Getting our first look at their formal response to the Special Counsels request for a protective order in the case. Plus, were on the eve of a critical referendum in ohio designed specifically to make it harder to protect Abortion Rights. As a judge rules that the abortion ban in texas goes too far. But we begin tonight with equal justice under the law. Its the basic Bottom Line Concept that the legal system is supposed to work the same way for all of us. So whether youre rich or poor, white or black or brown, gay or straight, famous or not so famous, the legal system is supposed to treat you the same. That is the goal under the u. S. Constitution. At least. Of course, we all know that is not actually how it works. And sometimes, just sometimes, we get a little reminder. Take a look at this. This is footage of union square in New York City on friday. The crowd had gathered after being summoned online by kai sinet. If you have never heard of him, join the club, i had never heard of him until my son called to tell me about this incident. Hes a very famous most popular streamer on an app called twitch, which the youngins use to live stream about gaming, sports, entertainment and the like. He advertised a huge give away of ps5 Gaming Systems which are really expensive, so the teenagers came in numbers and the gathering turned unruly. Dozens were arrested including sinet, who was charged with inciting a riot. He was released on bond on saturday and given a Desk Appearance Ticket and a court date of august 18th, according to the associated press. Now, i just want you to think about those developments. As you listen to the folks on a certain nonnews network with news in their name whining about how donald trump is being treated so poorly and so differently from anyone else, i mean, that is partially true. Trump and his supporters have been treated very differently from anyone else. Note again, with kai sinet and the riot in union square, Famous Person summons a crowd to a specific location using social media. Turns into a riot. Dozens arrested on the spot, not a year later, like the magas who attacked our capitol on january 6th. Or like trump, who has been galavanting around as a free man for 2 1 2 years before he was charged with summoning them there to overturn the election. In sinets case, an immediate arrest and a court date within weeks. Thats not to say these situations are exactly alike. For one thing, sinet apologized for his part in causing the mayhem and he hasnt cut a song with the people who landed in jail. But they are alike enough that we can compare how the criminal Justice System treats these two famous men and their followers differently. Of course, in trumps case, the situation is far more consequential because its not about a game system giveaway. Its about a president of the United States trying to steal the votes of tens of millions of americans so he can stay in power. And the latest developments in the trump case make it even worse. In just the latest in just the last few hours we have heard from trumps lawyers responding to Special Counsel jack smiths request for a protective order that would keep trump from making public any of the evidence theyre turning over to his defense. Trumps lawyers claim that the proposed order is overbroad and frame this as the government seeking to restrict trumps First Amendment rights. Perhaps the most conconventional change theyre requesting would allow trump to make public some of the evidence including recordings and transcripts of witness testimony. The request for the order came after the Special Counsel said that trumps social media posts could, quote, have a harmful and Chilling Effect on witnesses or adversely affect the Fair Administration of justice. They cited trumps post last week where he wrote, quote, if you go after me, im coming after you. And if that wasnt evidence enough, trump has continued to make the Special Counsels point, posting over the weekend and today multiple attacks on the doj, judge chutkan, mike pence, who could be a key witness in his trial. Joining me now is former senator claire mccaskill, msnbc political analyst, luke broadwater, New York Times reporter, Kimberly Atkins stohr, commnist for the byebye byebye, and stuart stevens, Senior Adviser to the Lincoln Project and author of the upcoming book, the conspiracy to end america. Appropriate title. Just really quickly want to focus for a minute on the disparity, and i will go to you first, kimberly, because you know, the cases arent the same. Its different, a former president , and what he did is much worse, but it still bugs me, kimberly, that the people, set aside trump for a second, who attacked our capitol, livestreamed it, right, not on twitch, but on other things, and went back to their hotels, casually got on planes and went home. It was only a year later in most cases they even got arrested. This was like some teenagers brawling or, you know, getting too excited about a ps5, scooped up immediately. And the guy who called them there, who is not trying to overturn an election, and who is not out there attacking the judge and prosecutors, he got arrested. I will propose to you, and i will let you respond, that our