Fire secretary of state Rex Tillerson . Who reportedly privately referred to the president as a moron. Over the weekend the president suggested tillersons job was safe. We disagree on a couple of things. Types i would like him to be a little bit tougher, but other than that, we have a very good relationship. And in las vegas, investigators are still trying to determine Stephen Paddocks motive for killing 58 people and wounding close to 500. We will preview what they told cbs newss 60 minutes of his meticulous planning. The distance, the elevation he was on, the dropoff of what his bullet was going to be, so he would know where to shoot. Dickerson lawmakers in washington call for a new gun control americans after the attack. We will talk with the National Rifle Association Wayne lapierre and long time advocate for stricter gun laws, senator Dianne Feinstein. And from College Football please join us now in a moment of silence to recognize the 58 souls we have lost. Dickerson to saturday night live. Well, i wont back down. Dickerson the nation honors the victims of the rampage. We will have our own words of tribute. All that and plenty of political analysis ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation. We want to begin this morning with Mark Strassmann who is in biloxi, mississippi, mark, nate was a hurricane when it hit the gulf coast but has now been downgraded to a tropical storm. How bad is the initial damage and is the worst over . Good morning, john, well this is the call after the storm was nate, nate came astore with its 85 Miles Per Hour winds in the dead of night as predicted, the major worry was storm surge up to 11 feet was forecast, and flooding into the citys casinos, that was one issue. The good news is that nobody was reported hurt or killed but in four states, 100,000 people have lost power. John, this was such a fastmoving storm that the cleanup here in biloxi has already begun. Dickerson so, mark, where is the is the storm headed next . Alabama, mississippi, georgia, in fact, john, much of the deep south is going to have a very soggy sunday. Dickerson Mark Strassmann for us in biloxi, thanks, mark. We turn now to the deadly mass shooting in las vegas. Senator Dianne Feinstein joins us from san francisco. Senator, you are supporting a bill that would ban these bump fire stocks. Do you have any republican supervisosupport for that bill. We have republican interest. I have nobody lined up. We have 38 cosponsored and all democratic. We had individuals that have indicated an interest and particularly for a hearing. Dickerson the nra put out a statement on thursday suggesting they would support looking into regulations that would keep these bump fire stocks from being sold. What did you make of that position . Well, i thought that is a step forward. And it is appreciated. Regulations respect going to do it. With he need a law. It cant be changed by another president. Right now we are seeing one president change actions of a president that came before him, and that would happen in this area, and i hope that americans will step up and say, enough is enough. Congress do something. What do you make of the increased sales of bump fire stock in the passing of the legislation . I dont 0 know what to make of it. What in event said, this is a welltodo man. He wasnt mentally ill. He wasnt a criminal. He wasnt a juvenile, he wasnt a gang banker and, gang banger and he because 50 wells, bump stocks, breakthrough two windows in his hotel suite and take aim at 10s of thousands, well, i guess, over 1,000 people at a concert. And this was such a crosssection of america that it really struck at every one of us that this could happen to you. And we want to stop it. Dickerson could there have been any law passed that would have stopped him . No. He passed background checks, registering for handguns and other weapons on multiple occasions. Dickerson one of the things that has been a part of this debate is some people right after this massacre called for more gun regulations and said something must be done, blamed the nra and what gun rights advocates heard is they heard that call for something to be done and what they heard in that is people essentially saying we want to ban semiautomatic weapons. Well, that is just plain wrong. This is written in keen english. You can take a look at it. I will send a copy of it. It is a twopage bill. I will send a copy of it to anyone who calls our office. And you can look at it yourself. It does not take anyones gun. Dickerson on the other side those who would like to restrict guns in america who hear a bill targetedas you have described it, nearly that this idea that bump fire stocks and say, the only way to stop this kind of situation in america is to ban these kind of semiautomatic weapons and weapons that can fire with fluidity and what do you say to those people . I agree with them to a great extent. What i dont, a because as you know i did the assault weapons legislation in 1993, which was the law of the land for ten years. So i believe i mean, i have watched this thing from the texas bell tower to today in schools and businesses and workplaces. No one appears to be safe anywhere. Dickerson let me ask, get your thoughts on another piece of legislation, the nra as mentioned in response to this, the shooting they have talked about passing the concealed carry reciprocity which essentially allows someone who has a conceal carry per in it in one state to carry it throughout other states like a drivers license would work, what is your opinion of that bill in the senate . My opinion of that bill is terrible. We want every american to feel comfortable packing a concealed weapon . Around the country . I represent 40 million californians, and i can say without hesitation