Transcripts For KQEH Charlie Rose 20170908

The unfathomable. Getting getting to a place that seemed like you could never get to, that you would never sort of, that thing i always, always was taught, when i went to church or went to timp el because i was raised sort of if both ways, that Narrow Passage way. You know, that, that passage that is so narrow you dont know if you will ever get through it, but show you get into what you could say is the promise land in one way or another. And that is what jeff has done with his life and that is what the movie is about. Rose we conclude with sheryl crow. Her new album is called be myself. I done know if i ever gone in to make a record where i felt like i couldnt write it fast enough. I would Start Playing and verses would come out in full chunks. And that, in 25 or 30 years of writing has never been the norm. But there is a lot going on, you know. And what a great opportunity to be an artist. And be able to try to give voice to what so many people around me my age were discussing. And theres liberation in not writing for 13 year olds. Rose the president s deal with democrats, Jake Gyllenhaal and sheryl crow next. Funding for charlie rose is provided by the following bank of america, life better connected. And by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin tonight with politics. In a rare moment of bipartisanship President Trump struck a deal with Democratic Congressional leaders on wednesday. They agreed to increase the debt ceiling and provide federal aid for victims of Hurricane Harvey. The deal keeps the government funded until december. Of the deal the president said this afternoon i think we will have a different relationship than weve been watching over the last number of years. Joining me now from washington damian paletta, he is a White House Reporter for the Washington Post, margaret talev, a senior White House Correspondent for bloomberg and political analyst for cnn and with me in new york dan senor former of advise for paul ryan and mitt romney. Im pleased to have them here to talk about this. Damian, tell me what happened. Well, you foa, there was a huge meeting for the president. He had a really rough seven or eight months and now he goes into september where there are a lot of chips stacked against him. He had to reach a deal to findz the government, avoid a shutdown, get money for the recovery from Hurricane Harvey and show convince lawmakers to extend the debt ceilingment and this is a debt ceiling that he repeatedly before he was president said should not be raised. So he goes into this meeting t cutting a deal with nancyks pelosi and Chuck Schumer. And not only do they agree to extend the debt sealing too early december and fund the government until then, but he makes a gentlemans agreement with Chuck Schumer to consider forever getting rid of the debt ceiling votes that have kind of plagued Congress Since the 1990s. Essentially it would remove these requirements every year or two that congress agree to raise its debt ceiling, the borrowing limit. This was something that the president and a lot of republicans said needs to be there in order to prevent the government from spending too much money. And here he is talking to Chuck Schumer about potentially getting rid of the debt ceiling forever. Rose margaret, what would you add . I mean, i would just say that i think were seeing President Trump test his ability to govern as a political, i dont know if political independent is the right word but certainly not as an establishment republican. And this might have been a gesture of bipartisanship, it might have been a real elbow to the two republicans who he has maybe among the most frus freight frustrated with, Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan. A test of the wills, maybe a testing of the waters for internal republicans to see if either of them can be toppled. There is a lot more to unpack and i think it will take at least until december maybe into next spring to get a better sense of what is really going on. There you go, there is a sense that this growing fengs between the president and the Republican Leadership. Yeah, i mean people, you know, one thing we knew from the election which is President Trump, or then candidate trump ran against both parties. We tend to think of him as a republican but he was for repeal og bamacare but he was completely against republican plans to reform medicare. He talked tough about, you know, extreme vetting of muslims and going after muslim terrorists but was very critical of republican Foreign Policy over the last couple of decades. So there was this sort of third way message to his campaign. One could think that is how he was going to govern. Or what i think this reflects by is not a real independent third way governing strategy, its situational governing. It is in the moment. It is like i cut a deal with this one, trying to get work with the republicans to get Health Reform passed. I will cut a deal with the republicans. It is not clear what he is getting beyond a few good news cycles am i do not think this helps President Trump in the long run and i certainly dont think, because he didnt g3t anything for it. And certainly it is very damaging to elected republican officials. In fact, what did the republican officials want him to do . They wanted him to extend, sorry, they wanted to force the democrats, use the leverage they had with the democrats which they had, to vote for an extension of the debt sealing that went passed the next election. So went passed november of 2018. Instead by doing the shortterm debt ceiling extension means on the on the eve of the mid term elections when republicans are fighting for their lives, well go thraw all of this again. And democrats, they are already talking, they are giddy. One democratic official i spoke to today started talking about we will get all sorts of funding, daca related funding. Provisions to enshrine certain parts of obamacare. Well use all