what's the latest how the biden team is trying to take advantage to reach them? >> yeah, i think what we're going to see biden, the campaign do is really talk specifically to these voters and constantly remind them of why it is imperative that they vote for his campaign. they're going to try to paint trump as a criminal, right? they're going to try to paint him as extreme. i think we're seeing biden right now while he's abroad he's really talking about how the trump administration would be a threat to democracy. i think all of these things are going to be central to the biden campaign and president joe biden. he's going to paint himself as i am not trump, i am the same, you know, candidate so you should get behind me. >> a lastly, christian, give us an update on trump's vp surge. he certainly seems to be enjoying the drama. give us an update as to where things stand.

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