californians do not want concealed carry. Dickerson if they say, though, this is a right protected be at this Second Amendment of the coons constitution, why is it california who gets to deny people the exercise of that right . Well, i dont believe it is protected by the constitution. To conceal it without a permit. Dickerson well in this case they would say if you had a permit in one state then that permit would be honored by the other states again like the way a license would be for driving. I am saying that the state i represent would not want any part of that, nor should any american. You just make the situation worse. You let somebody with a weapon who may do you harm get chose to you. Why would you want that . Dickerson let me switch here to another topic for you, which is the Senate Intelligence Committee Work you have been doing, chairman burr of that Committee Says the issue of collusion with the russian and the Trump Campaign is an open, is that because there is more disclosures that suggest it is a possibility or just because nothing has been found yet and it is an open question because there is no proof that it has happened . I think the latter. It is an open question, because there is no proof yet that has happened, and i think that proof will likely come with mr. Muellers investigation. He has got the ability to use the grand jury. He has got the ability to use the power of subpoena. Without question and he has got the ability to do a criminal investigation. And that is what is going on and i think that is where the information will come. What happens in a political body, and i am finding this as the Ranking Member on the judiciary committee, everything has to be negotiated. With the party in power. And it is very difficult to do an investigation under those circumstances. Dickerson final question, senator. The president is thinking about decertifying the Iranian Nuclear deal, which means he would essentially kick it over the congress and say, congress, you can sanction iran again or add new sanctions which would break the deal if congress did nothing, the deal would essentially remain intact. What do you think the appetite is in congress for more sanctions on iran . Well, i will tell you this, john. Yesterday or the day before yesterday now, in the Senate Judiciary committee, we had a very complete intelligence briefing on iran. There is no question but that iran has complied with the structures of the, strictures of the deal and when either ieaa found something or anybody else found something it was quickly remedied. If there was a glitch. So they have cooperated. I think 100 percent. The greatest ramification from this would be to really create a crisis for north korea, because it would five north korea, give north korea reason to believe, well, nothing the republicans do can you trust. When you have the united kingdom, france, germany, russia, china, and the United States, all agreeing to support something and then the United States goes through an election, a new president pulls us out, what does that say . Dickerson all right, senator feinstein thanks so much for being with us. Thanks, john. Dickerson joining us now . The executive havent and ceo of the National Rifle association, Wayne Lapierre, welcome. Thank you, john. Senator feinstein wants legislation to ban bump fire stocks, what is the nra position on that . , you know, can i say first, this has been a tragic week and we had nra members out there in the middle of that tragedy, we had nra families, we had families wounded out there. It just has been horrible. But the people that are trying to politicize this tragedy i would say this. To there are monsters like this monster out there every day. There are menaces out there every day. People want to be able to protect themselves. Thats why they support this freedom. All of the elites that have been speaking out this past week, they all want to protect themselves. If they all protect themselves with armed security. I mean, they criticize the nra, i i dont you want to talk about irresponsible use of firearms . The number one person teaching irresponsible use of firearms is all of these elites employer, the hollywood, Television Gaming industry, we spend millions teaching responsible use of firearms, they make billions every single day, john, teaching irresponsible use of firearms. They are so hypocritical it is unbelievable. Dickerson but is it really an elite position for a person to think if there is evil in the world, perhaps there should be something that is makes a little harder for the evil person to get their hand on something that can fire bulls with stump rapid at this and then bump fire stocks which make it available even faster that is not elite that is somebody trying to figure out how to get less people dead. I do think this if we could have legislated morality we would have done it a long time ago, as we said parks irs would not have happened, they outlawed automatic guns, brussels, san per far to f San Bernadino, california has every gun law under th the sun, but on bump stocks let me say this, the fact is that the Obama Administration a couple of years ago legalized the device, their atf, they fuzzed the line between semiautomatics and fully aunts, and if we are able to fuzz that line all semiautomatics are at risk. I have been arguing with Dianne Feinstein for years and she has been trying to ban semiautos, saying a semiauto, it is not an assault weapon like you say, Dianne Feinstein and it is not a machine gun. If you fuzz the line, they are all at risk and we are not going to let that happen. Dickerson well, lets not news the line. She says this specific piece of legislation just bans bump fire stocks. So does the nra support that or no. It ising to convert a