our leverage on the eve of the election because the republicans will be terrified of the government shutting down clogs to the mid terms. The closer you get to the mid terms and you have a showdown the worse it is for the republicans. Which is why Republican Leaders wanted to get passed floaf of 2018. What do they think about daca and what happened there . Same thing. I mean the president , you know, Jeff Sessions gave this strong statement about daca and then the president seemed to be walking it back a little bit fment congress cant deal with this, i will. And then apparently today speaker, nancy pelosi called the president and said you can put out a tweet saying nobody is going to get hurt who is affected by daca in the next six months which he put out a tweet to be responsive to her even though the Justice Department memo completely contradicts that. That is what i mean, it doesnt seem like grand strategy here. This is all situational shorttermism. Rose damian, you can imagine the president of the United States after all has gone between the two of them is calling up, sending, is respond fog a call from the former speaker of the house nancy pelosi . You foa, i was alarmed by that. I couldnt believe it happened. But it you watch what happened over the pation few weeks, he has been playing political foot see with democrats. Remember he went to missouri, gave the speech about tax reform. And he kind of pulled his punches on claire mcdisz kaskill there, Senate Democrat up for reelection saying he hopes he could work with her on tax reform. She put out a positive statement, then goes it north dakota gives a speech to tax reform and brings hide aye hidescamp the democrat there up on the stage says nice things for her, up for reelection. Senator manchen has had nice things to say about tax reform. Maybe there is a method to the madness or maybe he is just sort of careening from one imprussive impulse impulsive decision to the next. But if he wants a legacy vote, these tax cuts are his best chance. And by playing these games with democrats, by trying to bring some of them in, maybe he is opening himself up for a deal in a few months. Rose could that be possible, margaret . You know, i think what the president was doing is safe to say was trading a tactical game now for a strategic question mark later. And he is a tactical politician, just instinctively. Talking to republicans today who were trying to make lemonade out of the lemons that the president left for them yesterday, they say look, number one, the ability to pass this quickly is good for the congressional republicans. At least to get todays vote done, the spending bill pushed forward. And that the debt sealing is not necessarily going to be coupled with the spending bill if december. They can probably drag the debt sealing too next year. Is there a trade to be made, daca for some sort of border stuff, possibly. It just makes things more complicated down the line. I dont think that chuck and nancy as President Trump is calling them this week are kind of thinking. Rose his best friends. I dont think they are thinking theyve got it made or there is any trust here at all. But i think theyre thinking well, now weve got a wedge we didnt have a few days ago, they have been so flum oxed by their own leadership vacuums and kind of the deficit of trying to govern as a pure minority with republicans in charge of both chambers, theyve been waiting for republicans to mess up to find a window. And now they think they found some kind kind of a window. But the republicans i talked to today say they think it is not as bad as it looked yesterday. Maybe that is just spin. It is definitely more complicated. And the real question is, is this the prelewd to a fight against the existing Leadership Structure from a president who ran against the establishment or is it just him trying to get from one week to the next, literally a clear path between here and that tax vote without repercussions to the stock market. I agree with margaret that look, i done think this jeopardizes tax reform. I think republicans can still get tax reform passed by early next year. An if they do, this may, that may sort of eclipse all the angst around this deal and the republicans could head into mid terms in a strong position. Having passed tax reform on the one hand. On the other hand, if we have another showdown, in the new year, or the end of this year over the debt ceiling and conservatives, the Freedom Caucus and other factions put all sorts of demands that are untenable for the Republican Leadership to, you know, work out with the democratic leadership and theres just a messy sort of fiscal clifflike situation, it will hurt republican chances in the mid terms. If republicans come back to congress in january of 2019 2019 in a minority position, it is bad news for donald trump because as much as the president is now buddy buddy with nancy and chuck, i tell you that nancy and chuck with spp power and nancy and chuck with the majority in the house looking to breathe down the throat of this administration is going to have a lot more capacity to do that, then they do now. Rose i just reasoned from interviewing steve bannon as you know forb a 60 minutes piece this weekend. And he told me, and this is, we knew a little bit about this. Conservative groups including the Freedom Caucus, leader of the Freedom Caucus, are beating a path to his door. And sitting and talking with him. Yeah. Rose how they can find some common front. Yeah. I, you know. Rose against the leadership. Against the leadership, yes. However, there was this reporting done in the Washington Post today about how people are talking about who could be a challenger to speaker ryan if there were to be a resolt. Revolt. And the two names that the post managed to come up with that they heard from conservative circles, probably some of the same people beating down the door of steve bannon were Rick Santorum and newt gingrich. Okay. Now these are two