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Eddie, my god junior. If youre ready like eddie the lets dive right in. Now make sure you have the right outfit because in this edition well be spending a lot of time at sea. My apologies if you get seasick, but heres whats coming up. Well catch up with fisherman im gonna of the cost. The net off the cooks are reports are needed. Kamani will moderate the heat that st debate on the problem of official and last but not least, of all had to my law, we to meet key determined young environmental now im sure we are allowed to eat off fish stones. We now we said suggest that africans rely on face for an average of 22 percent of the our consumption of animal protein. But we have, i think about this sustainability of the industry due to poor man is meant untracked asses to many fish are being caught. So stocks are dwindling. I bet you didnt know that. So we went to a fish market and legal to find out what people there know about the struggles of the fisherman. Ah, for right now, did you the clinician of the climate, the conditions. 7 today the low level presented of evening. I didnt really say, wow, we dont allow the fish to go outside to the, to what a like, what i try to put it on there is maybe to push on to what that may be a social, not on what that is, what you, what it may cost if we manage all of her, i did do a supermarket to you by that. Ah, okay. First of all though, just by anything you see on the market. Okay. But at a more serious note you had some of the challenges, climate conditions, pollution. But if folks are still trying to survive, or we always want to hear from you of us. So we asked how the problem awful by fission is affecting your part of the well, these are some of the answers we got on facebook from sierra leone. Lets go there fast. We have a comment from Ibrahim Barry who says that pirates ships from china, south korea, spain and portugal are coming to steal stock piles of fish in africa. Ok. Thats a very interesting point about him. Well talk more about that in a few minutes. Now, not comments from simeon in. Cameroon, says most african fishermen thing the fish stalks cannot get finished. You might have a point there simeon, because its difficult to imagine mit ocean without enough fish, right . By the demand for fish is also incredibly high. Our next report looks more into this and how the competition has gotten intense. Our team headed over to the small fish in town or bell mena in my home country, ghana, to hear directly from the fisherman. 17 kilometers offshore. From the guinea and coast. For the past 5 hours, these men have been breathing the choppy swell of the atlantic ocean. But as more and more International Fishing vessels cast their nets into the waters, the nets of the local fishermen city empty. Im not happy at all to day. We didnt get enough fish. As we were expected, the waters in the gulf of guinea was once home to one of the wild, most de vos fishing ground and provided a vital source of employment for many 10 percent of gunners. Population still directly rely on the fishing industry. But what used to be a thriving business has now become a fight for survival. And there were no why i co missing did a when i think, well, its not difficult to stay in business. Another feed into crew and full indic in new has become at that for me. Z or the cobra re sometimes go fishing for tour. You can read on cut a meeting, but because its our profession, we cant stop which warranty i did when its due to me. The main problem face inefficient industry is the activities of chinese vessels where you want to ccr, receive a proper china from huge industrial troll as have invaded the waters of ghana, ignoring restrictions and plundering crucial fish stocks. Almost 90 percent of these vessels, half ties to chinese ownership. The trawler, the scoop up police from the depths to the se. Whats they cant sell on the International Market . They sell at dumping prices to local fishermen or simply toss overboard. It em cycle from if unlicensed vessels fishing in our waters are controlled so the industry can recover my eye from java. Its a vicious cycle in there. This duration the fishermen have resorted to increasingly radical methods to increase their catch from using smaller nets to luring the fish with light to deploying dynamite or even poison. But the sad irony is then now also destroying their own livelihood or your movie. Are you using only local fishermen when you also need to stop resorting to Illegal Fishing methods . In response to the actions of the foreign fishing trailers wasnt look 40 years using it. I mean, the sector starts to gain. Even these activities stopped. One of us i need to, i did my face and a back on shore. The fight for survival continues. The fish mongers dont let a single cent slip away. They driver hard, but again, even for the smallest catch of the day, its survival of the fittest. Whats the name of the army . Yo may be more any our goodness. We have no other profession besides fishing. The yeah. I yeah. From me at the moment our children cant attend school, but he and we are more grossman warburton, if ya is good, we only have a job if the fisherman catching a