Donald trump, President Trump, believed in his heart of hearts that he had won that election. As any american citizen, he had a right to speak out under the first amendment. He had a right to petition governments around the country, state governments. This is based on his grievances that Election Irregularities had occurred. He had every right to speak about the important issues that were taking place after the election. It is coming as the judge stands by a monday deadline for that legal team to answer for an ominous threat delivered by trump. The Special Counsel is taking action to counter. Across, President Biden is trying to stay above the fray when it comes to the 2024 opponents legal issues. As the time to start taking trump. On im going to talk to Julian Castro about the Candidates Campaign strategy. Were also keeping an eye on Breaking News out of alaska. Stunning images as major flooding hits the state. I dramatic and to the american womens world cup dreams. Were going to take you to australia for that. We begin with those new developments in the latest trump indictment. A judge in the interference case denied a request from trumps legal team for an extension on the deadline to respond after prosecutors asked for a protective order. This is acute the former president from disclosing evidence and other case information. The trump team has until five pm monday to respond. Joining me now, jordan reuben, writer for msnbc. Com. A former prosecutor for the New York County District Attorneys Office in manhattan. Also with, as robert mcquade, nbc legal analyst and attorney in michigan. Take a look at that background. Coming through. Jordan, let me start with you on this one. Does this really show the judge is not going to comply when it comes to what looks to be the trump teams Delay Tactics . I think thats right. Its certainly, we couldnt have gotten a quicker hands in this. This is on top of her already signaling that she wants to know, sooner rather than later, what the respective size of the trial dates. Are we are going to get really quick clues about how the judge is handling this. We already had one, even unexpectedly, over the weekends. This is for knocking down trumps attempt to delay, responded to a motion for a in order. Talk me through, jordan, if you will, one Order Protection would really mean. We know its going to keep trump from disclosing some of the evidence of change in the trial, but will it keep him from making these kinds of threatening posts that we have been seen and this time, what were used to see him for the former president. Not necessarily. Its important to remember that this order of protection motion, they didnt make a gets on the post. We had to get an Order Protection. Now this is an order, a motion i should say, that they were already going to make to try to prevent trump from disclosing sensitive information, grand jury information, witness information. It just so happens that this threat that he made happen to be a good supporting evidence that the Special Counsel included in extra reason why trump needs this protective order. The government is successful here, trump wont be allowed to disclose sensitive information, grand jury information, because this is all dependence, this is all related to the timeline too. They are ready to hand over discovery to the defense, but were not comfortable doing that until this protective order is in place. Thats what the government is trying to accomplish here. Jordan, reuben thank you for joining us. Barb, lets get into more of this. Trumps attorney, john laura, will be making the rounds a lot to say the least listen to, show especially this morning. I had a fairly Tense Exchange with her own chuck todd. Lets take a listen to that. It was specifically about, of course, a former Vice President s role in all of this. Mentioned, i believe, over 100 times in the 45page indictment. Lets listen, then well talk. He said the president asked them to violate the constitution. He said the president asked him to violate the constitution which is another way of saying that he asked him to write the law. He never said, no, thats wrong, thats wrong. A technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law. Thats just plain wrong. Barb, what you make of that . Thats just plain wrong. What he just said. Importantly, this is all going to be in a court of law where the judge will instruct a jury on the law, and the parties will hear the actual evidence. Whats charged here is the conspiracy to prop the United States of obstruction of an official proceeding, deprivation of rights. To the extent that he was pressuring mike pence to violate those laws, to violate our fundamental democracy, the lawful transfer of president ial power, its absolutely illegal. This is all in offensive campaign to convince the electorate, but what will happen in court will be very different from what were hearing come out of jungles mouth. Its interesting because theyre also kind of doubling down on this idea, and this is something that i think many of us expect, at this idea of a tenth, right . What theyre jacket as the atteion, the evidence to prove this. It seems like this is mounting and the case. The former president of the United States actually believe that this election was stolen the actions that he carried out leading up to and on january six were because that he believes that this election was stolen. He said it again today on the sunday shows this morning. Does this even matter . Does that, is that even a defense . No, yasmin. It feels like a matter of fact, and a matter of. Law as a matter of fact, this indictment throughout all the ways, every which way to sunday, that donald trump absolutely knew he had lost the election. Everyone told him that, he failed and all of his legal challenges. It feels as a matteroffact, but as you say, it also feels as a matter of law. Even if you think that the ends justify the means, if the