criminal Justice System is bifurcated but not against donald trump. Bifurcated in favor of him. Your thoughts. I think thats absolutely true, joy. This is not the first time we talked about the difference in the way the criminal Justice System treats people as they perceive them to be a threat. Even the people who threatened our very democracy, the foundation of our government, were seen in a way to be less threatening. I remember on january 6th, and the days after, i was shocked that these people were allowed to board planes and return home to wherever they were going. Surely, had it been a terrorist of a different kind, that wouldnt have been allowed to happen the same way you saw the swift action that took place in New York City. But to broaden this a little bit, joy, were talking about donald trump. And his claims that he is being unfairly targeted and people are after him. He has been given he has been afforded far more lenience and leeway and grace by the Justice System than any other person in the United States of america. He has been allowed to fly on his big old plane, to be arraigned, very quietly. We only know about most of it because of his own posts. Hes never served a minute in jail. He was never in handcuffs. He was never no mugshots were taken. He has been treated with kid gloves so far, with all of the, you know, with all of the luxury that a former president can get. So that is even more a far cry considering he is indicted now as the ring leader of the attack on american democracy. Yeah, and claire, let me go to you on this. Youre a former United States senator. Were talking about an attempt to stay in power that resulted in jeopardizing and putting at risk the lives of all 100 United States senators and every member of the House Of Representatives and their staffs and police and Capitol Police and metro police who responded, and the people who work in the capitol cleaning the capitol and providing all the services. Were talking about threatening in addition to whats charged in the four counts, trying to deprive tens of millions of people of the right to vote. It is stunning to me that donald trump posts on his social, if you come after me, im coming after you, which we reported this on friday and we were trying to be very careful and very fair because we didnt know who he was talking about. Jack smith apparently heard his own name. Heard the judges name, heard the witnesses. He saw the way we kind of assumed that we saw it, right . So this guy is now out there saying not only does he want to be able to threaten potential witnesses, the judge, and jack smith, the prosecutor, but he wants evidence in the case that he wants to be able to put on his social. We know what hes going to do with it, claire. Well, this case is so bizarre in so many ways. First of all, lady justice wears a blindfold for a reason. Clearly, shes peeking, and shes peeking because we had a situation where at the moment these crimes were occurring, he was the most powerful man in the country. And everybody in the system was reacting in deference to his power. And they were prepared that day, Law Enforcement wasnt prepared. They were not capable of arresting everybody on the spot because frankly there were a whole lot of people frozen because trump had kind of laid the groundwork ahead of time, dont anybody go after my people. I want them to be able to do what they need to do. So you know, heres the thing. In a normal criminal case, joy, the Defense Lawyer would not be on national tv threatening witnesses with how hes going to crossexamine them, much less the former Vice President of the United States. The defendant would not be trumpeting with a Huge National megaphone threats against the prosecutor, against the judge, i mean, spewing vitriol against the people who are responsible for enforcing the law. Against anybody, frankly, thats not willing to lie for him. So its hard to understand what this lawyer thinks hes accomplishing by his National Media tour. Can you imagine if jack smith booked an interview on your show tomorrow night and told all your viewers, i cant wait to crossexamine donald trump . Can you imagine the cry that would rise from the masses of maga about how this prosecutor was on a vendetta, but meanwhile, the criminal Defense Lawyer is doing just that. Its not just trump whos threatening these witnesses. In a way, this criminal Defense Lawyer is trying to telegraph to pence, hey, im coming after you. Im spending hours preparing my crossexamination. Its bizarre. Yeah, luke, welcome to the show. I want to get some sort of reporting on sort of what the thinking is inside trump world. We did get the trump team response. They did respond to the jack smith motion to claires point, and heres what they did. They cited dark brandon. I mean, its almost like theyre not taking it seriously. The quote is, President Biden has likewise capitalized on the indictment, Posting A Thinly Veiled reference to his administrations prosecution of President Trump. Hes not president anymore, just hours before arraignment. In that, they put a screen shot of a biden tweet where hes Drinking Coffee out of a dark brandon mug. That doesnt sound like a serious response. I wonder if you