survived, somehow. that was a little surprising. the resilience of the country, and the faith that people have in our ideals, and liberty and democracy, equality. and, of course, we all have different ideas about what that should translate into, in terms of legislation. but people really do believe in those basic principles. and the argument over it is very american. that's who we are, we argue over these values and how to translate them, how to apply them. that is what it means to be an american. as long as we can have those arguments peacefully, civilly, then we have got a democracy. >> but a lot of people can't. a lot of people are deep in a defeated grievance mode after speaking to all of these people, after this trip, when you look at this country, when you close your eyes, are you optimistic? >> i am optimistic and i will give you an example. i did a ride along on the mexican border with a sheriff's office in arizona. we talked about, here is a good

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