fish i have heard of. And that is how we are able to take care of our children were being a bonaire yet or some of them. But at the moment there is no means of survival. Annual vis. Got no food for lazy man, an introvert which now leaves a bitter aftertaste. Okay, so on that proverb, sometimes its not an issue of being lazy. Is it cause in this case they want to work, but there are numerous stumbling blocks at the end of the day, as the young people in these communities will suffer the most. So what can be done about this . After the bumpy ride on the fishing boat, our 77 percent crew met with more people involved in trade. But also in regulating what goes on at sea. Either kamani. Take us through the debate. I ah, the 77 percent is in l. Mina town, a place that is famed for its old portuguese castles, but its also popular for its fishing industry, very vibrant. Unfortunately, that sector is being threatened by illegal unreported and also unregulated fishing. And why is that . And who is responsible . Well, no one better to answer that for me than the industry players. And were actually going to begin with richard. Can you please tell me why fishing is so important . Not just an almena, but in ghana about 10 percent of gunners population is represented by the fishing industries. We have the youd and then the children as well. But over the period is moved from generation to generation. But now the fisheries resources are dwindling. So i want to come to nano, you definitely have seen a dwindling as hes described, bit of stocks. But how bad is the situation so many people go to see you come with just a basket. Jesup, on a true or something, the value not even up to 10. 00 or 20. 00 is, is this really is really a hill. So i want to come to climate because weve mentioned that is no fishes. But we also know that these huge industrial vessels who are here on the same waters, what percentage do they make out of all the fish that is caught . I can tell you that the fishers commission has had a lot of regulations that has been implemented to assure that this particular issue is killed. We all understand on the yes dos drindrat ins, dominy, im George Arnold asked, im go so many industrial vessels, industrial muscles, about 4 years bach. The numbers were about 244. As im speaking to you, the numbers are subbing to 6, but all has come about complex come by. Due to the fact that recess are using a whole lot of of loose your substances to frish the urine filament. You yeah, none of all those done on my, on all those illegal activities. Ive been perpetrated by the hour to an hour for shaw who is not complaining that ill get go to that, which is no. Lets get to the issues. And id like to hear from rich i, weve had that is an environmental problem. Weve had that it could be dwindling resource in the seas. But one of the key ones fishermen are using obnoxious substances. The ddt, diana might live fishing and other things he did. It is a poisonous chemical that is even use in killing rodents. They also use dynamite with the blasts when they go to the sea to enable them gets the fish from they. But the fish im and if you speak with them the explained that well as a result of the industrial fleet, the cor something cycle. And you see the cycle business. It is the illegal trash shipment of fish. I see. And that the fishermen feel that it is the one that is causing a lot of how walk to them. And that is why the up reach of the wall. So they use some of these substances. All right, now let me come back to you because 1st of all, youve been accused of being a practitioner of all of these Illegal Fishing method. Just we are practicing the legalities. But a point is that the competition we cannot 100 fishes almost under competition. And its a livelihood mater, people must eat so as an officious do to just as a richer talked about this just due to the fact that vessels all sort of things are competing with them even within the initial a school system. And what us going to fish, let me let me hear from her just because because he was that he was on one of these industrial vessels. And you saw something interesting. You observed that these industrial vessels not necessarily practicing what is lawful using the wrong size nets and therefore catching fish that they shouldnt be catching m, they set out a form that to my where the obeys and then be a good day showed them right size. Next to them, as soon as they set off, then they used the unauthorized fishing nets. The fishies commission has a glazed observance in these vessels. It is the machine that pays them, and so if they are not lucky to observe, oh no, even go, youve had about one person who got miss him and the person is yet to be found. Yet an observer, if you go and you decide to do the right thing, you are frown upon by the authorities who have placed them. Okay, lets hear from the person from the commission. Now, number one, youre the ones who license these vessels and to be fair, the bulk of the funding that comes from that industry from industrial vessels is from licensing. On top of that, the observers allegedly come back and report things which are not taken up because of all these companies, we decided to pick observers as fish, fishes, the, our kids giving what i will, they will know what, what is all 1. 