have any reporting from within trump world of is there purpose here just to mess with the jury and you know, inflame people on his side who might be jurors . This doesnt sound like a serious response. Theyre trying to muddy the waters and draw an equivalency between the actions that hes taking on truth social, which it appears to me are in direct violation of what the judge told him in court, which is you cant you shouldnt threaten or intimidate any witnesses or you shouldnt have any contact with witnesses. And so here hes putting mike pences name on truth social and basically attacking him and sending out a warning to anyone, and then saying, im talking about my political rivals, not potential witnesses in court. And so theyre trying to put forward this dark brandon thing, but that isnt what dark brandsen is, right . Dark brandon is a resauns to this meme that was on the right, and then joe biden retook it and its about him being cool. It has nothing to do with trump or being locked up. You know, i think theyre trying to draw some equivalency here that really isnt there. I doubt the judge will take that very seriously. Stuart, to luke and claires point, lets put up some of this. Trump did do this sort of Stream Of Consciousness on his truth social about not being able to get a fair trial, calling mike pence liddle mike pence. And then talking about the only reason that he was vp, you know, he was going to be ousted as governor of indiana. You know, and he made him his vp and now hes gone to the dark side, calling jack smith deranged, and going on and on and on. It is working on some level, because hes gone after nancy pelosi, which i think is vulgar, saying shes going to live in hell. Just sort of gross sort of conduct. But theres a poll thats out from cbs u gov, that shows that this is working on some level. It asks how many voters agree with the following statements, that the indictments and investigations are trying to stop the trump campaign, uphold the rule of law, defend democracy, or an attack on people like me. We just put the general numbers up. When you break that down by party, republicans, its like 75 say that its an attack on people like me. And even among independents, its 50 50 about whether or not its trying to actually uphold the rule of law or stop the trump campaign. Its like 50 50 among independents. This to some degree is having an effect, stuart. Yeah, you know, in politics, we have the saying, when youre attacked, dont try to shoot the plane down, blow up the Aircraft Carrier. Thats what donald trump is doing here. And the Aircraft Carrier is the american judicial system. We shouldnt make any mistake about it. This is a concerted effort by trump and he is supported by the Republican Party, and thats really the key message here. You cant expect donald trump not to be donald trump. But there are a lot of people in the Republican Party who would like to consider themselves serious human beings who care about america who remain silent and allowed this to happen. And the end result of this is pretty unimaginable. Because the end result of this is donald trump getting reelected, and that will be the end of democracy as we know it in america. And he is quite clear that that is his goal. If you go back to his announcement in waco on the 30th Anniversary of the waco tragedy there, it was really a declaration of war against democracy in the United States. And thats whats at stake. And until the Republican Party starts acting like responsible americans, i think its going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Yeah, claire, i think thats clear, right . You havent seen the republicans who one used to think of, the sort of Lindsey Graham squad, theyre silent on this stuff or theyre down with it. Well, most of them are hiding. I have said this many times before and ill say it again. The vast majority of the republican senators cant stand donald trump. They abhor what hes done to their party, they abhor the norms hes blown up. They think his politics is base and ugly. But they are afraid of his political power and of the base that he has created and calcified within the Republican Party. So theyre just afraid to its just, i have said it before, theyre all lily lived cowards. If all of them can come together, if most of them would come together and do a Press Conference and say we have had enough, the party would follow them. I mean, they would follow the leaders if mccarthy would come to his senses and actually say, im not going to be hijacked by the most extreme elements in this country, im going to do what most of the American People want us to do, that is to behave responsibly and try to solve americas problems, but theyre too afraid of his political power. And thats the bottom line, and i dont think its going to change anytime soon. Were going to talk more about this. Theres more to say. I want to talk about what is aspirational and what is illegal . Well talk about that when my esteemed panel comes back and were going to talk more about Donald Trumps characteristically childish attacks. The reidout continues after this. 