individuals who have not served in congress for over a decade. The idea that no names could really surface from inside the conference. Rose except those two. Yeah, lets say highly unlikely. A former senator and former speaker. Right, i do think people underestimate. Republican leadership has a lot of problems. But the good will and the close relations that speaker ryan has with most of the caucus which is much more personal an much closer than his pred des predecessor did gives him a lot of running room, a, and b the fact he never really hunted for this job. He never really wanted this job, he always said if im not your guy, im happy to go back or happy to just be chairman of the ways means committee. The fact he dnt really want it gives him a lot of running room. So i do think this, were in a challenging environment, your veal the sort of revoltnnon will brewing. And i think this deal that they reached yesterday is problematic. But i dont think it results in some sort of coup. Because i dont think there is anyone to really step in. Rose ight now who is more likely to win the house in 2018 . I think republicans are more likely to win. But theyre going to probably lose seats so they have a 24 seat majority now. The majority will probably be, you know, more narrow. Now things, could you get a waive election and a lot could change. Well see what happens with the Mueller Investigation if there are recommendations from that before the election. Well see what happepens, things can change dramically but right now i say republicans hang on. Rose what is happening on tax reform, damian . Well, there will be a hering next week in the senate. Were hearing a lot of happy talk out of the white house and republican negotiators on this. I think they are making progress. You know, obviously theyre far apart. We heard speaker ryan say this morning that he wants to, he envisions a Corporate Tax rate in the mid 20s where President Trump has said he wants a Corporate Tax rate down to 15 . Right now its 35 . Thats a big tirches dimps. But i guess he could say President Trump is maybe trying to do a real estate deal and overshooting on his first offer so he can come back to a place where a lot of members can agree. There is a lot of tricky parts of tax reform. If you just cut tax rates which is where they seem to be heading, it creates a huge hole in the deficit and the debt. And its hard to find tax breaks that you can eliminate to pay for those because every tax break has some industry in washington that is going to, you know, zel usually protect. They really havent gotten to that part, they havent gotten to a way to claw back the trillions of dollars they are planning on kughtment but once they start to make some progress in that space and get some republicans, as we mentioned, the republicans might be disillusioned about what is happening here, but if they can go into the mid terms telling voters that they got a big tax cut, that could energize a lot of votes. Margaret, when you look at this president and how hes doing, here he is a man with Approval Rating in the 30see. At war with some of his republican colleagues. Conflict within his staff. A huge challenge from north korea. What do we expect in the fall . Look, this is not an easy situation t is a situation that he has managed to govern from so far because within that core base the sprort is still strong. And because republicans control both chambers of congress. So the president s playing with fire to the extent that if you really want a leadership fight within his own party, he, the only way it works for him is if he retains control of both chambers of congress. North korea is a very difficult situation, its a u. N. Finding situation to the extent that all of congress, both sides of the aisle just want to calm things down and move prudently. But you know, the president has got a lot of challenges overseas and at home. And hes trying to thread a really tricky need toll do that sort of blow up the establishment, change that he campaigned on without alienating that sort of magic mix of the people he needs to protect him politically. Thank you so much, margaret, thank you, damian. My pleasure. Good to see you. Good to be with you. Well be back in a moment. Stay with us. Rose Jake Gyllenhaal is here, the Academy Award nominated act certificate known for his range and versatility both in theater and film. His movies include Brokeback Mountain and night crawler. His new film is called stronger. It tells the true story of jeff bowman who lost both legs in the 2013 Boston Marathon bming. Here is a look at the trailer. Listen up, each young lady here is running the marathon for bringham and womens hospital. So give them a round. And donate to a good cause. Im going to be there at the finish line for you. Im going to make a big sign for you. He doesnt show up for anything. And then he shows up. There was an explosion and your legs, theyre gone, bro. Welcome home, is it good to be back . How are you what are you doing . Talking to you, what are you doing . Careful, careful. You dont try to make a hero out of me. I need to tell your family what is going on with you. I cant do this, i cant, i cant do it. This is the first time youre in this week and you had three appointments. You just have to show up. Show up, i shoaped up for you you remind me of my son. He died. Helping you made me feel like i had helped my son. And for that i am grateful. Youre grateful . You showed the world that you cant break us no matter what the hell they do. And the rockets red glare. There is a time in the hospital when i just wanted to give up. And well rise up. And now i just want to live. Well rise up. And i do it a thousand times again. I just wanted people to see how amazing. Im going to walk, im going to walk with you on sunday. Rose in addition to starring in the film gyllenhaal also produced it through his new company, nine stories productions. Hes a friend of this program and im always pleased to see