00 come to the porch, we expect them, then we will not be able to look at any illegal. Net at is enough for some of them that are the same people that are complaining, they just keep the net for them for free, and then to meet them at houses and then they send a note to them. But the issue is that the movie will not be able to be with each of the officials. Youre saying to me that you dont have eyes and ears, theyre same for the observers as youve just admitted to me and not always reliable. You dont really know whats going on and ill say, and i is always labrador challenges because that human institution, you just, all one of my friends, i think one of the place we saw it as part of the message. The best way to go is attach certain video cameras that will be able to get more of the views as high. Shes already speaking of technology, let me come to manual because what more can be done in terms of technology to improve not just regulation, but implementation of these laws. We have not been able to coin each successful quarter till this is that can our, to, our, didnt really talk. Why dont you look at our quotes or something that weve done well regulate, right . Well, investing to, thats one of the options to resolve this problem, right . Nana we, we, we support our culture, but we, however, disagree with the use of fish to feet. Uh huh. In order to rely on fish mean for agriculture is all sustainable. Is against you and convention on foot is, is just a threat to act as an official, right, justice. The seat is important. The fisherman from other countries was going to coast and buying fish mill from kumasi was the same fish are being dumped because its juvenile fish. Theyre not even meant to be out of the ocean in the firstly. No company wont desolate bennett well. Just a good day to finance fish rate is fishin o evans and can go in. Its only we monitor the smart gate. Okay, just to thank you so much because now were getting into solutions monitoring of the gear that is being used like fish folk. So can you give me some solutions of what can be done to help re rejuvenates and revise the ocean start to produce our own food within the country and try to produce quality fingerless. Try to make it when alaska Good Opportunity for a commercial business is to take this in up on a loss q rate. It will help. So research and development as you said, a innovation and training. Let me hear from none of because were now looking for solutions before we close. The Key Stakeholders that came in the jonas should be involved in their participation in the decision making, in the governance and in the management of our resources. Fantastic rose letter from you. There should be alternative livelihood for officials methods unfortunate. Some of the fisher folk dont want to die vet from fission. Many people depend on fission business, and the want to also lead to this kind of official and also the novel fission. Richard, we started with you. Lets close with you. The official folks should do the pots they should add head to the regulations and them the laws that are governing would be expected to do so. Together did officially commission the ministry, theyll be able to protect the livelihood they see that they saw might depend on theyll be able to protect the all right, well thank you so much, oliver justice. I dont want to leave you out, but we only have 30 seconds. Okay. My problem is does love. Shes a man who clear dynamite. All these days are being blocked. So if all of you want to amuse shem good will. The birth dentist, where does all sizes come from . But are you jack over the yeah, before that will come out of it. Right. Justice has had a habit, at least in this debate of asking a simple question with what could be a very powerful answer. And to you, i ask, what is the cost of the fish on your plate . Thank you for watching the i could view the passion in that debate. Great. One banking edith and all those who participated in that debate. I hope you but, and a lot like i did as you want to hear more about this, just go to our Youtube Channel and watch a longer version of that debate. Just dont forget to subscribe and commence. Now lets move away from stephen the fishing industry to protect the environment and meet a very determined young woman from lowie introducing gloria my g guy come over to who has dedicated her life to the fight against plastic pollution. I dont know about you, but in my life, plastic is literally everywhere from stuff i buy in the shops, 2 packages that i owed online. Now in malawi, gloria has been pushing for your ban on Single Use Plastics. Best take a look. If you think cleaning up is boring, you havent been to me allowing every 2nd friday of the month, the country hope national, clean up day. Environmental activists gloria my g. G. Camacho had organized a clean up event in a home town of land tire. Its always a good conversation starter when you try to try to just engage to see why they think its also been a really good way to connect it, going to show them and let them know its going to take a lot of time for people to actually change how they see things and how