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Open talenti and raise the jar to gelato made from scratch. Raise the jar to flavors from the worlds finest ingredients. And now, from jars to bars. New Talenti Gelato and sorbetto mini bars. Wow, you get to watch all your favorite stuff. And its to die for. Rs. And its all right here. Streaming was never this easy, you know. This is the way. You really went all out didnt you . Um, its called commitment. Could you turn down the volume . Here, you can try. Get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. Back with me are former senator claire mccaskill, luke broadwater, Kimberly Atkins, and stewart steven. Let me play your john lauro talking about what donald trump attempted to get mike pence to do. What President Trump did not do is trect Vice President pence to do anything. He asked him in an aspirational way. What he was asking for is for raffensperger to get to the truth. That was an aspirational ask. Kimberly, is there an aspirational coddle in law, i would really like you to give me all your money, bank manager, its an aspiration. I would like to have a million dollars. I would like you to do it. I think im robbing the bank, but in john lauros world, im just being aspirational. Given john lauros description of the constitution and the law, i deserve a refund for my Law School Tuition because clearly, i was taught the wrong thing. There is no legal precedent for that, and what the evidence that we all have seen and heard, what we saw in real time and what was reported and what we saw in Donald Trumps own social media posts looked more like threats than aspirational asks. He knew that there were armed people after mike pence on january 6th, and he egged them on in real time. In the phone call with raffensperger, that we heard, we heard him threaten him. If he did not find this exact number of votes that would have put him over the top. Those are not aspirational asks. My favorite part was when lauro said that a violation of the constitution, a technical violation of the constitution was not a violation of law. Thats not how the constitution works. A constitutional violation is a constitutional violation. And thats what the president stands accused of. Luke, what is the strategy here . Lauro has been all over tv. He did a Full Ginsburg on the sunday shows, and is the point of the strategy from your reporting and from what you understand just to muddy the waters enough to get themselves a hung jury . Well, we always say unprecedented, but we have never seen a situation like this where someone is running for president at the same time theyre facing these serious cases against them. So hes simultaneously intertwining his Legal Defense with his campaign. And that means trying to persuade voters, potential voters out there that these charges arent that bad. Also potentially persuade Perspective Jurors that these charges arent that bad. And also everybody who works for donald trump knows you have to impress him on tv. Thats one of the things that goes along with working for donald trump. So lauro is out there trying to say, well, this stuff might have been wrong, but its not a crime. And that its all protected by the First Amendment. And so hes trying to take things that, you know, sort of sound like threats or orders and say theyre just asks. He was just encouraging somebody, he wasnt actually doing it himself. And anybody who studied donald trump knows he often asks other people to do the deed that he doesnt want to actually do himself. But theyre trying to split the difference there and perhaps put up some sort of defense to both Perspective Jurors and to voters, you know, it is like we always say, an unprecedented situation. Yeah, and in my bank analogy, im wearing a full face mask and i is a gun, but its aspirational. Stuart, live me give elena haub points for huts paw because her defense was colorful. You have to remember that a lot of these cases deal with classified documents and classified records. Which mean that all of the lawyers now have to apply for special clearance, right . So its not a normal situation. You cant just take a classified document and review it. You have to have scifs. You have to have certain procedures put in place. This is where i throw my papers. I have to throw my papers. Stuart, her defense is, you just cant take classified documents and have them in the open. Who does that . Yeah, you know, what are the odds these are going to be trumps lawyers in two months . Not great. You know, look, this is an attempt to try to get a guy elected president so he can pardon himself. And trump is out there saying that. Its not me on trial, its you on trial. What hes done is hes taking the Republican Party, which wants at least aspired to be an optimistic party which was considered to be an american to have won lifes lottery and taking it now, the victimhood party. And hes making people feel that any grievance that you have, i can settle the score. Theyre coming after me. Its the complete opposite of everything we said we believe, which apparently was Just Marketing slogans, a person or responsibility, character counts. None of that means anything. But ultimately, what claire said is so true. Republicans could end this. Theyre not just passive spectators here. And the level of burden