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Evidence increased mailin voting. These elections will be fraudulent. Theyll be fixed. Theyll be rigged. Many republicans push back. Well cope with whatever the situation is and have the election on november 3rd as already scheduled. Why even mr. Trumps allies say this time hes going too far. Also while honoring john lewis, president obama takes on President Trump. George wallace may be gone, but we can witness our federal government sending agents to use tear gas and batons against peaceful demonstrators. And who will joe biden choose as his running mate . I am going to do everything i can to make sure that he gets elected and once elected make sure that hes a successful president. Ill talk to a rising contender. Congresswoman karen bass of california. Joining me for insight and analysis for nbc news chief Foreign Affairs correspondent andrea mitchell. Journalist and author Robert Draper and Heather Mcghee of color of change. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. This is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. So much for that new tone. This past week, President Trump retweeted a video of a doctor who said masks were unnecessary. Hydroxychloroquine is a cure for covid19 and diseases are caused by dreams of sex with demons. Meanwhile, the number of deaths from covid19 passed 150,000. Nine states set oneday records for covid cases while 11 set singleday records for deaths. Among those deaths was former republican president ial candidate herman cain. Economic output fell since records have been kept at an annualized right 32. 9 and thanks before benefits ran out on friday. President trump made the most unamerican and undemocratic of suggestions, proposing to delay the election, insisting again, without evidence that mailin voting will result in a fraudulent outcome. And remember all of this was just this past week. Mr. Trumps delay the election game from the terrible economic news, a president whose desperation makes him even more unpredictable. In short, a president who expects to lose. Ultimately mr. Trump increasingly looks like a man who looks like the more the virus is out of control, the more his presidency does, too. This is going to be the greatest election disaster in history. President trump casting doubt on the integrity of the november election which polls currently suggest he is losing. Do i want to see a day change, no, but i dont want to see the crooked election. This election will be the most rigged election in history . Renewing his attacks on mailin voting despite no evidence it leads to voter fraud and suggesting a delay which he has no Constitutional Authority to enact. This is not something the president can do. Republicans race to distance themselves. Never in the history of the country through wars, depressions and the civil war have we ever not had a federally scheduled election on time and well find a way to do that again this november 3rd. Never in the history of the elections have we not held an election and we should go forward in the election. Its the latest attempt for the president to sow seeds of doibt. With the coronavirus surging and death tolls up 30 in 30 states over the past two week, the cdc is projecting the u. S. Death toll could hit 182,000 in just three more weeks. And the president s testing czar is conceding a national lag in testing. Would it be possible for our nation to have results for all covid tests completed and returned within 48 and 72 hours. It is not a possible benchmark we can achieve today given the demand in the supply. It is absolutely a benchmark we can achieve moving forward. It is an issue if you cant get it within a 24 to 48hour period. In florida, which marked its fourth straight day of record deaths on friday, the president simply ignored the facts. I think were doing a fantastic job. Instead trying to create fear of a democratic precedence. If joe biden is elected president the chaos and bloodshed will spread to every community in our land. Some top trump advisors believe the president s playbook isnt working and are finding it hard to keep him on message. Earlier this week he retweeted this video featuring doctors insists masks dont work, but hydroxychloroquine does. You dont need mask. There is a cure. Theyre very respected doctors. There was a woman who was spekt spectacular. Hydroxychloroquine is want effective in the treatment of Coronavirus Vaccine or covid19. The president continues to reshare misinformation tweeting again on friday, if we had no testing or bad testing we would show very few cases. If you do more testing, you will see more cases, but the increases that were seeing are real increasing in cases as also reflected by increasing in hospitalization and increasing in deaths. And joining me now is the a ski assistant secretary of health, admiral brett giro, i r. Since the start of the pandemic. Ive had quite a few members of the task force on and ive asked where are we on testing and i want to play a sample of answers dating back through april. Take a listen. We will continue to partner to increase the supply to make sure they have the reagents and the test kits necessary to perform those tests. My job is to make sure people of america have enough of what they need going forward. So well get this virus under control. What were doing now is weve got to test entire communities and find all positive cases because this is a very different virus with this asymptomatic spreading and get every positive case and get those people isolated. That