they do things, but its quite willing to see them come out and thats part of the gloria once residence, to take control of their neighborhoods and keep them clean. Some areas dont have any state organized, Waste Collection service. And if they do pick up times irregular in many areas, the trash even ends up in the drainage system according to deal with the plastic waste. Gloria joint forces with a local company. They clean the bottles than shred and melt them. And from this they produce bricks. And tiles this thing is 60 percent sand. It is 20 percent then of plastic and 10 percent bit thicker plastic. And then you get this which is stronger than concrete. The company just moved to a new production facility, so theyve only made a small amount of break so far. Theyre only slightly more expensive than normal break in the long run. They heard to cash in on the Cities Construction 1000000000. Plant ice population is growing. And so is the Construction Industry if it was up to gloria, they wouldnt be a single bit of plastic on the streets. The 30 rolled works for the center for environmental policy and advocacy. The years theyve been fighting the Plastic Industry pushing the government and the courts to implement a ban on Single Use Plastics that included a lot of lobbying and protests to drive that went home. We got a bit more aggressive with their, with the might because, you know, dialogue is a good method, but sometimes i think you really need to show that. Listen, were here and you will hear us and you will give us attention that we require. And sometimes there look interface can be a bit slow for her tireless campaigning work, gloria has received international recognition. Her Organization Also helped merge malawi 1st, National Waste management plan, even below his government is grateful for the activists work and determination. It has to be that pressure for things to happen for movement to happen. Theres been issues in cause for a long time that of nothing has happened to them. But on this one was made ahead with because People Civil Society and people like how we can very hard to make sure that this is done. And now glory is still focusing on grassroots work back on the streets. She and her colleagues are helping educate residence on the single use. Plastic bad gloria hopes her efforts will create a Brighter Future for her country. One person at a time. We all need a gloria who push for what is right for her fight against plastic use. She received this yes. For studios goldman, environmental price, well deserved or had medication. And if youre watching this, let us know what you are doing to reduce your use of plastic. Now we started the shoe at the west coast on its head to the east coast precisely to kenyas mombasa. If youve never been there, no worries, because we are meeting the talent at single akila who will take us around her hometown. Lets go. Ah, i like you my info with. 2 my 50 mom but i really cared mom by and you get to know my mombasa is kenyas oldest and 2nd largest city historically it was a gateway to east africa at destination for c, ferris from europe, asia and the arab. Well, there result, a cultural melton port and home to swahili, caught up a kilos raised in this bustling town and music echoes. The coastal boom will flavor south as songs ex low mutton of a. I realize the i posting at the edge of so my life funny. Oh boy lake or so you can thing. So let us like hold your hand so you can go find that. Yeah, for there. So i just continued with when akilah is not working on time music, she loves to explore her home. Told her 1st destination is the heart of mombasa, the eccentric old town known for its narrow streets and the 16th century portuguese built fort right now im here and the old town. One of the most visited places here in mombasa because of the fort jesus. Waitress mills, india 1593 by the portuguese as their military being whoever control of the fort what i was to put these british audio robs road, mombasa today its a you mescal, well heritage site but mombasa is free most will more than just its money made in this town, but its always heavy with a scent of spices. And i think through them by the local akila most where to get the best ingredients. From close to q men and cinema. You can find everything here. The spices that you see here are mainly booked by the arabs and the europeans and the indian. And we have adapted to the cultural quizzes because it makes our food taste really good and have that beautiful flavor in it. The best place is to relax in mombasa, i it speeches here you can bury your feet in the sun and watch the waves school by all. If youre feeling adventurous like akila you can try something new. Ah, well i asked the sunsets mombasa shows us once again why can yes coastal cup top is the best pleased to unwind with much more info me. Theres no flavor in encourage you guys to come in and explore more down. I such a beautiful place. Thanks for kayla for showing us a roundabout bossa. I love ive been there, but thanks to you, i am encouraged to visit soon and ive how we wrap this edition off the show. Tell us what you think about all the topics we covered. 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