thats being placed on them compared to what others have done to defend democracy, i mean, you go from the greatest generation to the worst generation with these republicans. I think its going to haunt them and its going to be a badge of shame that theyre going to wear the rest of their lives. We dont have the clip, but Mitch Mcconnell was lustily booed in his home state. I guess theyre so fearful of the kind of people who would boo Mitch Mcconnell. But claire, you have experience with republicans will vote for whatever republican is on the ballot. They can put any republican on the ballot. They voted for ron desantis. They really could just get someone else and theyll get the same votes probably or very few not that many fewer. Let me go on to this one, because what donald trump also would like to have is to have judge chutkan recuse herself and go away. He really does like aileen cannon. She just did a ruling that seems like it was in his favor. Asking prosecutors to justify using the other grand jury as sort of taking a takedown of them, admonishing them for using an outside jury, ergo the d. C. Jury. This is about d. C. And maralago. Shes taking a lot of heat for this. And i dont understand how you can im not a judge, im not a lawyer, but its wrong to use an outside grand jury in a case that involves the theft of classified documents from d. C. . Well, the federal government can gather evidence in illegally seated grand jury and use that evidence in whatever jurisdiction it is applicable, and clearly jack smith decided and i think this shows his integrity, since the maralago crimes around documents happened in florida, that case should be brought in florida. Now, a lot of people arent happy about that. They would have liked it all to be in d. C. He also brought the cases in d. C. That are more applicable to that venue. So i dont think and by the way, his lawyers are already trying to back up the truck on recusal. They know this is like, you know, pulling the pin out of the grenade and throwing it towards the bench in terms of the judge. Highly respected judge in d. C. Donald trump is so stupid, hes the only man in america that will pay millions of dollars for legal advice and listen to none of it. And i also gotta say, joy, i have to get this in before we close today. I was there the day donald trump took the oath of office. I was sitting up there with all the other senators, it was a sad day for me and many others of us that were sitting up there. His speech was dystopian and bizarre and depressing, but i remember when he held his hand up and i distinctly recall that he said he would uphold the constitution, and he did not add, except for the technical stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, i would add that the reason he doesnt take the advice of his expensive lawyers is hes not using his own money to pay for said lawyers. Thats his fans who are sending him 45, who are paying for it, his Working Class Fans are paying the bills. Hes not. Claire, thank you for that final point. Its so important. Claire, luke, kimberly, and stuart, thank you all very much. Coming up, playing whackamole to defend americans Reproductive Rights as Conservatives Push Mew restrictions in multiple states. Well be right back. Love you. Have a good day, behave yourself. 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I mean, that 1. 3 of abortions happen at 21 weeks or higher, theres no evidence of democrats pushing for abortions up until their view is that all the way up until that, there should not be any Legal Protections theres no indication of democrats pushing for that. First of all, Excellent Journalistic work by dasha burns pushing back on that nonsense, because no, abortion after birth, the complete oxymoron, which would be infanticide and a crime, or up to the point of birth, is not a thing, ron. And that rhetoric is just gaslighting anyway. A dishonest framing of progressive abortion policy, because even republicans know how unpopular their forced birth even for Little Girls Stance is. Regardless of party, women and girls do not want their bodily autonomy snatched away from them, nor do Health Care Providers want their hands tied. If you think otherwise, youre not paying attention. Thats why a group of women and doctors sued over abortion laws. One giving harrowing testimony about being forced by law to give birth to a fetus without a full skull. A texas judge on friday issued a temporary exemption to the Texas Abortion Ban that would allow women with complicated pregnancies to obtain the procedure. It would also keep doctors free from prosecution if they determined a fetus would not survive after birth. But hours later, the state Attorney Generals Office filed an appeal with the texas supreme court, blocking the judges order from taking effect. The forced birth party isnt just placing these women at risk. But also, our national security. Thanks to tommy tuberville, the maga senator who is so mad about womens rights, hes choosing to undermine u. S. Military readiness against our enemies. On friday, the u. S. Army became the Second Military branch without a Senate Confirmed leader behind the marines, as tuberville continues to block Hundreds Of