him, welcome. Thank you, thank you for having me always. Rose tell me about how this came about. Oh, wow, its been a long circuitous journey. To me it first came to me as an actor. It was written, it was an adaptation of a book written by jeff bowman who i play in the movie. And he wrote a book very quickly after the event about his recovery. And it was being made into a script by a wonderful producer named Todd Leiberman and he gave it to me as an actor. And as these journeys go, the making of the movie was a difficult one and getting financing. And we joined forces. Mandeville whos todds company and my company which was newly formed at the time. And i brought it to the people who finance my company and the movie came into being. Rose what is it about . You know, right, i mean you know, i think that its about moving through the unfathomable, getting through to a place that seemed like you could never get to, that you would never, as sort of that thing i always, always taught and i went to church or i went to temple cuz i was raised sort of in both ways, that Narrow Passageway, you know. That, that, that passage that is so narrow you dont know if you will ever tbet through it. And show you get into what you could say is the promise land in one way or another. And thats what jeff has done with his life. And that is what the movie is about. How was he able to do it . I thi but his partner really aaron hurley who is in a lot of ways is the mother of his daughter, and one of the great loves of his life. And the two of them together, she was running in the marathon and he was there, they had broken up. And he was there to sort of try and get back together with her. So he made this sign, he was standing there. What we saw in the trailer. Yeah, he looks back and. Yeah, she was, she was in reality a bit farther away from the finish line but you know, she never finished the race that year. And when we were filming in boston at the time, we were filming during marathon again. And erin finished the marathon and jeff met her there for the firs time she finished the marathon and that was a beautiful moment. But st really her and him, the story of the two of them. Rose they are together now . They are not, but they have a daughter and they are raising a daughter. Rose so they were married and then divorced. Yes. But they have a beautiful daughter noria and you know, they they are with each other all the time. But you know, jeff has been, as he will say in his own words 13 months sober to this day. Rose 13 months. Sober. Hes been through a lot of things, jeff, a lot. You know, it was not just the event. You know, a lot of people see or hear about this story and they think about the event. We tend to move towards that. When in truth, its really everything that happens after that. That i think we tend to focus on the people who have done this horrific crime and the moment itself. And not very often do we stay with the people who are the survivors who get through it and jeffs story was, its incredible, his story. Rose when i saw it, you know what it reminded me of, it just made me think about this happened at the Boston Marathon and there were people like jeff there at that event. Yes. Rose had to recover. Yes. Rose we know some of those stories or the stories we dont foa. Yeah. Rose but american men and women in the armed services, in iraq, afghanistan, are facing this kind of thing all the time. All the time. Yes. Rose ongoing. Yes. Rose the longest war in one case. Yes. I think, i think also you know what i realized after this film, and i dont know if its necessarily, it is a larger group than even that, you know. What this inspires what this story seems to inspire is every single persons story of struggle, you know. And i think for particularly for this country now, the idea of being able to move through, you know, into a space that, of hope, you know. It is what jeff gives us. And i think all of those member and women in the military who have either served or have been injured or are getting through, i mean, there are constant inspiration in the same way. But i i think it is bigger than that. St all of us, every person has a story, a story of strugglement and jeff show gives them hope. Rose so its really, its not just recovering from losing your legs. It is a story struggle, whatever st. Yes. Rose whether it is an addiction or whether it is failure in life. Yes, i mean when this trailer came out, i went down this strange rabbit hole. Im very, i love this movie so much though. It came out and there are these funny things where people watch the trailer and they video tape themselves watching trailers now. Its like, you can look on youtube and you can go down the legitimate rabbit hole. And i went down it one night, and the stories that came from people watching at the end of this trailer, they werent just stories of people who have suffered sort of unspeakable things like jeff did, but people who said, you know, my mother suffered from ms. And when i answer just see the thing that says strength defines us, it makes me think, that is what we think every day. Or my father has parkinsons, or whatever it might be. You know, i think that is what jeff says. You know, if im okay, you can be okay too. Rose did you spend much time with him. Tons of time. You know, we spent pretty much six to eight months before we started shooting. And then when we started shooting, he was not as much there. I any that was an interesting process for all of us. We texted every day and talked on the phone but he didnt come to set as often. He came one day when we were shooting at td garden for a bruins game. And then but all the questions that i had asked him were asked before. And then we texted. And now were very good friends. We talk every day. Rose a technical question, how do you shoot a man without legs . That is another community, like, the irony of the community that in reality brought jeff through these things is in the fictional world. Its a