semiautomatic to a fully automatic, atf needs to do its job, they need to look at this and do its job. Dickerson her argument is they cant rule on this, it is out of their purview, it has to be done in legislation, so is the nra position it can be done through legislation or opposing it or what . We think atf ought to do its job, look at this and draw a bright line. Dickerson if i am a republican and i am a fan of the nra do i want to say no or yes to legislation that does this . I think you want to tell atf to do its job, it is an enter preif the issue and they need to get the job done, but not let Dianne Feinstein which is what she wants to do, turn this all into some Christmas Tree on the hill where she brings all of her antigun circus she has been trying to do for years into this. Dickerson well, here is the problem people have with the nra is they hear you say that and basically they say, well, mr. Lapierre is trying to do is tell any gun owner that any measure to regulate guns of any kind is really an effort to take their guns away, therefore they should be fearful, that you are basically trying to scare them. We have. Reporter . We have all kinds of gun laws on the books we dont enforce anyone of them. Enforce federal gun laws in chicago if you want to do something there. A felon touches a gun, five years in prison, criminal members, ten to 20. I mean, Dianne Feinstein universal checks she has been talking about the last week there is not a gang member in chicago that is going, hey, i am going to get you but first i have to go through Dianne Feinsteins background check. It is nonsense. Dickerson stepping back does the nra, is the nra position that you are okay with the current restrictions against fully automatic . We have supported the existing law in fully automatic firearms. And what we dont want is we dont want the line to be fuzzed, because if you fuzz the line, you are putting every semiautomatic firearms for years, and i corrected Diana Feinstein over and over and over when she says assault weapons are fully automatic guns i said they are not but if somebody fuzz it is line you are putting every semiautomatic firearm at risk. Dickerson to be fair to Dianne Feinstein she didnt fuzz the line in the conversation we had, she was actually perhaps because over the years you have come on the winning end of these arguments said this only deals with this one specific bump fire stock. So in this case, the line is not being fuzzed. Well, the fact is, the bump stock does fuzz the line, though, and thats why atf needs to do its job but we really need to get back if we are going to do something, lets do something meaningful, i mean outrage they are trying to stir against the nra they ought to be stirring against the Mental Health system which is completely collapsed all of the Police Officers know it, they are back on the streets, we dump it on the Police Officers, we ought to enforce federal gun laws and do something about our criminal Justice System which is camp and release, places like dc are Second Chance cities, well the Second Chance is taken out against the good guys. Dickerson have you talked to President Trump about any of this . You know, i have not, i think some people have talked to the administration but we have let them know where we stand. But it comes down to at 2 00 a. M. In the middle of the night there is not a Government Authority on the planet that substitutes for your right to own a firearm, people want to be able to protect themselves when they cross a state line. Thats why we are fighting torres process at this. It is about the good guys protecting themselves. Dickerson let me ask you about reciprocity, federalism suggest it is state should make their laws, 32 states have said they dont want reciprocity, why should the federal government come in and tell the states what to do. 42 states now have good carry laws and the fact is, i dont think those states have a problem with their folks protecting them sceferls when they cross a state line. I mean, the honest people, nobody should be forced to face evil with empty hands. And the fact is, we dont want the honest people crossing a state line, somebody who ought to be in jail inflicting evil on them and then the honest person going, oh, no, not me. Thats their life words. Dickerson people from the other side see in and they say, why are garb is it so easy to get very lethal gheps is that just the price of freedom in your view . Criminals could care less. You know, i mean, accessibility is about accessibility for the good guys. Thats what the Second Amendment is all about. And as i said all along the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Dickerson but in this case nobody is a good guy, if they pulled out their weapon they were afraid they would get shot. In las vegas the first thing i heard people say when they sheltered in place is somebody said, hey do you want a gun . I mean, does anybody have a gun . Dickerson would that have helped in las vegas . Finally good guys with guns got there, i mean the guy killed himself first but thank god there were good guys with guns on the way. I mean, Dianne Feinstein wants this utopian World Without guns. She said if i could go door to door and pick them up i would but the fact is, in that utopian world, every time bad happens, evil happens, it is food guys with guns that stop it. Dickerson we are out of town. Thanks so much. Thanks, john. Thanks for having me. Dickerson and we will be back in a minute. On on thes section at this minutes the las vegas Police Officers who stormed stephen Paddocks Hotel rooms speak in depth for first time with correspondent Bill Whitaker and reveal what they found. I have been noticed, a note on the nightstand near his shooting platform, i could see on it