means are illegal, it is still a crime. I cannot temper with a witness, and ask them to lie, just because i believe im innocent of the underlying crime. The Witness Tampering is still illegal. Similarly, if donald trump is not using lawful means to challenge what he believes is an unfair election, he had legal means to do that. Whats alleged in this indictment is that he used illegal means. I want to draw a little on this case that we heard from laurel as well, referring to what happened with kennedy back in 1960 in the state of hawaii, right . That was a Court Ordered recount. Theyre kind of pointing to that and saying, listen, look at what kennedy did in 1860. There was a recount in place, they had electors in line, ready to go. Then subsequently, lets just say, after the Court Ordered recounts, before the recount they said nixon was declared the winner at the time. Then subsequently after the recount, it was in fact kennedy who pulled through in the state of hawaii. Im confused as to how there are equating that with what they try to pull off when it came to this elector scheme. Yasmin, this is just a classic case of whataboutism. Just throw it out there, say that the other side was corrupt, therefore you can hold donald trump accountable. Number, when it doesnt matter what has happened in the past. Lots of people get away with filing the law, it does mean you get to violate the. Law the next time you pulled over by a police officer, its not going to work. Regardless of, that its different, but i think that if they just throw it out, there most members of the public are not going to focus on the minutiae, and on the details. They just say, kennedy, hawaii, something, something, something. See, we win. It is all about throwing enough information out there, and then again, one of the real pieces of corruption and the putin regime, another authoritarian regimes, is not to convince you that this candidate is honest. Its to convince you that everybody else is dishonest. If everyone else is dishonest, and everyones corrupt, then this suffers along with and telegraphy. Then you may as will go with the man whos at your back. I want to read for you these legal strategies that have been laid out by the trump team. I want you to weigh in on those. Number one, delay travel until after the 2024 election, then of course, if he were to win the election, he wouldnt pardon himself when it came to these federal offenses. Number, to count on friendly judges to steer things in his favor. It doesnt seem like that is necessarily happen aim, at least not a washington post,. Cedar, three frame every defeat as political vendetta. Something you just pointed out. Then trust the Supreme Court will overturn any given verdicts. Wayne on these for me. I think that the third one is the one that were seen so much of right, now that everything hes doing, hes almost begging the judge into imposing orders against him, so that he will have evidence later to say, looks, she was against me. This post about mike pence, so intimidating, something against someone who will should be a witness. Then what, i gave border . Then what happens if he goes against. Does she gelsolin his running for president . If she does, theyll say, foul. If she doesnt, hell continue to roll with impunity. I think youre right, thats a part of a strategy. Barbara mcquade, looks like you had a green thumb. If he didnt that gardening behind you, its not, mine but i love it. But marco mcquade, thank you. In the next hour, were going to speak with somebody who was a target during the january 6th attack. Congresswoman old harbor omar with her reaction to the indictment. First, were back in 60 seconds. Alaskas historic flooding is causing entire homes, look at that. Look at, that theyll be swept away. This is sparking evacuations in the state capital. Well be right back. T afford essential School Supplies. Subaru and our retailers are there to help by giving millions of dollars in funding along with School Supplies students need. We call it the Subaru Love Promise and we are proud to be the largest corporate supporter of adoptaclassroom. Org. Its just one of the reasons forbes ranked subaru the number one automotive brand for social impact. Subaru. More than a car company. vo Verizon Small Business days are coming. From august 7th to the 13th. Now is the time to partner with our experts. Get started today with verizon business. Its your business. Its your verizon. Some Breaking News from washington, d. C. Six people were killed in a series of mass shootings. The first occurred around one a. M. A northwest washington, an area known for its nightlife. Officers found three men with gunshot wounds, two are pronounced at on the scene. The third was taken to the hospital with lifethreatening injuries. About two hours later, another man was taken to the hospital after being shot in a separate incidents. Just steps away, a few hours after officers found yet another man shot dead in what appears to be an unrelated incidents. Earlier that night, three more people were killed in a gunfight across town and south east washington. Two other people were injured there as well. Police have yet to identify a suspect in any of these shootings, washington d. C. Has now recorded the highest rated killings in at least two decades. All right, lets get to that Breaking News i was just talking about, coming out of alaska. Natures fury unleashed. Watch this. There goes,. Stunning images there to say the least. Unbelievable. An entire home crumbling their. That is just one example of the severe flooding that is devastating parts of juneau. But this is no ordinary flood, by the way. This is Climate Change on full display. Nbcs Priscilla Thompson is tracking it for us. Priscilla, good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us on this. What is going on . Yeah, yasmin, we are seeing major flooding in juneau after the Mendenhall River crested overnight at a Record Setting 14. 