community of people, you know, working together to make this look real. And we have in certain s we have holes in the floor. And we have amazing prosthetic makeup artists who created, who took molds of my legs. And then basically sin thetically removed the ends of them and i would wear a kind of biking shorts that they rested on top of. And then sometimes i would tuck my knees under a wheelchair an those would rest on the outside and wear green socks so they could remove them. Sometimes i was sitting in the wheelchair with my legs straight out with green socks on it talking there are so many different ways. Rose. And its a mixture of things in camera and also visual fek. Rose did you feel stronger because if you witnessed this mans experience. I will never be the same after making this movie. This movie has changed me in ways that i cant even really put into words. I there is not a moment when i feel what i would consider physical pain that i dont think about jeff. You know. And i think that their. Rose so he speaks to you at that moment . Every moment. I mean the stupid things, you know, like you stub your toe and you make a noise and you think come on man. You know. I mean those tiny little things. Rose reminded you you have no reason to complain. Not ever. And you know, i think im of the opinion that pain is relative. I really am. But jeff made me rethink that in a lot of ways. Rose is this Production Company thing something youre going to put in high gear. Oh yeah, were in high gear. We have a number of projects, lots of projects in development, movies and television, on stage. I have an inkrdable producing partner who is just a fierce woman who is an incredible partner and were full steam ahead. Rose have you ever made a movie with your sister . We did a little. She played a part in this movie done darko that i did. She played a part in it as a favor when we were young. And we have not worked together since then. Rose do you want to . I would love to. I would love to. Rose i mean shes pretty good by the way. Yeah, shes pretty good. I would actually love to be on stage with her. Rose that would be even better. Because i think it would mean we would be home if we did it in new york. And i know us. I know the organizisms we are and how we would love to bring our relationship, you know, nightly on to the stage, and work it out. Rose what is the relationship . Were brother and sister. Rose i know. But its complicated. Rose but are you competitive, are you so loving that. Well, weve been doing it for a long time. Rose being brother an sister. Not that long, that is a new venture but the acting part, weve been doing since we were born. No, i mean. Rose youre in the same game. Yeah. I think we have been competitive in the past. And i think maturity has brought us to a place where it seems absurd, like theres no, none of that really matters. And we know that. I think were at a place now, her having two children, you know, two beautiful daughters. And that our family is the most important thing to us. But i, you know, i think we have like any brother and sister, a deep, deep, deep love. I mean i will say, i had din we are her last night in the midst of her sort of press whirlwind for her show that shes doing. And i dont think ive had a better dinner in i would say maybe a decade than i had with my sister last night. Rose and why . Because i dont think that either of us well im not going to say im not afraid of the truth. But we we can talk honestly with eacher. We can tell each. Rose about each other. About the relationship. About your parents, about everything. About everything. And i think. Rose thats a great feeling. That is a really great feeling. It is an amazing feeling to have someone like that. Rose how do you feel about acting . I mean you know the question is beyond. Yeah. Rose i will tell you why. One of my favorite newspapers, the guardian. You said to them, people say how hard can acting be but the truth is the creation of our character, the understanding of a Human Behavior is a craft to be learned and worked and experimented with. And discovered. My favorite actors are like artists. And when you see their career, you see someone who is able to actually, physically draw a perfect figure. And then deconstruct it or not based on a foundation of skill or practice. Well, thats. Rose thats pretty damn good. Are you sure i said that. Rose you dont remember this . I tend to wax but i i have a very complicated relationship with it, because its pretend. Rose ah. So said once something i will never forget, he said we pretend so we can get closer to the truth. Which is just this profound contradiction. And i but i believe in the craft of what i do. As a very serious thing. And a lot of people think of it as a bit absurd. I also think its a bit absurd because its playoff playful and it has a real sense and opportunity for real play, about your imagination can can just be released into, you know, never ending choices. But i i really truly believe in a craft. And there are so many actors that i admire who have mastered the craft or are on their way to mastering the craft. An i believe its a lifelong journey. So how i feel about it, it changes all the time. Rose i mean i just am sitting here 25 years. Yeah. Rose and talk to almost. Oh my god. Rose almost everyone, you know, and its just, there are certain actors that you know have this sense of, you they dont talk about it as much, but you know, its that there is this deep appreciation of the craft of it all. Yes. Rose and in that appreciation, they may go off and want to direct and want to produce and want to do a lot of other things. But at the core, is the acting of it, you know. Certainly they want to do the other things because it gives them control. And they like to be able to craft and scrupt in an editing room. All those things that im sure you feel. But at the core, youre an actor. And thats what is there. Its funny you say that. I have never really probably