had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the dropoff of what his bullet was going to be for those for the crowd, so he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there. What what were the numbers . He had gun calculations or yeah. He had written he must have done the calculations Oregon Online or something to figure it out of what his altitude was going to be, on how high up he was, how far out the crowd was going to be, and what, at that distance, what his drop of this bullet was going to be. Dickerson we are joined now by a former Homeland Security advisor to george w. Bush and cbs News National security analyst, Fran Townsend and former fbi profile easy, profiler, maryellen otoole. You heard about the calculations Stephen Paddock took. What does that have to say to you about his planning and what does it tell you about it . Two things he wanted the note to be found. He is very meticulous in the planning, and to carry that down to recording the exact distances between him and the ground, between him and the targets, i think it really is very telling about how detailed he was. Fran, at the end of last year, dhs and fbi did a threat assessment and they talked about shooters and they talk about the fact they were soft target it is ability to hit civilians and one thing they listed in the catalog here was the ability to inflict significant casualties with weapons that do not require special access or training. They mentioned the shooting in San Bernadino and orlando. How much is this a part of a security problem . This is a tremendous problem and the 0 problem Dianne Feinstein is talking about, it does not go far enough, you need to prohibit the sale and us. We are not talk act tbt single greatest factor that is in reality, which is these high capacity ammunition magazines. That is what allows you to fire many bullets before reloading. And 0 literally the empirical evidence is those are the single greatest factor, when you use that kind of a weapon, it increases lethal at this 300 percent. And so in states where they ban these high capacity magazines, they reduce the likelihood of a mass shooting by 63 percent, and so if we really want to have an impact what you need to do is stop the high the access to these high capacity ammunition magazines. Dickerson we have about 40 seconds left. What does it tell you as a profiler that somebody who purchases a lot of guns over a period of time or buys this much ammunition, what does that tell you . Well, it tells me that there is a real pass nation with weapons, especially if it covers a broad array of weapons. And if you compound that with someone who also has a fascination with violence and who may benefit certain personality types which we saw in the crime scene that is a very lethal combination. Dickerson all right. We are going to have to hold it right there and be back with more of this conversation and my thoughts on hope after tragedy. Stay with us. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. 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Firefighters steve keys was shot in the chest and wounded while performing cpr on another victim. Jack beat on the died shielding his wife of 23 years on their anniversary. Some of these people dedicated their lives to helping others all the time. In the military or as First Responders or as volunteers. Others simply had the human instinct, tragedy called it out but it was there before. We are surrounded by people who cultivate self lessness and generosity every day and we can all honor the sense of common humanity we feel in the wake of this tragedy by kindling a similar spirit ourselves, in our daily lives. After a tragedy we light candles to those who have died but we can also carry a light into the world as well. As a tribute to those who no longer can. Longer can. We will be back in a moment. Can we push the offer online . Brian, i just had a quick question. Brian . Brian. Legacy technology can handcuff any company. But yes is here. Youre saying the new app will go live monday . yeah. With help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. With the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. Dickerson you can keep up with the news of the week by subscribing to the face the nation diary podcast, find us on apple podcasts your favorite podcast platform. We will be right back with a lot more face the nation. Stay with us. Dickerson face the nation, we continue our conversation with former Homeland Security advisor to george w. Bush and cbs News National security analyst, Fran Townsend, and former fbi profiler, maryellen otoole, fran i want to start with you, we were talking about the availability of semiautomatic weapons. As a terrorist threat, there have been al qaeda operatives or terrorists who pointed out the accessibility. Thats right. Adam gadan an american board al qaeda member 0 released a video calling on al qaeda in 2011 for al qaeda members and like minded terrorists in the United States to take advantage of u. S. , the accessibility to guns in the United States. Frankly, i think authorities have been surprised, myself included that we have not seen more of this. But i would point out, just this week, authorities announced a 2012016 plot in new york city we taking guns and shooting inside the new york city subway system was an aspects of that plot. So, you know, it is not like al qaeda, isis and the terrorists dont watch what happens in the United States. And the fact that a las vegas was not terrorist related doesnt mean terrorists arent watching, the method of operation and considering it for their own plans. Dickerson so they can go to school on, this essentially . Absolutely. Dickerson mary allen, let me ask you about the motive, the fact there is not