyers in the classified documents case is also the lawyer thats Resting Trump in this new york fraud se in new york this week. And then t was the other federal criminal case against donald trump. The one looking into his efforts to subvert his defeat in 2020, the 2020ction and overturn the result algether. Get that one dismissed saying something like, efforts to ensure Election Integrity were within the scope of his responsibility as president. And, therefore, protected under president ial immunity . Okay. Probably dizzy trying to make sense of all of these legal maneuvers coming today. Make it simple. Donald trump a man currently in new york for fraud charged with criminal cases from various other alleged crimes is trying everything and anything he can to shut down or delay the cases against him. Trumps countless piling up legal woes, although we start the hour with most beloved guests. In the courtroom as it began and host of a new podcast we need to talk, Andrea Bernstein here covering trumps businesses for years and Donny Deutsch host of podcast on brand and assistant Attorney General and former attorney harvey levin is with us. We love whats in your notebooks. Tell us what you reported today . Need add whiteboard to keep track of it all. One pillowcase. A pretty big one, just one jurisdiction. All of these pages. So this morning sort of even before we got to court there was an order. This order to me, interesting, because there was a motion for, the judge granted a motion for Summary Judgment finding him liable for fraud and he still didnt know, well learn more. Knew immediately receiver and restriction on the business but today finding out pieces of it, i guess. This morning the judge had an order that said that if the trumps want to move money or if they create a business they need to report it to the court and its not just donald trump. Its the family, officers of the company. It was you know, notable when we walked in that had happened and also moving to get the names of receivers in the next few weeks have to get a list to the court. And then in court we saw more testimony today don bender, Outside Accountant, up first thing In The Morning and his testimony finished and then another Inside Accountant was in the afternoon and it really did become of bit of a blame. This is the blame game. Donald trump is saying im not responsible for this. My Outside Accountant is responsible for it. Outside knten bender saying i got everything from the Trump Organization. At one point yesterday there was the testimony got quite heated. There was actually, one of the lawyers stood up said, lets tone it down. Don bender is not on trial. Trumps lawyers said, hang on. Kind of is on trial. Right, right, and trying to place the blame at his feet and then another Inside Accountant got up today and a witness for the government and showing documents point out, Financial Statements in question where donald trump inflated his wealth and there was a note on it, jt what the government is trying to do in this case tie everything they can to, back to donald trump. Thats the sort of thing youre seeing inside the courtroom, and then there was, then this other motion today where Donald Trumps lawyers came in to court and want to have a moratorium to stay. Even unclear what they wanted stayed, just wanted Summary Statement or the whole trial . Out of the bag, it started. Even cagey about that and then i guess well see even more on where it goes, but a lot, a lot of things, pieces, just going on here. A lot of stuff. Youre in this as well. Its clear that, im not, i cant compare them to the others because they havent happened yet but this one definitely right up in all of his stuff. That the whole thing was a fraud . In fact the judge found trump did commit repeated and persistent fraud under new york law and thats a question now was it upon spearsy and intent and how much money they have to pay. But this is someone who has now been found to have done this and his decision last week, the judge quoted chico marx, who you going to believe . Me or your lying eyes. Kind of the model. Covered it and covered it, you see that over and over and over again trump is the value was high when they need add loan and value was low when they have to pay any taxes. You see it over and over and over again. Heres trump, in the courtroom this week, hes tall hunched over. Looks smaller. The room feels small and everybodys kind of together. He cannot talk. He doesnt control the movie, the discourse. Cant even believe he made it several days. Hes in a situation somebody else gets to decide what is true, whats false and who has committed an act in violation of new york law. Trump is not do that. Counter to his entire way of being both as a Business Person and a president , and what hes facing right now. Didnt really make it. Right . Kept coming out blurting out his attacks going back. Yesterday very frustrated. The last day in Court Muttering and people could hear him. What was he muttering . Complaining. He doesnt have a jury is really bothering him. He didnt ask for one. He did ask for one. Didnt do welly the new york jury either. The carroll case, all call off guard with that guilty, guilty verdict. And his Company Found guilty of felonies in new york. Those were both juries, and so whatever he doesnt have is what he wants, but