Military Nominations in a protest against a pentagon abortion travel reimbursement policy. For misinformation to sneaky tactics to full blown Voter Suppression, america is slouching toward gilead, forcing the Abortion Rights Movement to get ensnared in a game of legal whackamole all across the country. Its why all eyes are on ohio, where the Republican Controlled Legislature has called for a special session which takes place tomorrow, that would raise the bar for amendments from a simple majority to 60 of the vote. This would make it harder for ohio voters to pass future constitutional amendments, including one on the November Ballot to guarantee Abortion Rights. It means the party of Voter Suppression and gerrymandering is resorting yet again to crushing democracy to get what it wants. But its not what ohio wants. And that is next. Im 65. 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This vote comes just about three months before ohio voters will vote on a constitutional amendment preserving Abortion Access in the state. Many are calling this referendum an attempt by Ohio Republicans to move the goalposts just ahead of the Abortion Access vote. Joining me is katie paris, founder of red wine and blue, an Advocacy Group that opposes issue one. Thank you for being here. Lets talk about this. The polls are very clear. Do people support state issue one . Which is, i believe, the issue about, you know, putting Abortion Rights in the constitution. Yes. Its about twothirds of people do. Do you support the Abortion Rights amendment itself, 58 , sorry. 58 oppose issue one, which is the one that would make the threshold higher, and twothirds about the same support Abortion Rights. Are you concerned that this wont pass, though, because of turnout and because its summer . Well, that is certainly what republicans are counting on. And look, its confusing, right . We have got to vote no in august before we vote yes in november to protect our Reproductive Rights. And theres no question that ohioans do not support giving ourselves less of a voice. We would like to continue to have access to citizenled Ballot Initiatives as we have for 112 years. But just ahead of us passing Reproductive Rights because republicans know were going do that to all of the polls show, like you said, about twothirds of voters support protecting our Reproductive Rights. 85 of independent women support this Reproductive Rights initiative. They know theyll lose if it can pass under the current rules which would just require a simple majority. Majority rules, one person, one vote. Theyre trying to change the rules and they know they have something to worry about because the polls are very bad for them and turnout is very bad for them. They were expecting to have a quiet election in august, where no one would notice, and instead, 700,000 people in ohio have voted already. Thats hundreds of thousands more than we saw who had voted early in the election that they held last year in august. And its actually 150,000 more votes even than we saw in the may primary which was a big deal last year in ohio. It was the u. S. Senate primary, and it was a very competitive race. Were even seeing more voting on that in august on an issue, on a Ballot Initiative issue, so i think that that is leading to some desperation on their side, to be sure. Obviously, theres the United States senate race in november that would be on the same ballot with the Abortion Rights measure. So i think republicans probably understand that if you get more women and younger people to the polls thats probably not good for them overall in terms of their political sort of desires. But has anyone expressed any reservation on the republican side to you that you know of, because it does feel like these are a bunch of men who are trying to strip women of their rights against the will of twothirds of the state . Yeah, no question about it. This is not really a partisan issue. I mean, people want to be able to have a voice in our democracy. And so its interesting driving across the state, sometimes youll actually see republican signs in someones yard, even in some cases trump signs, but then theyll have a vote no on issue one because they want to be able to have a direct voice in our democracy. So theres no question that this is bringing over lots of independents to call this a Cross Partisan Coalition and thats making the vote yes people, the people who want us to have les of a voice, they want to take away majority rule, thats making them very nervous. Were seeing a lot of disinformation out here on the ground, unfortunately. Has there been any reaction or whats your reaction to the fact that the women in texas who sued the state of texas because in many cases they could have died or have been left unable to ever have children again because their state essentially says even if youre going to give birth to a child with a nonformed cranium or a child that is already dead, you have to do it. Even if youre a child yourself. They have won at least so far, but the Attorney General there is still suing. He still wants people to be forced to essentially die in child birth. What has been your reaction to kind of that playing out in another state . I