9 feet. That is nearly three feet higher than the previous record set. You showed that dramatic video of that Home Collapsing into the river. Officials say there are several homes and trees that have just floated away because of those rushing waters. All of this started on saturday. This flooding began. This happened because of a major release from the Suicide Basin in juneau. We actually have a time lapse where you can see how quickly that water began to go down over the past several days, as it was flooding into the river. And the good news is that now that water is starting to recede, and also officials there have not yet reported any deaths. It may be possible that so far everyone is safe and sound. But of course, there is a lot of structural damage that they are dealing with there. They are not Out Of The Woods just yet, even as that water is receding there is still the risk of erosion. We could see more homes destroyed and more structures destroyed as things continue to settle there in juneau. Talk more about this glacier. Fairly wellknown, i should say, the tourists. Very wellknown, yasmin. Some 700,000 people a year flock to juneau to see this glacier, which is just a few miles from the city, and its one of the only glaciers in the u. S. Where you can stand on the soil and see it from there. But Climate Change has been having a real impact. That glacier has been melting at a higher rate and then the snowfall that would replenish it. Experts are predicting that by 2050, you may not even be able to see that glacier from the tourist center, where so many hundreds of thousands flock to now in order to do that. So lots of but Priscilla Thompson for us, thank you, appreciate it. Coming up, heading overseas. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressing interest in backing away from part of his plan to overhaul the judicial system. This is coming after months of ongoing protests that have ripped the country apart. Also the questions surrounding the seemingly impending charges in the george ndas case against donald trump. Watch this. Wow. Sweden winds. It all came down to a penalty kick review, but team usa is out at the world cup. My wifes name is joy. Weve been married 45 years. Im taking a twoyear business course. Ive been studying a lot. Ive been producing and directing for over 50 years. Its a very detailed thing and the pressures all on me. I noticed i really wasnt quite as sharp as i was. My boss told me about prevagen and i started taking it. I feel sharper. My memorys a lot better. It just works. Prevagen. At stores everywhere without a prescription. Thats me before dawn powerwash. Soaking, scrubbing. Thats life. Was life. Now, powerwash gives me the power of an overnight soak in minutes. Im sorry, minutes . With 3 cleaning boosters. Not found in traditional dish soaps that help break down, loosen and lift away food and grease. So much faster tougher mess . Let the suds sit a few minutes before wiping. Even cleans. The grill thank you what causes a curve down there . Is it peyronies disease . Will it get worse . How common is it . Who can i talk to . Can this be treated . Stop typing. Start talking to a specialized urologist. Because it could be peyronies disease, or pd. Its a medical condition where there is a curve in the erection, caused by a formation of scar tissue. And an estimated 1 in 10 men may have it. But pd can be treated even without surgery. Say goodbye to searching online. Find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a Treatment Plan with you. Visit makeapdplan. Com today. Theres Never A Dull Moment for the nelsons. And Build A Treatment Fifth Generation montana ranchers. Since 1868, theyve been. Move herding cattle, reeling in trout, and exploring Paradise Valley from their backyard. Heres to another 150 years of adventure. Theres a story in every piece of land. Run with us on a John Deere Gator xuv and start telling yours. At typical insurance, youre just another senior. Thats the third Health Insurance commercial with seniors at a farmers market. Right . Dont get me wrong i love a fresh heirloom, but its like those Companies Think were all the same. Thats why i chose humana. Before i signed up, i spoke to someone who actually listened to what i needed. She told me about benefits that were right for me, like vision and dental. All in my budget. I finally feel in control. What are you doing . Taking control. Humana. A more human way to healthcare. Sleepovers just arent what they used to be. Humana. A house full of screens . Basically no hiccups . You guys have no idea how good youve got it. How old are you . Like, 80 . Back in my day, it was scary stories and flashlights. We dont get scared. Oh, really . Mom can see your search history. Thats what i thought. Introducing the next generation 10g network. Only from xfinity. Emily kohrs served as she is limited in what she can share. A judge ordered deliberations must stay under wraps, but she confirms the jurors a did recommend indictments against multiple people. Its not a short list. We are talking about more than a dozen people. I would say that, yes. Are these recognizable names . Names people would know . There are certainly names you would recognize, yes. All, right so that is the former special grand jury person of Fulton County georgia speaking to nbc news in february. Her grandeur elected the power to hand out an indictment against donald trump or anyone else, for that matter. But the current grand jury could do so as soon as this week. The timing, of course, we dont necessarily know. Joining me now to talk more about this, katie phang, msnbc legal contributor, host of the katie phang show, a former Florida State prosecutor, extensive felony trial experience. Not that we needed that disclaimer, by the way. Everybody knows you know what you are talking about, katie phang. Thank you so much for joining us and make this an extra long day for