last comment was at the end of june. We are now at the beginning of august. We still seem to have the same testing issues and in this case, its the supply issues and all of that and the lag issue which you testified to on friday. Four months now. Are we ever going to be able to get this testing strategy right . So, thank you, and its good to be on again. I do want to put some things in perspective. Of course, weve increased our testing by 32,000 . Weve completed 80 of the tests within three days and 80 within five days. Of course, were continuing to improve that. By september well have 32 million point of care tests so we are improving that, but i do want to get the opportunity to put testing in context, and i think thats very important how we use it, how we rely on it and how we fix the outbreak right now by using testing selectively the way were doing it in all of the southern states. Im curious with this selective testing. Is this because we just dont have the capacity to do these quick for instance, the abbott tests, why is that not something the dpa could have been used for to make this available across the country faster, to speed up manufacturing . It seems as if weve let these private labs dictate the speed with which we get the equipment necessary to complete the tests. So thats really absolutely not true. We look for opportunities to use the dpa and other investments and when its possible to do that we do that. We make two large investments into swab production. Last week you saw an investigation into veritor by the Defense Department and quidel by the National Institutes of health and thats why in september well have 32 million point of care tests. It cant create something out of nothing. It can be used as an effective tool and thats the way were doing it. Let me talk about the testing and this has been misconstrued a lot. Obviously, we want to increase testing. Weve done that and ive told you how weve done that and testing is a part of the strategy. We dont test our way out of this and we do small policies with testing as an adjunct. Thats why states like arizona have gone from over 5,000 cases a day to in the hundreds of cases a day. Florida, south carolina, south carolina, louisiana, texas are all on a downward trajectory because theyve instituted small policies and you know where that is, wear a mask and avoid crowded indoor places and avoid crowds and if we do those things that will reduce the overall outbreak to levels that will go down significantly, and thats what were seeing across the south. Let me ask this, though. It does seem as though weve got two different challenges in front of us, right which is this latest outbreak. It seems like its too big to get our testing around. There are some that are advocating partial shutdowns in some of these worst communities. Is that something the task force is recommending in these sort of red zone states . So both for the red zone states and in the emerging yellow states we have really good data now both theoretical and data like arizona, texas and florida that if you do simple measures like avoid the indoor crowded places and a lot of times theyre indoor bars and you cant have a hundred people at your house either do less Indoor Dining because thats another place, wearing a mask is incredibly important, but we have to have 85 or 90 of individuals wearing a mask and avoiding crowds. That essentially givioes you th same outcome as a shutdown. Look at arizona. Look at florida, texas, louisiana. These measures are being implemented and that changes it and the key is and thats why were going to all of the states and were on local radio. We give specific instructions to every governor by county and what to do when those counties start tipping yellow, you have to institute these measures because the virus will keep doing what the virus does unless we make an affirmative change. It sounds like you made the case for a National Mask mandate. If we need to 85 to 90 compliance it sounds like a mask mandate is needed. Is that a recommendation thats been made by the task force to the president . Our Public Health recommendations are across the board particularly in red or yellow counties that you need to have mask wearing in a high degree. There is a debate whether a mandate does an affirmative thing or whether people will rebel against that, but it has to be voluntary by the American People, when its mandated by a city like in phoenix or certain state, but the Public Health message is if you have mask wearing you have to reduce the r below one just with these simple measures and we can stamp this outbreak out. If we dont do that and if we dont limit the indoor, crowded spaces the virus will continue to run, and if you dont mind, let me just make we are very concerned and this is a very serious point and deaths will continue to increase for the next few weeks because its lagging, but we have decreased the amount of infects over the last two weeks. The hospitalizations have gone down. Unfortunately, mortality lags by a couple of weeks. So these measures do work, but theyve got to be implemented rigorously. One thing that seems to be scatter shot is the issue of Contact Tracing. It may take us back to our testing conversation that we may go back to, and i dont want to get caught in that loop again, but it does look like the Contact Tracing, is this outbreak too big now for Contact Tracing to be effective especially since we dont have the Contact Tracing army . So theres no black or white answer here, but in the very early parts of an