mean, the issue of reproductive freedom is going to continue to be an issue until we get our rights back. I mean, and its because were seeing stories like this play out. So many women, we have had complications in our pregnancies or someone we know has, many people we know have. This is deeply personal. Its inhumane. Amanda, one of the leading women in that case, she came and spoke with the women of red wine and blue. There wasnt a dry eye in the or any other state treat womenur the way that shes been treated in texas. And so, we are standing by her. We are standing up for her. And we are not gonna let that happen anywhere else. And until politicians and pundits get the message that abortion is going to continue to be a motivating factor in these elections until we get the rights back, theyre gonna keep getting these elections wrong. Katie paris, good luck. So, just to remind people, because i hadnt switched around. People are being asked by you to vote no in this election tomorrow. So that they can vote yes in november. I want to make sure that i did not switch that around, is that correct . Thats right. You had it right. Youve got to vote no. Saying no taking our voices away, saying no to all the disinformation, vote no tomorrow, absolutely, vote no. Thank you for that, joy. 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What better occasion to talk about the awesome power of what i believe to be one of the most potent forms of Self Expression to be known in humankind. And so, we are going to be debuting hiphop focused blogs, podcasts, some playlists as well. Look, you might even see segments like keep my tools on me [laughter] but the point here is really to celebrate the last 50 years of hiphop, but also to assess what the future of hiphop looks as well. As i write in the introductory post, hiphop has touched every aspect from politics to race to business to power to sex to technology to space, even. I talk about how in march, the first song to be debuted from outer space was produced by lazarus, who was a rapper on a space station. So, this speaks to how hiphop really does reach all kinds of people. It began as this art form that was devised by disadvantaged black and latinos in the bronx. And it has surged far beyond that. And as i say in the article, it has become an art form that a lot of people want to cling to, a lot of people want to pick from, and you know, even a lot of people who are not black or latino have been able to bring it to their own right as well. This is an opportunity for us here at the reidout to celebrate the legacy of hiphop, and to talk about what that future looks like, both from the tech aspect of it, but also just in terms of the lyrics, and the physical embodiment of hiphop as well. We have to dance, dances, dense culture is a big part of hiphop culture. I read about car culture, how its been influenced by hiphop. I write about how just, you know, sexuality and vulgarity, as its been, hiphop has been deemed as this vulgar genre. But people often use this genre to kind of subvert those expectations that people have of them in their sexuality. This is an opportunity, like i said, for us to celebrate in this genre that is farreaching. I talk about how its multi generation, interdisciplinary, and even intergalactic. So, a lot going on in the next month. Hiphop went to the supreme court. Look, until luke donald trump is talking about his free speech friends. Uncle luke, it looked like he never done that. It is interesting because this is a genre, you know, if there was a time when Country Music was the number one form of music in america, but hiphop globally is actually, you know, the dominant form of music that has influenced everything, including Country Music. I do have to ask you, though, because of the culture also is, you know, hiphop culture does predominant. And it lives in morals that live on social media. I got to ask, you do have your folded chair ready for any hater who might have something to say about this new series . Is your folded chair ready, jahan jones . And you know what i mean. You are talking about the montgomery throw down. I just want to let you know, as a wwe fan, i love a good share shot. Im not gonna go on and be violent. Just in term of the, phone i have to give that person credit. I gotta give Black Culture credit. Black culture is undefeated, well tell you what we are talking about tomorrow. But, jahan jones, thank you very much. Be sure to check out the new Digital Series. It is called hiphop is universal. All of jahans commentary would be there. And it is at the reidout blog. Better yet, just bookmark it, so you dont miss anything. That is tonights reidout. All in with chris hayes starts now. Now. Tonight on all in you take a look at that case, you say that guy is a sick man. Theres something wrong with him. The united ex president and his monster mode in the department of justice response. What seems to be an issue is that jack smith isnt liking the discomfort of the attention from what he brought. Tonight, the latest on a protective order for donald trump, and what it means to run a campaign with multiple Legal Defenses all at once. 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