they werent so great for him either. He likes, i think the idea its an audience. What he wants. Who do you think the audience is . I think he thinks its us. Exactly. Hes got a different not the judge. But his lawyers, different, i think, audiences looking at important one that youre seeing play out every day on the legal team is the court. Right. Really very much laying the ground the motion today that might be heard tomorrow, stay proceedings, whatever it turns out to be, you know, all set on the ground for appeal and the Appellate Court is familiar with the case. Already heard stuff and said, no. I cant imagine theyre going to stop the trial and wait but this is all where its heading. Not necessarily Donald Trumps audience but an important audience for the lawyers. His inability to regulate sort of his emotions on display as well. I just think of the profound lack of fitness. Hes played through all the threats of violence and also shown a profound lack of fitness to be a defendant. Hes not helping his case at all. Havent seen fitness do anything on the right side of thing. And both of your points, first of all, i want to reiterate although if you lined up the average person, something we potentially could go to jail for. You know, election interference, Obstruction Of Justice things. This is the one that gets to the core of what we a politician, in business now, big, Tall Buildings and lots of piles of money and everything is being, everything is an extension, grandiose extension. This is putting a pea in that Thanksgiving Parade Balloon and to your point, him showing up a mistake. You are seeing a weakened man, cant speak out when he wants to speak out can not control the situation. Two points. Also bring it back here where ending now with a Buffoon Businessman but started with a bigot racebaited violent incentivizing dangerous fascist. Thats the range, to the white collar, where we gigglealities bit, to the part where we are so far from giggling, we are just terrified. Use the words so powerful. What if he gets elected again . I think we have to keep saying that over and over and over again. And theyre all connected, in his mind. His Business Prowess is his political brand, and i think the reason this will bring, waofwhat was so cataclysmic for him, started peeling back the layers, that the money from his father was not a seed. This is, as his fairy tale went pap constant grudge. The net it lasted forever. A lot more than he ever claimed it was. I think thats totally right and i concur with what donnie says. Its odd, but the criminal charges almost takes as badge of honor on the Campaign Trail but this, mortified at the notion he would be formally found to about fraudster and his whole brand for all his life have been just a sort of pose. This is by the way, i think a coordinated smorgasbord is a good word you use. Four Different Cases including this one. Well see tomorrow a motion to stay this entire trial. None of it i expect will be successful, but all of it especially the one before judge chutkan is trying to lay groundwork for something on appeal, you know, when talking about if hes not elected and he is convicted, 2025, 2026, but theres just no doubt that even though these arent criminal charges they absolutely stick the knife in to him in a way none of the others does. Harry, is any judge going to i mean, its all a delay tactic, because he wants to put the ball off to the other side of the election, and he really does have a lot of trials. I mean, how does a judge, how do they sit through the fact it is it is flag grant delay. Not making legal arguments. Theyre making political arguments and filing in a lot of places for a lot of different thing jgs. Easily. Judges say to the extent thats your argument, we can work it out with judges talking to one another as they already are beginning to do, its a tight schedule but one that you can manage. Now, but some of these motions, again, theyre looking to appeal and we may talk about this god forbid in 2026. Especially the big one january 6th, meant to attract interest of the supreme court. If convicted, evidence suggesting it would be and doesnt win election, everything in gods universe, he shouldnt be, were going to think very hard about will he be granted bail, pending appeal . If you need to have a good argument to get that on the other hand, former president , i think the likely he will be granted bail and the upshot of todays motions may be to keep him out for a good, long while. Let me just remind everybody what the most powerful republican in the senate actually in washington, Mitch Mcconnell the only one that is Still Standing said about President Trumps like the for his conduct. President trump is still liable for everything he did while in office. As an ordinary citizen. Unless the statute of limitations has run, hell be liable for everything he did while he was in office. Didnt get away with anything yet. Yet. We have a criminal Justice System in this country. We have civil litigation. And former president s are not immune being accountable by either one. Play that, because in this filing to delay the case in front of judge chutkan, this case, hes arguing that the, congress looked at this and wasnt convicted. Not true. Mitch mcconnell literally referred him to the Justice Department in his speech on the floor. Who