truly thought of myself as one. Rose as an actor. Yeah. Ive always maybe being a younger sibling ive always thought of my sister as that, you know. And i think, i owe her a huge i owe her a lot of credit in my career. Because i dont think i would be acting if i hadnt watched her when i was six and she was ten and she was up on the stage, you know. But i, the one place i can tell you that i am pretty sure that i am probably an actor is when i get on stage. Thats the moment where i think im i am terrified but i am having too much fun for this not to be something i want to be my lifes work, you know. Rose what is the fun of it . Its a demand on your mind, its, i mean there are so many aspects of it i mean i just did a musical on broadway this past winter. And i found actually a lot more comfort singing and being, having an orchestra on stage with me every night than being alone on stage with an actor without any music. I felt you are never really alone when you have the orchestra with you up there. But i think the thrill of it is just this, the actors, i love, are people who take genuine risks. And who fail. Those are the ones i love. And i think being on stage, you feel that opportunity for failure and success every single night in a way you cant feel it anywhere else. And i think that thrill for me, along with the rehearsal process, the amount of st fun for me. Resentation is the you know. Are you alone, you get to do it alone before anyone gets to say anything about it. Rose it is the same thing preparing for an interview. People think, the whole process of bringing it together and crafterring it and fashioning it and thinking about it, you know, thats not work, so to speak. Thats the challenge. Its equally and perhaps more fun when you sit down and therefore will you see whether you can make something out of what you have imagined is possible, you know. Cuz its a two way street. You about i find when i speak to you, i find the same thing that you feel when youre working with somebody who is like a master at their craft. You, there is an exchange where you only make people better, right. So sometimes people probably cower in here. And not that there is not a part of me that feels that way too. But i think you feel an exchange of energy and the ideas start to bubble up. And you start to connect to that and connect to somewhere else. And that is a joy. That is the joy of it, is the exchange of feeling and ideas. And when are you doing it in a moment where you are not really quite sure, when other people are watching, there is no way of really cutting it together, i think the thrill there is unlike any other. I mean any other. And its where, i think, its where i want to be, you know. Most of the time i think thats kind of crazy, really . Rose great to have you here. So lovely to be here. Rose much success with this. Thank you so much. Rose s like an amazing man an amazing story. Well be right back. Stay with us. Rose sheryl crow is here, the ninetime grammy award winner has sold more than 35 million records over her 25 year career. Her hit songs include all i want to do, stoak up soak up the sun and my favorite mistake. Her latest album marks a return to the blend of pop rock that made her one of the most successful mainstream rockers of 90s. It is called be myself. Rolling stone calls the album her toughest and best in a decade. Heres ray look at the single, halfway there, featuring our good friend mr. Gary clark, jr. You pull up in your hummer and you park next to my. In a three piece i wear levis full of holes. I walk along the left side. With you you walk along the right. Were both trying to reach the same place. We might not get there on time. But you know whats there. I know whats best. Lets just agree to disagree. We all know the rest. Yeah. If you really can. Baby if you can. If you cant wont you meet me halfway. Baby if you can. If you really can. Baby if you dare. Wont you meet halfway there. Yeah. Rose do you know how long its been sinsz you were here at this table . 1997. Oh pie goodness. Ding. I cant believe that. And i remember actually telling you, this is my favorite, my favorite talk show. Rose thank you. I love it, you always keep it real and interesting. Rose there is a sense in terms of be myself here that this is a woman who has, as she looks forward is also looking back. Yeah, thats exactly right. In fact, many times on stage ive talked about every day is a winding road, which was out the same, 20, 23 years ago, was a younger person looking at the road ahead. And there is a lot of looking back at the road ive traveled on this record. Rose even to the extent of sort of listening to all the great songs that you have written to this point. Yeah, i went back and revisited some of it. Because i wanted to remember the spirit of some of the early stuff and how we got to that place that felt liberated. And i really feel like this record is a celebration of liberation from being in the world of competitive radio, commerciality. There is something great about being my age. Rose and something great, i agree with that. There are some things that arent great about being my age. Rose i agree with that too, very much. But there is something, you know, if you can appreciate it and in fact you have had the kind of life that allows you to enjoy it. Yeah, ive had some real low moments, and all those low moments in some ways have carved out the space for, the big joyful moments. And i think all that stuff was freely sort of documented on this record. Rose when Rolling Stone says the toughest and best in a decade, when they use the word toughest, what do you think they mean . I mean its hard to know. Somebody heard it and that was their interpretation. But i do think there is a toughness about it and the fact that it is a return to the way i used to make records which was just a couple of us in a room, some drum grooves and me onbase, and my worthy musical husband, for years cowriter, him on the guitar and just really