outbreak or in the very late waning parts are in selective times like in meat packing, contact krasing can be very effective. When you have a widespread, multifocal outbreak where many people are asymptomatic, testing and testing are of limited outfit with Public Health policy measures like mask wearing and closing indoor crowded spaces. Yes, Contact Tracing is important, but it is much less important right now than the Public Policy mitigation measures. Once the virus gets down to very low levels again, then testing and Contact Tracing become much more important. Where we are right now with the widespread, multifocal just like many other countries, the issue is mitigation steps and not the Contact Tracing. Look, i know youre not a political person, but the president continues to advocate for hydroxychloroquine. Is that a danger to Public Health . So from a Public Health standpoint, at first hydroxychloroquine looked very promising and there were not the definitive studies and there are five placebocontrolled trials. At this point in time we dont recommend that as a treatment and theres no evidence to show that it is. On the other hand, we have remdesivir and steroids which reduces mortality by 30 . We still dont know about immune plasma and a vaccine looks promising. Hydroxychloroquine, i cant recommend that. Are you concerned that because of this mixed messaging that its going to continue to sort of create this fog, if you will, about treatments and misuse of this drug . So hydroxychloroquine needs to be prescribed by a physician. There may be circumstances and i dont know where they are where a physician may prescribe it for an individual and most physicians and prescribers are evidence based and theyre not influenced by twitter or anything else and the evidence doesnt show that hydroxychloroquine is effective right now and it is effective both from a public standpoint and i told you the masks and the crowds and wash your hands and avoid indoor spaces and for treatments. We know if you get covid your chances of dying are incredibly less than they were in april because our Health Care Providers know how to treat it better and we have remdesivir and plasma and a vaccine on the horizon. Admiral giroir, i appreciate you coming on and sharing the perspective of the task force. Stay healthy and safe yourself. Appreciate that. Thank you. You got it. Joining me now is dr. Nahid bedalia from the Boston School of medicine and shes been an expert contributor to this program. Good to see you. Let me get you to react to the testing conversation that you heard from admiral giroir there, from your perspective, what should our testing strategy be right now . Chuck, thanks so much for having me. I will agree with admiral giroir that testing is part of a national Public Health Response Strategy to this coronavirus and pandemic. The trouble, though, is that theres so much disease activity in our community is that the just setting an absolute limit or number of tests that we need doesnt work because thats a moving target. We continue to need more tests as our outbreak grows bigger and the quickest kwa way to how we bigger with the level of activity that we have is in the u. S. Every time we test about 12 people, the 13th person may turn out to be positive. In uk, it takes them 235 people to find a positive person. In germany, its a little over 150 before they find a positive person, just telling you how much disease we have in this country and not only that, but we are about 4 of the World Population and we account for about 23 of the coronavirus cumulative coronavirus deaths so far in this pandemic. The trouble is that testing our testing strategy and Public Health strategy needs to sort of link with the lifestyle that we want to pursue in the middle of this pandemic. If we are looking to only test people who are sick, then we have to roll back reopenings and not, you know, create an environment in which asymptomatic cases will continue to track the disease and move it behind. If we need to Contact Trace we need to increase the number of tests and bring down the activity as you and the admiral talked about to be able to accomplish that. Heres what we want to do, we want to come back to some amount of normalcy. We need a test that comes back sooner than later. If you reopen schools and universities you need not only more tests, but you actually need tests that are closer to the consumer. Maybe rapid tests that people can do at multiple levels and may not be as accurate, but immediately give you a sense. The trouble is our aspirations of the type of lifestyle that we want to lead do not match with our current resources. Im curious, do you concur with the admiral that if we had 90 to 95 compliance on mask wearing nationwide wed get control of this virus . Absolutely. In conjunction with avoiding crowded indoor spaces and activity in the community we could bring this, you know, this pandemic under control. The other things that might help are these Rapid Diagnostics and we have some sort of big breakthrough in medical countermeasures or treatments that might decrease the mortality and that will go a long way in helping us control this pandemic before the vaccine is available. Dr. Bhedali,a, ill have to leave it there. It feels like were on a hamster wheel with this virus and it doesnt seem like anything will change until there is a vaccine. Is that fair to say at this point . Well, i think if we have more rapid tests as i mentioned and the countermeasures it will help, but were in an inflexion point. We are at a point where well look at this moment the way we look at memorial day where we have a decision in front of us whether or not we lock duown partially or completely with by all evidence so far means that will lead to more cases. I do think thats a decision we need to make more quickly than we are currently. Im going to leave it there. Dr. Bhedalia, thank you for your expertise for our viewers. Up next, joe biden seems to be ready to pick his running mate this week or next. Mate this week or next. Ill talk to a fastrising announcer reliability is everything. So, if your networks down, youre down. Verizon knows your customers need to reach you seamlessly. 