you. Appreciate it, my friend. That other grand jury, right, was only tasked with investigating Election Interference by trump and his allies. The current grandeur he could hand out this indictment we are possibly waiting on. How seriously do you take the idea that fani willis, the Fulton County d. A. , could seek multiple indictments here, even with the jacks mitt only getting an indictment against trump himself . Yeah, so, theres actually technically to granaries that have been seated. The reason why is the public doesnt need to know which one of those grand juries issues indictments that we are going to see rolling out in the next week or two. I anticipate and my sources have indicated its going to be more than one indictment. Why . Well, you saw jack smith, he did one indictment with one defendant, and that being former President Donald Trump with six unindicted coconspirators. It doesnt mean that they will get two weeks later, on doesnt mean theyre face their own indictments, but in this instance, fani willis can do the same type of strategic calculus. Should i just knew donald trump, donald trump and multiple codefendants . The pace, the speed, the timing, the efficiency of the case, that could be part of the analysis for her. It could also be, i am going to present everything i have to these grand juries and then i am going to allow that grand jury to issue its recommendations. Now, remember, its a true bill that gets returned. That original special grand jury set, here is a report, heres our recommendations. But this grand jury now, yasmin, itll issue a true bill, meaning itll say this is the indictment and the charges we believe are reaching the standard that needs to be met to get them. Talk about these possible rico charges. A lot more broad than weve been seeing in jack smiths indictment. Georgia has a fascinating rico statute. Its a racketeering statute. You often hear it spoken in the terms of mobs, right . The idea that these mob groups are doing racketeering. In this instance, in georgia, in order to prove a rico interstate statue, the Trump Campaign was a criminal enterprise that pursued a pattern of racketeering activity. In georgia, the statute allows for 40 Predicate Acts. Meaning these are at least two acts, two crimes that had to be proven that the defendant committed. They can be done for the violation of state laws or federal laws. What is also interesting in georgia, yasmin, is that solicitation, in the attacks, normally those doses dont count for and this instance we know that special grand jury and that fani willis has been investigating things that run the gamut from Computer Trespass to false statements. There is definitely Predicate Acts that exist fani willis could pursue. She told the reporters that shes read the federal indictment. She was asked if she had read it. Nothing about that federal indictment that she read actually supplies her would stop her from moving forward with what she actually sees as charges that are incoming. I want to play for you what else she told reporters on thursday. Are you coordinating with the Special Counsels office at all . Im not going to comment on the investigation at this time. How much overlap is there between what you are planning to do and what is in the Special Counsels investigation or indictment . Obviously, we are concentrating on georgia and things that impacted georgia. Does it affect what you are planning to do . No. Its interesting, right . Shed been asked in the past whether or not she was in communication with the Special Counsel, especially when it came to the timing. At one point she said, even if she stood next to jack smith, shes not sure jack smith would recognize her and vice versa. Do you buy that, that there is no communication happening between the Fulton County d. A. , jack smith, alvin bragg, so on and so forth . As we, know yasmin, in the georgia episode with the fake electors scheme took up five pages of jacksons recent third indictment of donald trump. I do believe that it is very feasible that there hasnt been a massive information or evidence share between funny wallaces office and i think you dont want to feed into the narrative on Donald Trumps side that there is been some huge conspiracy between the deep state entities of the federal government and the state governments, right . And the prosecuting agencies, theyve been coordinating to have this huge conspiracy against them. Frankly, fani willis has a very narrow line of just what happened in her jurisdiction. Because of that, i would not be surprised if there was no coordination between those offices. Katie fang, my friend, as always, fantastic to see you. Thank you. By the way, dont forget to catch katie every weekend right here, msnbc beginning 8 am eastern on the katie phang show. Thanks, katie. All right, coming up, Donald Trumps Attorney General appearing in all this sunday morning talk shows. The latest defense hes making for his client. And President Biden and trump tied oneonone, former president ial candidate Julian Castro on what he believes biden needs to do to break out, to boost enthusiasm. We will be right back. Right back. To sleep, so when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. We went to safelite. Com. Theres no one else wed trust. Their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our cars advanced safety system. They focus on our safety. So we can focus on this little guy. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. Ya know, if you were cashbacking you could earn on everything with just one card. Chase freedom unlimited. So, if youre off the racking. Or crab cracking, youre cashbacking. Cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. Nah, im working on my six pack. Switch to a king suite or book a silent retreat. Silent retreat . Hold up yeeerp . I cant talk right now, im at a silent retreat. Cashback on everything you buy with Chase Freedom Unlimited with no annual fee. How do you cashback . Chase. Make more of whats yours. tony hawk skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. How do you cashback . I take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. Why qunol . It has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric. Qunol. The brand i trust. Bug spray works best. When your family actually wears it. Get odorfree eight hour protection from mosquitoes and ticks without the ick. Zevo onbody repellent. People love it. Bugs hate it. This is an attack on you and members of the press, im really surprised people havent spoken out about it, with the government, what the Biden Administration is trying to do is prevent the press from lying about exculpatory and helpful information, evidence that the people have a right to know about. So that was trump lawyer John Laura Sharing his thoughts on the protective order that prosecutors have asked to be issued to the former president. Limit what information trump and his team would be allowed to publicly share about the case, coming in response to a series of threatening posts untruth social by the president , including when typed in all caps that reads, if you go after me, im coming after you. Joining us now for more on this is the former fbi that system deputy director, and author of the book compromise, counterintelligence and the threat of donald j trump. Peter, thanks for joining us on his. I appreciate it. And what seems as if right, laurel, is doing his best to frame this protective order as an attack on the press. Its clearly more about these explicit threats that are being made essentially saying as i just mentioned, if youre coming after me, im going after you. That could mean a lot of different things. But this is not necessarily new when it comes to donald trump and what he is being attacked hes gone after the manhattan d. A. As well and given similar warnings during that initial hearing as well. What is your reaction to the framing from his defense team . Yasmin, i think its a lot of nonsense. The fact of the matter is, protective orders have frequently occurred in criminal prosecutions. In fact, one of the proposals that the government sent to trumps attorneys was a protective order that came out of washington, d. C. One of the same courts trump will be where his trial will take place. This is nothing unusual. Certainly in the context of trump where you posted that truth tweet, whatever its called, that he made an ostensible threat. The fact of the matter, is he has attacked jack smith and his family, specifically, hes gone after the judge this morning, talking about her. He has gone after hes mentioned alvin bragg. The fact is he has gone after judges, prosecutors, and even mike pence going after witnesses. In the context when you have somebody who is not only saying specific things about all of these people but doing it in a way where some of the supporters lets not forget, somebody who attacked the fbi field offices in cincinnati. The explosive devices and send it to what were viewed as opponents of trump. Someone who took it into his own hands after seeing trump talk about it and track down brock obamas home in washington, d. C. There are a fringe elements of his followers who are ready to listen to the statements and see them as a call to violent action. That is the issue here. You have been targeted by the former president directly. Weve obviously seen, as weve seen the targets being jack smith and alvin bragg, Fulton County d. A. Fani willis as well with an impending indictment coming out of that. How do you navigate that . It is certainly difficult. Look, there is a direct correlation from the times where former President Trump would either tweet about me or mentioned me in some speech and the resultant response. Whether or hate, mail mailings, occasionally people showing up. So it does matter. When he says things like this, people do things. That is why it is important. Im struck by the fact that every time we see jacks mitt on television, he is accompanied by a protective detail. One of the things that was most striking in director wrays recent testimony to congress was the fbi has created an entire new unit that never existed before to track threats to fbi personnel. So again, that is the environment we are living in. Certainly, as somebody who personally has experienced, it whos experienced my family being targeted by trump, that is something that is always there in the back of your mind. I am certain it is not going to stop jack smith, fani willis, alvin bragg, or any of the judges assigned to these matters from doing their job. But it certainly is there in the back of their mind. Certainly something im sure they are thinking about every morning and every night, whether they are at home or on their way to work. Again, its important to know, this protective order that was asked for by the prosecution, by the Special Counsel was about revealing the possible revealing of the Discovery Material Being handed over to the defense team. Not necessarily even the threats being made to jack smith and others on the team, along with, you know, things that have been set by the former president of the United States. Let me ask you one more thing, peter, before i let you go. You are engaged in ongoing Wrongful Termination lawsuit against the former president over your dismissal from the fbi five years ago. There is a chance you could be in a courtroom with the former president , he could in fact testify in that case. What do you think the chair chances are that the former president of the United States testifies in this january six trial . I think it is going to be interesting. I think president , trump in the context of his indictment for the january six activities will talk a big game about wanting to tell the truth and share his side of the story. But i suspect when push comes to shove, he will do just like you did with Special Counsel mueller and so many other