getting to the heart of it. And you know, theres not a lot of dressing on this record. Its just very in quarter face. And we really, i think, tackled a lot of big things. Rose like what . You know, im raising two little boys. And in this period of our evolution as humans on this planet, there are so many things that are infiltrating our little peoples minds. And that are, i guess in some ways informing them about without they are. When you consider that the internet is just this dangerous place that you have to try to protect them from. And cell phones and social media are constantly telling them whats awesome and whats likable. And its just, its the wild west. And for me as an artist, i get to sit back and talk about what that is, to me, what that feels like as a parent, what it feels like as an american, particularly during this election, a lot of what happened in the election informed what is on the record. Our ability to. Rose lets talk about that. Well, halfway there which was the first song they put out, really addressed the loss of civility in our dialogue. And it really just begs the question, is there no way to agree to disagree. And it kind of started out as a, you know, im a citizen of nashville where there is this growing liberal community, that is now living along side a very well established conservative community. And yet there are certain things in nashville that we all come together and in agreement on. Those are like fundraising for charities and taking care of people who need help. There are just certain things that there are no parties. Its very nonpartisan. There are a lot of things that people disagree with in nashville but it hasnt reesm reached the kind of vitriolic dialogue that i saw in the Political Campaign become the norm. So thats, you know, thats really. Rose its what the country needs. I feel like it, i feel like it. So and im just one person, you know. I just get the opportunity to put a pin on a pad and roll tape, and sing it. Rose did you have a sense of urgency making this . I had a real sense of urgency. And a real sense of, i done know if i have ever gone in to make a record where i felt like i couldnt write it fast enough. Like i would Start Playing and verses would come out in full chunks. And that in 25 or 30 years of writing has never been the norm. But theres a lot going on. You know, and what a great opportunity to be an artist. And be able to try to give voice to what so many people around me my age were discussing. And theres liberation in not writing for 13 year olds. Rose how do you and jeff write . Well, the first song we wrote on this record was alone in the dark. And that really was the biproduct of him having a teenage boy and my having a preteenage boy and just discussing how difficult it is now with bullying and with cell phones and kids, kind of form lating their selfworth by what they read on texts from other kids. And this kind of loss of empathy that you can say anything you want and not have the immediate reaction. And the song kind of just says, you know, im okay with being in the dark as in not, you know, on social media. And a lot of it just began from conversations. Rrs just conversations. Just rfertions. Rose the two of you sitting. And just saying this is what is happening. Can you imagine as hard as it is to be a teenager greeing up with that added pressure. Rose you have a new album coming out with a lot of due ets. I do, countries christopherson, i have sog with johnny cash, the song that he recorded about three months before he passed. So his family has lovingly allowed me to take the demo of that and record our version of it. And then we have Keith Richards and don henley, one of my first employers, and stevie nicks. Rose do you go into a Recording Studio with their voice . It depended. You know, i called keith and said you have tho this song i always wanted to record, the worst, can we do testimony and is he like yeah, i came to new york and we hung out for a couple of days. And then with don, i emailed him and said you know, you have been a huge figure in my life. And would you do this, it would mean more to me than anything. Same with stevie there were certain people that i fell like made such a huge impression on my life. Rose you moved to nashville because of kids or because of career . I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer and my personal life had kind of fallen apart and my family, you know, was in nashville and near nashville. And i thought you know what, it is time to put down roots. And i did, and soon there after wyatt came along. And i just found that it was home. Rose how are you today . Im great. Im great. I have two just scrumptious boys and a Great Network of friends and its just, you know,. Rose had said somewhere that you are happy in the dark. Well, i do i love not having a relationship with my cell phone. Im one of the few people that i can say that has gone through the process of weaning myself off of it. I dont love having to use my personal life as the bipod bsh by product of promotion. I do do a little bit of it as far as social media is concerned, things that i am interested in. But i would prefer my kids have memories of me not, you know, always on my phone. Rose memories of you having conversations with them. Yeah. And i dont want to miss out. Rose and experiencing things with them. Yeah. Rose and seeing things for the first time in their life with them. I dont want to miss out. We were in florida and it was a full moon and it was 9 00. And we were out hunting crabs and i tbrabbed them and said look around, you got to remember this. You know, full moon, the ocean, so that is i dont want to miss it. Rose what would you change about your life today . I dont think i would really change anything. Rose pretty much got it where you want it . Well, i mean, obviously there are lots of things i would change as far as the environment is concerned. Rose im sure. But i, you know, i feel like im more awake than