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Welcome back. Its a quadrennial political parlor game guessing who might share the ticket with the partys president ial nominee. Joe biden has pledged to pick a woman and hes considered more than a dozen. Three names stand out right now as likely finalists. Senator Kamala Harris of california, former National Security adviser ambassador susan rice, and congresswoman karen bass of california. Bass is the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus and has been a leading voice on police reform. Shes also unknown nationally, but shes now seen as among as a finalist among finalist, if you will, in the socalled vp race and karen bass joins me now. Congresswoman bass, welcome back to meet the press. Thanks. Thanks for having me on, chuck. Let me ask this, i know nobody runs for the vice presidency and that people shy away from that, but let me ask you a question this way, why did you decide to go through this vetting process . Well, mainly because i am so concerned with where we are in our country right now. 154,000 dead americans from covid virus. Our country ripped apart because of race, the policing issues, the economic devastation that were facing, all of these issues is the reason why i submitted myself to a very interesting process. A trip down memory lane. Is there something about the post itself that is appealing to you if you did end up as Vice President of the United States . Well, you know, to me being a partner with somebody who i have deep respect for, with somebody with who i believe is authentic and genuine and has the capacity to have empathy and has tremendous experience and working alongside of him, aside from being considered is a tremendous honor, but all of that is the reason why i would want to go forward with this. Youve not been somebody who, at least we in political circles have known, with president ial ambitions. Exactly. Let me ask you this, why havent you considered running for president before and by agreeing to this, i know it doesnt many you want to run for president in the future. Right. But a lot of people certainly think you will. Exactly. You know what, chuck, in my life i have always been focused on the work and you can look through my past and its pretty clear i have not set out in my life to run for president. I have focused on doing the work in a lot of different ways. My focus has been trying to do everything i could to make our nation a more Perfect Union especially for those people who are the most marginal, those people who are often not included in our country. That is what i have done for almost 50 years of my life. What do you believe makes you prepared for the vice presidency on day one. Having served as speaker of the house in california. As you know, california is the worlds fifth largest economy, the largest state in the union. I led at a time when we went through the worst economic crisis since the great depression. I led in a very bipartisan manner. I worked with governor schwarzenegger and worked well with my republican colleagues. My background in health care. Ive been in the emergency room. Ive been in life and death situations. My experience in Foreign Policy and over the years what i am the most proud of is my ability to bring people together because i think that our country needs healing. I do believe that President Biden will be a healer in chief and we certainly need that now, and i have believed ive played that role, too. I have worked across racial lines. I have worked a kos political lines, and i have focused on really my goal which is to get work done on behalf of the American People which is why you find people like paul ryan or Kevin Mccarthy who have worked with me and worked with me well. Let me turn to this issue of cuba. A lot of people have turned to this issue as theyve dug in. You spent time there in the 70s as a young activist working with a group called seremos brigade building houses in cuba. You have rejected the idea that you have celebrated the castro regime. Right. Do you look back on that and think that you were a bit naive. As any 19yearold would be, sure. In my early 20s i went to cuba to help the cuban people to build houses, but over the last 20 years, chuck, i have been working one, i have always believed in bridging the divide between our two countries. Cuba is 90 miles away and for the last two ways we have built relations issues. Ive been recruiting those doctors to work in the inner city because they come in tuitionfree. The cubans also have two medicines, one for diabetes for which my mother died for and id like to have those tested in the United States. I know castro regime has been a brutal regime. I know theres no freedom of press and interest of association and when i went in my late teens and early 20s, you know, one of the things one of the reasons was to build relations with the americans