folks. He will shy away and be scared of testifying. Look, there is very little legal upside for former President Trump testifying at trial. Some of the defenses, the people around him are claiming he will have to take the stand if he wants to do it. But i cant envision a scenario where any of his attorneys is going to council him to get up there on the stand. With President Trump, hes a wildcard. Former President Trump, i dont know what he is going to do. Should he take the stand or it would be a disaster for him. Peter, thank you sir. Appreciate it. The biden president ial campaign, meantime, is just about the last place you will hear anyone talking publicly at length about Donald Trumps troubles. That includes Biden Campaign manager Chavez Rodriguez who sat down with an exclusive interview with Alicia Menendez on last nights american voices. For us, its about making sure that we are really talking to the American People about the issues that matter most. We know that these court cases will continue to move forward and they will take their course of action. But for us, again, its really making sure that we are talking to voters about lowering Prescription Drug costs, energy costs, really focused on what matters most to them right now. By the president remains in this dead heat. Look at, this with trump, in the latest New York Times college poll. 43 to 43, with me now msnbc political analyst Julian Castro, of course, he was had secretary under president obama and then vice President Biden and a 2020 president ial candidate. Welcome to you both. Ali, start things off for us, if you will. The president is on vacation the last couple of days. Quite a split screen moment as former donald trump is being arraigned, President Biden is going for a bike ride in delaware. What is next for his campaign and the strategy here, really, as hes looking at campaigning against someone who will be three times, possibly four times indicted and maybe going to trial during that time . Yeah, yasmin, this is definitely an unprecedented situation that we are seeing play out, not just again in 2020, but also four years later now expected in 2024. And what is so interesting about this is if you ask the biden team, the campaign, whether they are concerned about, as you mentioned, those lagging poll numbers, slower fundraising totals, concerns about the president s age, they will tell you that they believe that they should keep operating along the status quo. They believe that at some point the tides will more sharply turn in their favor. You heard the 2024 Campaign Manager julie Chavez Rodriguez lay out there why she thinks this. She believes that they have to keep doing what they are doing, talking about and not necessarily the most exciting or enticing issues for voters. These are issues they see has non partisan issues that they think affect all americans and all americans can relate to because they think that is what is going to help them win in 2024 in the long term. Issues like manufacturing, inflation, infrastructure. So aspect to continue seeing the president continue this vow of silence that hes actually directed his aides and staffers keep for a couple reasons. Politically, hes the one who appears hes trying to weigh in after some political benefit. And also legally, he wants to respect the independence of the Justice Department that he has vowed to keep independent from his administration. Some biden allies are expressing some concern that this long term vow of silence isnt sustainable. Going into 2024, for the most, part what we are hearing right now is there no plan to change course right now. They are fully embracing the fact that trump, for the most part, is sucking the oxygen out of the room. The Biden Campaign is not necessarily working behind the scenes, but they are definitely working in much less of a spotlight than the former president is operating in right now. For now, they are okay with that, yasmin. Allie raffa for us, thank you. I will let you get back to. It appreciate you. Julia, lets talk through a couple things here. When john low roe, the former president s attorney who i believe it was eros he actually said at one point during that interview that what is happening is the former president of the United States, President Biden, is weaponizing his Department Of Justice to go after his opponent. He is putting this on the president of the United States. We can kind of understand why that Biden Administration is kind of approaching the situation in the way that they are. Because of statements like that which are categorically untrue. The Special Counsel is completely independent from the Biden Administration. The Department Of Justice, Merrick Garland, Attorney General Merrick Garland completely independent from the Biden Administration. All that being said, how do you kind of ride that line . Because eventually, he will be running against someone whos already been three times indicted and likely for by the time they are in the thick of the 24 campaign season. Yeah, yasmin. This is a tough balancing act, as you say. If joe biden were to go out there and directly attack donald trump and talk about his legal problems, and he, in some ways, plays right into the hands of trump and his legal team and campaign team. Making it seem as though they are weaponizing the doj, which they are absolutely not doing and biden has been very ethical in his approach here of maintaining independence from the Law Enforcement agency of his administration. On the other hand, though, he probably is going to face donald trump in a oneonone in november 2024. The best thing you can do is to help make sure that trump is as weak as possible. Where is the middle ground . I think the middle ground is to have biden keep doing what he is doing, do his job, show how he has delivered, to be a man in motion, exude energy, do as many of events out there or ribbon cuttings, delivering on the promise of fighting