one yet identified. Is that very curious to you . It is very curious, but we may have to look tia little bit differently and what i mean by that is, there may not be an external trigger, because it is so complicated and because it is so sensational, extraordinary, this it may have been self triggered by him years ago, somebody who did not want to be ordinary, somebody who had an interest in violence and collected guns, this was a plan that he had in the works for years, and he made the decision of when he would act it out. So we may be looking for the wrong thing. It may not have been externally triggered. And that makes it harder to find out. Dickerson if you were doing, this what would you look for . I mean, i would be looking for, i would go into interviews with other people exploring his personality and not specifically looking for an external trigger like was it the hotel . Was it the Music Industry . I would be exploring in detail his personality and looking to see whether or not if this really is someone who has psychopathic traits that would explain a lot as well which is not a mental illness, it is a personality disorder, we, it is a very lethal combination of an individual here and i think unfortunately the general public really does misunderstand violence and who is capable of it. Dickerson fran, going forward, big veb, big venue events, what can change a to protect them . Lets remember, our current understanding is people as they entered the venue, the 22,000 at the concert they looked at the bags, it was not as though there was no security at the perimeter but whe when you are talking abt someone who planned to do it from outside the perimeter it becomes much more difficult. I think what you will see in the United States, hotels and complexes are going to look at screening bags, why could he get all of these guns and weapons up there a lot of weight and ammunition at the mandalay bay there is a last Security Guard before you go up to the elevator, maybe you put screening there. It is a big complex. This is a very complicated for large hotel complexes but complexes in las vegas immediately following like the wynn did institute screening. Is it your view hotels will actually make this a new part of their operating procedure . I think people are going to look at that and i think it is far for likely, frankly, what we ought to do is look at the actual root causes to problem which is these high capacity ammunition magazines and deal with it at that level as opposed to imposing the problem on the hotels and their guests. Dickerson all right. Mary allen quickly what would you be asking . I would be asking her to just open, openended questions to tell me about his personality, tell me what it was like when you traveled with him, tell me what it was like when the two of you were alone at home. Just walk me through the dinner and not not have her screen anything she tells me. I will screen it. You just tell me what life was like with him and just get her into a narrative. Dickerson all right. Thanks so much, we appreciate thanks so much, we appreciate your time. We will be right back. People and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. As long as they have someone to believe in them. Citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. And the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. We backed the Marshall Plan that helped europe regain its strength. And pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime. For over two centuries weve supported dreams like these. And the people and companies behind them. So why should that matter to you . 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Well, it looks like that, although maybe Dianne Feinstein should take a little credit she proposed to ban these bump fire stocks in 2012, and in 2013, with proposals that were went nowhere in congress, perhaps these devices could have been taken off the market beforehand. Although that probably would not have stopped the shooting itself a, it may have limited some of the damage. Dickerson lets step back, we are focused as we have to be on the specifics of this event and on the details of now this possible piece of legislation. What questions arent we asking . What is the larger context here we should be thinking about as we think about these issues . Well, i think what we should be thinking about a is a little less about Mass Shootings, they get all of the attention with regards to the gun violence problem, but constitute only a small frac shun of the casualties every year. You know, gun violence takes 33,000 lives, about 100,000 gunshot victims every year. There is mostly as a result of suicide and criminal misuse of guns, far short of Mass Shootings, Mass Shootings are a problem that are very difficult to solve but we can make some headway lowering the daily death toll from ordinary gun violence. Dickerson in trying to do that and addressing either mass shoot ticks on the daily toll you talk about, the clash between rights heats up quickly. Is there a smarter way to think about it . I mean, people get frustrated both be at this rush to legislation and on the other side the fact that there is no legislation that passes. 