that were there because there were over 100 young people that were there and all of us worked on different issues. Well, whats interesting is we had the ability to come home any protest against our own government, but the cuban people most certainly cannot do that, they couldnt do it then and they cant do it now. You sound a lot tougher on castro now than when you described him as commandante and jefe when he died and you said something i found interesting. You didnt quite realize how sensitive folks were in south florida about this still. No. Go ahead. So im just curious, that you thought, well californians wouldnt mind that description, but it might offend floridians. Forget that a minute. It still seemed as if you had a soft view of castro, if you will. Yeah. And let me explain, too, because i think the use of the term commandante and jefe in florida that was a term endearing that way. I was expressing condolences to the cuban people, to the people in cuba, not cubans around the world. I dont think thats a toxic expression in california, but let me just say, chuck, lesson learned. Wouldnt do that again. Talked immediately to my colleagues from florida and realized that that was something that just shouldnt have been said. You said you were expressing condolences to the cuban people. Theres many people who believe that the castro regime in general was keeping them confined, was stifling their freedom, that actually getting rid of castro might have been a celebration to some. Yeah. Maybe, and the island, i think its slightly different because you know they certainly didnt have the freedom and wouldnt have the freedom to celebrate that. So i think that it is just very important the way the Obama Administration had opened up relations with cuba, i think the best way to bring about change on the island is for us to have closer relations with the country that is 90 miles away. Just very quickly, im curious of your reaction. You were called communist karen yesterday by the Trump Campaign and senator marco rubio essentially implied there was nobody that was ever considered for the vice presidency that was seen as so much of a castro sympathizer. How do you react . Well, one, i dont want consider myself a castro sympathizer. Number two, my position on cuba is really no different than the position of the Obama Administration. As a matter of fact, i was honored to go to cuba with president obama. I went to cuba with secretary kerry when we raised the flag. So there really isnt anything different, and frankly, i believe the republicans have decided to brand the entire Democratic Party as socialist and communist. So im not surprised by rubios characterization of me or of a role i would play if i were on the ticket. Congresswoman karen bass, democrat from california, what do you think of all of the extra scrutiny youre getting, all of the extra attention. Good or bad . Well, you know what . I mean, its okay because really my focus is about what this country is going through. I dont want to see another 154,000 americans dead, and the reason for that is because the lack of leadership we have in the white house, we are 90plus days away from an election and i am looking forward it watching President Biden raise his hand and being sworn in. If im on the ticket or not, i will work just as hard to get him elected because i believe he has the leadership to get us out of this crisis that were in right now. Congresswoman karen bass, i appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us. Most importantly, stay safe and healthy. Thank you. You, too. You got it. 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Andrea, i want to start things off with this from alex burns in the New York Times essentially referring to the president as a heckler in his own administration. Let me read the quote up here if we can bring it up and you look here, far from a strongman, mr. Trump has lately become a heckler in his own party, playing no constructive role in the management of the coronavirus pandemic or an economic rescue plan in congress and complaining about the unfairness of it all. It seems like the president has given up on doing the job of being president. Exactly. Hes at the golf course for the second day in a row as the negotiators from his own administration are struggling with the hill in a divided republican senate. So its a fourway conversation now, but hes not part of it and so the benefits have run out. Hes not contributing. Hes not only heckling from the side, but hes creating misinformation, retweeting that viral video of suspicious doctor and her miracle cures which went around the world, if not, all over the United States. So theres no message in the campaign and they talk about after suspending getting back on the air, but he keeps undermining the message which he briefly tried to get back on track and you cant cure the economy unless you cure the pandemic and you cant cure the pandemic if the president is sending bad messages and masks and undermining will will the efforts and attacking dr. Fauci and all of the experts. Heather mcghee, its funny, andrea brings up this messaging issue. Let me play this clip of the president. He went to florida on friday. He didnt really talk about the crisis thats in florida right now with the virus, but instead he read the following remarks trying to scare folks about a joe biden presidency. Take a listen. In joe bidens america, you and your family will never be safe. Rioters and criminals will be totally protected, lawabiding citizens will be totally disarmed