Climate Change and creating infrastructure, Everything Else they are amplifying. But then also have other folks in the Democratic Political ecosystem, congressional representatives, the dnc, governors who are on board with a biden to make that case against donald trump so that you really drive home to the American People what is at stake here. Lets face it, in many ways, joe biden won in 2020 not because he was an aspirational candidate and inspiring like barack obama was or bill clinton in 1992, but because he wasnt donald trump. Right. They need to make that case right now as consistently as possible. A big part of that is look how corrupt and dirty Donald Trumps. Its okay for joe biden to make that, case but you really should have others making that case right now. Essentially, march your most popular surrogates out there. Get brock about my other making the case that President Biden doesnt have to do it and other folks like that. You talked about enthusiasm, which i think is really interesting. I want to show you this graph we have up here, and the lack of enthusiasm that is happening for President Biden right now. Obviously, the purple here representing in 2020, right . Enthusiasm across the board amongst women, amongst young people, latino voters, black voters, independent voters as well. In 2023, significantly down. Why do you think this is . I mean, its hard to say. I think the administration is getting on the right track, they are focused on bidenomics and how well the economy is doing. In a lot of ways, that is a message that will take some time to get through. But thats the thing, i dont mean to cut you off, but the economy, yes, weve had this recent downgrade, not great, to be honest, for the Biden Administration. But overall, the economy seems to be doing pretty well and faring pretty well, especially considering the predictions that were being made way back when as to where we would be right now. The political perception does not match the reality of a lot of peoples lives. The good news there is you still have all these months between now and november of 2024. Biden also has the luxury of running like a general election candidate because he doesnt have very strong primary opposition. When i saw those numbers, particularly with latinos in the New York Times poll that had it and biden 40, one trump 38, for me, that was mindboggling. I dont believe he is that week with the latino community. But the fact that you are anywhere in that range of only being three points ahead, that and the other numbers you pointed out should be a big red flag. They have to, as i, said exude energy, address that age issue, not just talk about a laundry list of what has been delivered but go out there and show that. And also to be a fighter on Climate Change, so many other issues people care about, so that folks are energized and enthused about going to the polls and they dont decide to sit on the sidelines. I dont think we will vote for donald trump. I think the danger here is that they dont they dont vote. A few ten thousands of votes, arizona, 11,000 votes in 2020, if you pulse it on the sidelines, that is the whole ball game. Julian castro, thank you. Coming up, in the next, hour minnesota democratic congresswoman ilhan omar joining me to discuss trumps latest indictment and her thoughts on how gop members potentially impeaching President Biden in response. Thats why they choose tmobile for business. Mlb partners with tmobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. Aaa relies on tmobiles network to stay connected nationwide, so they can help get their members back on the road. And were helping pano ai innovate, to stop the spread of wildfires. Nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network can do for your business. When you shop wayfair, nows the time to see what americas largest 5g network you get big deals for your home every day. So big, well have you saying. Am i a big deal . Yeah you are, because its a big deal, when you get a big deal. Wayfair deals so big that you might get a big head. Because with savings so real. You can get your dream sofa for half the price. Wayfair. Its always a big deal. Wayfair, youve got just what i need so i didnt think i needed swiffer, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it only takes a minute. Look at that the heavy duty cloths are extra thick, for amazing trap lock. Even for his hair. Wow. And for dust, i love my heavy duty duster. The Fluffy Fibers trap dust on contact, up high and all around without having to lift a thing. Im so hooked. Youll love swiffer. Or your money back welcome. Back we are following Breaking News out of israel. Prime minister netanyahu expressing interest today in backing away from part of his plan to overhaul the nations judicial system. In an interview with bloomberg, netanyahu saying he could instead up for much smaller scale changes to the judiciary, focusing only on the committee that elects judges and abandoning the other changes. The Prime Ministers original plan wouldve seen a major consolidation of power away from the courts, which sparked massive protests throughout the country that have lasted for months now. A russian guided arab on destroyed a Blood Transfusion Center in northeast ukraine overnight, killing two people and injuring four others, according to local officials there. Ukrainian president zelenskyy describing the strike as a war crime and says everything about russian aggression it comes one day after a Russian Oil Tanker under u. S. Sanctions was damaged in a ukrainian c drone strike. You are seeing footage that purports to show the moment of impact near a critical bridge that links russia to occupy crimea. A ukrainian intelligence source telling nbc the drone was loaded with dynamite and ukraines Security Services and navy carried out the attack. Coming up at the top of the, hour what to expect as tomorrows deadline looms for Donald Trumps team to