would have thunk . Who would have thunk that the republican hero a man to look up to, a man speaking of reason, common sense, of gravitas of decency is Mitch Mcconnell . Just today. [ laughter ] for everything he did while in office liable. And we key up the voice of reason, its Mitch Mcconnell and thats where we go. It just every character when you line them up and get further and further away from trump, expresident , whether anybody, just is so refreshingly human. I mean to just you see this guy make sense. I know its just today. Because Mitch Mcconnell couldnt find his spine in time to vote for convict and knew yes. For the purposes of trumps asinine filing, we do have Mitch Mcconnell. I do think this is an argument from trump, the wrong venue. Right. Trump blames right. Always impeachment civil court, civil cart should be somewhere else. I think the thing about The Business Trial the not just that it sort of goes to his image. This jump is moving to Pit Hum Out Of Business and this judge already appointed an independent monter to had to look at their books making sure they were not committing fraud now. This judge means business and that was jump tried to get that blocked by the appeals court. Wasnt successful. This really, really, really could happen. I think we are close, closer than what people realize, to trump not having a business in new york. And theres, theres receiver over it he cannot so many things has happened. Not just that. Hes got a receiver now. Business certificates revoked. He cant do you know who the receiver is . Putting forward people, by now october 26th have to have a list. Like youre driving a car and somebodys taken the drivers ed car. They put on the brake. Right. Thats it. This is why its oh, really, not just, oh, theres a trial going on and theres going to about big fine he has to pay. It is, all right of this already happened and the businesses, sort of frozen. Taken out of the driver the seat on it. Incredible. Youre saying he doesnt i would put everything i own on zero chance hes anywhere close to 250 million. A guy like that nerve her that kind of cash in the bank. Harry, did we cut you off . No. I was just going to say thats true but exactly the thing hes appealed. Big with the fraud trial, a. , interrupt it, b. Get the appellate to reverse. Aggressive decision but factbound decision. If he loses, well know as the trial is going on within a few week ice think as matter of Business Reality as donnie was just saying. Hes toast. What do the kids do . You know, the kids are screwed. The kids are screwed, because they also, you know its been a known fact hes not a big shareholder. Not you dont say . Hes been showering his children. His kids where theyre so damaged is they cant go anywhere. The brand is so disgustingly tarnished justifiably so. The two sons i dont know what they do and ivanka moved far away as they can from him. Hiding in florida and jared. Unbelievable. Thank you so much to all of you for being here. All of you. Starting us off. Podcast need to talk about leonard exploring the web of money, influence and power behind the conservative takeover of americas courts, and the man, of course, talked about him here behind the center of all of it. Leonard leo. Particularly relevant in kurn times. Thank you for coming. Harry sticks a little longer. Ahead new developments to tell you about in Fani Willises Sprawling Ricco Case against the disgraced expresident and 18 others in Fulton County georgia. Why shes seeking testimony from two people very high up in that scheme and in trumps inner circle. Tell you about that next, plus, kings might be heading from bad to worse especially have considering the dwo running for speaker both voted to object to joe bidens victory in the 2020 election just hours after the deadly Capitol Insurrection of january 6th. With no leadership in the house, Big Questions and fears now about American Military aid to ukraine. Well talk to a top democrat about where we go from here. 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According to Court Filings willis is working to secure key out of State Witnesses to testify against Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro including protrump attorney lin wood prosecutors allege posted Michael Flynn and powell in November 2020 drafting the memo recommending seizing the dominion Voting Machines. Prosecutors also are working on securing testimony from Trump Attorney Boris Ep steep according to the Court Filings can provide evidence against chesebro both including without limitation as relates to his communication with codefendants john eastman and Rudy Giuliani regarding the attempt to disrupt and delay the 2020 joint session of congress. And including without Limitation Agency relate to her appearance at the press conference november, 2020 where you powell, ellis and Rudy Giuliani spread extreme wacky conspiracy theories about widespread voter fraud and interference from george soros and venezuela all without a shred of evidence. Joining our coverage, washington correspondent for the Atlanta Journalconstitution tea mitchell is back. Harrys is still with us. Tia, take us through what this means about, one, fani willis Trial Strategy and, two, these first early trials we expect to get under way later this month . Yeah. I think it reinforces what we kind of