and American Families will be at the mercy of the violent leftwing mob that youve been watching on television. Theres both the reality and the picture hes painting and the reality dont match, but also what is he talking about there when hes not talking about the virus or the economic pain were in . This is his playbook, but when we know now is that its not working, and in fact, its backfiring. Because of his handfisted and the demonizing in the country with the black lives Matter Movement which seems to be the largest protest movement in american history, it looks like donald trump is on track to do something with white voters that hasnt been done since Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act and republicans started their racialized strategy which is actually lose the white vote. Joe biden is now leading with white voters and why is that . Its not in spite of the black lives Matter Movement. Its because of it. Because its enormously popular and its made a moral awakening in this country and hes losing the suburbs because of it. Hes losing the suburbs because hes trying to race bait and divide us at a time where youve got big suburban houses with lawn signs that say black lives matter. You know, robert, when going through your book and thinking about having you on this week and im glad you stuck with the iraq theme and you stuck with what youve been working on for years in covering the Bush Administration. Im old enough to remember when bush was the stubborn one when bush wasnt hearing what the public was hearing and compare the two in crisis here. What do you see versus what youve covered with iraq . Sure, chuck. I think that what the two have in common is that both president s were telling a story to the American Public that was not grounded in the facts. Back in 2002 and 2003 what president bush was saying that Saddam Hussein was dangerous just like the people when attacked us on 9 11 and because he is evil like the people who attacked us on 9 11 these evildoers will attack us and almost anything i said there didnt have any basis in fact and that, in a way, we are now in a kind of perverse evolution from that point in time to where we are now with a president who said weve got it under control. Certainly more under control than other countries do. Were the envy of the world, in fact. Now we need to reopen and the democrats dont want to reopen because they hate america. The crucial difference between these two is that back then president bush had the trust of the American People. This president has forfeited that trust. Yeah. Andrea, it is that trust issue where you and i think its leading a lot of people to wonder whats left . I think the fact that hes not involved on capitol hill, the fact that Senate Republicans have 20 different ideas of what to do, it seems as if elected respect r republicans are losing faith in President Trump. They certainly pushed back immediately on his suggestion about delaying the election, but i havent seen them stand up against him on a lot of these other issues. Yes, the payroll tax cut looks like they dont want it. He still does and maybe theyre narrowing their differences as we speak, we hope, on capitol hill, but i dont think that elected republicans are yet running away from him because theyre so embedded with him. They really have no choice except to home that he can undermine discredit and undermine the Election Results and push down and suppress the minority vote and thats the hope in many of these places. Heather, i know you wanted to jump in before we go. Thats exactly right. Mcconnell pushed back against this delay in the election, but hes doing nothing to protect the Postal Service which is what is actually going to sabotage from within from the mega donor is whats going to create delays and a risk and chaos in our election. They need to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. And you just bring up a point. As we erode institutions, the we are now going to erode trust in the delivery mechanisms of the United States mostal servpo service, too. Let me pause it here and well talk veep stakes when you come back. When we come back, well talk about the suburbs. It used to be the home office of the Republican Party and theyre changing and changing rapidly. Two suburban counties that could tell u its easy to get lost in the economic uncertatainty. The volalatility. The ambiguguity. Thisis moment cacalls for mom. And nortrthern trustst delivevers more. E. With specicialized expxpertis. Prproven stratategies rootod in datata and analalytics. 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Reporter chuck, these changing suburbs of maricopa count county could change the election, and now joe biden owns a 15point edge and just take this city of surprise as an example. Since 2000, the population has grown by more than 100,000 people. Voters here largely arent buying into the idea that quote, chaos and bloodshed is going to overtake their cities as donald trump has suggested. Take randy pinner, hes a 2016 trump voter. A Maintenance Worker at a School District down the road whose republican has dated back to ronald reagan. He said, i dont see that happening here. He is mulling voting for joe biden and all of this is reflective in our polling. Right now joe biden is leading among arizona suburb voters 62 to 37 . Chuck . Vaughn, a 25point swing in the suburbs in just that county would be astronomical for bidens chances. Now to kent county, michigan, home to grand rapids. Its seeing the same changes since 2000. The white, nonhispanic