0 give us your sense from history how this can be addressed in a way that might be a little more effective. Well, one thing we need to recognize first and foremost is that the Second Amendment is not what is preventing us from having good and effective gun control laws. The Second Amendment has been a part of our constitution and our heritage for a long time and does protect an individuals right to have guns for personal protection. However, the courts have always held that gun control laws short of disarmament are constitutionally permissible and indeed the Supreme Court only read the Second Amendment to provide an individual rights northtively in 2008, clear we had this gun problem in 2007 beforehand, so the answer is not repealing the Second Amendment as some have called for, i dont think that is the right way to think about it. Historically we always had the right to bear arms but always also had gun control, we have lost that sense of balance believing we need to have either gun control or gun rights but cant have them both. In the case in which they found an individual round, Anthony Scalia is often quoted in the case that there are limits. Is this really from the courts given that politics on in is so frozen, is this really something that the Supreme Court needs to weigh in on or that the courts need to weigh in on to reach this balance we are talking about . Well, the courts wont reach the balance unless we go so, and why i say that, because the courts cant propose new gun control laws and they are not going to issue some kind of remedial order mandating congress ban bump stocks, congress has to take that initiative itself. And, and i feel many people are disempowered in the gun debate today that going is going to change but i do think it is a matter of elect tore politics that the nra is a very, very strong fighting force because there is a lot of single issue pro gun voters that support the nra candidates when they endorse them in primary and general elections. Gun control streaks who are frustrated probably need to focus a little bit more on mobilization, getting themselves more politically forcefu forcefo they can combat the nra and the single issue pro gun voters. Dickerson let me get your ruling on the question of concealed carry reciprocity. I heard the term used, what is the legal read of this and the federal legislation that is being proposed in the senate . Well, there are two different kinds of National Reciprocity legislation and try to keep them separate, the nra is proposing a law that would allow say a utah resident to come to california on tourism, for vacation or for business and carry their gun in accordance with that permit but also versions of reciprocity that are, have been proposed in congress that would allow california resident to get a permit in utah online without ever having gone to utah and then carrying the gun in california. That would completely undermine the selfdetermination and local control over conceal carry that states and cities have traditionally used, so it depends on which the version of reciprocity we are really talking about. Dickerson which has a better shot legally, do you think . Well, i think actually legally it is much stronger for the nra to propose a law that allows a utah resident to come to california, congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. I dont think there would be a significant Second Amendment problem with that. It is a little bit more khanning to say that as a matter of interstate Commerce Congress can mandate that california residents be able to get a permit somewhere else and carry those guns at home 0. Dickerson adam, thanks so much for being with us and we will be right back. After 8 years of chris christie, is kim guadagno the change new jersey really needs . Guadagno is christies handpicked successor. Says shes proud to be part of the christie administration. Guadagno was Chris Christies right hand as our schools came under attack, Critical Services were underfunded, and our Credit Rating was downgraded. 11 times. From the bridge to the beach, weve seen it all, and weve had enough. Kim guadagno isnt the change we need. Dickerson we turn now to our politics panel, susan page is the Washington Bureau chief at usa today. Are a measure is the Senior Editor of the National Review and a columnist for bloomberg view. We are also joined by New York Times op ed columnist and the editor in chief of the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, jeffy, jeffrey i will start with you. This legislation we are going to go narrow before we broaden out, the legislation for a bump fire stock in the senate, what do you think about the prospects are. Senator feinstein and Wayne Lapierre seems to not want it to go through congress. I will start out, i will go wide and note that the pattern generally speaking after massacres, gun massacres in america is to loosen gun laws, not to tighten gun restrictions. Given the dysfunctional senate, given everything else, given what we know about the way this has been polling, i dont have much hope for i wouldnt have much hope if i were a supporter of that. I mean the broader point is that it again probably is mainly in the realm of a symbolic gesture toward a solution. We always talk about these issues way at the margins. I admire Fran Townsends position on large ammo clips, but that is not the root cause of our problem here. These technical issues which are also surmountable by garage, home garage mechanics, these are not going to these dont deal with what we are talking about. Dickerson ramesh, part of matt politically happened is, as they pointed out at 538 there is no better predictor of your position, not gender, not race, than if you own a gun, in terms of whether you are a republican or democrat that this has become cultural beyond the specifics of, you know, bump fire stocks. Well, it is a polarizing issue but it is also an issue on which all of the intense intensity is on one side of the debate that is there are a lot more people who vote solely on the basis of guns who are pro gun and skeptical of regulation than are on the other side. And one of the reasons you have that lack of intensity on the side of people who want the regulations is that so few of the regulations would plausibly make any difference. So, you know, as jeff was