learned from the indictments, what we had been, what weve known to be true all along. That Fani Willises Investigation is very wideranging. Shes wanting to now ask for witnesses outside of the state of georgia. We know that shes looking at a lot of different aspects of attempts to overturn the election, not just the way Fulton County Election Workers were treated but also the Coffey County voter machines, also the calls to different elected officials. So as we look at this witness list and even today with procedural, Procedural Court hearings are occurring, shes going full steam ahead expecting to take these first two defendants to trial later this month. So when we read, a little more from you, filing from boris epshteyn. Hes necessary and a material witness contains knowledge between himself and Sidney Powell and communications between himself, chesebro and known and unknown individuals involved influencing results of the November 2020 election in georgia, and elsewhere. I guess, one, why does she need him and, two, do you think he complies . I think he does comply. Why does she need him . He in particular is part of this November 2020 News Conference where they lay out all manner of fabulous ideas about dominion, really the core of what Sidney Powell did wrong. I think two things bear emphasis. First to second, tia, everybody time i think about this case i think how big and sprawling it is and what it means here. Good and bad aspects is, everything including out of State Conduct is ascribed to everyone. She wants especially the, even these witnesses who will talk about arizona and pennsylvania as well as georgia she wants that. And then second, powell, as you and i discussed earlier this week. Unlike Everyone Else who can sort of see how this manymonth process plays out, powell is really looking at going to trial and very soon, and not just these out of State Witnesses but other people in particular, the man has already pleaded guilty have things to say about her. Shes in a kind of pressure that others arent, and it will be very interesting to see what she does in these next two weeks. Tia, harry tweeted about that earlier. In a powell hearing before judge mcafee scott hall comes up. D. A. Tells judge preparing transcripts of his video otherwise powell has everything shes entitled to. We still dont know what we dont know what powell testified to when pleading guilty tomorrow, last friday. What are you hearing about may be the most exposed based on that guilty plea . Well, we know that according to his indictment, scott hall was part of this case, because of the Coffey County breach of the Voting Machines. So anyone else whos indictment also relates to the Coffey County should be concerned about what hes telling the prosecutors. Of course, that includes Sidney Powell and others. There were a handful of people whose indictments relate to Coffey County or relate to the efforts to get the investigators hired by trump allies to Coffey County and hoping that scott hall can provide additional insight into those discussions and who was really part of bringing that together, because as we know, part of what Sidney Powell is saying, for example, is that she really had nothing to do with it and theres no evidence she was behind that breach, perhaps scott hall or others that we know, the prosecutors are hoping to talk to, can shed additional light on those conversations. I mean you know who is interested in seizing Voting Machines because they heard they werent secure was donald trump. Im fascinated to see where the bread crumbs lead. Tia mitchell and harry lin wood, thank you for spending time with us. When we come back, removal of speaker of the house Kevin Mccarthy ba a cabal of rightwing in his own caucus and the fight to replace him. Another disgraced expresident is mulling a bigger role in all of the chaos. Well bring thaw story and the latest after a very short break. Stay with us. Y short break. Stay with us. I brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein. Those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. Ahh, here, ill take that. Woo hoo ensure max protein 30 grams protein, one gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients for immune health. at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. Humana can help. With Original Medicare youre covered for hospital stays and Doctor Office visits, but youll have to pay a deductible for each. 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Socalled wenization of the government, humiliating attempt to revenge on democratic Law Officials and others and House Majority Steve Scalise is second, most honorable attribute right now isaybe just hes not jim jordan, but i ideologically, look at their records. Voted against certifying election on january 6th. Hours after the attack. Any questions about integrity of their own reelections and both voted to let trump off the hook in his second impeachment. What about legislation . Both voted against that historic bipartisan safety bill. Safer communities act. Sa wh the infrastructure bill and the c. H. I. P. And science act. And because Steve Scalise can find his jacket doesnt mean the two candidates are materially different on anything else. Joining our conversation former congressman from florida, msnbc political analyst david jolly. With me at the