respond to a protective order request in his Election Fraud case after he posted threats online. Up next, a dramatic finish for the u. S. Womens world cup team, but not the one we all wanted. Well be right back. Zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. They work continuously, so you dont have to. Zevo. Peoplefriendly. Bugdeadly. vo ninetytwo percent of students in highneeds schools cant afford essential School Supplies. Peoplefriendly. Subaru and our retailers are there to help by giving millions of dollars in funding along with School Supplies students need. We call it the Subaru Love Promise and we are proud to be the largest corporate supporter of adoptaclassroom. Org. Its just one of the reasons forbes ranked subaru the number one automotive brand for social impact. Subaru. More than a car company. vo Verizon Small Business days are coming. From august 7th to the 13th. Now is the time to partner with our experts. Get started today with verizon business. Its your business. Its your verizon. Postmenopausal women with hr her2 Metastatic Breast Cancer are living longer with kisqali. So, long live family time. Long live dreams. And long live you. Kisqali is a pill proven to help women live longer when taken with an aromatase inhibitor. And kisqali helps preserve quality of life. So youre not just living, youre living well. Kisqali can cause Lung Problems or an abnormal heartbeat which can lead to death. It can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. Avoid grapefruit during treatment. Tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. Long live hugs and kisses. Ask about kisqali. And long live life. To finally lose 80 pounds and keep it off with golo is amazing. Ask about kisqali. Ive been maintaining. The weight is gone and its never coming back. With golo, ive not only kept off the weight but im happier, im healthier, and i have a new lease on life. Golo is the only thing that will let you lose weight and keep it off. Who loses 138 pounds in nine months . I did golos a Lifestyle Change and you make the change and it stays off. Welcome back. soft music heartbreak in melbourne, where the u. S. Womens National Team crashed out of the world cup in the round of 16, officially ending its quest to defend its title. The americans lost on penalties to sweden 5 to 4 after a scoreless 120 minutes. The u. S. Largely dominated, but the decisive goal proved elusive, paving the way for team usas earliest world cup exit ever. Nbcs molly hunter is following the reaction. Molly . What a heartbreaking way to go out of this tournament ever, certainly not the way the u. S. Fans or the u. S. He wanted to end this bid for that repeat. You can see this sitting behind, me you see the security final people coming out, all those u. S. Fans. There were lots of u. S. Fans in the stadium tonight, got out very quickly, a lot of very joyous swedish fans. We had a chance to catch up with Megan Rapinoe immediately after that game. Of course, she missed one of the piques. Take a quick listen to what she had to say. I dont think there are it doesnt matter who dominated, i felt like we controlled the game at the end of the day, it didnt go in the back of the net. So yeah, it sucks. Now the game really came down to that final penalty kick. The swedish player took the shot, listen there, the u. S. Goalie appeared to save it. Upon review, there were very few tense few seconds on the field, upon review the ball did go all the way across the line. That counts as a goal. First 90 minutes, though, the u. S. Players came out fighting with fire. They were playing with a joy, something the u. S. Players have been talking about all week. We did just hear from u. S. Coach alaska and ton of ski, he held a press conference, usually he does that with a player by his, hide he did it alone tonight. He looked very emotional. He says the future of his team is bright. He says he loves them all and its hard to see them hurting. About Megan Rapinoe, of course, who just played her final match of her final world cup, he says Megan Rapinoe is a legend. If he had to choose who would take those Penalty Kicks again, Megan Rapinoe, he says, is number one the in the world. Its a game of soccer, sometimes the ball is going to go 2 inches to the, left 2 inches to the right. He says he is very proud of his team and he is devastated for them. What is next . Sweden moves on to the quarter finals, where they will play japan. I will send it back to you. Legend that is for sure. Molly, hunter thank you. Staying in the sports world everybody, take a look at this. Two Baseball Players facing suspensions after a fight they started, turning it into a bench clearing brawl. It happened last night after jose ramirez of the Cleveland Guardians slid into 2nd, ramirez then exchanged words with Chicago White sox shortstop tim anderson, with a 2 coming to blows. Both teams running out onto the field, anderson visibly shaken. Several players and coaches also ejected from the game as well. Quite a moment there, to say the least. Looking at how that got started. Weve got a lot more coming, up everybody. You are watching msnbc. Our 2nd hour starts right now. Hi, im yasmin deceiving. If you are just joining, us welcome to you. If you are sticking with, us we are super thankful for that. We are just over 24 hours from that deadline for the Trump Legal Team to respond to Special Counsel concerns over a threat made by the former president. It is coming as trumps lawyers hit all the sunday shows, trying his best to defend his clients conduct. Pence is an attorney, if he had any point setter thought that mr. Trump, President Trump was acting unlawfully or contrary to criminal law, he wouldve said that. No one ever suggested that. President trump actually, he has said that. By the way he said the president asked him to violate the constitution. He said the president asked him to violate the constitution. No, he never said that. He n