suggesting, the types of things that we can think about doing, like an assault weapons ban wont make much of a difference in the things that, and the things that might make a difference would be really extreme things like gun confiscation that would present tremendous practical problems and tha that leaves us at an impasse. Dickerson what do you think of the Democratic Party having to keep this intensity up . And i also piggyback a question that according to gallup one in four democrats support concealed carry laws, do you think it is a litmus methods, test in the Democratic Party . In other words if you support conceal and carry does that runout route out of the dependent party. The democrats have quite a few litmus tests and i would say there are others that become before this particular litmus test. One thing about the aftermath of this terrible and unprecedented shooting is that we are not at all shocked that it is not likely that anything will happen, that our government is likely to do nothing in response to this, to pass no additional gun laws and that they will have the same old tired debate we had before and one reason is just plain politics that if you have six Democratic Senators running for reelection in states that trump carried that are red states, they are not going to be enthusiastic about taking on this issue. So you end up just saying, you know, it only has been a days but does anyone expect anything to happen. Dickerson david, what do you make of the argument that gun control, many people put forward is after the San Bernadino shooting candidate donald trump called for a muslim ban and suggested profiling muslims so the question is we can impinge upon rights for the purposes of safety, but yet gun control activists felt when they talked about trying to limit the rights of the Second Amendment for the purposes of safety, they were criticized for political sizing things, how give me your sense of those arguments. I think one of the things, i am as a pessimistic about gun control legislation passing as everyone here for optimist for the sake of gun rights advocates but i do think this debate shifted a little bit and i think we saw in the quakes of las vegas that we immediately went to the policy conversation, and in the past there were gun control advocates who actually did hold back a little bit, and listen to this dont politicize the tragedy and i think they now think these Mass Shootings are happening often enough they can immediately go to say we can do things. That doesnt mean things are going to happen but i do actually think, this, this particular episode has moved the debate ever so slightly to the left. Where you see the nra having to admit some openness to regulation and immediately see the policy discussion. Dickerson all right. More to come. Pivot from that policy discussion to some other news of the week. Susan, what is the what is your sense of what is happening with the secretary of state and his boss . I dont think this marriage can be saved. I think calling your boss a moron is probably a firing offense in any workplace, and especially when your boss is as sensitive to criticism as donald trump. Dickerson he called me a moron regularly. Cbs is much more forgiving. And i mean, it is not as though Rex Tillerson has defend in other words any other sector among the Foreign Policy specialists, i mean he has been completely undercut, this is a remarkable thing. It was a oneweek ago almost to this moment that donald trump tweeted that it was ridiculous foRex Tillerson to engage in diplomacy with north korea, cutting the legs off, tillerson and we find out even prior to that, referred to him as a moron, in what world does this man continue to be secretary of state . He was cutting his legs off unless you believe they were playing bad cop, good cop except that nobody believes that. Dickerson explain a that to the people, though. In other words, it is the mix and madman theory, kissinger goes and i would like to make a deal with you but my boss is crazy but the whole madman theory of dip city is predicated 0 testimony deal that the madman is not actually mad. If tillerson and trump had a functional relationship you could see one playing a toucher role and one playing a softer role, but here, all of the reporting is suggesting they just dont like each other and so it is not a coordinated diplomatic gambit to get the chinese to do x for or the North Koreans to go y. It is. And the the negotiating with a madman in north korea, i think it makes it quite dang a rouse. Ramesh you wrote or you said that i believe tillerson is doomed to failure once he couldnt kick his own deputy, what did you mean by that . He reportedly wanted to have elliott abe programs being be the secretary of state and that was vetoed by the white house because abrams had been critical or had been perceived to be highly critical of trump after he won the indiana primary and i think if you cant staff your own team, you cant pick your highest level people, your effectiveness is just limited, it is we have had many secretaries of state who had difficult relationships with president s, we had secretaries of state who dont enjoy the confidence of the state department staff. This is a secretary of state who has got both problems. Am that leaves him as susan is suggesting without a constituency, and it is not just a question of can he keep on with this job it is also a question of what good is he doing in this job . And it is particularly worrisome right now because of what we see in the rest of the word. I mean we need the state department on north korea and iran precisely because it is a moment where diplomacy has the opportunity to cool some of these deeply worrisome global hotspots. Dicickerson . Thats right. And senator corker