table a democratic strategist and director of Public Policy program at hunter college. David jolly, your thoughts on these two . Yeah. Nicolle, about where we expected we would be in the days after Kevin Mccarthy, which are scalise and jordan really the two strong frontrunners for the speakership but still face that threshold theres a question whether anybody can meet. The 218 votes to become speaker of the house. So look, a little entry here on the two. Scalise has been mccarthys number two for about ten years. One place in leadership right behind mccarthy but they began to separate and mccarthy had some suspicions of disloyalty by scalise a year or so ago. A question whether Scalise Would Challenge Mccarthy in january to become speaker. Alternatively, jim jordan, who for the last ten years led the House Freedom caucus or at least was the ted tuler leader of the talk es made a strategic decision in january not to lead forces oppose mccarthy but fold in under mccarthy. Mccarthy gave him chammanship and go impeach joe biden. And despite being a Freedom Caucus guy has fallen in line behind mccarthys leadership putting momentum behind jim jordan. Clearly two frontrunners but still the question. Can you hold the entire caucus together . They will be able to reach that decision behind closed doors before we see all the dirty laundry on the floor like we saw in january. A hard question if either one can reach 218. Do this or not . There is another person being talked about in the maga world. Talk about it . His name is donald trump. This is reporting from my colleagues. Former President Trump is considering a Visit Tos Kalifornia as House Republicans consider who should be the next speaker. According to you gop lawmakers and trump a allies, the former president hasnt stepped on the ground since january 6th considering making an appearance. Goes on fox news this afternoon and says this, they have asked me if i want it. Not clear who the they are voices in his head sometimes chime in as well we all know. Do we entertain this . Give it oxygen . Ignore it . What do we do with this . Cant ignore it because the reality is every gop candidate on that debate stage even if they claim to be running against Donald Trumps policies is still, you know, hes going to be a player in all of this. And, of course, i hate to say that but reality is i have to account for it, i should say. Uhhuh. And you know, what you wont see is what we saw in 1994 when Newt Gingrich standing before members of congress saying this is a contract with america and all underpinnings from the heritage foundation. Dont mean to sound witful about that time in the Republican Party but representative komar saying we have no plan. Representative davidson saying no path forward to governing. To me what youre looking at with the scalise, jordan or, and Donald Trumps influence who will more quickly decimate whats left of the Republican Party . And create something that is so antithetical to the rest of, where the rest of this country is, that i hate to use the term lesser of dwo two evils. Genuinely hate saying that. Thats part of the test. Doesnt matter anyway. Its all bad and all the worst possible outcome. David, what are you hearing about pacing of any of this . Do they have a new speaker in the near term . Im not sure by next week. First of all i dont think donald trump actually accepts the overtures once he finds out the speaker cant pardon somebody. Once he realizes you got to be president to have pardon power probably not interested. I do think he has power to knock out one of the top two contends. Might be Steve Scalise he knocks out if he tells the, those in favor of jim jordan. Interesting on timing and a little different than we saw in january. In january an organizing session brought about by the constitution and house rules. They had to go to the floor for a vote and we got to watch it play out. Now behind closed doors in this environment, traditionally the House Republican caucus has said whichever candidate can get 51 of the caucus, we all go to the floor and give that candidate our votes. That began to unravel in 2015 when mccarthy, frankly i was a part of this. People withheld votes from mccarthy to succeed boehner. Even though he got 80 , 90 of us said not taking the rule to the floor. That rune is done, no longer existed. Means well see of the Republican Caucus meeting after meeting after meeting behind closed doors to get to 218 so they know when they go to the floor, just one vote for speaker, how long does that take . Now the pressure becomes the 45 day on it. Part of the negotiation for who the next speaker it within the Republican Caucus is what is the strategy for the next Budget Negotiation, and ironically, the next speakers glog to losed Budget Negotiation to schumer and biden. Math is just math. How do you responsibly explain to your caucus what youre going to work towards but probably lose and still secure votes for speaker . Who knows. This is where donald trump comes in. If donald trump puts his finger on the Lever Add Somebody it could catapult them to the pop. Donald trump stands for election as speaker, i dont think he gets 218. People voted to impeach him. Absolutely right. I would say going back to the earlier point. When you look at Donald Trumps potential influence in this race. Who becomes the next