i have ever been, and im more connected to my roots than i have ever been. And so i dont know that i would spend the time to try to change anything. Rose would you change the Music Industry . You have called nashville the wild wild west. Well, i would love, i mean, there are many things i would love to change with regard to the Music Industry, and about art in general. But i would love to encourage our Young Artists who are coming up who have the massive fan bases that they have, to remember the power of their words and to remember that music still does hold the power to change molecules and that it is a rare opportunity too have so many people wanting you to express how they feel. And so theres a lot of opportunity there. To write about something, you know. Rose as you look back, i mean you called this also a grownup record. Yeah, you know, like i said, i really have felt like in the last ten years, that writing has been a thing of joy for me. And not connected to commerciality or radio at all. And what is happening at radio predominantly is geared towards the demographic of the 13 to the 26 year olds. And you know, its kind of liberating to not try to even write for that. Rose not have to chase it. Yeah. I think its things im loving and hating right now are probably me for people my age. Rose things that you are loving, things you want to talk about. Yeah, its different if i am raising kids and youre 20 and youre not at that point in your life, youre going to have different view points and youre going to write a different kind of thing so. Rose is one of these, of all the things youve written, what came closest to you . Where was. Oh my gsh, thats a really good question. I dont know about of all the things that ive written. Rose but what comes to mind. I could safely say that longway back on this record, i think has encapsulated my journey and where i am at now. And in a way that i think is encouraging to people who are still trying to figure it out. I am lucky. Rose because you survived or because you per vailed. Because i think i stuck it out. In the other great thing about, the journey that ive had, there is a story that we all tell ourselves about the way our life is supposed to look. There was a story for years i told myself about what was supposed to happen, you know, you get married, you have kids, all that sort of thing. And i really learned through my journey that the story you tell yourself about how things are supposed to be really limits your life. And just two words, thank you, can really manifest unbelievable things. Thank you for infinite possibility, the things i dont even know. And that has been really my mantra for. Rose did having kids affect career at all . Yeah, i mean in every way. Rose you didnt tour as much, or you didnt. Yeah, actually, you know, its interesting. My first little boy went on the road when he was three months old. And he has been to japan. His passport is incredible. And my seconded son came along, it was wyatt and levi, i got a call while i was on jimmy fallon. He took his first steps in the green room. I got a call about a baby that was born, will while i was at jimmy fallon. And. Rose they said we think. We had a baby, you were waiting for the baby to be born, the baby just happened. I get a call saying there is a little boy thats been born. Are you interested. And i said absolutely. And i found a little bit about him and two days later we went and picked him up. Rose and he was at that age, what time. Newborn. Rose so like two or three days. He was two or three days old. I took wyatt with me. He just had his third birthday so he basically got a little brother for his birthday. And then you know, he took his first steps in the green room of ellen degeneres. So i mean, you know, we havent had a totally conventional life. But we are really close knit family and you know, we have a pact, i never am gone longer than two nights, otherwise theyre with me. So i think the way that it changed the most is im really enjoying making records and recording in school hours, which is not very rock n roll. But i have loved making this record. We made it between 8 30 and you know, 5 30. Rose but are you, do you want to tour . We have been touring. You know, they have been on tour buses much of their life. And weve been out this year on the outlaw tour with willie nelson. Rose its great. It is unbelievable. Rose who else. Willie knellson, willies kids who are incredible as well, lucas nelson and the promise of the rheeo, jason isabelle, amazing. Marring ot price, van more i son is going to be on this weekend, bob dylan has been on some of it who is just at the height of his game. And it is just been a remarkable will remarkable summer. Rose so you show up, all of you are performing . Yeah, i mean its funny, its like a traveling circus. I was on willies bus the other nied and i said you can believe, youre still doing this tour. The other night. And you have had this tour going for years and years and i said youre still doing it. And theyre still kids out in your backstage parking lot playing and it is just incredible that he has kept this going. Hes really, you know, hes the architect, the teacher. Hes just incredible. Rose much success with this. Thank you very much. Rose sheryl crow, be myself, a sense of looking back and looking forward, and all the things that are good about what she has learned. And her whole sense of what it means to be alive today. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. For more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs. Org and charlie rose. Com. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org i, i, i. I want some attention. I want. I, i, i. Want competition. Put your phone away lets roller skate. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Youre watching pbs. Every single bite needed to be there are twinkies in there. Wow its like a great, big hug in the cold city. 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