this we can, david, said that secretary of tillerson, secretary mattis and chief of staff kelly are all that separate our country from chaos. Right. So which is pretty extraordinary thing for a chairman of the Senate Foreign relations to say. And he got an offer to walk it back and declined to walk it back and we see tweets this morning from the president that blasting corker who likes to remind ourselves is the republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Dickerson ramesh, blasting him saying, this from the president , senator bob corker begged me to endorse him for reelection in tennessee, i said no, and he dropped out. Do you want to antagonize your Senate Foreign Relations Committee with five and a half months to go in job . Well that will certainly teach corkers ability to raise his fitness for offer. It is no another strategic play by the president. I think it is a pure frustration move that he saw senator corker saying critical things and he does what he does, which is lash back regardless of whether it serves any particular interest. Dickerson jeffrey, two things that i would like to get your view on, the president said that there is just one thing to do in north korea, presumably meaning military. How do you read that and then secondarily there is also reports that the president would decertify iran in terms of the Nuclear Agreement with iran. Right. So these are both linked these are inextricably linked, one would think that when you are in a Nuclear Confrontation with a potential madman, you wouldnt want to open up a whole other can of worms with another potential nuclear power, another rogue state around. You would like to sequence this. Furthermore if you decertify the iran deal right now, you are suggesting to not only our allies but rogue states and north korea, in particular, that america will not hold to Nuclear Agreements it is very, very slim chance obviously to get to a Nuclear Agreement with north korea, this brings it down to zero. So we are at a very strange moment and we are also at a moment when the president appears to be bluffing, and the rule of american president , the american presidency in these areas is you dont bluff, whenever you bluff it usually turns out to be a disaster for the United States. If he is not bluffing and saying we are going to washing war with north korea soon that is another whole issue but to me, the biggest single question is not what any of us think about that kind of statement, it is how are the North Koreans interpreting this . We dont understand how they think and we dont understand what they understand and dont understand about our system. This is, again, one of this is a case in which twitter, an errant tweet can lead to a nuclear exchange. Dickerson let me switch to domestic efforts. The president called Chuck Schumer, tried to, or tweeted about anyway he is trying to make a deal with Chuck Schumer or healthcare, Chuck Schumer the democratic leader in the senate said if it is repeal and replace it wont happen. What is up to on healthcare . I find it worry system, it is highly technical but what an executive order is going to let somebody to buy into something called Association Health plans and those would be relatively unregulated. So they could basically offer bare bones insurance that wouldnt cover things like giving birth that wouldnt cover certain illnesses so what you would have is Healthy People would buy that kind of insurance, driving up the price of insurance for all of the sick people who remain. It is what andy slavitt who used to run medicare say is synthetic repeal it is a step to try to undermine the Health Insurance market in this back door way through executive ordered. And i find it quite worrisome. Dickerson rather the idea is repeal it is just repeal . And no replace . Is that the a, is that the way you see this . Well, i think the Obama Administration handed a lot of tools to the Trump Administration in this regard, because they did things like hand out all of these hardship exemptions, for example, to the individual mandate. That president can now be relied on by the President Trump to hand out more such exemptions and neuter the individual mandate so there is a range of the executive action the Trump Administration can do to undermine obamacare and force the domes the table, i am a sure that is one of the things they are thinking about when they, when they go to these actions. Dickerson finally susan on a democratic question, feinstein gave a lot of New York Times the blockbuster a pattern of sexual abuse from. Does this put democrats in a spot how much money he has given to the parties and something democratic officials have 0 have to do to get out of that spot . I think it does. I think that if you are going to criticize President Trump for his remarks in the access Hollywood Tape and taken money from Harvey Weinstein you should give it to a charity or give it back to him or get it it out of your campaign koffers and you have seen sales the democrats doing this, this is a political problem but a cultural shift jerks seen that in politics, we have seen it in business jerks seen it in the news media, that behavior that has gone on for decades idecades is now unaccepd women are increasingly willing to speak up about it. Dickerson all right. Thats the last word. 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It is week five of the nfl season, don bell along sat pat gallen, the eagles are three and one, top of the standing in the n nfc, taking on two and two cardinals, were at the catapult put part of the season, hello, pleasant surprise. Did you see this coming three and one at this point . No, i didnt. I a think i agree with you. Here we, are cowboys behind them, drivers seat in the nfc east. Cant compin