population in kent has declined seven points as the percentage of black and hispanic residents grows. My colleague dasha is in East Grand Rapids and dasha, what are you seeing there . Good morning. President trump won the state by less than 1 in the last election. Now hes campaigning on a law and order message in these suburbs, but the numbers and what im hearing from the community here suggest its not resonating. In fact, its turning some voters off completely. According to the latest fox news poll, biden leads trump 50 to 41 among suburban voters in michigan and one 2016 trump voter here that ive been following since last november, a mom of two named katie morris says trump is using scare tactics and shes offended by that messaging. She was still open for trump again and now she says that door is closed and shes going for biden. Chuck . Von hilliard and dasha burns, both on the ground in those two key suburban counties we will be tracking through november. 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Heather mcgheee, in 2018, and 2019, how come president obama doesnt speak out against President Trump. I noticed there wasnt any of those comments after those comments this week. Thats right. There was some pushback from the right wing, but i will say that president obama was doing what any patriot would do in the face of these unprecedented threat which is is to stato stand up f country and to stand up for democracy. What he did in that speech eulogizing what i think is a future founding father of a new america, john lewis, what he did in that speech was not say its about donald trump right now. It is about the fact that our democracy has been unrepresented and unfair for too long. He called for making election day a holiday, giving statehood to our citizens in puerto rico and washington, d. C. Republicans will have to recognize that if they cant compete on an even Playing Field of a truly Representative Democracy without cheating theyll have to either get off the field and find a new str strategy and thats what he was calling out and i think it was very important and powerful. Robert draper, i know you covered a guy that was also there eulogizing john lewis, george w. Bush. Yeah. The point that i wanted to make, chuck, was i think the most poignant articulation that was in the church it was three former president s, one republican as well as two democrats while the current president was not there. To me, more than anything else, that served to underscore yet again just how much of an outliar this president has become, how divisive a force he is and at moments like this when the nation is expected to put things aside to come together and by moments like this, i also include john mccains funeral, the president once again is a polarizing force. Andrea mitchell, i want to make a harder turn here in our remaining minutes because we may get the answer to the question of who does joe biden want as his running mate . Our reporting indicates that if there is a short, short list it is Kamala Harris, susan rice and karen bass. Youre all over this reporting as well. Right now i feel like everybody is focused on all their down sides. What are the upsides that the Biden Campaign is being looking at . There are a number of upsides and i should point out that all the women on this list are Better Qualified than some of the runningmates that have been chosen in recent years so lets pause at that. My sense is that history and where the country is now indicates that it is going to be a black woman. It just seems that this is an important choice, a choice that theyve obviously been focused on and thats why we seem to be focusing on these three women, as well. There is a lot of incoming right now and theres been a big jump on karen bass and this cuba thing is clearly going to be an issue. Florida is so important. I dont want to restress the importance of florida. Marco rubio, as you pointed out hitting on that. I was on those trips with secretary kerry, president obama, those were huge congressional delegations, pat leahy, amy klobuchar. That was not the piece that theyre really looking at, but when she said she was expressing condolences to the cuban people that is more recent than the 1970s and as you said that is going to be difficult in florida. The upsides. These are all to the definition of jim clyburn, these are passionate women. Susan rice knows him best. Has the most experience, maybe, read o ready on day one, but has never run for elected office. They would all be strong in debate. Kamala harris, the only one as he said some weeks ago who has run a president ial campaign, not well, but run a campaign and been in debates and very tough on him. I think it is true that that is forgiven because they want to see that against donald trump and karen bass, i should point out really does work well with republicans in california and in the congress. Right. Heather, very quickly, when jim clyburn told me on friday what he loves about joe biden is his compassion, but he needs a running mate that brings out the passion. He would not tell me who that was. Who do you think that is . You know, if you look at the polls, the most the people who are the least enthusiastic lean biden folks want, new poll from avalanche is elizabeth warren. She has young voters and sort of not so excited about joe biden. Thats who they want. Yeah. One quick point. Before we go. The biden people are not sure yeah. Im tight on time on this one. Go quickly, andrea. You got it. 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