speaker . It really does make it so much clearer to me how anyone asking for democrats to be able to step in and help, never, ever happens. Totaltotally. A party against any abortion laws. A party against gun control, against, supporting book banning, supports suppression of votes how in the world can any democrat actually step in to say, well, im going to help someone lead that charge on the other side and then go back and play defense. Just cant happen. Yeah. Its too its too far apart. Thank you so much for being a part of our conversation. When we come back a top democrat in the House Foreign Affairs committee joining us for a real possibility the chaos were talking about among republicans could disrupt the flow of military aid for ukraine on the battlefield. We have that conversation, next. Im adding Downy Unstopables to my wash now. Ill be smelling fresh all day long. [sniffs] still fresh. Still fresh get 6 times longerlasting freshness, plus Odor Protection with Downy Unstopables. Okay everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. Yay woo hoo ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. And ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. [city ambience sounds] [car screech] [car door slam] [camera shutter sfx] introducing neds plaque psoriasis. [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. Otezla is the 1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. 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I know there are majority members of the house and senate in both parties who have said that they support funding ukraine. With your im going to be announces a major speech im going to make on this issue and why its critically important for the United States and our allies that we keep our commitment. President joe biden yesterday afternoon responding to concerns that the gop dysfunction will imperil u. S. Aid to ukraine. Addressing the issue he announced shortly. A leading contender is to be House Speaker. Maga loyalist jim jordan of ohio has questioned the utility of u. S. Aid to ukraine. Joining ow coverage congressman of colorado. Congressman, i know top of mind for president zelenskyy and people around him. They have probably watched House Republicans closely if anyone in this country has, because theyre very lives depend on it, and i wonder what this moment says where you have this sort of tyranny of the radical minority dictating u. S. Foreign policy potentially . Well, theres no doubt that the chaos and disfunction of the gop majority in the house of representatives now has a lot of imcontacts and impact on our economy. Has impacts on our security. It has impacts on our ability to deliver very important aid to hungry families, and to maintain basic safety net needs for americans everywhere and yes, impacts on our Global Security as well. No doubt in my mind and the mind of other people paying attention to this conflict that our support for ukraine is in our own vested interests. We can keep americans safe and secure and help promote a prosperous economy preserving piece and stability in youre europe and thats what this conference is about. Continuing to support ukrainians we are asserting out of own interests as well as democracy everywhere. Its important to keep it going. Concerned about the ability to do that so long as gop and the house gets its act together. The way we sort of sought to reassure president zelenskyy and ukrainians was majority of American People are behind support for ukraine. All democrats and majority of republicans. President zelenskyy referred to different voices, some of the voices are very strange when he was here. You know, you deal with counterparts around the globe. How do you sort of articulate this ability of this super minority, this extreme minority that doesnt represent views of majority of americans, doesnt represent views of any democrats or doesnt represent by the United States. There are actually 11 countries provided more aid than the United States per capita. And if a vote were held today in the house of representatives, vast majority, three quarters or more, including over half republicans to support to send that aid. We had a vote last week and half republicans voted for it. Numbers less than half is not the actual real vote. The actual real vote held to support ukraine over half republicans voted in favor of that. The issue is not the vote its getting what happened earlier in the year Kevin Mccarthy bargained away ability to put a vote on the floor based on plurality of support and he gave that power to the Freedom Caucus. Thats the decision facing the republican conference right now. Are they going to continue to give all their power to the most extreme elements of the party that will hold all of us hostage or take it back to actually govern in a bipartisan way again . Congressman jason crow, all feels so fraught. Appreciate you spending time with us to talk about it. Keel continue to call on you. A quick break for us. Well be right back. Us well be r a quick break for us. K we will be right back. Right b. Consider an aarp Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan from unitedhealthcare. With this type of plan, youll know upfront about how much your care costs. Which makes planning your financial future easier. 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